and consequences of these events from experts, forecasts of the development of the situation for the current week, the opportunity to ask your own questions and join the discussion, spend the final monday evening with us and confidently step into the new week. the new week project with khrystyna yatskiv and andrii smoly, every monday at 8:00 p.m. on espresso. a law banning the activities of russian comes into force today. of the orthodox church in ukraine, and petitions began to be sent to the parliament with the demand to cancel it, they write on printed forms, this all shows that an organized campaign, well, not for the first time. law 8371, the adoption of which i demanded for 2 years, is called anti-god and anti-constitutional. they threaten us with a terrible court, they demand to cancel the ban on the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, but the fact is that we did not ban the uoc led by metropolitan onufriy, if they do not belong to it. of this patriarchate, but there is simply the uoc,

then they have nothing to worry about, because they themselves claim that they are independent from the moscow patriarchate. it is enough to prove that this connection is documented there is no, that there is nothing that connects them with the russian orthodox church. but a month has passed since the adoption of this law, and the radical wing of the ukrainian orthodox church is resisting and delaying. however, our law will finally make life easier for those communities that volunteered to get rid of moscow dependence, but could not do so. this was earlier, they fought for it for years, and they did not succeed due to complex legislation. such a story happened in budchi, where even after the terrible atrocities of the russian army, the klire of the russian orthodox church resisted the community. a whole detective plot was spun there a privatized temple and a priest on the run. last year in august, the residents of buchi were horrified by what they saw. the uoc priest rewrote the entire church after the church community decided to transfer to the local church. this was mykhailo koloch's last attempt. to stop

people, it was private property, we couldn't even believe our eyes that such a thing could be done, there was a temple of god, it became a temple of priest michael. mykhailo kolochavin was found all the way in germany. the priest fled after several searches by law enforcement officers that took place at his home accommodation he, like many other half-breeds, is suspected of collaborating with the enemy. in a conversation with journalist mykhailo kolocha, he revealed his accomplice, who still works in the law enforcement agencies of ukraine. i call the best man, the prosecutor, i say: "best man, what's going on?" he says: "father, i am your son. go, because they will not let go of you until they put you down." and that's all. and that's why i had to leave. in this frank interview , mykhailo kolochavin not only handed over the divider from the prosecutor's office, but also made several stunning statements that once again confirmed our rightness in the case of banning the russian orthodox church in ukraine. redesigning temples personally for... priests, and in

fact stealing them from communities is not some kind of excess, it is the policy of obtaining these block-posts of the ruskavmir. the fugitive priest gave us the name of the person who at the highest level coordinates this subversive activity in favor of the kremlin. in the spring of 2022, bucha became another evidence of moscow barbarism. footage of the massacre committed here shocked the world. leonid cherkassky lived through the horrors of the occupation in his hometown. i saw those shot with my own eyes russian people. to remove their bodies from the streets and bury them in a humane manner, he also appealed to the priests of the moscow patriarchate for help. we hide people in blankets, in blankets, well, everything that could be found, go and do some kind of service, then he told me, i can't go there, it's not my parish, i tell him, it's not yours, we have one parish now, ukrainians and buchanans, that's all, there is no other, instead, mykhailo kolochevin, who looks like a collaborator, does not believe in russian atrocities. in buchi, he says that it was the ukrainian

army that destroyed his temple, you know, i'm talking about brutality i hear from journalists, and i hear from people who, who apparently did not encounter them, our church suffered artillery damage, well, damage, but it was not the russians, as tsn said, but it was the ukrainian military. before the occupation, most of the parishes in the buchansk community belonged to the parish of the moscow patriarchate, there were 13 of them in total, and only four to the local church. after the liberation of the city, volunteer leonid cherkaskyi and ocu priest mykola krygin, together with like-minded people, organized a movement for the transition to an autocephalous church. i will recover power, statehood in this community on our territory, then we created our own, we have a small group, about five men, and we...

on our own initiative started working, because we realized for ourselves that this is not about a question of faith , this is a matter of security, it was not easy, because people are in a daze. hundred-year-old moscow propaganda, which was delivered to them simply from the pulpits, and it is not for nothing that one of the most popular criminal articles, according to which the sbu initiates proceedings against kliru mp, propaganda and justification of russian aggression, i am talking to one woman, a parishioner of a moscow church, she says: angels descended with white parachutes, they are the ones who came to kill, who came to occupy, it is necessary to work with people's consciousness. because they were involved in such a fornication that it will be very difficult for them to get out of there on their own, it will be very difficult to get out, and the first thing is that they should feel that they are loved, that they are also ukrainians. in bucha, the entire arsenal was used to keep the community of the church

of the pochaiv icon of the mother of god of the uoc mp from transitioning to the orthodox church of ukraine, in order to not to leave the russian orthodox church. propaganda, threats, provocations, well, in the end, on august 12, 23 of the third year, the religious congregation decided to transfer to the ocu, and only 3% of the community voted against it. at the same time, an appeal to the president and the verkhovna rada was adopted with a request to ban the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. by that time, it had already been almost a year since my draft law was registered in the parliament. it took more than a year for the authorities to write their document because they did not want to adopt the initiative prepared by the opposition deputies. in the end, i got involved in the development of plans and edits to this government project. "most of my ideas were taken into account, and now it will be easier for ukrainians to renounce ruskavamir. one of the main provisions of the new law provides for restrictions on the use of communal property and land if the church remains in the russian orthodox church, because property is the last resort of blackmailers in robes. in buchi , for example, after the transition

, the community was forbidden access to the temple, which stands on municipal land. a large number of local residents of this area, called they were just dreaming for changes to take place here, and when the assembly was announced, a very large number of them gathered, they voted and waited for the ukrainian church to enter this church, but in order not to hand over the church to the ocu two months before the religious assembly, the former rector mykhailo kolochavin illegally it was privatized and onufriy berezovsky personally advised him about it, he immediately went to the most blessed onufriy and... i say bishop, yes and yes, here i am threatened that they will take away the temple and so on, what should i do, he says, write a request, gather a group people in the temple, eh, who has the desire for the temple to be left as a gift

to you, if everyone supports it, or there will be a majority of people, or how many people will be there, then you will come to me tomorrow, i will give you this blessing, and you... will be able to notarize the temple for yourself. a familiar notary advised mykhailo kolochavin with the help of five false parishioners to donate the church to himself. but in this scheme there was also a godfather, also a priest of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, to whom the church was first registered. on behalf of the parish, he gives his own to the godfather of her moscow priest, who is the abbot in the village of zdvizhevka, a mandate from... the parish community of this church to the effect that he gives a mandate to the effect that the priest would give him the church building as a private property, and it was formalized, and it was in the state register, yes, yes, that was exactly the case,

not on me, on father vasiliy, because the notary said, he says, you can't immediately, you have to give it as a gift, the church has to give it to someone, and then you... because i do not trust people in ukraine now, and we have been with the city council and the secretary for almost a month city ​​councilors, lawyers all gathered, we reached the minister of justice, thank god, there are patriotic people there, but the anti-raider commission sat for two or three months, and it was terrible, it was turned back with such difficulty, the parishioners did not even know about it, they say ... they are taking away our church, i tell the grandmothers at the meeting, i say, look, you don't have it, it was donated, it is privately owned, there is no legal framework for them, they believe, and this is precisely the moscow church

- it is one of the centers that generates corruption in ukraine, they are used to negotiating with all different ways, and these ways are corrupt. only a year ago, on january 6, 24th, in the church of the pochaiv icon of the mother of god in bucha, the first festive service in the ukrainian language took place. and during this year, while we in the parliament fought for the fence. roc, student activists tried to return not only one church to ukrainians, but all the parishes of their community. as a result, after the vote of the people's deputies, there is no longer a russian orthodox church in ukraine, all 13 churches of the bcmp in the buchansk community have moved to autocephalous church. to date, for a year in the uchansk community, we have no parishes, no moscow patriarchate. all our temples have been transferred according to the current law. of ukraine. we did not wait for the verkhovna rada

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greetings, my name is yuriy fizar, this is an espresso interview, and today it is about the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to the united states of america, which is quite long visit, he arrived there as early as sunday evening, is still there, now at this very moment he is meeting with the 45th president of the united states of america, donald trump. so, who will you meet? i talked about what he talked about, and what are the pros and cons of this visit, about this and other things, i will talk with my guest today, volodymyr horbach, executive director of the institute of transformation. northern eurasia, mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, good day, glory to the heroes, and mr. volodymyr, i am right today i read northern eurasia, specifically eurasia, not korea, but eurasia, eurasia, because last time i introduced mr. volodymyr, how about the director of the institute for the transformation of northern europe, here it is completely different, precisely eurasia, because it is necessary to include the transformation of russia as well, maybe someday we we will transform it,

but today is not about that, today, as i said, we are about volodymyr zelenskyi's visit to the northern region. america, eventually to the united states of america, to about his meeting. mr. volodymyr, we will detail all the nuances in the course we will discuss conversations. now i just want your general impression of this visit. well, i'll start by saying that since president zelensky extended his visit for one more day, you said, yes, from sunday evening, now it's almost friday evening, so maybe you would think that he enjoyed the visit, and he continued his stay in the united states for... one more day, but, but no, not this time, the visit became scandalous precisely because of the interaction, communication with ex-president trump and his by the team, yes, the so-called trumpists, including the speaker of the lower house, the house of representatives, mike johnson, that made

this visit scandalous, because of the election struggle, let's say, internal. political struggle in the united states, but the final results will be summed up, i think, when the president returns home and the decisions he will make at home, so to speak, including in the internal personnel policy of ukraine. we'll see, we're waiting for his return, but now let's start with, well, not the main one, but one of the main ones. volodymyr zelensky planned and met. with the current president of the united states of america, joe biden, and with the candidate for the presidency, kamela harris, i watched these interviews from those, then i re-read the transcripts, and from all that i saw, i felt that they were, well it was announced very seriously and pathetically, from everything that happened,

it seems to me that these were some, unfortunately, it seems to me, meetings for the sake of meetings, nothing new. well, since we're not were participants of neither these nor previous meetings, then we can hardly assess what was new said in the closed part or not, we can guess and even discuss it, but what i agree with, what you say, here is the so-called or the same plan of victory, which was widely announced, and i will even promote it in the media. all specially in order to focus, attract attention to this, he formulated certain expectations, expectations both in ukrainian society and among our foreign partners, including americans in the united states, they expected that zelensky's victory plan is what they usually understand by the word plan, and we list actions one, two,

three, four, and from these actions, well, a single common strategy emerges. the goal and that it is really something new, but by and large the comments of the western press boil down to the fact that this is all this so-called plan, it does not change any strategy, is not essentially something new, a new plan, just that there are new requests or demands or insistence to increase aid to ukraine, first for all military and security assistance, well, there are different types of weapons. methods and so on, striking deep into russian territory, all this is correct, this is what we need, not just here and now, but we needed it yesterday and the day before yesterday, but, but we lacked it, oh, but there are others, there are other nuances, besides, in addition to this list of equipment, weapons and funds that

we need for victory, there are also economic ones. well, a direction or section, some diplomatic assistance, and political, which is typical, and military, economic, political and diplomatic, four, so to speak, trunk lines or directions, if it gave the impression that there should be some comprehensive measures or a comprehensive plan, but there seems to be no clear list of what is needed, what, what in all other issues, except for the military we can do, well, i still, it seems to me that there are no military personnel there. well , our partners are talking about this, and again there is a list, but there is no list, what we will do to make it with... well, i think that the military here, there are, there are military aspects that the military knows, what to do, and no need to prompt and no need to interfere. well, but what i would like to pay attention to, what

i am interested in, what interested me the least is the political part, yes, which, which, which political aspects may appear in this plan, and it is obvious that this what president zelenskyi and the ukrainian side should offer to our partners, well, not that, in exchange for weapons and money, but well, at least accompanying this process from their side, and a clear description of exactly what it is, well, it is mentioned somewhere, well, political reforms, for example, but what kind of political reforms, are these elections, are they changes to some general democratic legislation, are they changes to the constitution, after all, yes, which will allow something to be flexible in something else? on the contrary , not to concede something, we do not know this yet, unfortunately, maybe in such, i would say so, not public part of the negotiations,

which we do not learn about from official reports, maybe there will be comments, but not unofficial reports , perhaps the ukrainian side offered the biden administration some steps towards meeting their wishes, and these wishes were sounded earlier and will continue and were not finally satisfied. and this is the topic of the fight against corruption, and the personnel issues related to it, which are worth solving, should be solved, to have closer and more trusting relations with the administration of joseph biden all this time, which have not been solved. well, i want to remind you that on the eve of state secretary blinkin's visit to kyiv at the beginning of september, one of the deputy heads resigned, apparently on his own mr. shurma of the president's office. and this, in principle , fit into the expectations of our partners, right? there is another deputy to the head of the office named tatarov, who is also criticized by many,

many journalists and public figures, and i understand that also by foreign diplomats, well, not publicly, but, but they make it clear that this is a personnel problem, including the problem in ukrainian-american relations, well, maybe this decision, or similar... decisions will be adopted, or were adopted, or was it promised to do something like that, something like that for in order to, well, if not get full support there for the victory plan, then at least the decisions that were announced yesterday about providing ukraine with financial support there, in the amount of almost 8 billion dollars, this could be an additional argument for a positive decision, let's say , but again , we will see all this only after president zelensky returns to kyiv. and well, we will observe his decisions, especially personnel decisions, they may not be made immediately, they may not be on the second day, not on the third day,

but some reforms in the government and in the office of the president must take place most importantly, well , we'll see, we'll wait for the president to return, but look, here's one more thing, i'll be honest, this is exactly the topic i planned to discuss with you a little later, but since you they started talking about it, i started with the main thing. come on, let's talk about one more thing, of course, these conversations that we don't know about, they happened on the sidelines, what was said on camera, it's just general, in general terms, both president joe biden said, and candidate in president kamela garis that the united states of america will always be with ukraine until the victorious end and will help ukraine, that is, nothing new, but on september 21 volodymyr zelenskyi... told journalists that there was already an online meeting with the russians regarding future negotiations , what do you think, in all of this, could there have been any pressure from

the united states of america regarding this, and how is it possible, is this all connected somehow, well, i am familiar with this media report that about well, about this statement, and i know that it is of this kind negotiations, even not... not direct, as they say now, but online somewhere through the internet, they are still conducted through a mediator, that is, everyone in the conference is present, but everyone addresses the mediator, and the mediator communicates with both parties in turn, and with ukrainian and with russian, here it is important to know what the topic of these negotiations was, because the fact that such negotiations are conducted, for example, on the topic of the release of prisoners or hostages or civilians who somewhere on... legally obtained on on the russian side, all this happens through mediators, we have heard about turkish mediators, about qatar, we have heard about the united arab emirates, but for

the united states... to act as a mediator in the ukrainian-russian conflict, we have never heard of this before, i think that this has never happened before, at least the official position of the white house and the state department remains that ukraine itself should decide what and how, how to conduct negotiations, when to conduct negotiations, under what conditions, that is, for now the united states, well, in this way, some very tough or decisive ukrainian the party was not pressured, well, at least we are about us nothing is known about it, most likely it is so, so it is... there is, but some informal influences, advice, there, wishes, formulation of one's expectations, it can be, and it sounds in the public space, and by and large , and the government of the united states or the administration of president biden, and the rest of our western, our partners, our friends, in fact, those who help us, and their expectations are still leaning lately towards a certain, if

for ... the frost of the conflict, that is about the main, key, what is most important to stop, stop military actions, all this is very reminiscent of the phrase of presidential candidate zelensky back then, and he says , how to stop, well, just stop, stop shooting, everything is very simple, well, it seemed then, now it is, and he doesn’t think so anymore, but it still seems to our partners, and which are not included directly, then, then the question, but does it exist at all, in your opinion, or can it? the news of a diplomatic freeze of the war. diplomacy can be used to freeze, as you say, war, but only after politicians decide, and politicians can decide about it, yes, politicians they will make political decisions and instruct diplomats to formalize them in some way. diplomats will find a way to arrange, a huge selection of tools. it would

only be too. it is called political will for this, political will comes from politicians, and politicians cannot afford it, primarily for internal political reasons, but society, well at least ukrainian society, simply does not accept, does not accept, the terms of the kremlin's capitulation will not accept, well, this must be understood, and the russian side on other terms than the capitulation of ukraine is not going to happen, therefore , a diplomatic solution of finding a compromise, yes... such a solution that would satisfy both sides simply does not exist, and what can happen, well, what conditions must be met so that at least the hostilities stop, well active phase of hostilities, i am not talking about a complete settlement there, i think that it is not possible, but a certain cessation of hostilities or remote shelling, it is in principle possible when, then, when some party, in our case preferably russian the federation, its armed forces. for its armed

forces to lose combat capability, that is when they may be exhausted, or whether the armed forces, or the entire society, whether there is the economy, other resources, or the russian society may be exhausted, it may simply be longer and more difficult, but it is already beginning to be felt somewhere , if earlier it felt weak because of this war, well, those who are not physically present at the front and their families, but everyone else, now they will begin to feel it, the next, next year will be especially difficult for them, but here not, relying not so much on russian society, more on the exhaustion of their armed forces, and here it is not even about the mobilization resource, they can and are recruiting new and new, and above all, moral and psychological resources, leadership, generals, officers, and the main thing is the combat capability of their units, they

lose a lot of equipment, a lot of... people, and this inevitably does not go away, it necessarily leads sooner or later at some stage of the battle to exhaustion, to the loss of combat capability, they must be withdrawn from the line front, it's a classic, there are rotations, it 's the same in all armies, but in russia, russian troops have been conducting offensive operations for almost a year now, but they started their offensive campaign with the operation near bakhmut, it seems to be october last year. now we're approaching october again, it's a very long, very long time to be offensive without a break, without a recovery, so i think that it's about, about, about, about, about, about, the moment of breaking, well, we'll see , i would really like, i would really like now the editor told me that before mr. volodymyr and i started the broadcast, volodymyr zelensky was just meeting with donald trump in front of the cameras, in front of the duty officer.