gandu, well, it's a style, it's a showman, you have to understand that we're dealing with two showmen, well, people from show business who came to politics from show business, people who are quite narcissistic and possibly historical in places, especially donald trump, and so their meeting today, it could bring, well, an explosive mixture, lead to a huge even bigger scandal, because the way the communication between our delegation... and the republican headquarters of trump and the republican party took place, it's a scandal, and it's very interesting and it is unexpected that this scandal is now are trying to shut up, and both sides, formally the ukrainian side turned to the headquarters of donald trump for the organization of this meeting, which is currently taking place, but taking into account everything said earlier by the republicans, other congressmen there and trump himself, that... they agreed , it

means that it was, it coincided with their desire. donald trump obviously feels that he is going to lose the election campaign, and when they started scandalizing zelenskyi, it must have been emotionally very strong, hysterical, i, i would even say so, then they gave a signal to their to their own voters, well, to other observers of the american elections, that they are in a bad situation, hysteria is a manifestation of weakness, and this is then, then... happens when a candidate or a team feels that they have already lost, that they are going to lose something, and today's sociology also says that trump is about 7%, 5-7% behind haris in the ratings, and something needs to be done about it, and the scandal and the scandal with zelenskyi does not add anything, it does not add new voters to donald trump, but the old ones already not enough, so you have to fight for ukrainians or voters of the ukrainian campaign. in

the states, and therefore it is necessary to put up, that is why trump decided after all, it is necessary to put up with zelensky, so everything that politicians say during the election campaign, you should not believe that they are saying it honestly, behind this is the direct interest of their strategy for winning the votes of voters, they will say anything to please and win the election, and trump is not an exception here, on the contrary, he is the gold standard of such political, if... or unprincipled even i would say so, that is, he can yesterday to say that zelensky is sticking some small pins to him, to him sticking your favorite president, that is, me, this is a quote, yes, trump's communication with his voters, and today he can already talk about meeting, inviting, receiving on his territory, well, then look at the question. we understand that

trump is trying to bring back, as you say, to bring back to him ukrainians, voters of ukrainian origin, in particular, and not only, not only, but also those people who are not of ukrainian origin, but support ukraine, for example, will ukrainian help? aside this meeting, to somehow fix the situation in which we found ourselves, well, if there is no scandal today, then yes, well, at least it will soften, this one will soften. sense of a certain scandal and such a sense of catastrophism, and what will happen to our relations if trump wins, you see how bad the relations between the presidents are, if they quarrel with each other, and accordingly the aid will stop and we will be forced to capitulate, this we could have had such expectations, pressures, now after this meeting, we can soften them eyes, it is not to soften these expectations no no.

everything can be so bad, you can return to the previous relationship for at least a week , yes, before that, it’s not trump, and he, neither devens, nor trump, nor these trumpists are friends or supporters of ukraine and have never been. they will never be, and it is impossible, so to speak, to incite them to our side, but you should not position yourself as their enemies there and place yourself under... under their, their dissatisfaction, you must again, if you have already gone to a minefield, then walk a lot, a lot carefully and not to step on the same mine twice, in this case, well, it seems to me that the ukrainian side, the ukrainian authorities, have now made the same mistake for the second time, as in 2019, when there was a phone call between trump and zelensky, and that started the impeachment proceedings of president trump, this does not mean that there is no need to communicate at all, but it is necessary to avoid it. critical points, election campaigns and

some political crises and to understand who we, well, ukraine is talking to in this situation, with what psychological features this... this a politician or a candidate for the presidency, well, yes, they are inseparable, they are natural for him, and this must be taken into account, it seems to me that you are saying that you do not step on the same mine twice, here there are even probably two mines, because you have to take keep in mind that president trump may become president, may not become president, but the trumpists will still remain in the congress, and therefore, in any case, even those two mines are here, so let's move on to another one, but still, the speaker of the house of representatives, this is the lower house. us congressman mike johnson wrote a letter and offered, he didn't even offer, he expressed a demand, it was a demand to release the ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, oksana markarova, it was still some kind of malfunction of the embassy,

​​maybe the embassy together with the president's office, because they were preparing this visit, well, we return to this to pennsylvania and to this weapons factory, how much. it is clear to me, i may be wrong, i did not prepare this visit, i am not devoted to the details, but from an outside observer, as far as i understand, the initiative to visit this particular plant came from the ukrainian side, because this plant is really important for us for our defense capability, it not only produces shells, but also missiles, or rocket elements for patriots, yes, it is anti-aircraft, because it is very important, the governor of the state is... shapiro is a democrat, he's the host, he's the organizer, actually, he has to be present during, during this meeting, because it's his territory, he's not a republican, he can invite, some representatives of the republican party, maybe do not invite

the ukrainian side, in principle, most likely, did not think about this, yes, about such a context, since in the summer, in july, when president zelensky was in the states, it was preliminary. visit, he was in a state, i think utah, there was a republican governor, accordingly, they signed some kind of partnership agreement between this state and some ukrainian region, region, yes, ukraine, it was the same here, so it seems to be a symmetrical situation, there were no democrats there either and nothing, nobody, joseph biden, then still a candidate for the presidency, did not throw any tantrums, so, well that's fine, but see with donald trump. the republicans don't work like that, if they want to find a loophole, they will find any, and here, well, maybe the embassy, ​​or the ambassador, or someone in the embassy, ​​should have calculated and suggested and worked out this issue, it is not was mandatory, i say once again, it is not ukraine's fault here, but in

assessing the risks, well, they probably did not underestimate the risks, especially since president zelensky, when he gave an interview as soon as he arrived in the states... in the american press seems to it was the new yorker magazine, but this video, we, we, we saw where, in principle , zelensky himself began to respond and not only about jay divens, it is absolutely correct, we, we agree with his assessments, but maybe they are not it was necessary to express it at that moment, it was possible to say it earlier, and before the visit and see the reaction, or later, because, well, these words do not always have an effect. well, i immediately suspected that this man had come to campaign for us, for our opponents, for our competitors, well, it looked like this, well it really looked like that, oh such a jaded american consumer, it could look like that, it could, i agree with that, but then again, in this case, the key

issue was to address the presidential candidates, in addition to dealing with the current president , probably it should have been limited in the promotion of these. our national interests and this plan of victory, as it is called by our side, well , the name, with the official authorities, then there would be no, there would be no these, there would be no context of the election campaign and maybe we would have succeeded to avoid a scandal, but unfortunately it was not possible, unfortunately, so one more, one more speech, one more visit of volodymyr zelenskyi during his visit to the united states of america at the general assembly of the united organization. and this was the third speech of volodymyr zelenskyi during the full-scale invasion, mr. volodymyr, how many more such speeches should there be, well, these speeches are about nothing, i understand the first speech in the 22nd year, it is necessary to consolidate the world, to hear the president of ukraine, who consolidates the world in support of ukraine, 22nd

year, the 23rd year, well, there is even more work to be done, the 24th year to appeal from this high platform, again about the same thing that you said in the 22nd in the 23rd and... and no result, well, here i agree that by and large , such a result, which we would like to expect, will not happen, it did not happen in the past years. well, although the diplomats say that there are still a number of countries there, there will be a resolution, there will be a vote for a resolution of some kind, maybe in the near future, we are there, we will count these votes, compare them with previous resolutions, that's right so to speak, well, the test is a certain distribution of forces in the world, and therefore you have to go, you have to speak, you have to meet, you have to convince, in the 22nd year in the 23rd 24th, the problem here is not in ukraine and not in our speeches and not in speechwriters and not performers. this problem is in the united nations system, but that does not mean that this platform should be bypassed or

if, well, there was another, another, another speech at this general assembly, the president of argentina, miley, when he went and spoke, and in his speech, he characterized the un as an absolutely meaningless powerlessness the organization, i.e. criticized it, went to them and criticized them there, well... the gesture is beautiful, the gesture is effective, but i don’t think that it will benefit argentina, this kind of general criticism of everything and everyone, without any specifics, or without proposals, either constructive, or without or with proposals that are not judged to be realistic, that is, after all, even miley with a critical attitude still uses the platform to criticize the very system of the united nations organization, so... we unfortunately, we live in such a world moment, the un, of course, needs to be reformed,

as does the entire system of international relations, but in what way will it be reformed, whether in a legal way, or where the rights of nations like ours and small, small states will be guaranteed and ensured, or in power, where the rights of only the strong will be ensured, all others, so to speak, will voluntarily adapt to the interests of the so- called great powers. and if the un system will be reformed, then probably only after another very global upheaval, which it is customary to call them world warriors, but after each world war the world order changes, a new system is established, new bodies are created, some may be later, there was a league of nations, we know that after the first world war, after the second world war , the united nations, well, after the third, it is possible yes they will find another name, well, let's see, of course, i would not like this shake-up to happen, but

nothing is known about a person, although with an inhuman called vladimir putin. well, thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, for today's conversation very interesting, they talked about the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, discussed this visit from different angles to the united states of america, what he said, who he met with, and what is the benefit of this visit, and what problems should be paid attention to, talked about. mr. volodymyr, as always, gave answers to my questions in great detail, very reasoned, thank you very much, volodymyr horbach, executive director of the institute for the transformation of northern eurasia. well, that's the end of today's espresso interview due to lack of time. as usual, my name is yuriy fizar and see you soon.

from september 23 to 28, the 79th un general assembly will be held, and you know, everyone is preparing for it, each country is preparing for it in its own way, for example, ukraine, president zelenskyi went there with a plan that, well, in its essence is a plan that must force russia. well, to peace, in fact. and what has russia prepared? well, she prepared, of course, some new threats, some new screams and cries, and new fakes, new lies, new fabrications. one of these fabrications is that russian propagandists finally, you know, concentration camps were found on the territory of russia. and these are not the filtration concentration camps that we have heard about since the 22nd. year, which are known to everyone because the population of the kharkiv,

zaporizhzhya, donetsk, luhansk, and kherson regions passed through them, not the concentration camps in which hundreds of mariupol residents who tried to leave the city, which was literally being destroyed by the russian army, disappeared, no , these are not those, these are phantom concentration camps that seem to exist in kursk oblast. we have numerous witness data, they were collected by the headquarters of the russian red cross in kursk about the creation by the fighters of the armed forces of the russian federation of border police constables. where they place local residents at gunpoint who, for various reasons, could not leave dangerous areas. one of the ukrainian prisoners of war reported an attack that was being prepared on a passenger train. all of this is being documented, including new facts of the shooting of civilians by ukrainians and

their brutal treatment. well, these are fictions, well, let's start with this story that i told. about how preparations were being made, the shooting of the train was being prepared, well, everyone we know in what condition ukrainian prisoners of war come from captivity, and how many of them still remain there, that they are not allowed to see any independent observers, no international red crosses, nothing, that when they arrive, they are exhausted, hungry, after torture, and we see all this, therefore, of course, when russia shows some ukrainian prisoner of war who tells something... we also have to understand that this is a person who can tell anything after torture, and this is exactly what the russian showed propaganda, and you know, well, myself the text that this prisoner told, it seems that he is telling it only in order to tell us once again, look, you can only say this after you

have been tortured, i think that we can do it look, let's just... listen, because this is just such a, you know, a vivid example of how ukrainian prisoners of war are used, how they are forced to speak frankly, delusionally and untruthfully. a captured soldier of the ukrainian armed forces told about another crime of the kyiv regime, his unit was ordered to fire on the passenger plane train in kursk region. the ukrainians went to work with nato small arms, they prepared an ambush in the vicinity of korenev. they gathered us and said: we need to shoot the train, why would russia officially declare war on ukraine? what train? civil. we were there for about two weeks, more than 12 days. there was no train? there was no train. we didn't even

wait. well, mechnya, yes, they sat for 12 days, eh... they were waiting for a train, you know why it’s moyachnya, because on august 8 there was an announcement from the moscow railway that the stations on the suzha and korenovo psel stations are temporarily closed for passengers, and trains there simply from these stations do not go to these stations, this is another message from august 8, how can you imagine this, in ukraine, they do not read anything, yes there there is no intelligence that is not aware that the trains are not running, no, they sit and wait for 12 days, well, it is clear that this person sends us a signal in this way that, well , apparently, she is subjected to torture, because what else can you say to such a delusional person impossible, only after torture, and this i believe, there is one more proof torture of captured ukrainians, if they

are forced to tell such and such frank nonsense and such frank fantasies and such frank nonsense. well, after all, these conversations about concentration camps, of course , no one has heard of any concentration camp anywhere, does not tell, they do not tell about them, which is characteristic, and those people who are in the territory controlled by the ukrainian army, well, that is, in general, at night, this is just fiction actually maria zakharova from the ministry of foreign affairs and maybe some other propagandists there, but what are people saying, how it... looks like after they get to the russian territory, it looks like this: 40 days under the sights of artillery guns, under drones, under mines, 40 days in captivity of war, from the conquered village, they were taken away by the military and volunteers, you see, quite alive and well, no matter how many times we buried them,

even the dogs are intact, even the dogs are intact. alive and well, but where are the conversations about the terrible concentration camps? it would seem that no, there is no such talk about concentration camps, at all, and everyone, you see, somehow turned out that way, nothing happened to him at all, for some reason, and this is all that is characteristic, but within the framework of one issue, and they literally just told about the camps, they tell right away that everyone is alive, healthy, somehow no one killed them, of course, this does not prevent, right away, to tell about the that the terrible nazis came and killed everyone, and again, this is ... exclusively some kind of propagandist talk, because the people themselves don't talk about it. support and sympathy to all residents of our southern border, and especially to the residents of the kursk region, who on august 6 of this year suffered

a terrible terrorist attack, brutalized ukrainian nazis who crossed the border. who shot civilians, sparing no children, no old people, no women. i liked how the orcs and the horde compare themselves to this situation, again with the horde, this is an absolute raid, what an hour and...

the banks in the shed are thin goats, in the cellars untouched they disappeared without a trace, neither alive nor dead, with pickles, under the rubble of bricks did not even have a wheelchair, on which the mother moved. nearby was their headquarters,

it was a good position, my house, probably, from for this purpose, they were taken out so that they would not interfere, such missing persons appeared in every village where the armed forces were stationed. that is, disabled people, wheelchair users, and old people appeared in every village. who were taken as prisoners for what, to treat them there, well, why else, what else, why are there such prisoners, what else can be done with them, you can only mess with them, treat them, moreover, you see, a shell flew there, after - firstly, everything is lying down, somehow nothing was looted for some reason, everything is standing, goats are standing, food is standing, everything is standing, and in fact, their terrible nats they were taken out, it turns out, only to save them from a russian bomb that... flew there, and that it was a russian bomb, you know, there is not even a single, not a single doubt, the way the russians fight, they know very well, how they fight themselves, well, that’s

another thing, there is another story that is wonderful, in the village of lebedivka in the kurdistan region, where the residents suddenly learned that they are already being talked about as those who were killed, they are alive, beautiful, sitting next to their houses, the houses are still the same... but russian propaganda has already told that they were killed. why go far, if we were abandoned, no one even cared about us, no one thought about us, we simply disappeared, so what, well, people disappeared and disappeared, well, to hell with them, and people like us, here we are, sverdlikivka , quinoa, lokhni, darina, each village has 20-30 lokhni, 180 people. those who are not worried, thank you for helping us, for bringing us food, water to drink, bringing everything for the children, here is the head of the village council for four villages, we have a head,

he lives with us in lebedivka, he gave up everything, he didn’t even say anything , he said only his and he left, he doesn't even know who stayed here, where we are and what, they announced that they drove us to the club and set fire to everyone, they said that normally, imagine, my relatives will hear that, my son. wait again, who set fire to whom? your people set fire to us, drove everyone to the club and set fire to those who remained in the swan house, that's how our conversations went, fool, well, just imagine, our relatives, my son lives in peter, imagine, he doesn't know where we are or what, in kharkiv , i have a sister and two brothers, all godfathers, can you imagine if they would see such a thing, say such a thing, and ours people, why talk like that? and this is an interesting question, what is it to talk about, about some ghostly concentration camps, about the fact that everyone is kidnapped and taken away, it is literally unknown why? what

to tell these legends, well, besides the fact that the russian propagandists are lying, in principle, as soon as they open their mouths, they lie immediately, but there is actually a completely, let's say this, pragmatic purpose for this, what are they doing this for they tell, and about it, one of the chiefs of this district, who is there now , on whose territory all this is happening, well so frankly enough, in principle, he said when there is why, why they... he did not say, of course, that we are like that, but he said why they are taking out, that's the same reason why they lie about the fact that all have already died in these territories, which are now held by ukrainian troops, they are afraid of an attack from the ukrainian glukhov, where units of the armed forces are located, for the safety of our residents, they are evacuating, this is a forced measure in the presence

of our civilians, if... that the enemy comes here, as we can in these territories practice weapons? well, that 's what they say for that, because if you already say in advance that everyone was killed there, and then these people just throw a bunch of cabs there, these people will really die, well, you can always say that they were nazis, so what also, this is how they work with the russians, that’s for sure, moreover, they don’t even hide that otherwise... they don’t know how and won’t and can’t fight, moreover, now they really do fight like that, including to their territories, so if the ukrainians took someone there, well, they they saved these people and did not take them away, well yes, but most likely nothing, they will tell later that they were killed. a month has already passed

since the invasion of kursk territory. and today in the official reports it is said that we are repelling attacks, but there are still no reports that we are advancing and liberating certain territories, or almost none, that is, there are problems here, they objectively exist, because in fact, if the enemy settled in captured villages and settlements in the forest belt, and in order to knock him out from there it is necessary to... destroy everything that is there, in the same way as it happens on the front line, that is, destroy your villages, your settlements, your forests, well, that is why they say that the residents of lebedivka have already been burned, that the others have already gone somewhere they brought out that there are some ghost concentration camps somewhere, because they don't know how to do it otherwise, well, in the end, in addition to these conversations, other fakes, and

this... well, they get out and somehow the russians themselves have already started such a movement, you know, in russia among the patriots, now they will be harassed by the leadership of the ministry of defense for the fact that they did not prepare for this very breach of the border, well, literally the biggest and most important voice here is, as it turned out, everyone was quietly saying something somewhere, but... well, let's say what we can and let's talk about it , it turned out to be nikita mikhalkov, who the other day, he has a besogan program there, which really has a lot of views, and they show it literally on everyone, on everyone, on all platforms, and now he has opened such a new one like a page of russian propaganda to tell that there are some evil people who are not prepared well enough to invade. and

with this they will actually try to cover up all the other bad news from the kursk and other regions that are located on the russian border, that is, the search for those guilty who did not build something there will begin now, apparently, and do not doubt that they of course they will be found, they will be found, but this is the beginning. the terrible thing is, it took the armed forces of ukraine no more than a day. so that the fortifications that were supposed to cross the border and overcome all the so-called border between russia and ukraine. they were built for 2 and a half years. about 15 billion rubles were spent on them, as they say. maksym vasiliev, a deputy of the kursk regional duma, said that the border between russia and ukraine is, so to speak, locked.

listen. the armed forces of ukraine know otherwise