units, they lose a lot of equipment, a lot of people, and it is inevitable that it does not go away, it necessarily leads sooner or later at some stage of the conduct of the battle to exhaustion, to the loss of fighting capacity, they must be withdrawn from the front line, this is a classic, there are rotations , it is the same in all armies, but russian, russian troops have been conducting offensive operations for almost a year now, but they started their offensive campaign with operations near bakhmut, it seems to be october last year, but now we are approaching october again, this a very long, very long time to be offensive without a break, without a recovery, so i think it's about, about, about, about, there might be a tipping point, well, we'll see, i'd love to, i'd love to, now the editor told me that before mr. volodymyr and i started the broadcast, volodymyr zelensky was just meeting with donald trump in front of the cameras, in front of the crowd... they came out and

said something, but now the editor told me that the meeting between volodymyr zelenskyi and donald trump has begun, well, it will be interesting already later on the espresso broadcast, you can see what was agreed upon, if anything was agreed upon, because it is difficult to talk to donald trump, well, in the end, it is difficult to get some things from him, which can then be understood, what, what, what, what is meant , but we will see, we will wait, how it will be, and we will return to this, as you have already called it, a little scandalousness of this visit, what was added, and so volodymyr zelensky went to military munitions factory located in pennsylvania is a state called the state who wavers during the elections, that is, they can't figure out who they should vote for, the republicans or the democrats, so he went to this factory, it's great that he went there, it's really good that he met with these people , absolutely... i don't mind, the only thing that

seems wrong to me is that he went there with three senators who represent the democratic party, with the election on november 5th to go well, a month and how much and a week, well, two weeks, i think it was far-sighted to go short-sighted, even more short-sighted, i think it was a few days ago to talk on the air of one of the american tv channels about... the speech of the candidate for vice president from the republicans, that is, the one who can work with donald trump, jaydy vance, as volodymyr zelensky called his statements by j. d. vance about ukraine, that at some point we should sacrifice our territories, although i, as a ukrainian , do not agree with this, of course, but volodymyr zelenskyy called on the air of the american tv channel too radical statements, it was not liked, if in the first case during the case. the visit of volodymyr zelenskyi to

the military plant with senators, democrats, it was not liked first of all by the trumpists who are represented in the house of representatives, as well as in the senate of the congress of the united states of america, and there even, one of the leaders, one of the committees, the house of representatives even initiated the investigation, but again he is part of this trumpist group, they didn't like it, the trumpists want an investigation, why, because... they consider this to be an influence on the election campaign in the united states of america, so in the second case, when volodymyr zelenskyi called jaydy vance's statements too radical, i have already searched, not even trumpists, who are dissatisfied with this, for example, senator john cornyn, who can replace mick mcconnell , this is the incumbent, the republican leader of the senate, and by the way, this john cornen was one of

the 22 republicans who voted for the allocation of aid to ukraine, when the trumpists blocked the allocation of this aid, this is what this senator said on the air of one of of american tv channels, quote: i believe that this is a colossal miscalculation of president zelenskyi, if he wants ukraine's support, he should stay away from american politics, and by the way, the same, practically the same, well, practically word for word... was also created by his colleague, who was also one of the 22 senators who voted for the allocation of aid to ukraine, this is senator vip john thum, thune, so you understand, this senator vip john thune, he even argued last year with by ron desantis, the governor of florida, who said at the time that support for ukraine has nothing to do with american security at all, and therefore we need to rethink support for ukraine, and this particular senator said that no, it was support for ukraine in this war with russia. is a very

important element in the american security policy, so both of them did not even wave a finger at volodymyr zelenskyi, and they clearly said: if you want help, don't get involved. in american politics, mr. volodymyr, there are more questions than answers, are there any answers? ah, well, there are questions, and answers, there are even options for answers you can, you can, you can go over it, but i will say this here that this advice not to get involved in the domestic politics of the united states or in the american elections is a very practical advice, and if it had been done before the visit, it would not have been worth it. council, but now it already looks like a scandal, conflict and accusations, including from the side of american senators or members of the chamber, or congressmen, that is the main key problem and miscalculation, i will put it this way, a mistake of the ukrainian delegation, not

only the president zelensky, he heads it delegation, but there were people who prepared, conducted negotiations and so on, the key strategic thing is that... uh, when you come, that when there are presidential elections in america, especially with such fervor, passions and the stakes are so high, so high in them, it's like stepping into a minefield, you never know where something will blow you up, where, where, where the mine is laid, whether you, or you will be blamed or in the fact that you said something wrong, or in the fact that you did not say, this can also be perceived as a fault, did not say in someone's support or in... the justification and the beginning, as we now see, of the problem was laid when president zelensky announced that he wanted to present his victory plan not only to president biden, as the current president, on whom the decision depends here and now, but and both candidates for the presidency,

so to speak, to cast their fishing rod for the future, and build there, try to establish a connection and build with... both candidates, in the event that one of them will still win, but we will work with them, continue this plan, and this was, in my opinion, a critical mistake of ours, our ukrainian strategy in this case, which did not take into account the psychotype of donald trump, he is not the kind of person who will put up with the fact that he is put on the same board with his opponent, yes, he immediately we now learn from the press that he wanted to meet with president zelensky on his territory, at his maralago ranch in florida, yes it was... it would be private, in a private atmosphere, just be, well, as with before orban, zelenskyi would have been just such a private guest at donald's estate trump, and our side quite rightly regarded this as undesirable, because it

would really be a good idea to signal to society that zelensky is a friend of trump , they are friends and everything will be fine, and this is a form , so to speak, of almost campaigning for trump. the ukrainian side asked for a meeting on neutral territory, and it is obvious, well, donald trump's election headquarters did not like him personally, and therefore the pressure on the visit to pennsylvania, that's all, everything started to build a scandal already on this, if you did not agree to our terms, then you are an enemy, then you work for our competitor, donald trump said so that it is clear that zelensky is interested in the victory of kamala haris, therefore... he is behaving like that, although in the very visit to this plant there was absolutely no, there was nothing that was seditious or campaigning, the fact that congressmen, republicans were not invited there, maybe there was some

kind of malfunction, i think lynsey graham i would definitely go, er, well, they are all confined to their constituencies, to their election campaign and on to someone else's territory. to waste time, there will be no time, there is something there, and the fact that, well , the nuances are not taken into account here, that this is after all the hometown, well, the city where the current president biden was born, what kind of factory is there, and therefore trump and his his team still perceives biden as their main opponent, it was as if it was not appreciated not to me at the ranch, but to him in his homeland, so jealousy is certain, well, there are many psychological nuances, which in fact. well, they don't speak badly about zelenskyi, but rather about the ukrainian delegation, yes, they say badly they are talking about donald trump, his psychology and his assessment of approaches, this is a certain hysteria, narcissism, well, and other characteristics, we know him from his previous presidency, and

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psyllanyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. well, let's continue, as usual, my name is yuriy fizar, with me in the studio is volodymyr horbach, the executive director of the institute for the transformation of northern eurasia, and we continue to talk about the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to the united states of the states of america, what happened during this visit, with whom he met, what he talked about, and so on, and by the way, while you were watching the advertisement, information appeared, literally bits of information about what was happening. already, because this meeting is probably taking place somewhere now behind closed doors, behind closed doors, which happened during

the meeting of joe biden and volodymyr zelenskyi’s approach to journalists, so volodymyr zelenskyi at the meeting with trump stated that they have a common point of view , trump did not miss his favorite topic and once again reminded about it, reminded everyone, because we have already heard it many times, what he has. relationship with putin, and volodymyr zelenskyi answered this, i hope that our relationship with you is still better than with putin, well, i would like it to be better than with putin, but never... you know what kind of you have a relationship with donald trump, because he is a man who can become president, but as we know, even in the position of president, this man could say one thing today, another thing tomorrow, the day after tomorrow go back to the first one, and that's why, but i would like that the relationship between volodymyr zelenskyi and donald trump would still be better than that between trump and putin, and that they

would agree on something, resolve all the current problematic situations between them arose mr. volodymyr. something, well, i have the impression that relations between trump and zelenskyy have never been worse than yesterday and the day before yesterday, and this was the bottom, so to speak, the peak of the decline of these relations, because donald trump, in principle, at his rallies , communicating with their the voters and the press, well, if you were to use sarcastic criticism of president zelenskyi and of ukraine in general as such, that is, in principle, by and large, it would be possible to work. anti-ukrainian propaganda, well, this is a style, this is a showman, we must understand that we are dealing with two showmen, well, people from show business who came to politics from show business, people who are quite narcissistic and perhaps historical in places, especially donald trump, and here is their meeting today, it could bring, well, an explosive mixture, lead to

a huge, even bigger scandal, because the way communication took place between... between our delegation and trump's headquarters and the republican party is a scandal, and it is very interesting and unexpected that this scandal is now being tried to be covered up, and both sides, formally ukrainian party approached donald trump's staff for the arrangement of this meeting, which is now taking place, but given everything that has been said before by republicans, others there... and trump himself, that that they agreed, it means that it was, it coincided with their wishes, donald trump obviously feels that he will lose the election campaign, and when they began to scandalize zelenskyi, probably emotionally very strongly, hysterically, i would even say so, then they gave a signal to their own voters, well, to other

observers of the american elections that they are in a bad situation, hysteria is a manifestation of weakness, and... this happens when a candidate or a team feels that they have already lost, that they are about to lose something, and today's sociology also says that, well, about 7%, 5-7% behind in the rating trump is separated from harris, and something must be done about it, and the scandal with 7 and the scandal with zelensky does not add anything, it does not add new voters to donald trump, and there are not enough old ones, so we have to fight for ukrainians. voters of ukrainian origin in the states, and that is why it is necessary to put up, that is why trump decided to meet with zelenskyi, it is necessary to put up with zelensky, so everything that politicians say during the election campaign, you should not believe that they are saying it honestly, behind it is the direct interest of their strategies to win voters' votes, they will to say anything to please and win

the election, and trump is not an exception here, on the contrary, he is the gold standard of such... that is, he can say yesterday that zelensky is some small pins to him, he is sticking your favorite president, that is, me, this is a quote , yes, trump's communication with his voters, and today he can already speak, meet, invite, receive on his territory. well, then the question is, look, we understand that trump is trying to bring back, as you say, to bring back the ukrainians, voters of ukrainian origin, in particular, and not only, not only, but also those people who are not of ukrainian origin, but support ukraine, will this meeting help the ukrainian side, somehow somehow correct the situation in

which they found themselves, well, if today will do without a scandal, then yes, well, at least it will soften... it will soften this feeling of a certain scandal and such a feeling of catastrophism, and what will happen to our relations if trump wins, you see, what a bad relationship between the presidents, they would quarrel with each other one, and accordingly the aid will stop and we will be forced to capitulate, these are expectations, pressures could have been, now after this meeting, you can soften these eyes, it's not... soften these expectations, no, not everything can be like that bad, you can go back to the previous one, for a week at least, yes, before that, trump is not... not friends or supporters of ukraine and never have been and never will be, and it is impossible, so to speak, to encourage them

our side, but it is not necessary to position oneself as their enemies there and to pretend to be under their dissatisfaction, it is necessary again, if you have already gone to the minefield, then walk very, very carefully and do not step on the same mine twice, in this case... well, it seems to me that the ukrainian side, the ukrainian authorities, now for the second time made the same mistake as in 2019, when there was a phone call between trump and zelensky, and this started the impeachment procedure of president trump. this does not mean that it is not necessary to communicate at all, but it is necessary to bypass critical points, election campaigns and some political crises, and understand who we are with, well, ukraine is talking in this situation, with which psychological ones. the peculiarities of this politician or presidential candidate, well, they are, yes, inseparable, they are natural for him, and this

must be taken into account, it seems to me that you are saying that you do not step on the same mine twice, there are even probably two mines here, so what should be taken into account that president trump may become president, may not become president, but the trumpists will still remain in the congress, and therefore in any case there are even those two mines here, so let's move on to another one, but still yes, speaker... the house of representatives is the lower house of the american congress. mike johnson wrote a letter and proposed, he didn't even propose, he expressed a demand, it was a demand to release the ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, oksana markarova, it was still some kind of failure embassies, maybe embassies together with the office of the president, because they were preparing this visit, well, back to this to pennsylvania and to this armed as far as i understand, i could be wrong, i did not prepare this visit, not dedicated in detail, but from an outside observer, as far as

i understand, the initiative to visit this particular plant came from the ukrainian side, because this plant is really important for us, for our defense capability, it not only produces shells, but also missiles, or elements for patriots, yes that anti-aircraft, it's very important, the state senator is shapiro, a democrat, he 's the host, he's the organizer actually, he has to be present during, during this meeting, because well, this is his territory, he is not a republican, he can invite some representatives of the republican party may not be invited, the ukrainian side in principle most likely did not think about this, and about such a context, because in the summer, in july, when president zelenskyi was in the states, he... was a previous visit, he was in state, it seems utah, there the republican governor, respectively, signed some kind of agreement on partnership between

this state and which ukrainian region, oblast and ukraine, it was the same here, so it seems to be symmetrical situation, there were no democrats there either and nothing, joseph biden, then he was still a candidate for the presidency, he didn't throw any tantrums, so, well, it's normal, but... but you see, with donald trump and the republicans, it doesn't work out that way, if they want to find a catch, they'll find any, and here, well, maybe the embassy, ​​or the ambassador, or someone in the embassy should have calculated and suggested and worked out this issue, it was not mandatory, i say once again, it is ukraine's fault here no, but in the risk assessment, they probably did not underestimate the risks, especially since president zelensky, when as soon as he arrived in the states, he gave... an interview to the american press, i think it was the new yorker magazine, but we saw this video, where, in principle , zelensky himself began to speak and not only about

jay divens, absolutely correct, we agree with his assessments, but perhaps they should not have been expressed at this moment, it could have been said earlier, and before the visit and looked at the reaction or later, because , well, not for... the effect of these speeches, well, i immediately suspected that this man had come to campaign for our opponents for of ours, mr. volodymyr, well, it looked like this, well, it really looked like this, about such an overzealous american consumer, it could look like this, it could, i agree with this, but once again, in this case, the key issue was to address the presidential candidates , in addition to dealing with the current president, it was probably worth limiting yourself. in the promotion of these national interests of ours and this plan of victory, as it is called by our side, well, by the name, with the official authorities,

then... there would not be, there would not be these, there would not be b the context of the election campaign, and maybe we would have managed to avoid a scandal, but unfortunately, we did not succeed, unfortunately . yes, one more, one more speech, one more visit of volodymyr zelensky during his visit to the united states of america at the united nations general assembly. this was volodymyr zelenskyy's third speech during the full-scale invasion. mr. volodymyr, how many more such speeches should there be, well, these speeches are about nothing. i understand the first speech in... in the 22nd year, the world needs to be consolidated, heard the president of ukraine, who consolidates the world in support of ukraine. 22nd year, 23rd year, well, even more, you have to work a little there, 24th year, address from this high platform again the same things that you said in the 22nd, in the 23rd, and the result is the same none, well, here i agree that, by and large, such a result, which we would like to expect, will not happen. it

was not there in the past years, although the diplomats say that there are still a number of countries there, there will be a vote for the resolution, maybe in the near future, we are there and we will count these votes, if we compare it with the previous resolutions, it is , so to speak, well, also a certain distribution of forces in the world, and therefore we need to go, we need to speak, we need to meet, we need to convince in the year, in the 23rd, 24th year, here the problem is not in ukraine and not in our speeches and not in... this is the whole problem in the system of the united nations organization, but this does not mean that this site should be bypassed, or if there was another, another, another speech at this general assembly, the president of argentina miley, when he went and spoke, and in his speech characterized the un as an absolutely meaningless, powerless organization, that is, he criticized them, but he went to them and

criticized them there. well, the gesture is beautiful, the gesture is effective, but i don't think that it will benefit argentina, this kind of general criticism of everything and everything, without any specific, or without proposals, or constructive, or without, or with such proposals that are not evaluated as realistic , that is, still, even miley with a critical attitude, still uses the podium to criticize the very system of the united nations organization. that's why we live in such a world, unfortunately, and at such a moment, the un of course needs to be reformed, like the entire system of international relations, but in what way will it be reformed, whether in a legal way, or where the rights of such nations as ours and small, small states, or in a powerful one, where the rights of only the strong will be ensured, all others, well, so to speak, will

voluntarily adjust to their interests. er, so-called great powers, and if the un system is reformed, then probably only after another very global upheaval, which is called world warriors, but after every world war , the world order changes, is consolidated by some new system, new, new bodies are created, someone may be later, there was a league of nations, we know after the first world war, after of the second world organization of the united nations, well, after the third... maybe they will find another name, well, let's see, of course, i would not like this shake-up to happen, but with human, albeit with an inhuman called volodymyr putin, nothing is known. well, thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, for today's conversation, it was very interesting to talk about the visit of the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, to absorb this visit from different angles to the united states of america, what he said, who he met with, and what is the benefit of of this visit, and what problems should be

addressed. attention was discussed in great detail, very reasoned, mr. volodymyr, as always, answered my question, thank you very much, volodymyr horbach, executive director institute of transformation of northern eurasia. well, due to lack of time, i have to finish today's espresso-interview. as usual, my name is yuri fizer and see you soon. news time on the espresso tv channel. iryna koval works for you in the studio. i'll just tell you about the most important events now. the russians struck.