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on a visit to the usa, and the publication also says that on tuesday trump praised russia's military experience in historical conflicts and ridiculed american aid to ukraine, in which he assured that if elected president he would quickly end the war started by moscow, but here is one a remark about historical conflicts, he mentioned napoleon and the second world war. now we will listen to what donald trump said. at a rally in georgia that the united states of america should withdraw from the war in ukraine. we will be stuck in this war if i i will not become president, i will do it, i will get out of it, we must get out of it. biden says we won't leave until we win, and what if the russians win, they know how to fight, as someone told me the other day.
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"they defeated hitler, they defeated napoleon, that's what they do, they fight, and it's unpleasant. mr. igor, trump, i understand, is already starting to play on putin's side, is n't it? trump, just chaotically trying to save his campaign. let's understand one very simple thing, first, sociology has been playing against him for the past two weeks, and if before it was, you know, a roller coaster, then trump, then harris, then trump, then harris, now harris has 5% and she holds it, and what's worse for trump, she holds it in swing states , which will actually determine the fate of the campaign, and i understand that trump’s headquarters have made such a decision that we will wait at least for zelensky to present this, well, this plan, biden will see it, harris will see it, and then trump just for himself will choose or he
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will pounce on this plan and, in essence, what he did beforehand and will begin to tell what it's a bad story and so on, only he will save from something there, or i won't even be surprised if he suddenly changes his position and still meets with zelensky, so that the last word would be his, most likely it will be the first option, he will start it to criticize, because he now has such a position, it's just criticism, it's not even criticism, it's criticism, and in this context there is nothing surprising here, because he held such a position also... before, and now it is clear that in there are certain panic moments here already and it is strange for him to say that if he loses, that is, he already allows for such a possibility, he will not run for office in four years, there and some other moments there, and again the repetition of this completely idiotic statement about the russians who won from napoleon and from hitler, from napoleon, the russian empire and the union of other empires won, because in the end napoleon was defeated first in the battle of nations at leipzig, and then at waterloo, and... there is nothing to comment about hitler at all,
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i think he offended a significant part americans who fought in north africa, in sicily, in italy, in normandy, then stormed berlin, so in this context, he is now just caught up in this so-called peace-making rhetoric, he is trying to spin this scarecrow about nuclear war, and here he has putin, i don't know directly and indirectly plays along with his latest so-called statements, and he hopes that it will bring him some result, so it's not even so much a story about playing on putin's side, but a story about him... just clinging to whatever an opportunity to somehow turn one's own campaign, to come back if it were more confident, well , and drag his side, probably even that part of the americans who are undecided, but he believes that the scaremongers about the war, the participation of the united states, and so on, should have an effect on them, well, probably positively, and they in this context, they support trump, although it is far from a fact that even biden’s support for the plan that he presented will be presented, or rather, president zelensky, well, will mean what he is talking about... trump about
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some kind of direct participation of the united states in vini and so on. today, vladimir putin held a meeting with the security council, and he announced that the russian doctrine of nuclear deterrence is expanding. now they have reworked it there and, accordingly, non-nuclear states that threaten a nuclear state, but with the participation of other states, can receive a response. and i understand that putin wants to warn in this situation. our western partners not to provide missiles and other weapons that can fly towards the territory of the russian federation, as far as putin's warnings to our western partners, to what extent can they be implemented by the current putin regime? listen, you know, it seems to me that these next threats are so inadequate, and about the fact that even the start of a large number.
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drones or some kind of missiles in the direction of russia immediately receives a nuclear strike in response, well , this is a concrete scarecrow, with which he is trying to really send a signal to the west, do not give ukraine permission to shoot weapons. on the territory of western weapons on the territory of the russian federation, but i think that it is no more than words, this is the expected absolute reaction, they were preparing for this, they dispersed this topic in advance, i will remind you that, on the one hand, you should not underestimate such threats, but after february 24, 2022, russia at the official level threatened more than 30 times nuclear strikes on ukraine, on the countries of the west, and they constantly... drew some new red lines there, a simple question, what is a mass drone attack? they write that they shoot down 100-120 ukrainian drones that fly towards them, this mass attack or not? and on the other hand, they act in exactly the same way, and they do it in an aggressive manner, attacking another state,
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so you know, this is an attempt to warn, but pay attention, these same changes have not yet been made, it will only be of the type will be discussed, it will be introduced, how it will be implemented in practice, well, it is difficult to say... especially since according to russian data, russian data, as of the 23rd year, only 14, and then they listed, 9% of russia's nuclear potential is in a condition where it can be used on in practice, this is the key moment, i really hope that the west will not react to such very banal threats, in turn, will remind putin of many things that he violated, which he actually transgressed, and remind who is in the wrong in this war. who actually started this aggressive war, so i think that it will be nothing more than words, and i hope that somehow they will reach the western elites, and they will not give this permission to ukraine, well, they may not give public permission , well, there will be no public permission, and then it will begin, well this is a game that russia has always lost, you draw red lines, and we actually
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cross them, well, this has already happened more than once with regard to the shelling of the crimean peninsula by military units located on the peninsula. of the russians, well, let's keep an eye on it, because this statement about the expansion of this nuclear doctrine clearly has two recipients, it is a western audience and an internal russian audience, because putin probably won't surprise or intimidate anyone with these statements in ukraine. yes, because in 2.5 years it is big wars they have already tested here, it seems, all their missiles, all their drones, all their weapons that they had... they just did everything they could do, the only thing they have left is nuclear tactical weapons . thank you, mr. igor, for the conversation, it was igor reiterovich, a political expert. and we, friends, continue our broadcast. i would like to remind you that we conduct polls throughout our broadcast.
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russia. will zelensky in the us present biden with a strategy to overcome russian aggression? are the western partners ready for the real one victory of ukraine? escalation risks. in the us, ukrainian arguments in favor of long-range missiles are not heard. strikes on russia with western weapons, why was putin given time to hide his planes outside the attack radius. freedom of conscience or freedom from conscience? fugitive mp dmytruk in great britain complains about oppression by the ukrainian authorities. can europe become a hideout for kremlin agents? we will talk about this and other things in... the next 45 minutes, let me remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as
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well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please subscribe to our pages, take part in our poll, today we ask you about whether russia should be invited to the second peace summit, yes, no, on youtube is quite simple, two options for answers if your comments go beyond this varia'. activity, please write them in the comments below this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on 0800 211 381 if you think russia should invite to the second peace summit, no 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. and today we have viktor boberenko, an expert, on the air. bureau of policy analysis, mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today,
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good health, and volodymyr fesenko, political scientist, chairman of the board of the center of applied political research penta, mr. volodymyr, i also congratulate you and thank you joined our conversation, i congratulate you, so gentlemen, since we are asking our tv viewers whether russia should be invited to the second peace summit, i will also ask... whether russia should be invited to the second peace summit, let's start with mr. viktor. mr. viktor, well, it all depends on the format, but we. we understand that there cannot be peace without both warring and conflicting sides, so if the format allows, then i think it should be, the only question is who will represent russia, if it will be putin's favorite horse lavrov, then
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the question is whether or not will zelenskyi be able to shake his hand, for example, but in fact, if we want... after all, peace, we must negotiate not with anyone, but with russia. thank you, mr. viktor, mr. volodymyr, we have already invited, and russia has refused. the third circumstance, we do not know where and when the peace summit, the second peace summit, and the fourth circumstance, these are not peace negotiations, this is a big political gathering, and in principle. the meaning of inviting russia to this event, why russia refuses, is diplomatic pressure on russia to agree to conduct peace negotiations taking into account ukrainian conditions and ukrainian interests, that is why russia refused this, so almost certainly russia will not be at the second peace summit, so
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all those who are against can be calm, but the negotiations on the end of the war for... with this russia, they are not inevitable, but it is not known when and how they will be , and under what conditions, well, judging by the reaction, under what conditions it is possible, here it is unlikely that we will agree to russian conditions, just as russia will not agree to ours, yes, under what conditions and where they will be, it is not yet known, i think , that we won't know about it before the elections in the usa are over, well actually we have two position, putin's position is an ultimatum to ukraine. saying: leave us the territories we entered, you, let the ukrainian army leave, and this was announced by president putin in july of this year. today our president spoke at the un general assembly and insisted on a just peace in ukraine, according to his peace formula. let's listen to what zelensky said. unfortunately, in the un,
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during such un meetings, it is impossible only to solve the problem of war. and unfortunately, very, very much depends on the veto power that exists in the security council, but the security formula, a peace formula can end a war if a vote in the security council can't stop it, and so that's exactly what we're offering, we're offering an opportunity for peace, a peace supported by equal partners. some suggest freezing the conflict, in fact, in fact, for that, putin will give you only more suffering and disaster as a prize. mr. viktor, do you understand what it means for the world community that the plan for the victory of ukraine is actually a plan for the defeat of russia, because
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this is the sign of the equality sign. so far, our international partners do not provide, ie they say, yes, ukraine must win, but at the same time they don't say that russia must lose, yes, yes, yes, yes, and this leads to the idea that uh, peace, peace, well, will be achieved by erdogan's formula, today there were also talks between erdogan and zelensky, and erdogan said: "i know, i have my own peace formula, and conditionally is the main thing." just stop shooting, yes, and he called for a ceasefire as the first stage, but we understand that, well, at least i believe that this is exactly what will happen, that when both sides will be exhausted, it will be clear, mr. fesenko is absolutely right that now
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there will be no peace talks and russia will not really come to the second summit, but putin will scare us all winter, with kauts, they will try to destroy, break through the front, so that the front crumbles, or so that we ourselves invited peace through capitulation through the fulfillment of putin's conditions, july conditions, yes, because we will have blackouts and it will be cold and we will sit without light, but if putin, if we survive this winter, and putin will understand there conditionally at the end of february , yes, to the third anniversary of the war, that is that's exactly the topic... the topic will be if, well, at the beginning of march it becomes clear that ukraine has not fallen, the armed forces are standing firm, we survived the winter, er... good or bad, but we survived and it will be obvious even to putin that the war not an option, and then many people will promote, i think, both erdogan and the chinese,
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maybe modi, who they also want to elect as a shuttler there, who will carry out shuttle diplomacy between moscow and kyiv, just as everyone will say, let's just stop shooting, and this will be the formula of peace that will be ours proposed because they will say, well, yes, okay, let's... stop shooting, then let's take heavy equipment there 30 km from the front, then let's demobilize there conditionally there by well according to some number of military personnel, let there be half a million, yes, and in such a simple way, the conflict will be frozen, that is, the freezing of the conflict is the most ee possible. an option, not only that, it is an option when both sides can claim their victory, putin will say, well, we have acquired new territories there, yes, and zelensky will say:
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ukraine resisted, that means we won, there is ukraine, independent, sovereign and all, and in fact this will be, well, if it were a peace plan, and this peace plan, everyone will push us to this peace plan, not only that, even our closest, closest allies. will push for this plan, if only because all societies will be tired of the war by then, well, yes, thank you, mr. viktor, mr. volodymyr, in the plan for zelensky's victory, there is at least one point that we know for sure that he there is, it is ukraine's invitation to the north atlantic alliance. about it said yarmak, already speaking in the united states of america, and this is probably the most difficult, most controversial point in this regard, because it is clear that the victory and the future of ukraine
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cannot be without nato, because nato is a reliable umbrella that will protect us from strikes by the russians on our territory, but for our current western partners, ukraine's membership in... nato is a big problem, a problem, in particular, regarding the fifth article of the north atlantic alliance charter. if this norm in terms of victory is not accepted by biden and, accordingly, by us by western partners, does this mean that this plan is a plan, as zelenskyy b said, and behind it are c and d, where there will be no such formula, and without this, without membership in nato, we will be able to defeat russia. well, first of all, i agree with mr. victor that the situation is so ambiguous, and there may be different options,
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in particular, the option that different countries will offer us, which is a ceasefire, another thing that, well, i would add here, a lot depends on from whoever wins the us election, because if trump. or according to the latest statements, well, then the situation can to speed up, and even then we have to prepare the same plans, it goes, how to react to trump's actions and not only to us, but also to the european partners of ukraine, so that it will also be a challenge for them, and by the way, this is trump's victory, it can fundamentally change our attitude to the question of membership in nato, because today. and this is our interest, not only because it is written in the constitution, there is a consensus here, and zelensky wants us to be in nato, and the majority of ukrainians wants us to be
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in nato, and the majority of people and experts consider ukraine's membership in nato as a guarantee, a guarantee of our security for the period after the war, after the end of the war, that is the main meaning, not only because it will also be a sign of our victory, because putin did not want us to be in nato, and we will become members. and if there is trump, then it is still unknown what will happen to nato, what condition nato will be in, whether nato will be able to protect us under trump, yes, and then we may have to build new defense alliances, it will be a completely different strategy, completely different options, that's just me i'm talking about this because, well, let's say this, it can radically change the situation with nato, but i will also pay attention to the fact that judging by... the context, well, for example, from what zelensky said in an interview with farid zakaria, that there are four basic points and one point for after the war. well, in my opinion, the
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post-war point is precisely about nato. now it is obvious that while the current full-scale war with russia is going on, ukraine will not even be invited to nato, because it means the risk of direct war between nato and russia. they don't want it in washington, i think they don't want it in moscow either also, but what's the problem, in moscow they understand that they don't want this in washington and they scare with this, they scare even not only there with the prospects of membership in nato and the application of the fifth article, they even scare with long-range missiles with long-range weapons. today's statement by putin is precisely evidence that he has already understood where the weak point is, this is such a point of pain and a point of concern, or a point, let's say, of fears in tram, not even in trump, but in biden, and therefore it is necessary press on this point, and that is why there is such a statement, what if a nuclear state will help a non-nuclear state,
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strike at... the territory of russia, this will be a declaration of war. i'm not sure that putin will take the appropriate steps, because he wants to live, a person who cares so much about his health, i think he cares about his life, but nevertheless, he felt such a weak point in of the biden administration, at the us president himself and is trying to put pressure there. this is the main problem now. therefore , in terms of nato, i think, one way or another, the issue will not be resolved now, no. under biden biden can tell us, okay, we support the euro-atlantic prospects of ukraine, we are in favor, but not today, but tomorrow, yes, and therefore it will be a postponed issue, depending on who will be the president of the united states, what will be the international situation next year, and accordingly, how will this war end, yes, so while this issue is postponed, i think that we are not going to abandon nato,
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but here... a lot will depend on who will be the president of the united states and what will be the fate of nato after the presidential elections us elections, actually mr. volodymyr, you just took this question about the future of nato off my tongue, because it is not clear what the configuration of this nato will be, given trump's statements that every state that is part of the alliance must deduct and transfer funds in the appropriate percentage, and those who will not be 2%, not less than 2%, yes... they don't pay, then we will not protect them and so on, no, well, this is blasphemy to a certain extent, and i think that trump is not sincere, well, simple, simple example, again the situation with the help of ukraine in the congress hangs, in particular thanks to the republicans do not have a us budget for the next year, the fiscal year, and at the same time trump accuses the europeans of saying that they do not help, but only the states help ukraine, as the europeans have already said. about
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the continuation of macro-financial assistance to ukraine, and the states have not yet declared, so that is why there is insincerity and, unfortunately, just manipulation, plus one more problem, what worries me now is that trump was clearly tricked, pumped up against ukraine , not even against zelensky, but against ukraine, and the father it is dangerous, yes, and there is a problem here, it is a challenge for all of us, the fact that zelensky is allegedly supporting kamala there. although this is not true, and now, unfortunately, the challenges associated with trump are growing for us, and i think that we need to prepare for this, thank you, mr. volodymyr, mr. viktor, well , it is possible that the next architecture european security, perhaps the next stage after nato, may be, including on the basis of the ukrainian state, this collective european security, the europeans
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talk about it, about the fact that we need... different consider options and see what and how will happen. in your opinion, considering the fact that we have one of the best armies in the world, without exaggeration, with the experience of combat operations and the fact that our fighters have weapons, where probably in most countries they have not even seen such weapons, although that they are part of the north atlantic alliance, or can it... in this case, ukraine can claim to be one of the leaders of european security and leaders in the new europe, because of the security that was there before february 22, february 20 to 24 the 22nd year will no longer be there, and therefore it is clear that something new will have to be created, but obviously on the model of the same north atlantic alliance.

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