of zelensky in washington. well, in addition, let's talk about the internal problems that exist in ukraine, and, in particular, about the production of weapons, and about the next election campaign, which may take place, as the british publication the economist writes, in 2025. during this broadcast, we will have several groups of guests. the first part of our program will feature yevhen magda, the executive director of the institute. world politician general serhii kryvonos and aviation expert valery romanenko. in the second part of our program, which will start in exactly one hour. we have my colleagues olga len and andriy yanitskyi will be journalists. however, before starting our big conversation today, i suggest watching a video of the consequences of another terrorist act by the russians. the russians targeted izmail in odesa, three civilians.

unfortunately, 16 others were injured, four high-rise buildings and more than fifty private homes were damaged, tomorrow the city has announced a day of mourning.

eternal memory to the dead and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast, we are working live, let me remind you tv channel, as well as on our facebook and youtube platforms. we are conducting a poll, today we are asking you about this, will the us continue to help ukraine if trump wins, what do you think about it? if you think that the united states of america will continue to help ukraine, if trump wins (0800-211-381), no, 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will summarize this vote. the same survey in... we have it on youtube, there are quite a few

it's simple, yes, no, two options, if you have your own version of what will happen if trump wins the presidential election in the united states of america, please leave them in the comments below this video. i would like to introduce today's first guest, yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. to the heroes. so, mr. yevgeny, the great american tour of volodymyr zelenskyi is coming to an end, there were high hopes for the results of this tour and we see how dramatically zelensky's meetings with the leaders of the united states of america, the current president of the united states of america, the vice president and the candidate of the republican party in the elections donald trump, with the most important, probably the meeting was still... yes, with joseph

biden under during the meeting with the ukrainian leader, the president of the united states of america announced a new military aid package for ukraine, and zelenskyi presented his victory plan. let's listen to what biden said and what zelensky said. i instructed the pentagon to allocate all funds remaining in the security assistance until the end of my term, that is, until january 20. we must also provide ukraine with sufficient resources. potential from future russian aggression, and i am proud of the steps we have already taken for this together with our partners, and to be clear, russia will not win the war, ukraine will, and we will be with you every step of the way. it is very important that we share the same vision of a secure future for ukraine in the eu and nato. ukraine is making an unprecedented number of reforms in this area way our teams work together to implement the winning plan presented. we really appreciate it. your leadership, i also thank

the united states for its bipartisan support. mr. yevgeny, how do you assess the results of zelenskyi's american tour? i think that if volodymyr zelenskyi's team did not create a certain information hype around the victory plan, it would be easier to assess these results more adequately. now many have a situation where they were watching a thriller, a political thriller, how to say a servant of the people in a house of cards, well, this moment, however short in time, is enough. well, less than a week in fact, but still yesterday we believed that donald trump would not meet with volodymyr zelenskyi, then he changed his mind, from a formal point of view, volodymyr zelenskyi has nothing to lose,

he met with biden, with garis, and with trump , but i personally have the feeling that the meaning of the peace plan has been somewhat lost behind these political upheavals, behind this... tomorrow the full content will be published by the western media, and then we will have a better, more complete understanding, but this is on the one hand, on the other hand, well, we already see that a solution is possible as quickly as zelensky and his team were counting on, that that everything will happen. just here and now, because in his comments it was said that the plan is designed for quick decisions during october-december, well , i think it will be a bit naive to expect them, especially since not only the presidential campaign, but also the campaign with

elections to the house of representatives, and not me leaves the feeling that kyiv has forgotten about her, despite the fact that the house of representatives... played the most important role at the border of 2023-2024 in the issue of financial aid to ukraine from the united states, that is, there is, well, there is a lot to talk about, there is a lot to work on, but i think that in any case this dialogue is necessary, because the status of strategic partners, which are ukraine and the united states, can be filled. real steps, and at the moment the main question is whether the bipartisan support of ukraine from the democrats and republicans, unfortunately, i have certain doubts about this, but i think that we will see in the near future, actually from the actions

and statements of western politicians, but we know, mr. yevgeny, that 12 a four-way meeting will be held in germany with the participation of joseph biden, the prime minister of great britain, the president of france, the chancellor of germany, and they will discuss , among other things, the situation in ukraine and discuss, as already announced, the ukrainian peace plan, white said home, well, ukrainian a plan for peace or a plan for victory is also a question here. is this the plan that was made public by volodymyr zelensky in switzerland, or is this the victory plan that no one in ukraine has seen yet, but we see comments in some western media, and there were yermak's comments regarding the invitation of ukraine to the north atlantic

alliance, that this is one from the points, could this be a delayed decision, or a delayed response to biden's victory plan, announced already after this meeting of the four leaders of the countries, you understand, mr. serhiy, the question in because western politicians, they do not live in the conditions of a monomajority, even if in britain the conservative party won the parliamentary elections and keir starmer became the prime minister accordingly, sorry. won and, accordingly, they will now primarily solve the social problems of british society after more than 10 years of conservative rule. we have, if we want any changes, any help, then

it must be clearly defined financially. i can't imagine how the house of representatives will vote on any of the... until november 5th appropriations that will be proposed by biden, if they did not do so nine months ago. i can't imagine, like the german bundestag, where there is light. a strong coalition, which is feverish enough, will vote for something similar, for a significant increase, especially since there was a discussion about a possible reduction in financial aid to ukraine, when there are parliamentary elections next year, and the positions of the social democrats, whose symbol is olaf scholz, they are enough shaky, let's say so, i can't imagine how france, which lives now in such conditions, well... on the one hand the barnier government has been formed, and on the other hand , le pen and the leftists,

the so-called new people's front, have an influential enough position that they too, you know, will pull up their pants and rush to help ukraine and will vote for an increase in allocations to support ukraine. well, we have to either be realistic and understand that changes in the country must begin. country, i do not understand how we can appeal to our partners when we have defecting parliamentarians, and there are obviously more than one. i don't understand how we should appeal to partners, when our government, i think, not from a good life , announced that we have a deficit of 500 million, because we thought that the war would actually end in the summer, 500 billion, excuse me, because the amount is actually astronomical. for ukraine, especially for a warring country. i don't understand how we can

appeal to our partners, when, er, various scandals are primarily related to the fact that we have problems with corruption, they are constantly infuriating the ruling elite. that is, we, as we calculated, understand? we count on the level of empathy for ukraine, which was at the beginning of the russian invasion, but now this empathy has significantly decreased, and let's not deceive ourselves, there are enough politicians, enough influential businessmen in the west who believe that this war should be ended as soon as possible, because the money that goes to help ukraine, of course on a global scale, not... huge, although the amount of aid, i think, is about 100 billion dollars at the moment,

but it is not even a significant percentage of the american military budget, that is, we observe a certain dual position of the event, and when i hear the words that biden is saying that he won't let russia win, i hear... his other words that he said that he already beat putin, do you feel biden's victory over putin? i think that biden has his own vision of victory, why i always ask ukraine about the victory plan, because for me the victory plan is the plan to defeat putin, but no leader, western leader and our western partner, says that. .. putin, putin's regime must be defeated, they are talking about a plan for victory, about what

ukraine must win, but they don’t say for which, under what conditions, it seems to me that the main condition of the plan for ukraine’s victory should be a plan to defeat putin and putin’s russia, unfortunately there is no such thing, well, i don’t know if zelensky talked about this with kamala haris, a candidate for the presidency of the united states of america from the democratic party, but after meeting with the president of ukraine, she said that she agrees with how ukraine sees the end of the war. let's listen to what the vice president of the united states of america, kamala harris, said. no one will be able to end this war without the participation of ukraine, but some in our country want ukraine to give up a large part of its sovereign territory. who demands that ukraine agree to neutrality and refuses. from its security ties with other countries, these proposals are similar to

putin's demands, but let's be clear that these are not peace proposals, they are surrender proposals, they are dangerous and unacceptable. that is, the offer of capitulation, mr. yevgeny, is unacceptable, but also the offer of the complete defeat of russia in this war, as well, i i understand, unacceptable, including. for kamala harris, that's right, i understand, donald trump said today that this is not a surrender scenario, meaning that he is forced to debate with his opponent, at. that this is happening against the background of volodymyr zelenskyi's visit, i.e. his idea of ​​a peace plan, which was supposed to become a sensation, we understand with you that this should be the number one event, true, but, in fact, we do not see such a heated discussion in the western press, i say that maybe we will see it literally on weekends, that is

literally tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, but i have not heard from influential western ... politicians that they are in favor of the dismantling of russia, until the idea of ​​​​dismantling russia is heard, it is all a simulation, because the end of the war for today, and obviously, if they to seek an end to the war in a short time, then from the current, in the current, so to speak, the current line of contact, that is, there is a korean scenario or any other scenario, as we will say, this is for ukraine, yes, a respite, but a respite for russia as well, and it will use it for to get as many new technologies, new equipment as possible, get new resources, sell something to the west, did, for example, rosatom, which made a profit of 25 billion dollars last year, become the object

of sanctions from the west? no. the question arises, why and what, what other moments, and this is not, no, obviously, not an isolated case, true, and we in this sense, as we, well, before that, i think that it would be just beneficial for us to communicate with by american energy companies, at least under the pretext that we will have them a fairly severe winter is expected, and we have to look for additional opportunities. and additional arguments for going through it and working accordingly. today, mr. yevgeny, volodymyr zelenskyi met with donald trump. before the meeting, zelensky expressed hope that his interlocutor also believes that the war in ukraine must be stopped and that putin cannot win, and trump said that

he would try to work, as he said, with both sides to settle the conflict on... let's listen to what trump and zelensky said. we have a very good relationship, and i also have a very good relationship, as you know, with president putin, and i think if i win, we will resolve this very quickly. i hope we have a better relationship with you. but you know it takes two to tango. we will have a good meeting today. i think the fact that we gathered today. trump says that he has a good relationship with zelensky and putin, and zelensky tells him, after all, i hope that we will have a better relationship, he says about tango and tango is for two, that is, somehow it doesn't work at all, he wants to cooperate with two, he talks about tango for two,

what is happening now in trump's election campaign, why are there swings, which... we see a swing, why, why are they happening on the part of the republican party, he doesn’t want to meet with zelensky, he doesn’t have time, then he meets, then he repeats those mantras that everyone has already heard that when he wins, he will end this war, because he knows putin and zelensky very well, we will give credit to volodymyr zelensky, who did not get lost in this situation and was quite skillful. on the topic that you and i will have better relations, but the situation here is that i think that trump is obviously not satisfied with the course of the campaign, because two days ago he talked about the fact that ukraine no longer exists, and now he accepts it to visit and says that this is a beautiful country, we, well , that is, he has that various chips with information

are inserted somewhere, that is, he says one thing today, another tomorrow. the day after tomorrow is the third, in principle it is typical for trump, and it is obvious that his voters are satisfied with this, but for us this approach, well, that is, trump shows everyone what a good president he would be, but if he was a good president for a term in the 20th year, if he was elected, then he would be now could not have run for office, because he would have been president for two terms in a row, so... in fact, this argument irrational, it is clear that the idea of ​​being in such an acute situation. she, well, i don't think she was properly thought out, and actually, i think ukraine is in a pretty difficult

situation due to such an adventurous approach, but in any case, we need to act further, and we need to fill it with substantive content, but now it should not be presidential diplomacy, zelensky obviously will not go, but it should be diplomacy... parliamentary, veteran diplomacy, diplomacy, well, if you want, of religious organizations, so that we continue this signal brought by volodymyr zelensky that we need peace on our ukrainian terms, and that there is a peace plan, i do not i think that there are ukrainian politicians who will refuse talk responsibly about the fact that we need a victory over russia, otherwise it is simply not ukrainian politicians. and of course, mr. yevgeny, this is the very end of our conversation, i will ask your opinion about what

the british publication wrote for the economist, i think that you read about the predictions of the holding of the presidential elections next year, the sources are not named british journalists are sent, they write about the fact that the headquarters seem to be deployed, the work is deployed and all. is preparing for the elections there, will they be, or won't they be, what is this, another insinuation, or after all, according to your data, there is preparation for the presidential elections in 2025 ? today i had to answer this question to your colleagues, i suggested predicting the following situation: imagine that elections are announced and legislation is passed. a few dozen candidates are nominated, who post bail, who begin to criticize

the ukrainian state in different voices and say that we need peace with, well, that is, within the limits of the law, they will destabilize the situation, as we we will oppose it, as the state of ukraine will oppose it, that is, i do not rule out that there is a demand. western partners and there are hints from western partners that elections are needed. it is difficult to call me a supporter of the political talent of volodymyr zelenskyi, but i understand that for us at the moment victory is more important, and elections in conditions of war, in conditions of war, presidential elections are the elections of the supreme commander-in-chief, well, in fact, because these are his powers, and how do we predict it for ourselves, you for russia? but to discredit of any potential commander-in-chief. beyond any doubt. thank you, mr. yevhen, thank you for the conversation, this was yevhen magda,

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vote. next, we have valery on the line romanenko, aviation expert, leading researcher of the state aviation museum. mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, thank you for the invitation. we, mr. valery, for the last two days have been watching the russians strike with daggers at starokostyantinov, and we see that it is obvious that the enemy is aiming at or at the military airfield, or at the planes that are stationed at that airfield, if they are stationed there, of course, on thursday, september 26 , russian propaganda invented a fake that we allegedly lost four f-16 fighters, russian resources published without any confirmation. information about it, and it happened after an unexpected missile strike. the center for combating disinformation denied

the information of russian propagandists about... about the destruction of the f-16. the information does not correspond to reality, such reports are another fake aimed at manipulating public opinion, it is a fiction created to strengthen the narrative about the inefficiency of western aircraft. fakes about the downing of the f-16, russian propaganda began to spread even before appearance of fighter jets in ukraine. what, mr. valery, is the enemy so bothered by the small f-16 fleet so far? well, they understand that... the prospect, if we get the f16, if they give them missiles with a range of, well, at least, let's say 120 km, yes, although i would like these amram missiles of the s-8 model with a range of 160 km, then we will be able to destroy the russian cab carriers, what is the destruction of the russian cab carriers, or at least put these cab strikes in jeopardy, yes,

so that... the russians reduce their number, this means the complete emasculation of the russian language offensive potential, because they would not advance even 100 m with only meat assaults. well, when they destroy our strong points and after that start meat assaults, then they have some moderate, very slow successes in this regard, because really a country that has aviation and... that is fighting against a country that in fact, it cannot use its aviation, it has significant advantages, because aviation is in modern war, it is not just a terrible force, it has been since the second, let's say, from the middle of the second world war war, dominance in the air, it always ensured the advantage, well, victory of the attacking side, but now the war

has changed a little, zeni. missile complexes significantly reduced the advantages of tactical aviation, but we still see russian tactics: a kabama attack, after that a meat assault and some advance, there are tens, hundreds of meters, but an advance. you have already mentioned these non -gliding bombs, i understand, which can be used on the achhf-16 fighter. in a new aid package, the united states of america is handing over. ukraine, planning bombs jaysaw, and they can hit targets at a distance of up to 110 km, and, according to western experts, that they can be placed on f-16 fighters. how do you think, and when f6, these jsou can be applied, given these constant threats that come from the russian side, that they say, if the missiles are allies. our allies

will fall or fall on the territory of the same kurtshchyna or belgorodshchyna or soon these bombs will reach us and how will they change the course of the russian-ukrainian war? any. the fact is that planning bombs fly as you say, well, there is a long distance of more than 100 km, in general, these are agm 154. jsou bombs, yes, that means those bombs, they fly 130 km, they are winged bombs, let's start with that, yes, winged bombs , but they fly 130 km only when they are dropped from a great height. russians drop their cabs from heights of 12,000 or more meters. we cannot rise to such a height in front of the front line, because our planes will be shot down. if these bombs are dropped from

low altitudes, even at... high speed, even if they are scraped to drop them for the upper point, they fly from 22 to 25 km, in no way these bombs, besides, we are promised to hand over bombs with cluster only warheads, to a large extent they will not affect the course of hostilities, but although these are the most modern bombs, they can be with cassettes with... tone-deaf combat, ordinary combat units, and cassettes can be, well, they are enough, they are so effective submunitions, there are 145 munitions in such a cluster bomb, and they are of double cumulative, cumulative and fragmentary action, double action, that is, they can not only destroy armored vehicles, but also destroy infantry in some area.