the maximum air temperature is around 23-24°, roughly according to previous forecasts, the weather in ukraine will change to a cooler direction, even rain is expected on september 28-29. keep an eye out for our updated weather forecasts on the espresso channel. good evening, we are from ukraine. great return of great lviv. conversations, discussions, search for solutions. the largest talk format of ukraine in the evening prime time. in general, i think we need two things. money and weapons. we did not start this war, but we must end it and we must to win every thursday at 9:15 p.m. in the project, velikiy lviv talks about the most important things on the espresso tv channel. freedom in the mornings -

only the most important, we talk about topics that others are silent about, pay attention to details that others do not notice, one ether, one topic that we explore from different angles, now 20 minutes, because we value your time, watch in weekdays at 9:10 a.m. on espresso, or at any convenient time on radio svoboda youtube. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. the fateful meeting of the presidents. zelenskyi and biden decide the fate of kyiv's proposed strategy for overcoming russian aggression. why the ukrainian victory plan did not impress the american officials familiar with it.

dirty little lunges. trump criticized zelenskyi for refusing to compromise with putin and for personal insults. how the visit of the president of ukraine to the usa turned into an element of the american election campaign. joint attack on russia. the kremlin decided to consider ukraine's nuclear allies as direct participants in the war in the case of ukraine. long-range strikes, if he can is putin intimidating the west by expanding russian nuclear doctrine? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next hour we talk about war for peace and how our president is in the united states. america with a big

american tour, and what are the consequences, there are positive, there are negative consequences, there are trump's statements, there is the expected meeting between zelenskyi and biden, which should take place here in washington, we, we are waiting for the results, of course, of this meeting, because the president is there zelensky will present the plan for the victory of ukraine. throughout our program, we will have two guests, valentina lyvaychenko. former head of the security service of ukraine and people's deputy of ukraine, as well as volodymyr ogrysko, ex-minister of foreign affairs of ukraine. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch the video of how the fighters of the 19th separate mountain assault battalion of the edelweiss brigade staged another fire show for the occupiers in donetsk region with the help of fpv drones, they effectively destroyed the enemy bmp, as they expressed

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about the following: should zelensky fire the ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america at the request of the republicans? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, you can write your own opinion in the comments under this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone. by phone and vote by

numbers if you think that zelensky should fire the ambassador of ukraine to the usa on the demand of the republicans, and to put it simply, trumpists 0.800 211 300. 81 no 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce our first guest today, this is valentin nalevaichenko, former head of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine, mr. valentin, i welcome you and i am glad to see you. well, first of all, here we ask our viewers and television viewers whether there should be a reaction to the statement of the speaker of the house of representatives johnson. about the fact that ukraine should recall markarov for the fact that she arranged a visit to pennsylvania by president zelensky and seemed to play along with the candidate from the democratic party , kamala garis, or should we react in some way and what should be the reaction? you know, if i were fired as the ambassador of ukraine for

something like that, diplomacy would not exist at all. i will say that definitely not, firstly, no one is going to fire the ukrainian ambassador, and secondly. this should not be done, the political reaction of one or another party to the actions of the ambassador is one thing, and the ambassador always represents his country, there is no doubt here, and we should not have any inferiority complex, but go forward firmly, and ukrainian diplomacy should work, help, organize and push through the visits of the president, the prime minister, the minister of foreign affairs, these three people are responsible for our foreign policy, and how is what they ask for related to international norms? no way, i say right away, it does not correlate in any way, this is a political assessment, an assessment, but you and i must understand, i worked for a long time in the united states and saw no one election campaign that was there, and what we are seeing today, and in another month and a half and voting day, i think that this is the hottest month and a half of the presidential

campaign in the united states of america, there will be a lot of political drama, there will be a lot of scandals, the main thing for us is not to get involved and not to let our diplomats get involved in such. this scandal is unfolding right before our eyes, because donald trump, the candidate for the presidency of the united states of america of the republican party, at a rally in north carolina, made one of the most cruel public statements, the harshest public statements regarding the war in ukraine, he accused the president of ukraine of refusing to make agreements with russia, which allegedly led to the destruction of the country. let's hear what trump said. what are you left with now, three years of terrible fighting, the country completely destroyed, millions and millions of people, including all these outstanding soldiers, dead. these magnificent buildings with golden baths are destroyed and lie in ruins, you will never see any city

or town again, never, they will never be rebuilt, they are all destroyed except kyiv, they were thousands of years old, only. three years ago you had a beautiful civilization, now most of the country is gone, so many people died, many people left for poland, hungary, other places, they will never come back. at the same time, trump added that there will not be enough money to rebuild ukraine, even if the whole world comes together. in his opinion, if his opponent harris wins the election, there will be more ukrainians. will die, cities will fall, what is the reason for donald trump's sharp reaction to zelenskyi? well , it goes, you and i have just deciphered it, it goes political campaign, you know, at rallies, if it is to quote politicians, even ukrainian, any and american, when they are

presidential candidates, they smoke, you know, everything, especially political opponents, and it is clear that this rhetoric of the candidate from mr. trump's republicans against the rhetoric. candidate from the democrats, the young and really promising kamala harris, by the way, she is the vice president until now and holds this position in the biden administration, but i will tell you, nevertheless, as a person who knows the united states well, my the advice would also be to the president of ukraine, after all , i don't know who advised him that it is necessary to show one candidate, and the other candidate, to show the plan of ukraine, the only one who needs it, if you do show it, is... the current, prominent president of the usa , important authorities, this is how america works, this is how american institutions work, the white house is the white house, and whoever is in it, you have to work with him in the congress, whoever is in the congress, in the senate or in the house of representatives, these are two houses of parliament of the united states, it is necessary to work with

democrats, and with republicans, i am talking about us, about ukraine, and i myself have done so more than once, but what was not completely correct, in my opinion, is that we will... show a presidential candidate, but no, why, if there are republicans and democrats in the congress, if there is a white house, it is necessary to work with them, moreover , if the president of ukraine wanted or wanted to turn politically. to politicians, well, he speaks english, i would write down and i would advise you to write down now, to write down the appeal in english, but not to american politicians, not to the elections in america, but to the american people, words of gratitude, words of gratitude for supplies, new jobs, for which one of the republican candidates, trump, is so campaigning, job job jobs, what jobs, jobs, jobs created, filled and reproduced thanks to. because ukraine is fighting, not destroyed, thanks to the fact that the armed forces of ukraine are fighting the russian aggressor, but

thanks to american help, jobs are actually working, huge salaries are being paid, a whole mechanism has worked, that is only one plant in pennsylvania, and such plants are only for patriots, you know how many states, pennsylvania, arizona, texas, ohio, four states, that's, i tell you, a lot of people live there, that's why the appeal. what they did and the plan, if they were to be shown, then from the direction of the people of the united states of america, because i am deciphering and no one will say otherwise that the support of ukraine is because the american people support us, and not because some politician is so-so wanted to, well, but zelensky, while in pennsylvania, was just confirming trump's thesis that jobs jobs jobs why the backlash. trump had a desire for this, because in principle zelenskyi showed that americans, in principle

, help themselves first, and about the 60 billion that trump constantly talks about, that zelenskyi came, collected 60 billion dollars and that's all, but they remained in the united states of america, we only took iron from there, that's all , that's why there's no need to get involved, there was and is now in political debates and political rallies, well, there are presidential elections, well, let's do it... for our tv viewers, so that to understand, strenton, where this plant was located and is located, which was visited by the president of ukraine, is the hometown of us president biden. demokrata, hometown. and it is pennsylvania - that state, which among those that oscillate, in america they are called the swing state. and it is for those, for these states, for these voters that they are fighting, well, i am not mistaken in the verb, both trump and kamala harris are fighting, well, they are fighting, so let the american people choose their president, we , why in this battle? we have a lot to do, especially here we are not joking anymore, we are talking about the armed

forces of ukraine, we are talking about the fact that president biden saved 5.9 billion dollars by transferring to his presidential powers, the funding of defense weapons for the armed forces of ukraine from the pentagon reserves, this is serious, because on october 1 , the fiscal year in america ends, that is, the budget, everything that is money, if they were not used, they would all burn up this year as well. namely, the congress, which, albeit belatedly, allocated 60 billion, so here are the leftovers, if the administration had not done so the current president of the usa biden, burned down, so who do we care about, the current president of the usa biden, especially, i will remind serhiy, he has been in the office for the last four months, he is still the full-fledged president of the usa for four months. i think that he can do a lot more for ukraine and zelensky hopes for it. a meeting is currently taking place in the capitol. zelenskyi with congressmen, the president of ukraine arrived in washington to

meet with american legislators, now we will show a fragment of this meeting, it all happens live, and this takes place against the background of zelenskyi's expected meeting with joseph biden, in literally half an hour zelenskyi is to meet with the president of the united states of america and present to him the plan for victory in ukraine. president zelenskyi was met in the capitol by the leader of the democratic majority in the senate, chuck schumer, and the leader of the republican minority in the senate, mitch mcconnell, later, as i said, there will be a meeting with president joseph biden, the president has already met with biden on the sidelines of the un general assembly, and obviously it was there is some protocol and such a ritual meeting, we are all waiting, what with... says the president of the united states of america , joseph biden, he wants to be called a lame duck, because she, he will soon

leave the post of president, that's what they call it, we don't call it that, well, i have the americans call attention, forgive me, what can we expect from joseph biden's reaction to this victory plan, because the american press, they are already writing about the fact that american officials are not very satisfied with this victory plan, because they say that there is the main thing, this is a request for weapons, and there is no... strategic vision how this, how this victory should come to ukraine, i would also add that maybe they expect that a plan of defeat will also be written there. russia, because the plan for the victory of ukraine, everyone is talking about the plan for the victory of ukraine, our western partners somehow avoid the question of the plan for the defeat of russia, as if, as if we should win, but they believe that russia should not lose, is it possible, i think that the meeting that is going on right now, in half an hour, will start in the white house between the president

of ukraine, the president of the united states, and biden, just will be the main content and this is what the us president wants to hear. from ukraine, from the ukrainian president, how exactly do you see the way to defeat russia, to remain an independent, democratic state, and to join the european union in the near future and have the prospects of membership in nato. i say every word, it is true, as those that will really be discussed by the two presidents now. as for the meeting at the congress, it is really important, but here, thank god, everything is right. the two parties we talked about, no, seeing this plot, two parties, that is, both republicans and democrats, what is the difference, which of them is in the majority, who is in the minority? i assure you, by the end of the year, this could all change, because in america there is constant election and constant rotation, especially in the lower house, in the house of representatives, but even the cribs that i saw, i know chuck schumer and mitch personally, they put , you've seen

the colors, blue blue-yellow, it's both a democrat and a republican, but it's expensive, and you have to use it. as bipartisan support, more specifically, in addition to talking about the plan brought by president zelenskyi, us president biden is ready and will be, i think, in an hour or two, these decisions will be announced from the white house by us president biden himself, what he is ready for, ready for a series, for several serious decisions in support of the armed forces of ukraine and in support of ukraine. the first series of decisions has already begun, this is additional funding, it was 375. dollars yesterday, and for missiles for f-16s, ukrainian f-16s, such serious aerial bombs, with a serious distance, let it be no more than 110 km, but this too not bad, because just with f-16s too, they can and should be launched by our armed forces, this is before the training of additional ukrainian pilots next year in

the united states, that is 18, to be precise, the united states will train additional pilots. in addition, to those of our aces who were trained in romania and other countries, this is already a package that has been announced, but starting today, i think that the president of the united states will announce additional billion steps of funding for additional patriot systems, missiles for patriot, no less more important than the battery itself, because it's no secret that we need especially our anti-aircraft defense is an additional reserve of combat. a set of missiles for air defense systems, you see, every night, you and i do not sleep, starting at two in the morning, and we hear the last explosion at 10 in the morning, these are kyivans, zhytomyr region, and all of ukraine, odesa now, kharkiv, again under the cabs, which means that under the f-16s, which already exist, and which we will additionally receive, modern

missiles and modern guided aerial bombs are needed to destroy those terrorist installations, those terrorist... systems of the russians, which are terrorizing ukraine every night, what will be a series of decisions from the us president, i think it will be clearly guaranteed that membership in the european union and additional funding for energy recovery, the us will increase the package, as germany just did, by the way, you see , how the allies operate, they are literally hours apart, germany, i think, is now projecting the same as the united states. and the third, most important, in my opinion, is that us president biden will confirm that after october 10 this year he will narmstein, the american military base in germany, and they are going there with him, us president biden will be there, french president macron, the prime minister of great britain and chancellor fern, of course, because this is a country, here

four world leaders will gather all the anti-putin coalition, which is more than 50 countries. and i think that this will be one of the most serious and most well-prepared events in support, direct support of ukrainian defense. we must not rush ahead, let's take a little time, but after the announcements it is necessary to pay tribute to the us president biden will be in ramstein from october 10, and there will be a group meeting of the entire anti-putin coalition with ukraine about weapons, about the armed forces, about specific decisions here and now for ukrainian. by the way, against the background of what trump said, about the fact that ukraine will never recover what it lost, the g7 countries signed a declaration, to which they also joined. 30 countries and the european union, and this declaration provides for further military, economic and humanitarian assistance, both in the short term and in the post-war period, this was announced by the president of the united states

of america, joseph biden. let's listen. today we are publishing a joint declaration of support for the recovery and reconstruction of ukraine to clearly state that we will support ukraine now and in the future. it will start from the battlefield. i am determined to provide ukraine with what it needs to win and fight for survival. tomorrow i will announce a series of actions to accelerate support for the ukrainian military. but we know that the future victory of ukraine is something more than what happens on the battlefield. this too about what ukrainians are doing to make the most of their free and independent. speaking before the un security council and the general assembly, zelensky said that

western countries should force the aggressor russia to make peace. the press secretary of the kremlin, dmytro piskov, immediately declared that it is impossible to force russia to peace. well, zelenskyy spoke to the general assembly neatly enough, so diplomatically. and at the security council as well, although on the other hand, russia is a member of the security council and has a veto and voting right, it is in the un general assembly, although the presence of russia in the un general assembly and in the un security council raises many questions about legality, because they entered the soviet union as legal successors, yes, but the league of nations at the time in the 39th year. excluded the soviet union because the soviet union attacked finland, and why can't history repeat itself, when russia loses the right to vote both in the un and in the un security council, because

it looks like whoever is the aggressor, the biggest aggressor now in world, he decides the fate of the whole world by voting for the security council and the un, this is what should happen, russia should be excluded from the security council and the un in general, and not just excluded, but also finally apply total trade, economic... financial sanctions, i claim total, which for now allows russia to avoid at least such serious financial and economic sanctions and exclusion from the un, this is china, this is india, these are those countries that are huge in terms of economic, political, human potential, in the end, a billion 400 million each, what some have, what others have, only the population, and they they have a huge weight, as well as their, albeit small, small number, and satellites. therefore, it is not easy for us , ukraine alone, to insist on this, but i will tell you that it is very inspiring that the prominent president of the united states and other world leaders, even the president

of finland, oleksandr stup, joined the position that russia should be excluded from the un security council, this unequivocally, the un security council itself needs to be reformed so that it does not happen again that the aggressor, as you rightly say, decides, sits first in the security council, and secondly, makes which decisions? how to make the whole nightmare the world, how to continue to scare the world with a nuclear meeting, like putin, you know, everything failed, he realized that he will never defeat ukraine, and again he grabs that nuclear stick and rewrites the doctrine, for whom, intimidating, in fact, if you ask me, i'm sure that all this is putin's doctrinal fever only for his own citizens to intimidate, show, and a lot of other things, you know, in the kursk region there is no need to explain. i will explain to you what kind of supernuclear missiles we have there, well, we will all listen to putin for now, because i will explain to our tv viewers, maybe some of you didn't notice, but yesterday the

self-proclaimed president, let's say, the president of russia, putin held the council of the security council and they discussed the expansion of the russian doctrine of nuclear deterrence there, and what putin said, we will hear now. the list of military threats for the neutralization of which nuclear deterrence measures are used has been supplemented. what else would i particularly like to draw your attention to, in the updated version of the document, aggression against russia by any non-nuclear state, but with the participation or support of a nuclear state, it is proposed to consider how their joint attack on the russian federation. mr. valentine, can we take what putin is saying and what they've done with this nuclear deterrence doctrine, as they say, as pandering

to trump in this situation, because trump will. to say: listen, look, russia is threatening the world with nuclear weapons, we need to stop this war, we need to stop funding the armed forces of ukraine, and in this way come to some kind of peace formula, because you see that if we supply something there, then putin promises to strike with nuclear weapons, i don't think it is possible to intimidate trump with such statements, remember when trump was president, he summoned all these russian spies, closed the consulate general, even in san francisco. and other actions are quite harsh against putin and his regime, we hope that he has not changed in his determination that russia is actually a threat to america, to american citizens no less, but the same as to us and the whole world, especially after such, i i say, doctrinal innovations in quotes, but i still anyway, i’m going back to the content, as i understand it and read it professionally, i didn’t watch the video, but i read what i read from a piece of paper... putin, i’m

a professional, you know, that’s what i suggest to anyone who wants to do analytics, but quickly , not long, put this piece of paper, and read not what he claims, how we will strengthen there, intimidate, but read what they are afraid of, afraid of drones, afraid of missiles, afraid of the fact that ukraine is supported by the entire anti-putin coalition, in fact, he read the list of fears of the kremlin leadership and the putin regime itself, and this list of fears, what are they for? save money, their only stick is nuclear. the only thing i can reassure everyone is that even their sarmatians, who have invested billions, none of them can explode, they explode simply in those holes, holes from which they are trying to launch them, and this is supposedly some kind of carrier of possible and a warhead, that's why i decode it and look, i advise others not to be afraid, but to see what from...

the kremlin is so scared of him, i think that, but he took such a high bar and what remains, everything and everything again, and remember how it was the 22nd year, well, also, difficult, winter, war, we are all here, it would seem that it was not for that, but remember, he also put together a kind of funeral outfit, but it seems he was the only one, and this minister of murder shoigu was there then, and the same chief of the general staff gerasimov, and he then announced something in a grave voice. increased nuclear duty everyone raise all russian forces with missiles to fly and increased duty. well, it was scary then, indeed, at that time russian troops were already exploding near kiev, but since the 22nd year it has been intimidating the whole the world, sometimes by alternation, then by renewal, then by doctrines, then simply by threats. i think you know it when nothing goes wrong and when everything that you promised, inflated and used a lot of russian money

instead of your own citizens falls apart. at least to pay something, no, to kill ukrainians, then they again grab for nuclear weapons, which, again , i say, their condition and quality and quantity are under huge question, at the very end of our conversation i wanted to ask about the meeting that burns, the director of the cia, told about with naryshkin, they met in istanbul when russia wanted to use nuclear weapons against ukraine, and they had a meeting in turkey, as such... meetings usually take place, and what they can, what they can talk about at such meetings, that is, they lay out the full map, the maps are full and say: listen, well, if you hit ukraine, we will hit here, here, here, there, and basically everything will be destroyed by the leadership of the russian federation, that is, how harshly are such conversations taking place? well, i myself had more than one such conversation with burns , including before that with two previous directors of the cia, but in the guise whenever

headed the security service of ukraine. and i will say that from my experience, from such conversations, you are 100% talking to a person who knows everything, and you must understand 100% that you understand everything, what you are talking about, and here is what i think that with naryshkin russia, mr. burns, the current director of the cia, spoke on behalf of the president of the united states at the time, and he began with this, that i, on behalf of the president of the united states, clearly tell you that if, first of all, we know that tactical nuclear missiles. .. tactical, not to be confused with strategic, sarmatians, you plan, hold meetings, your so-and-so generals, there closer to the border with poland, this is the 22nd year, hit, scare someone and so on, so you don't scare anyone, once, we know about such plans, two and third and most importantly, answer there will be so-and-so, the black sea fleet, bye, well , other goals too, i am skeptical at the same time.