we'll be back in the studio in a few minutes, don't switch. trump believes that putin wants to stop the war, he said this at a meeting with zelensky in new york, and yes, this meeting took place. let's summarize from. of the ukrainian president to the united states on the bbc broadcast live from london, i'm yevgenia shytlovska. until the last, it was unclear whether trump and zelensky would meet, it was such an intrigue during the entire visit of the ukrainian president to the united states, he came to the un general assembly, met with biden and harris in washington and now back to new york again for the meeting that took place in trump tower, and before sitting down at the table and starting negotiations. the politicians exchanged rather

friendly words and said, in fact, what they would talk about. it is a great honor that the president is with us, he has been through a lot like almost no one in history. we'll have a conversation, we'll see what we come up with, it's a great honor. i think we have a common vision that the war in ukraine must be stopped. and that putin cannot win. ukraine must win. i want to discuss with you. details our plan to win. the victory plan is an initiative that zelenskyi has already presented to biden and harris and now to trump. after the first remarks, trump and zelensky also answered several questions from journalists. and then trump repeated that he can stop russia's war against ukraine as soon as he wins the election. we have a very good relationship, and i also have a very good relationship, as you know, with president putin. i'm sure if we... win, we

'll solve this very quickly, we'll do a very good job, i really think we will let's do it, we'll have an even better relationship, i hope we have a better relationship, but you know, it takes two to tango, and we're going to have a good meeting today, i think the fact that we're together today is a very good sign, well and trump said that the war must... happen and zelensky and putin want it to happen. consider that this whole public part of their meeting lasted a little more than 5 minutes, and then the journalists were asked to leave the room, and trump and zelenskyy were already negotiating behind closed doors. so, according to the results of these of the negotiations, zelenskyi said that they were very meaningful. oleksandr kraev, columnist of the analytical center of the council of foreign policy ukrainian prism, is now in touch with us. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you. on the air

, the republicans actually accused zelensky of meddling in the election by supporting the democrats during this visit, and under such conditions, how important was this meeting with trump? this meeting was extremely important not only because we had certain differences in positions with the pro-baikans, but also simply because that indeed these accusations of alleged interference, these accusations that ukraine took sides, they were actually groundless, because even if we take the example of the visit to the weapons factory... in pennsylvania, then of course it must be understood that this visit was organized the host side, the ukrainian side simply gave its consent to it, and therefore the dispute with trump, which apparently arose solely from domestic political issues, namely because trump felt it necessary to present a counterargument to the active cooperation between biden and zelensky, so this meeting was aimed precisely at resolving all misunderstandings and showing that the ukrainian administration is ready to work with... with

any potential future president of the united states, and zelensky and trump also have a history of their relations , and actually it starts from 2019 with the first impeachment of trump, and even in this short and open part for the press, trump mentioned this impeachment, considering the fact that he mentioned it, how much does it affect zelenskyi's relations and trump? let's put it this way, there is clearly no chemistry between zelenskyi and trump, as political observers like to say, but... the fact that trump understood the need to work with ukraine, the fact that trump can no longer dismiss the ukrainian issue as unnecessary, or in principle cannot to abandon ukraine as an important part of one's own foreign policy, today it became obvious, because we know trump's psychology, we understand that he is offended easily enough, as he himself recently admitted at a rally, he is ready to work only with those people who love him and with no one else, the fact that after a rather complicated relationship... after problems with

impeachment, after the latest publicity of his aggressive reaction to zelensky's visit to pennsylvania, he still agrees to a meeting, and from my point of view, the fact that because of his own ... antipathy and despite this antipathy, trump still contacted zelenskyi, this once again proves that the topic of ukraine, the topic of mutual support, is important to him, regardless of his personal attitude. indeed this meeting took place, though it was not completely clear whether she would be or not, oleksandr, please keep in touch with us, let's return to our conversation, and now let's look at the events of the previous day in washington, when zelensky met with biden, and what is significant, zelensky thanked him for all the years of support. after all, biden's term will end in a few months. at the same time, the american president said that the us strengthened ukraine's position in the field, recalling the previously announced aid package. let me be frank: russia will not win the war. russia will not win. ukraine will win. and we will continue

to support you every step of the way. and after that, zelensky met with kamela garis, the presidential candidate from the democrats, and she assured him of ukraine's support. as i made clear in our six previous meetings, throughout putin's brutal aggression and war against ukraine, my support for the ukrainian people is unwavering. i am proud to support ukraine, and i will continue to support ukraine and work to ensure that ukraine wins this war. the ukrainian people courageously defend their homes and their homeland, their freedom and their democracy. and what these meetings were like in washington, bbc correspondent janie kumach analyzes. i think that president zelensky had two main requests. firstly, it is continuous political support, and secondly, it is military. and these are the two main

directions that zelensky is currently focusing on, because ukraine lacks troops, and the hard winter is about to begin. well, another important event that will happen in a little more than a month is the election of a new one. of the us president, and in relation to the military support, kyiv requires permission to use long-range missiles to strike deep into russia, and so far there has been no public permission for this, and even if these permissions were not given, no one would know about it until the ukrainians start attacking these targets. the usa provided an additional 8 billion dollars to help ukraine, and there are additional weapons. so, president zelensky has to find a balance between gratitude for what has already been done and the need to insist on this key request. from the point of view of political support, i think he is satisfied. because vice president kamela harris, the democratic nominee, has said nothing will change under her administration, that her support is unwavering. and she even said, i think she meant donald trump, that there are some in the united states who would like ukraine to capitulate, and she added that this is not what she would want, and that it was bad

for the united states and for the whole world. so, although trump himself stated that his strategy for ending russia's war against ukraine is not capitulation, although again, no their details. he does not reveal his plans, and we return to the conversation with oleksandr kraev, but zelenskyi went to the usa with his plan for victory, this initiative, in which, as we know, there was a request to allow ukraine to use western weapons against russia, did he receive an answer? publicly, he did not receive this answer in those arms packages that were announced, let me remind you, these are several packages worth about 300 billion dollars, plus one big one announced by biden for almost 8 billion dollars. these packages did not contain the weapons that were there asked, although these packages are of course necessary for the functioning of the defense forces of ukraine, there were no long-range missile weapons there. of course, military experts are now debating whether those planning guided bombs that can be converted

into medium-range missiles can be taken as a kind of substitute for this permission, if that, conditionally speaking, hybridly transforms this permission into the use of similar aerial bombs, but in the same at the time, this was not announced publicly, and it is worth noting that even the reaction to the victory plan that was presented zelenskyi, was quite ambiguous, although a week before the trip, both biden, haris, and trump reacted positively to this initiative, just a few days later even the white house said that there is still work to be done, and the plan really looks raw at the moment. well, that's why this reaction was mixed, because, for example, we saw publications in the american press, for example, the wall street journal, which wrote that this plan will not impress. to washington, why? and firstly, because in many respects he repeated previous plans and previous requests to the american administration, that is, in essence, this victory plan provided, first of all, the continuation of full-fledged military and financial support, as well as, according to various sources, in one

form or another, but certain security guarantees at the level of article five of the washington treaty, that is, the treaty establishing nato. some insiders said that it was planned to join nato in the shortest possible time, some said. that these are similar to such guarantees, but outside of nato, but one way or another it looks like the americans expected more, expected something breakthrough, although at the same time my personal the opinion is that on... more breakthrough and something more, they would still not agree one way or another, and therefore the situation with the victory plan, while we still do not know its final text, remains a certain mystery, but still, if we talk about the results of this week's diplomacy in the connecting states for ukraine, what are they, how was this week in general? this week was full, this week was quite problematic, as we saw in the relationship with donald trump, and with mike johnson, but this week brought its results. if we talk about communication with the current democratic administration, we, ukraine, received new

support packages, assurances of continued cooperation and that, in principle, the strategic narratives of this cooperation remain stable. if we talk about republicans, despite the short-term conflict we had with trump and with the republican establishment, we still saw that interest in ukraine remains, and that the politicized rhetoric of the election period has not really become. preventing even a republican administration or the republican congress continued cooperation with ukraine, therefore, in general, it can be considered that this week, despite all the crisis moments, was quite successful. but whether zelensky managed to win the support of the states, regardless of the results of the elections in advance, is very short. to be very brief, unfortunately, we cannot say so definitively, because trump remains predictable only in his unpredictability, and therefore this conflict that happened this week. clearly may not be the last, mr. oleksandr, thank you a viewer of

the ukrainian prizma foreign policy council analytical center was with us on the air, because zelensky's visit to the united states takes place in the midst of the election campaign, in which kamala harris and donald trump are competing. this is precisely why, as the observers said, representatives of ukraine tried to secure this support of the usa in the future, will secure support that will come after the elections. did you manage to do it? and finally, here is the opinion of the american viewer matthew schmidt from the university of newhaven. on mine view, the visit is going as expected by zelenskyi. it's a tough and stressful time because of the us election, but so far he's been doing well with the trip and he'll be able to get $8 billion in aid for ukraine from the us as soon as possible. but now we are in a position where the us is deciding what to do next. in other words, zelensky provided what was needed for ukraine to last. say, by the beginning of summer, next july. the problem is that it will not happen in six months, but in seven or

eight months, where will the help come from? it is that that the ukrainian president does not control, he is a world leader, but he does not control military production, which puts him in a very difficult situation. i think that in general the american people are on the side of ukraine, they want ukraine to win the war. the problem is that they also want to be able to allow. products, and they see that there's tension between the two countries, or they think there's tension between them, i don't think there is, but it's become a company issue, and the republicans themselves are pushing the argument that whatever if the money, if the dollar goes to ukraine, it means that you get a dollar less, that is, a dollar less to feed your family, or to pay the fuel in your car, that's how they present it, another thing , which the general audience has to remember is that we don't have a national campaign, we have a campaign in the state of pennsylvania and a campaign in

the state of california. so what is happening in the state of pennsylvania, where 7 million american voters who identify as poles and ukrainians, and they influence on the ultimate decision of who ends up in the white house, so that's what's happening on this visit. and that is why zelensky's visit to the kremton ammunition factory. biden's hometown in the state of pennsylvania stirred up the republicans, because pennsylvania is one of several states in which candidates for the presidency of the united states are fighting. well, read more about this diplomatic week on our website bbc.ua, in particular, how zelensky’s meeting with trump went, the meetings with biden and garis, and also how the plan was received in the usa zelensky's victory. a lot of interesting information on our website. and i say goodbye to you, see you on monday,

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what they think, whether the united states of america will continue to help ukraine if trump wins. let's in the format. without a survey, we will answer this question. olga well, i think the first thing trump will do is certainly try to minimize that aid, or at least completely to reject, because this is part of his election campaign, maybe in a year there, something will change, as always they will make a bunch of mistakes, and then something will start to recover little by little, but somehow i have such an impression of trump's position and. .. from what course of action he chooses now. andrei, well, even today we have flows from american budgets, various funds, including through the same usite, for example, and the employees of these funds say that now the funding has actually frozen, that is, the employees expect what

there will be election results and after that it will be clear whether there will be new money or not for new projects. night aid for ukraine, i think that it is the same with all other projects, including military aid, they will not disappear completely, but they can really be minimized. it is interesting that during zelenskyi's current american tour, trump, the candidate of the republican party, just ran into the president of ukraine, roughly speaking, before meeting him, he is at a pre-election rally. in north carolina said that zelensky attacks him address and criticized the president of ukraine, for that, let's listen to what donald trump said. the president of ukraine is in our country, and he makes dirty little attacks on

your beloved president, me. but look at the war going on in ukraine right now. this would never have happened if i were the president, there would not even be a need for a settlement, it would not have happened, period, russia would not have attacked, i... talked a lot about it with putin, well, colleagues, trump is playing the ukrainian card again , and it already happened, as leonid kuchma said, it already happened with zelenskyi, but then it didn't work, because what trump wanted then, trump wanted zelenskyi to revive the case against his then competitor joseph biden, who then won the election and revived the case against joseph biden's son hunter, who was in burism. of the company in the supervisory board, which worked on the territory of ukraine. now again trump is talking about the fact that president zelenskyy is behaving wrongly, doing

something wrong in my address, well, can it be considered personal, or is ukraine finally a significant factor in american politics and especially in the election campaign in the united states of america, ulha. i think both, well, first of all, he really has some personality. trauma in relation to ukraine, in relation to zelenskyi, because he probably really expected to somehow knock out zelenskyi at the beginning of his term, that zelenskyi in the 19th year, well, as you know, nothing happened there, and this obviously greatly complicated further personal relations of zelenskyi and trump, and obviously it is affecting now, of course, but besides that, well, there is also trump's personal attitude towards ukraine. in general, which is most likely formed by his environment, and his such admiration for putin, and his, perhaps, some such personal

authoritarian tendencies, and the third, after all, ukraine is really important, turned out to be for the general election campaign in the united states, and how it not surprisingly, it was trump who made ukraine so important to the election campaign in the united states, because he dragged it out, he would. literally my entire election campaign on one thesis, that as soon as i become president, i will force ukraine to capitulate, well, let's call it that right, as it sounds, and secondly, that i will not give aid to ukraine, because it is, well, we do not need to spend money on ukraine, he made it the main thing in his election companies, accordingly, now we have a very interesting situation in the united states , since this... became the main election issue, which, by the way, was not drawn up right at the beginning of the election campaign, because it was expected that there would be migrants, the issue of the mexican

border there, the issue of everything, but ukraine seems to be talked about less , no, now it has become the main question, more moreover, i think we have this very strange situation now, where the upcoming election will essentially be a referendum in the united states on support. on the question of supporting ukraine, in the literal sense of the word, we will simply see whether the people of the united states want to support ukraine, and depending on this, either trump or kamala harris will win, because everything is very obvious there, and again, in depending on that, we will see everything, everything else, how the policy of the united states towards ukraine will be built. well maybe andrii, this is exactly what it is. that golden time for ukraine, well, relatively speaking, when you can work with headquarters, with two headquarters, without choosing one, as it sometimes happened in

ukrainian politics, and talk with one candidate for the presidency, with another, and show the presidential plan to one candidate victory and others, will we have enough strength and skill not to slip into the one-party state of the united states of america, because trump, when he... did not talk about zelenskyi, that he went there to a factory in pennsylvania, that he plays along with the democrats, went to his native city biden, and that it is actually oksana markarova to blame for everything, and the republicans demanded her resignation, how to preserve this golden mean for ukrainian diplomacy in this situation, because it is too difficult a task, because one is the current vice president of the united states of america, the other is a potential the president of the united states of america, and here between... it's really difficult, first of all, i want to say that ukraine today plays a decisive role,

thanks especially. the electoral system of the united states of america, where we know what is being elected voters in individual states, and then the voters determine the fate of the whole of america, and here in the state of pennsylvania, where there are many immigrants from eastern europe, not only from ukraine, including from poland, the situation is just suspended, there it is not determined who wins, trump or haris, and that's why ukraine has, as they say, a golden share, when... er, no, the other side does not have a complete victory, and that's who the ukrainians support, he has more chances to win, that's why trump also has to reckon with zelensky, that's why trump left to that meeting, although he said that he was not going to meet in advance and even criticized it, but as it turned out that he was even ready to come and talk in person, and what... besides, regarding

the role of markarova, i heard such criticism, even from our high-ranking officials, connected with the president's office, that they are really dissatisfied with ms. markarova's work as an ambassador, that she is quite pro-democratic and that she did not build relations with the republicans as she should, but what can i say, it is difficult for me to evaluate her work, as the minister of finance, she she was beautiful, like an ambassador, i don't know. but now to follow the lead of the republicans and change the ambassador, well, it would be wrong, it would also make ukraine actually dependent on one party force, so i would refrain from criticizing the ambassador and focus on the results of zelenskyi's visit to the states, after all after all, he brought money from there and that's good. i totally agree with you because

actually. and well, one party, even an influential one in the united states of america, cannot decide who will be our ambassador if they there is an agreement from the american authorities, then i’m sorry, it’s not that we don’t like markarova, let’s send someone new there from kyiv, we’ll see if trump wins the election, then he can say that we’re withdrawing agriman in markarova, prepare a new ambassador, well, in any case, he will change. this ambassador is most likely after the election, but the question is not that, you look at how, i would say, the demands of trump's entourage and trump personally have changed in general, because in the last election he demanded that the ukrainian authorities recall the american ambassador in kyiv, and now he is at least closer to that, he has become a reality, well , by the way, if we talk about trump, then of course he has been talking a lot about

zelenskyi these days and... this was in all mass media, of course in the united states of america. he accused the president of ukraine of refusing to conclude an agreement with russia, which allegedly led to the destruction of the country. let's listen to this fairly sharp statement of the candidate from the republican party for the presidency elections in the usa. what do you have left now? three years of terrible fighting, the country is completely destroyed, millions and millions of people, including all these distinguished soldiers, are dead, these magnificent buildings with golden baths are destroyed and lie in ruins, you will never see any cities or towns again, never, they never will restored, they are all destroyed, except kyiv, they were thousands of years old, just

think, 3 years ago you... had a beautiful civilization, now most of the country is gone, so many people died, many people went to poland, to hungary, to other places, they will never return, by the way, this is what he said just a few days ago, and today he already announced on the air of the fox news channel that i will definitely come to ukraine is a beautiful country, well , that is, he is constantly at odds. this whole country is in ruins, then he is going to go to it, what ol, is connected with such and such behavior of trump, i will not give its definition, but he constantly fluctuates, these are the fluctuations that he has is from the fact that we everything was lost, everything was gone and...