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trump, who initially refused to meet. why trumpists believe that the ukrainian president will play along with kamali harris. the first to use nuclear weapons will be damned. polish president andrzej duda warns putin against rash decisions. how can the curse of the bagpipe threaten putin? anticipation of the election campaign. the western media are writing about the possible preparation for the presidential elections in ukraine next year, is this related to the decrease in zelenskyi's ratings? for 45 minutes we we will talk about this and not only about this. let me remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live there. please subscribe to our pages and take part in our survey. today we

ask you this, friends, do you think the united states of america will continue to help ukraine in the event of trump's victory, given his ambiguous statements. so, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in comments under this video. and, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on 0,800, 211, 381, if you think that if we win... aid to ukraine will come from the united states of america, if not, 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce today's guests of our studio, these are my colleagues, olga len, political viewer, tv channel host, ulha, congratulations, good evening, and andriy yanitsky, my colleague, journalist, congratulations. so, colleagues, since we

are asking our viewers what they think, whether the united states of america will continue to help ukraine in the event of trump's victory, let's answer in the bliss poll format to this question, olga. well , i think that the first thing that trump will do is, of course , try to minimize this aid, or at all completely reject it, because it is part of his election campaign, maybe in a year something will change there, as they always do on... they make a bunch of mistakes, and then something will start to recover little by little, but somehow i have this impression of both trump's position and the course of action he is choosing now. andriy, well, even today we have flows from american budgets, various funds, including through the same usite, for example, and the employees of these funds say that now the funding has actually frozen, that is... that is, the employees

expect what they will be after the election results, it will be clear whether there will be new ones money or not for new technical assistance projects for ukraine. i think it is the same for all other projects, including military aid. it will not disappear completely, but it can really be minimized. it is interesting that during the current american tour, zelenskyi, trump, the candidate of the republican party, well, just ran into the president of ukraine, roughly speaking, before meeting with him, he stated at a pre-election rally in north carolina that zelenskyi attacks him address and criticized the president of ukraine for this, let's hear what donald trump said.

is in our country and he's making dirty little attacks on your beloved president, me. but look at the war going on in ukraine right now. "this would never have happened if i were the president, there would not even be a need for settlement, it would not have happened, period, russia would not have attacked, i talked a lot about this with putin, well colleagues, trump is playing the ukrainian card again, and it already happened, as leonid kuchma said, it already happened with zelensky, but then it didn’t work, because what did trump want then, trump wanted zelensky to resuscitate. the case against his then competitor joseph biden, who later won the election, and resuscitated the case against the son of joseph biden hunter, who was in burism, in the company, in the supervisory board, which worked on the territory of ukraine. now again, trump is saying that president zelensky is behaving

wrongly, doing something wrong towards me. well, can it be considered personal, or is ukraine finally in is a significant factor. in american politics and even more so in the election campaign in the united states of america ulha? i think both, well, first of all, he really has some kind of personal injury regarding ukraine, regarding zelenskyi, because probably he was really counting on something or something to beat zelenskyi at the beginning of the term of office, that zelenskyi is in the 19th year, well there as you know, nothing came of it, and this obviously greatly complicated further personal relations of zelenskyi. trump is obviously affected now, of course, but in addition to that, well, there is also trump’s personal attitude towards ukraine in general, which most likely was formed by his environment, and his admiration for putin,

and his, perhaps, some such personal authoritarian tendencies, and thirdly, in the end, ukraine turned out to be really important for the general election campaign in the united states. and it is not surprising that it was trump who made ukraine so important for the election campaign in the united states, because he pulled it out, he built literally his entire election campaign on one thesis that as soon as i become president, i will force ukraine to capitulate, well let's call it what it sounds like and the second thing i don't i will give aid to ukraine, because there is no place... we don't need to spend money on ukraine, he made it the main thing in his election campaign, accordingly, now we have a very interesting situation in the united states, because it became the main election issue that , by the way, it was not planned right at the beginning of the election campaign, because it was expected that there would be

migrants, the issue of the mexican border there, the issue of anything, but it seems that ukraine will be talked about less, no, now it has become the main issue, moreover , i think... that we have so much now an amazing situation, when the upcoming elections will essentially become a referendum in the united states, on support, on the issue of support for ukraine, in the literal sense of the word, we will simply see whether the people of the united states want to support ukraine, and depending on this, either trump will win , or kamala harris, because everything is very obvious there. and again, depending on that, we will see everything, everything else, how the policy of the united states towards ukraine will be built. well, maybe, andrei, this is just the golden time for of ukraine, well, relatively speaking, when you can work with headquarters, with two headquarters, without

choosing one, as it sometimes happened in ukrainian politics, and talk with one presidential candidate with another, and show one candidate a presidential victory plan, and others. will we have the strength and skill not to slip into the one-party state of the united states of america, because trump, when he talked about zelensky, that he went to a factory in pennsylvania, that he is playing along as a democrat, went to biden's hometown and that it is actually the fault of everything oksana markarova, and the republicans demanded her resignation, how in this situation to preserve this middle ground for... ukrainian diplomacy, because it is too difficult a task, because one is the current vice president of the united states of america, the other is the potential president of the united states of america, and here between them a serious battle for the future of ukraine? it is really difficult, first of all, i want to say that ukraine today

plays a decisive role, thanks to the peculiarities of the electoral system of the united states of america, where we know that voters are elected in individual states, and then you voters'. the fate of all of america, and here in the state of pennsylvania, where there are many immigrants from eastern europe, not only from ukraine, including from poland, the situation is just hanging. it is not determined who wins, trump or haris, and that is why ukraine has what is, as they say, a golden share, when neither side nor the other side has a complete victory, and that is who the ukrainians support, the one who has more chances of victory, that's why trump also has to reckon with zelensky, that's why trump went to that meeting, even though he said that... he wouldn't meet is going to preliminarily and even criticized, but as it turned out that he is even ready to personally

come and talk, and what about the role of markarova, i heard such criticism even from our high-ranking officials connected with the office of the president, that they are really dissatisfied with the work of mrs. markarova in the role of ambassador, that she is quite pro-democracy and that she did not build relations with ... republicans properly, but uh, well, what can i say, it's difficult for me to evaluate her work as the secretary of finance, she was wonderful as an ambassador, i don't know, but now go on about y republicans and change the ambassador, well, that would be wrong, it would also be to actually make ukraine dependent on one party force, so i would refrain from criticizing the ambassador and focus on... on the results of zelenskyi's visit to the states, after all , money he brought it from there and that's good. i

absolutely agree with you, because really, well, one party, even an influential one in the united states of america, can't decide who will be our ambassador if, if they are an agremand of the american government, then sorry, that's not the issue here that we don't like markareva, let's send us someone new there from kyiv, we'll watch. "if trump wins the election, then he can say, well, we're recalling agriman in markarova, prepare a new ambassador, well, in any case, the ambassador will change, most likely after the election, but that's not the question, you'll see how i would say that the demands of trump's entourage and trump personally have changed in general, because in the last election he demanded that the ukrainian authorities recall the american ambassador to kyiv, now at least closer to that." became reality, well, by the way, if we talk about trump, then

of course he talked a lot about zelensky these days, and it was in all mass media, of course in the united states of america, he blamed the president of ukraine in the refusal to make an agreement with russia, which has led to the destruction of the country. millions and millions of people, including all these distinguished soldiers, are dead. these magnificent buildings with golden baths are destroyed and lie in ruins. you will never see a city or town again. never, they will never be rebuilt, they are all destroyed,

except kyiv, they were thousands of years old, just think, 3 years ago you had a beautiful civilization, now most of the country is gone, so many people died, many people left for poland, in hungary, to other places, they will never return, by the way, this is it he said just a few days ago, and today he... already on the air of the fox news channel, he announced that i will definitely come to ukraine, it is a beautiful country, well, that is, he constantly contradicts himself, then the whole country is in ruins , then he is going to go to her, what is trump's such and such behavior connected with, i will not give its definition, but he is constantly fluctuating, these are the fluctuations that he has from the fact that... we everything was lost, everything was gone, and to the point that this country, for which we must fight, and we

let's fight, i will come to an agreement with putin and come to an agreement with zelensky, and everything will work out for me. well, actually he doesn't waver, i wouldn't say that he wavers, he formed his point of view a long time ago, he supports putin, quite frankly, he believes that america should cooperate with russia, at the expense of other countries, and that's his position , which... has changed since the 19th, well, the 16th, probably, that is, he does everything within the framework of this story, and this rhetoric, well, listen, well, the usual rhetoric of a not very educated person. man, someone ran up there, said something, and he, he doesn't read practically, everyone knows that, he only reads tweets on e-e in social networks, his social networks, well, yes, yes, his tweets, and his tweets, yes, that is, i think he read some kind of nonsense somewhere there , then someone else ran up to him, says that you spoke something delusional, well, here are the pictures for you, he

will look, yes, i said something wrong, and come out, i said something else, but, i am more surprised that he pretends that the war started only in the 22nd year, as if there was no 14th year, as if putin did not seize crimea, and when he says, under my presidency there would not have been a war, but under your presidency there was already a war, and you did nothing, you did not liberate crimea, if you think that obama behaved wrongly there and was too soft, but what did you do, i did not see a weak position in trump. in the fact that he was already the president, and he showed that he cannot do anything with putin, that he is not a strong president, so it is difficult for him, now in these elections, to prove that he can do something with putin, and here he is she is so peaceful such rhetoric is now produced, well, it is not peace-loving rhetoric, it is purely isolationist

rhetoric, which, in principle, has always existed in the states. there were also some who believe that we live on an island like this, we have an ocean on one side and an ocean on the other, no one can attack us in particular, and therefore we do not need to interfere anywhere, this is always, let’s say, it is also from the end, i don’t know, well, in the 19th century , it was definitely like that, during the second world war, they too, when america got involved, got involved in more such during the first world war, for three years it came and we also had it later. on a large scale , almost three years have passed, it is time to open a second front. well, actually, actually , well, what, well, this, this is a part of the american culture, it's just that it's becoming more somehow widespread, then less, well, we have to understand what it is, and of course we have to understand the dangers, here we are, when we look at trapov, this is just an extreme version

of this rhetoric, well, about rhetoric, zelensky, while in the united states of america, declared about... that we should do it, that is, stop putin before november, we will try on the battlefield with our heroic soldiers, but we understand that after november we will have to decide, and we hope that the power of the united states of america will be strong, we count on it, that is, the president of ukraine still counts on the support of our western partners, including the americans, although judging by the statements that were made. that our partners transfer the main decisions to germany. on october 12, there will be a four-sided meeting of the leaders of four countries: the united states of america, great britain, france and germany. and there , by the way, this plan for the victory of ukraine will be discussed, and probably, after all, by then this plan will appear in the western press,

i have a feeling that every day we will see the full content of this document, or, let's say so , with comments. western experts, i am not sure that we are quickly getting this victory plan here, but the fact that the western press already has and they partially merged some points of this victory plan, because well, it is true, well, how much i do not invite the evening broadcasts of politicians, diplomats, no one can you explain to me in general what is in this plan of victory, because this plan of victory was obviously seen by two people, andriy yermak and volodymyr zelenskyi, because they are now in the united states, america, as always, something... there will be something from the white house or there from from some other administration, or from the same trump, who was probably handed something over there, then it’s well, well, they’re pouring it out, so it’s somehow not working well with us, and from there it just flows at once , it’s not working well with us, because the authorities don’t trust journalists , they say that they do not need journalists and they can in general, that's why some

scandals constantly arise as a result, because the wrong things were angry, so friends, let me remind you that we are working on the live broadcast of the tv channel, today i have olga len and andriy yanitsky as guests, and throughout this we are conducting a survey on the air, today we are asking you about whether the united states of america will continue to help ukraine in case of trump's victory, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote yes 0800 211 381, no 0800 21138. 62, all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. another topic that is developing in parallel and has developed in russia is... the adoption of a changed doctrine, nuclear doctrine, nuclear deterrence, they call it at the security council of the russian federation,

putin announced the expansion of this very russian doctrine of nuclear deterrence, let's listen to what he said . the list has been supplemented military threats for the neutralization of which nuclear deterrence measures are used. what else i would especially like to draw your attention to is that in the updated version of the document, aggression against russia by any non-nuclear state, but with the participation or support of a nuclear state, is proposed to be considered as their joint attack on the russian federation. well, frankly, i don't quite understand what the previous version of nuclear deterrence is. from the current one, because if it is written in their concept of nuclear deterrence, any troops that attack

nuclear weapons can be used on our territory, against them and against that country, then is there a difference in collaboration, this state is not nuclear, how are we with someone, are we not, if you say that you were attacked and your territorial integrity is threatened by something, well, if you are not going to shoot, as they say... well , the logic is a little different here, well, first of all, this, of course, is the whole conversation, it is not only intended for an external audience, but also for an internal one , and this obsessive, this desire to tell what are at war, we are not at war with ukraine, but with the entire nato bloc, and here america has already attacked us, this is all an attempt to bring some people under it, well, who is putin anyway, well, he is an ordinary murderer who is used to the fact that he has collected his money. .. i just slipped this folder, someone read it, got scared, said, oh my god, it’s so terrible written here, that’s what he does, he collects some kind of folder and hopes that if we

write there that it was an attack, and you we have already been attacked, then everyone will grab their heads like this, i will say, my god, what a horror, we are already revealed we are at war with russia, well, it doesn’t work like that, well , but if we talk about how, how they see it, i think that they are following the story that... was painted in his articles by serhiy karaganov, who, of course, has been in a frenzy for a long time, but very fond of brandishing nuclear weapons. and this nekta karaganov, he literally ran around for two years with the idea that the ladder of nuclear escalation has many steps, something like a dozen or so, and you have to go up it and scare the west, that is, they are now, think, on the second step, that is, it still has to to be... we prepared the nuclear forces to do it there, then we prepared, look, this is the final preparation for nuclear tests, then we

conducted mock nuclear tests, then, and we did conduct tests, and then we conducted even more tests, and so on and so on, that is, there is still walking and walking on this ladder, so you understand, but for now, even they really want to get to at least at least nuclear tests. at least on the new land, but after they have a sarmatian blew up in the mine, it must be done logically. polish president andrzej duda believes that there is nothing fundamentally new in putin's words about the expansion of russian military doctrine, but the one who uses nuclear weapons first will bear all the responsibility. let's listen to what president duda said. there is nothing new in this. knows well, as well as his generals, that the one who uses nuclear weapons first will be damned, they will never abdicate this responsibility, now you can actually

see what positions they were in, because how only missile attacks threaten moscow immediately some instructions on how to save the lives of civilians, they were not very interested in the lives of ukrainian civilians, but i digress, so if zelensky is now discussing this issue in... in the states, then of course putin is trying to spoil these negotiations and in this way, it sends a signal that, friends, if these long-range missiles come to you, then we will use nuclear weapons in response, and hopes to scare someone in the states in this way. unfortunately, the american press writes that we have not yet received permission, fortunately in we have our own missile development, that's why we didn't get american missiles, well, nothing ... well, i also think that in fact this is such a pass to trump's election campaign, already if we talked about it, about the relationship in general

of what is happening . this is precisely what is included in trump's rhetoric, that ukraine is dragging us into a nuclear war, and this is exactly what he is doing to scare, in principle, the average american, his voter, with the fact that there is a threat of nuclear war, and accordingly, if we do not support ukraine and russia will take over ukraine, well then there won't be this threat, of course it's a sword, but that's how it works, and this pass is just right for trump's election campaign to show what you see. there, biden is doing something so dangerous, he is giving more money and weapons, and at this time trump can tell, but you see how dangerous all this is, there putin has already said something like that, and they are preparing, and probably everything will be terrible, well, i say it again , first of all, well, it’s been a long time, and trump promises to come to an agreement with him, and he promises to come to an agreement, well, that is, this is really also such, well, a little bit of such an intervention in election campaign, well, actually, how can they sell the surrender of ukraine to their own population, so

yes? just like this, just to say, to explain that this is how we did not help our ally in eastern europe, who had been for the united states for many years, and was in fact an outpost of western values ​​in this region, we took the nuclear one, which we took, and we surrendered it , because we saved the world from a nuclear war, we saved the world, that's a good fix, because it didn't work out that way with the states and afghanistan, so why did they quit. the state of their allies, it is not clear why ukraine, well, here you can come up with some kind of story, well, we will monitor how this whole topic with nuclear weapons will develop, because, really, in 2.5 years, we have already heard a lot about from medvedev and from other kremlin avatars there about what will happen and will happen if rockets fall on the crimean peninsula, what will happen if

these rockets fall on the territory. of the russian federation, russia has already tested all the weapons it had and is hitting ukraine with absolutely all types of weapons, absolutely not understanding whether it is a civilian city or a non -civilian city, whether it is hitting peaceful people or critical infrastructure objects, they don't care, so in principle, the only argument they have left is nuclear weapons, well, american ones.. the british press writes that in 2025 there may be elections, elections, presidential elections and what the economist writes. against the background of a drop in his ratings, the president of ukraine is allegedly considering the possibility of holding presidential elections in the 25th year, with the help of which zelensky wants to strengthen his power. in these in this text many references to anonymous sources from different

headquarters, from different fields. that they say the process has already started, started, i think that it is impossible not to think about the elections, it is unlikely that politicians can, because it is clear that the elections shape the political system in ukraine, the president is elected, we have a democracy, a democratically elected president, a democratically elected parliament, the government, democratically formed by the parliament, i.e. all procedures are followed, but in... is it even possible that literally in a year, if the situation is normalized, it can to be normalized only by some kind of truce or some kind of temporary peace, probably between ukraine and russia, that presidential elections will be held in ukraine. well, i would say that in fact this team, since the 22nd year, has been trying to hold some kind of election and...