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met, these are the first shots of their meeting, which you now see on the screen, they are published by agencies, and zelensky and trump, as you can see, are in good humor. in response to a question from voice of america, donald trump repeated the statement that he can quickly end the war in ukraine if he is elected president, and also said that he has a good relationship with zelensky, but also has a good relationship with putin. the meeting is taking place against the background of scandals accompanying zelensky's visit to the united states of america and previous refusals from this meeting. from the scandals, let's mention at least the accusations by the republicans of the ukrainian delegation of alleged interference in the american elections due to the visit of zelenskyi and the democrats to the enterprise for the production of ammunition in pennsylvania and calls to release the ambassador to the usa, oksana markarova, and trump's own words about the best salesman in history, that is, president zelensky. but that was all before, and what after? now on the screens you will see a screenshot that trump published on one of the social networks, this is probably a message from the ukrainian. parties about

zelenskyi's request to meet with trump. the text says that zelensky considers it necessary to have personal contact with the candidate for the us president from the republicans, because without the united states of america the end of the war will be achieved a just peace is impossible, this text says. trump did not leave any reaction to this post, and despite the fact that at the pre-election rally he generally stated that ukraine as such does not exist, later he still agreed to a meeting that is taking place with... today at the trump tower in new york so to speak, on our own territory, and if we have the actual materials ready, they are ready about what zelensky said to trump, and trump to zelensky, let's listen. we have a very good relationship, and i also have a very good relationship relationship with president putin, i think if we win, we will solve it very quickly. i hope our relationship with you. still,

but you know, it takes two, we 're going to have a good meeting today, so we 're going to sit down and just talk about it, and if we win, i think well before january 20th, before i become president, which is january 20th, but long before then, i think we can do something that will be beneficial to both parties. i will remind you that these are the first words that trump said to zelenskyi, and zelenskyi trump during the meeting, and before this meeting with trump, zelenskyi also met with the candidate for the presidency of the united states of america. kamala harris, vice-president of the democratic party, the ukrainian president said on social networks that he shared with her the details of the victory plan, but we will talk about that later, but now we stop at the meeting with trump and zelenskyi, tatyana is already in touch with us vorozhko, this is the senior editor of the ukrainian voice of america service, tatyana, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, please tell me about the first statements and maybe the first impressions after what i managed to see and hear at this meeting between zelenskyi and trump, as i understand it, it was a kind of pre-meeting with the media, further behind closed doors... there will be the main part of the conversation, yes,

well, in fact, there will be more statements after the conversation no, obviously, it was literally two minutes of the leaders coming out, talking about what they 're going to talk about. i was at a very similar meeting yesterday in the oval office, when for literally a few minutes a speaks, such basic statements are made, but in this case it was the opportunity to also ask questions and answer to hear the answer, well, in addition to what you have already shown, i would say yes, and let's say so, we paid attention to a couple of aspects, to a couple of moments that were heard, and first of all, from president zelenskyi you asked why he needed this meeting, why he needed it right now, well, after all, his own, because actually trump is only... running for the position of president, and zelenskyi explained that if ukraine did not want it, it is unlikely that it would be able to win by november, and therefore it is necessary to work with both candidates, and he hopes to present this victory plan prepared by the ukrainians and hopes that president trump shares his opinion that ukraine

should win this war, the war should end, but it should end, well, i will add, and the victory of ukraine, trump said another such an opinion, you know, he even repeated it twice, and... he said that, let's say, he could do it, that the war must be ended, which he had said before, and again that he will do due to the good relationship he has with both leaders, and with putin and zelensky, you saw that zelensky joked, said that i still think that relations are better with me, well, meaning than with putin, but trump spoke a couple of times about , and he remembered the events of 2019, when he was impeached... actually for putting pressure on a foreign leader, on president zelensky, so that he would, let's say, do him a political favor, but that's it there are accusations, but according to trump, zelensky is, shall we say, stable held his own during this whole process, and did not

say that trump did something wrong, and actually, thanks to this, as trump said, he was, let's say, acquitted by the senate, that is, and this case ended, trump was not guilty. he got his own impeachment, that is, they were not supported by the senate, which at that time was controlled by the republicans, that is , what we heard, of course, is because of these speculations or accusations, which you just mentioned. please tell me, from those videos that are already on the network, we we saw that the head of the president's office, andriy yermak, also came to this meeting with zelensky, and is it known who came with trump, maybe mr. wentz was there, whose statements zelensky criticized there a few days ago in the american media... wentz is there there wasn't, richard grenell was there, this is the former director and the acting director of intelligence during trump's time was there and also, well, people from the team that deals with the donald trump campaign, and vance was not there and of course, that's what it is , this is also interesting

topic to talk about, so please tell me, you said that zelenskyi explained why this meeting with trump was important to him, and does the american press know, perhaps, why trump... changed his mind about meeting with president zelenskyi, the day before almost all the experts agreed that this meeting will not take place against the background of the scandals that were heard, so why did trump change his mind? well, it's very, well, i don't think it's possible to answer this question, we don't know what exactly, what exactly trump was guided by agrees, agreeing to this meeting, but we really heard, well, a lot of such accusations against the ukrainian delegation, against zelenskyi, but we know that in... ukraine maintains support among, support for ukraine remains popular and among a large part republicans, that is, it's, well , let's say, the republican party is divided on this issue, but we also know that ukrainians are, well, also voters, and they are voters in quite such a large number in

key states, in particular in that state pennsylvania, around which this campaign to accuse ukraine actually unfolded. you said about the voters, but in general, how much is the topic of this meeting. in particular, zelenskyi and trump are discussed in american society, how much attention is paid to it by the american media, including? well, of course, this visit was covered very, very much in general, it was very rich in such and such headlines, it is rich in news, and we heard, well, it is very, let's put it this way, it is not a new amount of aid, it is everything that that was announced yesterday for 8 billion dollars, this is all about the use of this amount, which was, well, let 's say. was intended for ukraine as part of the law that was approved in april, in april of this year, but this is a large amount, this is a big decision, patriot, patriot missiles, etc. for coverage, and on the other hand, all this was accompanied by

accusations, and this is a political battle, here, well, there are political races, and a lot of attention is focused on everything that is heard from both camps, so of course yes, it's an asset. was not covered, and this meeting is also to a certain extent the culmination of this in the development of this small scandal that took place during this visit, and well , it looks like maybe... there will be fewer accusations against ukraine. thank you very much , tatyana, for joining in and telling us that the current situation is known. tetyana vorozhko, senior editor of voa ukrainian service, was svoboda live. well, i already mentioned that zelenskyi is accompanied to the usa not only criticism and scandals. against the backdrop of zelenskyi's trip, american president joseph biden announced the allocation of nearly $8 billion in aid to ukraine, and also personally spoke with zelenskyi about his victory plan. however, no one can reveal it at the moment... however, biden promises long-term support to ukraine. we look forward

to helping ukraine succeed in the long term. as you know , better than anyone else, we, as we said at the washington summit, must support ukraine on its path to eu and nato membership and to continue the reforms aimed at fighting corruption and strengthening democracy, on which we are currently working vigorously. we must provide. ukraine has sufficient potential, i mean, sufficient potential to defend against future russian aggression. volodymyr zelensky met in the white house with kamala garis, the current vice president, candidate for the us presidency from the democrats. at a joint briefing with zelenskyi, haris declared unwavering support for ukraine, which is a strategic interest of the united states. so is she noted that the proposals to give up a large part of ukraine's sovereign territory are, i quote: proposals for capitulation, not peace. nothing about ending this war can be decided without ukraine, but

frankly, i share your opinion, mr. president, there are people in my country who want to force ukraine to give up a large part of its sovereign territory instead, who want ukraine to accept neutrality and demand that ukraine abandon security relations with other countries. these offers are the same, as with putin. well, cnn writes that kamalagari , a few weeks before the presidential election , used the moment to demonstrate a sharp contrast between her approach to the conflict, that is, the war in ukraine, and the approach of donald trump. separately, zelensky discussed the key points of the victory plan with the bipartisan delegation from the us senate, that is , republicans and democrats. here, however, it should be mentioned that the speaker of the us house of representatives, mike johnson, who is a representative of the republican party, previously did not want to meet with zelenskyi. well, i suggest let's once again see what the first minutes of... the meeting between zelenskyi and trump were like today and what their first words were and then we will proceed to

a detailed analysis. we have a very good relationship. i also have a very good relationship with president putin. i think if we win, we will solve it very quickly. i hope our relationship with you is better. yes, but you know, it takes two. we're going to have a good meeting today, so we're with. going to sit down and just talk about it and if we win i think well before 20 january, before i become the president, which is january 20, but long before that, i think we can do something that will be useful for both sides, and i am already in touch with us, valery chaley, the chairman the board of the ukrainian crisis media center and the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the usa in 15 and 19 years, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, thank you for joining, it is clear that from the first statements there is a lot of analysis... it will not be possible to do, but still from what you have heard and at least from that good humor, in which both zelensky and trump are, what

do you think this conversation will be like, how difficult it will be, more precisely, well, i think, what is the difference, i think, the main thing is what the result will be, well, to expect a result from a presidential candidate who has no , levers of influence, except for the influence on his republican party, of course, that is... the result can be seen by the votes in the republican congress, donald trump has no other levers today, i will tell you more, he has leverage and next year there is no support for ukraine, because there is no congress in the budget for next year, in particular, in the military budget of funds sufficient to support ukraine, there are certain funds, but not the packages that were once talked about, there is no lendlease, the law on lendlease, that is, donald trump, or kamela harris, or any whoever comes to

the oval office, there are not enough tools to support ukraine in the next year, and this worries me more than anything, so these meetings will not give anything now, because these are elections, and they will give personally some, maybe some contacts, all the same volodymyr zelenskyy has not met donald for n years trump, met very often. recently with kamela harris and with joseph biden, but personal contacts are important, you can continue on the phone, so from the point of view of diplomacy everything is fine, and from the point of view of... foreign policy, we will see the results in the future. we heard the position of the ukrainian authorities, in particular , voice of america correspondents told us that zelenskyi explained the meeting with trump by the fact that ukraine will most likely not win the war there by the end of november, so we have to work on our own both with the democrats and with the republicans, taking into account who will come to the white cabinet next, but what do you think, trump, why did he change his mind and still decided to meet

with president zelensky today? well, what do you mean dared? that is, this is his style, i think that everything is clear here, there was nothing strange for me, he was just his team, so-called, filling the price, the importance of such a meeting, of course, in the conditions when ukraine is in the epicenter of serious geopolitical battles, not only, it is not only the war of russia against ukraine, that is, it is very many questions, and in principle, no matter what, these elections are different, because foreign policy plays a role in these... elections, that is, these are not the first five positions, but somewhere in the top 10 the discussion of russian aggression, russian threats to the chinese position, it continues, that's why i thought so and thought that the meeting would take place, this is not the first time such a tactic, that is, first to inflate the price, and then if you focus

attention on yourself, this is typical for for, well, even personally for donald trump, mr. valerie, here you are saying... about the fact that whoever comes to authorities, for some time they will not have any influence on how to help ukraine, and besides, such meetings are taking place, and we have already seen the meeting with garis and the meeting with trump, what they can, what can be the result of this meetings, in particular with trump, we said at the beginning that it doesn't matter, maybe what the conversation will be, what is important is what the result will be, but what can be the result here, well zelensky will show trump a victory plan as an example, and no, i said more ducks what i said, i didn't say at some time, i i say, i emphasize once again, in order to influence the positions of the old women on the part of the usa, it can be a large support with weapons or less, it is not in the budget, it is not laid down, which is currently being considered in the congress, there are no funds to support ukraine, there are funds that remain

until january 20 for macro-financial support, the current president cannot now allocate these funds from... according to those of the special remarks made at the time of the vote, that is, it will be a tool for the american president or the president to put pressure on ukraine, and there is no tool to put pressure on russia on putin, i 'm talking about it, and it's not just a few months, when it will be from the day of the elections to the inauguration, it's also for the next year, and that's the problem, until the summer these funds that are now... . and it is very good that 5 billion were still allocated for pda, the fact that the decision of president joseph biden, and the additional usa, that is, the production of weapons for two there and eight, that is, it is very important, it will give ukraine the opportunity to maintain defense , well until next summer for sure, more or less sure,

but as for the future, we don't we understand what will happen next, that is, and with regard to the result, if... now we voted in the budget for next year on aid to ukraine with the participation of republicans, it would be the result of a meeting with donald trump, because he has an influence on the party and on the voters in congress i don't know, by the way, if this influence will remain, if it happens that he loses the election, yes, then this influence will be lost very quickly, and if he wins, on the contrary, it will increase, so there are a lot of options, i always i'm watching, and i'll tell you honestly, i think that who... didn't win, ukraine will cooperate with every president that america takes, the people of america, but what will be the configuration of power, congress, will it be completely controlled by the president, will it be one of the chambers, for example, will it be if trump wins, donald trump, will it be in he has a senate that will allow him to nominate for office, that's one story, and it's another

story if kamela harris doesn't have, like, a house of representatives that can block funds, so... i'm looking at the configuration more than , honestly, honestly to you i will say than in the name of the president, because i have worked with both democrats and republicans, it is normal to work with each of the candidates who are currently being nominated, so please tell me what else you think about what the republican party demanded from the ukrainian side to release the current ambassador oksana markarova, in fact, taking into account the scandals that accompany the visit... how should ukraine react to this demand from the speaker of the house of representatives? you know, well, it's very easy to react, no way, that is, because it is our ambassador of ukraine who decides

in the ukrainian system, decides to nominate an ambassador or extend the stay of the president of ukraine based on the results of his work, and here someone from abroad, i do not understand, the american position is important, it must be taken into account. especially from the point of view of how this rather, well, unprecedentedly tough letter from speaker johnson will be very tough, that is, what does this mean, it means that it will completely block the corridors for contacts of the embassy with the republicans in congress, or what does that mean, and what about the meeting of the president of ukraine with their candidate trump now, i think that ukraine does not need to react to... this by quick decisions there to terminate the term of office of the ambassador, oksana markarova's term of office is extended

for four years until next year, so what if they can't ignore this letter either in the president's office, if we talk about my own experience, i will tell you my personal experience, which means that if you do not have the support of the center, the president, the government , and both your people and you are not protected abroad, others will see it, that is, right away, and if speaker johnson protects the interests of the united states, then the president zelensky must protect the interests of ukraine. in this case, there is no need to react, i don't see any such serious reasons, well, at least now, that is, what i saw in the letter, i don't see any reason to react so harshly to the presence of a representative of a friendly country, it's... in fact, it's that rather, it can be an intervention, well, the internal affairs of ukraine are serious, well, by the way, in america it was not only with ukraine, unfortunately,

the british ambassador also left quickly, well, i think that in american politics this is the attitude towards foreign representatives, it should be adjusted, starting from where the ambassadors are sitting in congress when the president of the united states delivers his speech. down under the feet of the congressmen, i'm sorry, thank you that different countries let us in there, but in other parliaments, in particular in ukraine, the us ambassador, other people, sit honorably on the balcony, honorably see everything, so i think we should calmly endure the pause, mr. valery, but for now, if president trump does win the american elections and it will be a principled position for them, they have comments on the work of oksana markarova, that then? i... told you that yes, if it blocks relations with the republicans in the event of president trump's victory, if their position

remains like this, well, we will take into account the interests of bilateral relations, but it will not concern ms. markarova personally, and i emphasize once again, if to recall an ambassador every time, thinking that it would improve the situation in such cases, would be a big mistake, a big mistake. that is, let's wait for the results of the elections, by the way, but any results of the elections, i am worried about the speaker's position, because he, because we we need a good relationship with johnson, with mr. johnson, with the republican majority in the congress, we need them, that is why my position is this, it is not worth leaving this situation without further discussion, i would raise this issue carefully on the part of president zelensky at the meeting with donald trump, to somehow, well... well, not to develop this topic, because, in my opinion, it arose, well, let's say this, more for reasons of american interests than

bilateral relations, and if what you say, let's look further, well, i i say again oksana markarova, as our ambassador, her term continues until the inauguration, well, in time, it will even be a normal rotation, there will be a normal rotation at this time, there will be another ambassador, and even more so, if there is another team, well we don't know whether the result, well, donald trump's team will enter, our team will also have to be corrected, this is obvious to me, but i was at the transition and i will say, it no longer depends on the envoys, it depends more on the contacts at levels of state leaders, if it is normal there, then in principle and in this situation they get upset, well, i would still advise and... and the team of mr. johnson, with whom we and the baptists in america have a lot of friendly relations, and those who came to visit him at home, even, well, a little bit well, that's not the way to attack our

diplomat. how he did it very harshly, it's a little too harsh in the conditions in which it all happened, there are no such reasons for it. mr. valery, could this have been his personal decision, or is it still there, i don't know, some mutual, let's say, position of both trump and johnson? i don't know, there is no information insider's, well, you probably have some opinions on this matter, opinions here are not worth eating, here you need to know the situation in detail. let's then dwell on what the minimum and maximum tasks of the ukrainian side looked like, it looks like the ukrainian delegation has fulfilled the minimum tasks, they also met with biden and gara, a meeting also took place with trump, that is, two parties, two candidates , not without scandals, not without criticism, but we leave this aside for now, if the task is maximum, for example, the new york times writes, that star power - i'm just quoting zelensky now on the capitalist hill fades away, they say as the war

drags on, the president of ukraine gets. a much calmer reception in washington and faces angry questions there from some republicans, do you actually agree with this statement and how do you generally assess the minimum and maximum tasks of the ukrainian delegation? well, i did not define the task, what i heard publicly was the transfer of the peace plan and the current administration to president joseph biden and the candidates, i i don't think things should have been handed over to the candidates. enough of the current administration, their position is important, especially these months, they are very important for our opposition to russia, well, if they made a decision to familiarize themselves with the candidates as well, maybe if there was a reason for the meeting, then okay, but you have to understand that come on, the plan - this is something that can be implemented, uh, but if there are many

calculations for partners, and it is emphasized by those who have seen, well, the plan is already laid out on paper, not just stated, well, there are really many requests for support, and i did not see papers, i know the essence of some, well, few people have seen them, let's say right away, but everyone will see it, it will appear in the newspapers, that is, the plans that appear after the meetings in the newspapers, and it will appear in the american media, this not the plans that give victory, that’s for sure, it’s more like... the same positions are always prepared for negotiations, before we called it nonpaper transfer to partners in america , including, now we call it a plan, it’s not not a plan, it’s it's just that, as we can see, now we are cooperating in order to oppose russia together, now will it be the fact that you are perceived as zelenskyi, i think that, surprisingly, he is still perceived as a person for a very long time.

and very positively in america and not only in america, another matter is how the approach is perceived, which i think is no secret that in washington they expected that ukraine would offer some kind of more flexible, that is, a flexible approach, well, what is a flexible approach, and what do you they are ready to give for peace, they say, which territory, like, such and such, well, let's be honest, that is, they expected that the president of ukraine would somehow come with a plan... not peace, but with a cease-fire plan, a cease -fire plan, he did not come with seis fire, and it is not very comfortable now, not only in america, but many in the world, well, who is tired of everyone, who wants to continue, everyone they want some solution that would not require paying 100 billion a year, but what can you do, the president of ukraine came with a position that is more realistic in my opinion. true,

but which is not a joint plan, it is the plan of the ukrainian president, as he saw it, by the way, it is not known whether it is the plan of ukraine, because no one in ukraine, this plan was not shown, neither in the parliament, nor in the expert environment, so it has not yet become a joint plan, it should then become some kind of plan together with partners, and the ukrainian parliament, so far this is the case, two important points with of what you said, first, as to what kind of plan you expected to see. in the united states, previously only there , trump was accused of saying that he would be ready to end the war, as he himself says, and that there might be some territorial concessions there. now what you say looks like just as in the united states , responsible administrations actually waited for the fact that ukraine would be ready to make some concessions for the sake of peace, many people who came to ukraine.