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the united states of america trump vs. harris, republican vs. democrat, what do the presidential candidates say about support for kyiv? they insulted each other non-stop, and how do they see the end of the war in ukraine? peace plans, behind-the-scenes games and everything you need to know about the us election and its impact on the fate of ukraine. in the radio svoboda video podcast. state situation. today in the program verdict with serhii rudenko. another meeting is needed. after the washington conversation with zelenskyi, biden convenes a summit of the leaders of the countries of the contact group on the defense of ukraine in germany. what they can announce in two weeks at the next ramstein. hunting for f-16. the russians are persistently attacking ukrainian

military airfields in hopes of targeting western-made fighter jets. why is the so far small fleet of battle falcons bothering the enemy so much? progress in defense production. ukraine increases the production of its own weapons every year and ammunition several times. is the ukrainian military-industrial complex able to completely cover the needs of the armed forces. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy ordenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. let's talk, of course, about zelenskyi's american tour. today zelenskyi met with trump, yesterday with... biden and harris, what

happened there and what are the prospects for the perception of zelenskyi's victory plan in washington. well, in addition, let's talk about the internal problems that exist in ukraine, and in particular, regarding the production of weapons, and regarding the next election campaign, which may take place, as the british publication the economist writes, in 2025. during the whole broadcast we have. there will be several groups of guests, in the first part of our program there will be yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics, general serhiy krivonos and aviation expert valery romanenko. in the second part of our program, which will begin in exactly one hour, we will have journalists, my colleagues olga len and andriy yanitskyi. however, before starting our big conversation today, i suggest you watch a video on... the traces of another terrorist

act by the russians, the russians shot at izmail in odesa region, three civilians, unfortunately, died, 16 others were injured, four high-rise buildings were damaged and more than fifty private homes, tomorrow has been declared a day of mourning in the city.

eternal memory to the dead and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast, we are working live, let me remind you tv channel, as well as on our platforms, on facebook and youtube, we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about the following : will... the us continue to help ukraine in the event of trump's victory, what do you think about this? if you believe that the united states of america will continue to help ukraine if trump wins (0800-211-381), no (0800 211-382). all calls to these numbers are

free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. we have the same survey on youtube, there is pretty much everything there simple, yes, no, two options, if... you have your own version of what will happen if trump wins the presidential election in the united states of america, please leave them in the comments below this video. i would like to introduce today's first guest, yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. so, mr. yevgeny, the big american tour is coming to an end. volodymyr zelenskyi, there were high hopes for the results of this tour, and we can see how dramatically zelensky's meetings with the leaders of the united states of america, the current president of the united states of america, the vice president and the candidate of the republican party in

the elections, donald trump, are going. perhaps the most important meeting was with joseph biden, during the meeting with the ukrainian. leader, the president of the united states of america announced a new military aid package for ukraine, and zelenskyi presented his victory plan. let's hear what said biden and what zelensky said. i directed the pentagon to allocate all funds remaining in the security assistance until the end of my term, which is january 20. we must also provide ukraine with sufficient resilience against future russian aggression, and i am proud of those steps. which we have already done for this together with our partners, and to make it clear, russia will not win the war, ukraine will win, and we will be with you every step of the way. it is very important that we share the same vision of a secure future for ukraine in the eu and nato. ukraine does an unprecedented number of reforms along the

way. our teams work together to implement the winning plan presented. we greatly appreciate your leadership. i also thank the united states for its bipartisan support. mr. yevgeny, how do you assess the results of zelenskyi's american tour? i think that if volodymyr zelenskyi's team did not create a certain information hype around the victory plan, it would be easier to evaluate these results more adequately. now many have a situation where they were watching a thriller, a political thriller, as there is, how to say, a servant of the people. in a short house, and it’s such a short moment is enough, well, less than a week in fact, but still yesterday we believed that donald trump would not meet with volodymyr zelenskyi,

then he changed his mind from a formal point of view , volodymyr zelenskyi has nothing to do throw, he met with biden, with harris with... but i personally have a feeling that behind these political squabbles, behind this cross-party jostling, the content of the peace plan is somewhat lost, i think that literally tomorrow its full content will be published by the western media, and then we will have a better, more complete understanding, but this is on the one hand, on the other hand, well, we can already see. that the decision may be as quick as that zelenskyi and his team were counting on, that everything will happen right here and now, because in his comment it was said that the plan is designed for quick decisions during october and december, well, i think

it will be a little naive expect them, especially since not only the presidential campaign will continue until november 5, but also the campaign with... elections to the house of representatives, and i still have the feeling that they forgot about her in kyiv, despite the fact that it was the house of representatives that played the most important role. on the border of 2023-2024 in the matter of allocation of financial aid to ukraine from the united states, that is, there is, well, there is something to talk about, there is something to work on, but i think that in any case this dialogue is necessary, because the status of strategic partners , which are ukraine and the united states can be filled exclusively with real steps, and for today... the moment the main question is whether the bipartisan support of ukraine from

the democrats and republicans has been preserved. unfortunately, i have certain doubts about this, but i think that, well, we will see in the near future, actually from the actions and statements of western politicians. but we know, mr. yevgeny, that on october 12, a four-way meeting will be held in germany. with the participation of joseph biden, the prime minister of great britain, the president of france, the chancellor of germany, and they will discuss, among other things, the situation in ukraine and will discuss, as already the ukrainian peace plan was announced, the white house informed about it, whether it is the ukrainian peace plan or the victory plan, there is also a question here, whether this is the plan that was made public in switzerland. volodymyr zelenskyi, is this a victory plan that no one in ukraine has seen yet, but we see comments in some

western media, and there were yermak's comments regarding the invitation of ukraine to the north atlantic alliance, that this is one of the points, could this be a delayed decision , or delayed response to biden's victory plan, announced already after this meeting of four. countries, you see, mr. serhiy, the issue is that western politicians, they do not live in monomajority conditions, even if in britain the conservative party won the parliamentary elections now, and keir starmer became the prime minister accordingly, sorry, labor won, and accordingly, they will now... solve primarily the social problems of british society, after

more than 10 years of conservative rule. we have to, if we want some changes, some help, then it should be clearly defined financially i don't see how the house of representatives is going to vote on any appropriations that biden is going to propose by november 5th unless...they didn't do it nine months ago, i don't see how the german bundestag, where there's a traffic light coalition, which is feverish enough, will vote for something similar, for a significant increase, especially since there was a discussion about a possible reduction in financial aid to ukraine, when there are parliamentary elections next year and the positions of the social democrats, whose symbol is olaf scholz. they are quite shaky, let's put it this way, i can't imagine how france, which lives now in

such conditions, well, on the one hand , the barnier government has been formed, and on the other hand , le pen and the leftists, the so- called new popular front, have a sufficiently influential position there, which they too, you know, will pull up their pants and rush to help ukraine and will vote for an increase in allocations to support ukraine. well, we either have to be realistic and understand that changes in the country must start from the middle of the countries. i don't understand how we can appeal to ours partners, when we have parliamentarians, defectors, and there are obviously more than one. i don't understand how we should appeal to our partners when our government, i think not from a good life , announced that we have a deficit of 500 million, because we thought that the war would actually end in the summer, 500 billion, sorry, because the amount is actually

astronomical for ukraine, especially for a warring country. i don't understand how we can appeal to our partners when there are various scandals, primarily related to the fact that we have problems with corruption. they constantly fever the ruling elite, i.e we, as a count, we count, you understand, we count on the level of empathy for ukraine. which was at the beginning of the russian invasion, but now this empathy has significantly decreased, and let's not deceive ourselves, there are enough politicians, enough influential businessmen in the west who believe that this war must be ended as soon as possible, because the money that goes, well, to help to ukraine, of course, they are

not huge on a global scale, although the amount of aid, i think, is about 100 billion. dollars already at the moment, but it is not even a significant percentage the american military budget, that is, we see a certain dual position of the west, and when i hear the words that biden says that he will not allow russia to win, then i hear his other words that he said that he has already defeated putin, you will feel ... do you see biden's victory over putin? i think that biden has his own vision of victory, why i always ask ukraine about the victory plan, because for me the victory plan is the plan to defeat putin, but no leader, western leader and our

western partner, says that putin , putin's regime must be defeated. they talk about the victory plan, about the fact that ukraine should win, but they don't say for what, under what conditions. it seems to me that the main condition of the plan for the victory of ukraine should be the plan for the defeat of putin and putin's russia. unfortunately, this is not the case. well, i don't know if zelensky talked about it with kamala harris, the candidate for the presidency of the united states of america from the democratic party, but after meeting with the president of ukraine, she said that she agrees with the way ukraine sees it. end of war let's hear what the vice president of the united states of america, kamala harris, said. no one will be able to end this war without the participation of ukraine, but some in our country want ukraine to give up a large part of its sovereign territory. who demands that

ukraine agree to neutrality and renounce its security ties with other countries. the proposals are similar to putin's demands, but let's be clear that these are not peace proposals, they are surrender proposals, they are dangerous and unacceptable. that is, an offer of surrender, mr. yevgeny unacceptable, but also the proposal of the complete defeat of russia in this war, i also understand, is unacceptable, including for kamala garis, did i understand correctly? donald trump today... said that this is not a surrender scenario, that is, he is forced to discuss with his opponent, it is a shame that this is happening against the background of the visit of volodymyr zelenskyi, that is, his idea of ​​​​a peace plan that was supposed to become a sensation, we understand you, that this should be the number one event, true, but uh,

well, we don't actually see such heated discussion in the western press, i'm saying that maybe... we will see it literally over the weekend, that is, literally tomorrow the day after tomorrow, but i have not heard from serious western politicians that they are in favor of dismantling russia, until the idea of ​​\u200b\u200bdismantling russia is heard, it is all a simulation, because the end of the war for today moment, and obviously, if they are going to seek an end to the war in the short term, then from the current... in the current, so to speak, the current contact line, that is, the korean scenario or any other scenario, as we will say, it is for ukraine, so a respite, but a respite for russia, and it will use it to get as many new technologies, new equipment, get new

resources, sell something to the west, except, for example, rosatom, which made a profit... 25 billion dollars last year, it became about object of sanctions from the west? no, the question arises, why and what, what other moments, and this is not not obviously not an isolated case, true, and we in this sense, how did we before, well, before that, i think that it would be just beneficial for us to communicate with by american energy companies, at least under... the pretext that in we will be there, a rather difficult winter is expected, and we should look for additional opportunities and additional arguments to get through it. and work accordingly. today, mr. yevgeny, volodymyr zelenskyi met with donald trump before the start of the meeting, zelenskyi expressed hope that

his interlocutor also believes that the war in ukraine should be stopped, and putin cannot win, and trump said that he will try to work as he said, with both sides to resolve the conflict. let's listen to what trump and zelensky said. we have a very good relationship, and i also have a very good relationship, as you know, with president putin, and i think if i win, we will resolve this very quickly. i hope we have a better relationship with you. but you know it takes two to tango. we are going to have a good meeting today, i think the fact that we are here today is a very good sign. well, here is mr. evgeny. trump says that he has a good relationship with zelensky and with putin, and zelensky tells him, after all, i i hope that i know we will have a better

relationship, he says about tango and tango is for two, that is, somehow it doesn't work, he wants to cooperate with two, he talks about tango for two, what is actually happening now in trump's election campaign , why are these swings that we see, swings, why, why are they happening, from the side of the republican party, he does not want to meet with zelensky, he does not have time, then he meets, then he repeats those mantras that everyone has already heard about that when he wins, he will end this war, because he knows putin and zelensky very well, let's give credit to volodymyr zelensky, who did not get lost in this situation and skillfully supported the topic that we will have better relations with you, but here still... the situation is that i think that trump is obviously not satisfied with the course of the campaign, because two days ago he talked about the fact

that ukraine no longer exists, and now he agrees to visit it and says that it is a beautiful country. we, well, that is, he has what, various chips with information are inserted somewhere, that is, he says one thing today, another thing tomorrow, and a third thing the day after tomorrow. in principle, this is typical for trump. and it is obvious that his voters are satisfied with this, but for us this approach, well, that is, trump shows everyone what a good president he would be, but if he were a good president for a term in the 20th year, if he were elected, then he would would not be able to run for office now, because he would be president for two terms in a row, so in fact this argument is irrational. clearly, the idea of ​​being in such a tense situation, she, well,

i don't think she was properly thought out, and in fact, i believe that ukraine has found itself in a rather difficult situation due to such an adventurous approach, but in any case, we need to act further, and we need to fill it with substantive content, i believe. but now it should not be presidential diplomacy, zelenskyi will obviously not go, but it should be parliamentary diplomacy, veteran diplomacy, diplomacy, well, if you want, of religious organizations, so that we continue this signal brought by volodymyr zelenskyi that it is necessary peace on our ukrainian terms, and what is peaceful plan, i don't think that there are ukrainian politicians who will refuse to speak responsibly about the fact that we need victory over russia, otherwise they are simply not ukrainian politicians.

and of course, mr. yevgeny, this is the very end of our conversation, i will ask your opinion about what the british newspaper wrote for the economist, i think you read about the predictions of the next year's presidential elections, there, however, ... unnamed the sources referred to by british journalists write about what the headquarters are like are unfolding, work is unfolding, and everyone is preparing there for the elections, whether they will be or not, what is this, another insinuation, or after all, according to your data, there are preparations for the presidential elections in 2025, today i had to answer this question to your colleagues, i offered to predict... the following situation: imagine that an election is announced, and according to the law several dozen

candidates are nominated. who pay a deposit, who begin to criticize the ukrainian state in different voices and say whether we need a mayor, well, that is, within the limits of the law, they will destabilize the situation, as we are against this, as the state of ukraine will oppose this, that is, i do not rule out that there is a demand from western partners and there are hints from western partners that it is necessary... elections, me it is difficult to call volodymyr zelenskyi a supporter of political talent, but i understand that for us at the moment victory is more important, and elections in conditions of war, in conditions of war, presidential elections are the elections of the supreme commander-in-chief, well, in fact, because these are his powers, and how we predict it for itself, for russia, it is profitable to discredit

any potential commander-in-chief. beyond any doubt. thank you, mr. yevgeny. thank you for the conversation, it was evgeny magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, like this video, and participate in our vote. today we are you we ask the following: will they continue? american states help ukraine in the event of trump's victory. what do you think about this? everything is quite simple on youtube: yes, no, two options, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers. if you believe that if trump wins, the united states of america will continue to help ukraine 0800-211-381. no 0800-211-38. all calls to

these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with valery romanenko, aviation expert, leading researcher of the state aviation museum. mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, thank you for the invitation. we, mr. valery, have been watching the russians stabbing starokostiantynov with daggers for the past two days. and we see that obviously the enemy is aiming at or at the military airfield, or at the planes that are stationed at that airfield, if they are stationed there, of course, at thursday, september 26, russian propaganda invented a fake that we supposedly lost four f-16 fighter jets, russian resources published information about this without any confirmation, and apparently it happened after...

an unexpected missile strike. the center for combating disinformation denied the information of russian propagandists about the destruction of the f-16. the information is not true. such messages are another fake aimed at manipulating public opinion. this is a fiction created to reinforce the narrative of the inefficiency of western aircraft. fakes about downing of the f-16, russian propaganda began to spread even before the fighter jets appeared in ukraine. why, mr. valery, is the enemy so bothered by the small f-16 fleet so far? well, they understand that this is a prospect, if we get f-16, if they give them long-range missiles, well, at least, well, let's say 120 km, yes, although i would like these amram missiles of the ts8 model with a range of 160 km, then we will be able to destroy russian cab carriers, what is

destruction? russian kab carriers, or at least endanger these kab attacks, yes, for the russians to reduce their number means the complete emasculation of the russian offensive potential, because they would not have advanced even 100 m with only meat assaults, but when they destroy our strong points and after that start meat assaults, then in their some moderate. there are very slow successes in this regard, because indeed a country that has aviation and is fighting against a country that actually cannot use its aviation has significant advantages, because aviation is in modern warfare, it is not just a terrible force , that's more starting from the second, let's say, from the middle of the second world war, reign.