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ukrainian units, please donate, because big or small donations, we don't want to compare them, big donations, small donations, everyone donate as much as you can, and even 10 hryvnias. they matter because they are nearing the end of this meeting of ours, so please join us, and we will join our next guest in the conversation, rostyslav pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine, already with us, mr. rostyslav, glory to ukraine, we are playing glory, we have a month, a little more, even less than a month has passed since the signing of the document and now the law has entered into force, i am talking about the law on the prohibition of activities, it is... related to russia, so in fact it is about the russian orthodox church, have you already seen the first consequences, the first results, some noise is it possible on the contrary, everything is so good that they began to actively switch? well, so far we don't see any

active transitions, and not some, as you say, noise, so far, well, psychologists say that there are several stages in how to cope with the inevitable, but so far i do. and here, actually, so far we, well, not us exactly, but the structural subdivision of the russian orthodox church in ukraine is far from accepting, so far they are in the stage of denial, so far it seems that they are waiting, and then they go rumors about what will allegedly happen some kind of negotiations, that someone will come there, restore order in the united states and beyond, and in this way, they say, they will wait for moscow's elder brother to decide everything for them. and the ukrainian state will allegedly be forced to roll back its demands, but i am convinced that this will not happen, and they will have to move from the stage of denial to another, some are already at the stage of bargaining, somewhere there they are trying to understand, and what will it be, we have seen this rather interesting story

of communication with the delegation of the selensk patriarchate, i think is very popular there explained that no second tomos. there will be no special status, no separate status from the ocu, because it cannot be, and that is why they thought to themselves, now they will lose hope for russian older brothers, and only then, i think, within the framework of those nine months , which the law gives them to make up their minds, then some actions are indeed possible, but again in the coming weeks, the coming months, they hope that everything will be as usual. well, nine months are enough to get rid of these hopes, how many such communities still remain in ukraine, do you have approximate numbers? actually , there are approximately 6-7 of them, why such a spread, because those parishes that are located in the temporarily occupied territories, muscovy absolutely

unashamedly transfers them directly under the centralized management of moscow, that is, technically, this structural division of the uoc mp loses. even some formal influence on these parishes, and that is why there is such a scattering of numbers, but they are no more than 7 thousand, the orthodox church of ukraine, taking into account all transitions, already has about 800 parishes, that is, the uocmp cannot to say that they are the largest, most numerous denomination there, well, there is something to think about, you mean that 8,000 communities have already moved, no, no, no, i mean there are about two of them. about 1,500, if i am correct, that is, this is the total number of those who were, ocu, this is the total number, yes, yes, mr. rostyslav, but seven, even if there are 6 00 of those communities, and if the number is less, then in 9 months, will

it be possible in such a calm regime, can we ensure organizationally, documentedly, that this transition is so calm, balanced, or if there will be some communities that will drag, drag, drag, but in the end i will say: okay, let's move on, let's not quarrel over speaking, then maybe there won't be this kind of legal drag in recent times, well, a lot depends on the church leadership here, because on the one hand, we have legislation that regulates the activity of churches, it is of the european type, it provides that each parish, that is, each community, is its own legal entity, it must decide the question of affiliation, and this, by the way... gives chances, as you say, such a transition is calm, but this, if they have the will, or on the other hand, the church is a fairly hierarchical organization, according to their internal regulations, statutes, everything is accepted very vertically from top to bottom, and the easiest and fastest would be if

the leadership decided that they stop playing around, stop waiting for russian tanks or russian negotiations, and enter instead into negotiations with the canonical orthodox church. of ukraine about the path and method of unification, and i never get tired of repeating in every communication with the media that there are many ways to do it, so that everyone is satisfied, so that on the one hand... until the agency does not get into the ukrainian church, but on the other hand, so that everyone who is ukrainian, but for one reason or another, as long as he associates himself with uoc mp, so that they unite with their brothers and sisters in the ocu, but so far we do not see the will of the church leadership to do this, and therefore the forecast is still very conservative, that it will take them several months to go through all these psychological stages, and only then i think that this process will begin after all. from below, and he i really want to hope that the church leadership will finally make some

constructive decisions, the congregation has not moved, 10 congregations, 100, god forbid, a thousand or more, what happens next, nine months, it will pass at the beginning of summer next year, if it says 10 - 100 thousand, well, roughly speaking, these are their private problems, but simply then, or the place... the government, or even at the request of citizens, the relevant state body, the state service for ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience, violates a very specific procedure regarding legal the liquidation of this community, the liquidation of all the organizations that they created around them, candle factories and so on, and they can no longer exist as a structural unit of the russian orthodox church, if they want to re-register because it is simply orthodox there. well, the state will not be able to prevent them from this, the main thing is that

they are not part of the moscow church, but recently the head of the committee on humanitarian policy, mr. potoraev, said in an interview that if you are not part of the russian churches, the state simply cannot have any questions about you, but they then have a question about the fact that they really like to show off their canonicity, because in the orthodox world it doesn't work like that, you can't just declare yourself a church, you have to belong to some... of the local churches, if they do not want to belong to the ukrainian church, the state forbids them to belong to the russian church, well, then they remain outside the church, and for them, if they really call themselves orthodox and consider themselves as such, well a rather serious question arises, which they will be forced to solve, that is, they will just now take themselves underground, go and start declaring themselves martyrs and so on, you know, judging by the practice of the existence of moscow... churches and in particular in ukraine, they are something not very given to an underground existence, and this is not the greek catholic church,

which existed for decades in the soviet union and underground, and this is not the evangelical churches, which were chased for a very long time, they are used to comfort, they are used to integration into such ruling circles, so i think this one habit will speed up their transition from the moscow church to the ukrainian one, they just don't yet understand that it is not irreversible, they still hope... this will be repeated, some will go to tanks, some will go to negotiations, and when it becomes clear that there will be neither, nothing else, well, then i think they will think about ways of transition, well, interestingly, one more literally short question is not on this topic, there is a concept of canceling the dpa this final certification, and not just in the fourth grade, and the ninth and the 11th, eh, how seriously, actually, how ready our parliamentarians should make such a decision, because we understand. that this can affect the quality of education? well, i have to say that right now there is a rather serious discussion on this

issue in the specialized committee and in general in the parliament, because there are arguments both on one side and on the other, and the main argument, of course , is the safety of children, of course it is clear what the rashists will do everything to disrupt normal life in ukraine, so i think that we will come to some kind of compromise so that the quality of education does not suffer, because this is actually the main counterargument against. dpp, and we will come up with forms of control that will guarantee the safety of our children, but also ensure the quality of education. of course. thank you, mr. rostislav. rostyslav pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine, about the fact that the other day a month has passed since the signing of the document, and now there is a law prohibiting activities related to the russian orthodox church. church has entered into force, that is, 9 months until june 23 next year, there is time in the communities to... voluntarily join, disconnect from the russian orthodox church

and join the ukrainian orthodox church, to the orthodox church of ukraine, if this is not done, then everyone can in fact be an active participant in the process, that is, write an appropriate appeal, pay attention, and then there will be appropriate consequences, but as they said about it earlier, as they warned about it earlier, that we are ready to the fact that there will be protests, and some kind of processions, and people will speak, that is, people can simply be controlled, i'm talking about ordinary parishioners, they can simply be used. in this process in order for them to be able to they insisted, spoke out, asked to continue, to allow them to continue to exist in ukraine, but we understand that it cannot continue like this , and for how long they dragged on with this draft law, and it is good that by the day of independence it was managed

to be voted in the version that is , and eventually it came into effect, as we can see, so far we have not heard of any. transition, but currently it's only four days from when the law went into effect, so there wasn't really much time left, and there are two options that, the two most common options that the community can get involved in ocu, it is either when the head of the community, when the priest calls for it, suggests it, and if not, then the members of the community themselves can say that it does not suit us, we want something different, we want... make the right choice for you. and our last guest for today is darya kalynyuk, co-founder of the international center for the ukrainian victory of isa fau. mrs. darya, we congratulate you. good day about russian assets? we talk a lot, and at first, when we first started talking about it, there was a thought: "oh, great, now everyone in the world is freezing,

they will transfer assets to us, give us interest as well from these russians". asset, and we will have both for weapons, and for reconstruction, and for social payments, and for everything else, but in reality it did not go so smoothly, firstly, it was a long process, when even our partners did not see, how to do it, they did not agree, and in the end they did not agree on the assets themselves, because there are certain banking issues, but we are talking about the interest from these confiscated russian assets, what other nuances, what other cautions await us now, that is... so that attract more funds for our ukrainian needs? that this is a very correct story, to use russian money to build ukrainian weapons and kill those who came to occupy our territory, our enemy, and this process has already begun, it began at the expense

of interest earned in the west from seized russian assets e. the majority of this money is located in belgium in accounts with the euroclear organization, about 180 billion euros, and they generate about 3 billion dollars in profits every year, but actually they have already begun to transfer part of the money to ukraine from these profits, and partly aid in the form of weapons, that is, with this money in europe they buy weapons, transfer them to us, and the first 400 million euros through... with denmark went to ukraine to the ministry of defense for the purchase of bohdan's rifles, but we must realize that this is the first step , and from interest, our partners, in particular the european union, are now trying to create more capital for ukraine, that is, they promised to give us

a $50 billion grant, these are the big seven countries, they should... at the expense of these interests, which generate seized assets, generate a loan that will be given to us in the form of a grant, it all sounds so complicated, but it is also a financial mechanism that allows us to generate a source of funding for ukraine through russian money, ursula fondelaien, the president of the european commission, came the other day and said that 35 billion. the european union is ready to issue euros, well, they have been promising for a long time, but they have not yet issued them, so we are following this closely, but we are not giving up and we are not stopping from the main goal, but the main goal is the arrested, that is, frozen, immobilized russian money , that belong to the russian national bank, these are sovereign assets that belong to the state

of russia, from this money we can make confiscated money, because because... they are owned by the russian federation, and we cannot use them to the full extent, they are simply immobilized, and this decision on confiscation must take place, our allied countries are resisting in every possible way, telling us that there are allegedly some legal risks, financial risks, and we explain to them the risks of not making this decision at all, and that is, there is no alternative... to finance stability and the defense capabilities of ukraine and the economy of ukraine, such as the confiscation of russian... their hundreds of billions of dollars, because taxpayers in the eu and america are already, as they say, tired of our war, yes, i will say this cynically, but there are problems with

this, that is why we are closely following the events that took place in the states, in the states back in april a law was passed that allows and describes the legal model of confiscation of frozen russian... assets specifically in the united states of america, and now we expect, that the law will be implemented by the administration of president biden, that is, until the end of biden's term, it is very important that the matter be brought to an end and the law that was adopted be implemented. we have proposed our model of how to implement this law, taking into account the provisions of the law. well, all our partners actually tell us. that we want to confiscate this money, we are considering this possibility, we are looking for legal avenues, but how can we be sure that you will not

steal this money, yes, well, there is no full confidence in the government of ukraine, and there are certain risks of corruption until now, even in this ripo act it is written that biden, the american president, must submit a detailed report to congress on how the confiscated funds are planned to be used. their assets for the reconstruction of ukraine to compensate war victims, to ensure that everything will be transparent and accountable. we proposed such a model, we studied the experience of the reconstruction of germany after the second world war, a separate bank was created there to rebuild the german economy, we propose to create such a ukrainian bank of restitution and restoration from the number of supervisors. council, which would consist of the countries of the big seven and representatives of our government, where the head of this bank would be a ukrainian, and most of

the specialists would be ukrainians, but the bank, we propose, in order to satisfy our partners who are afraid of losing and transferring 300 billion immediately to ukraine, the bank could be temporarily located on the territory of belgium in european union, this model takes everyone into account. risks and risks of our partners, but will allow ukrainians to have a decisive influence on the decision on where to spend this money, and we expect that a significant part of this money, which would not be measured in hundreds of millions euros, as it is now, in billions and hundreds of billions of dollars, went to, including a strategic sector such as defense, the defense sector of ukraine, that is, it is actually important that not only for reconstruction, but also for defense, because actually often there were warnings that certain foreign funds should not

be used for weapons, and what our partners give us, although the funds here are not partner funds. ms. daria, thank you for the clarification, for such an analysis, and we hope that biden himself will do it all very quickly, organize it. daria kalyniuk was with us, the co-founder of international. the center of the ukrainian victory, and this is also the time to say goodbye to us, take care of yourself, do not ignore the air warning signals and inform, inform, inform, in a few minutes do not miss the news, khrystyna parobiy will tell about the most important thing at noon, then our colleagues will pick up the ether. mega sale on razpaka tv. the latest copies of strong saws with a discount of only uah 699. attention, the promotional price is valid while

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