with ron desantis, the governor of florida, who said at the time that supporting ukraine has nothing to do with american security at all, and therefore we need to rethink our support for ukraine, but this particular senator said that no, it is precisely supporting ukraine in this war with russia that is very an important element in the american security policy, so both of them did not even lift a finger at volodymyr zelenskyi, and they clearly said: if you want help, do not get into the american one. criticism, mr. volodymyr, more questions than answers, are there any answers? well, there are questions, there are answers, there are even options for answers, you can, you can, you can go over them, but i will say this here that this advice not to get involved in the domestic politics of the united states or in the american elections, this is very practical advice, and if it was made before the visit, she would have appreciated it without this advice, but now... it already looks like a scandal,

conflict and accusations, including from american senators, or members of the chamber or congressmen, that's the main thing the key problem and miscalculation, i'll put it this way, the mistake of the ukrainian delegation, not only president zelenskyi, he heads the delegation, but there were people who prepared, conducted negotiations and so on, but the key strategic thing is that... when you come, when the presidential elections are held in america, all the more so, with such intense passions and such high, high stakes in them, it is the same as stepping into a minefield, you never know where something will blow you up, where, where the mine is laid, or you, or you will be accused or because you said something wrong, or because you didn't say, it can also be perceived as guilt, you didn't say in someone's support or in someone's excuse. and the beginning,

as we now see the problem, was laid when president zelensky announced that he wanted to present his victory plan not only to president biden, as the current president, on whom the decision depends here and now, but also to both presidential candidates, so so to speak, cast your fishing rod for the future, and build there, try to establish a connection and build with both candidates just in case. if someone one of them will still win, but we will work with them, continue this plan, and this was, in my opinion, a critical mistake of ours, our ukrainian strategy in this case, which did not take into account the psychotype of donald trump, he is not the kind of person who will put up with the fact that he is put on the same board with his opponent, yes he immediately from the press, we now learn that he wanted to meet with president zelensky on his territory at his rancho maralago in florida, yes it would be a private one... in a private atmosphere simply

was like with orban before, zelensky would just be such a private guest at donald trump's estate, and our side quite rightly regarded this as undesirable, because it was really, it would be if we signaled to society that zelensky is trump's friend, they are friends and everything will be fine, and this is a form, so to speak, of almost campaigning for trump on the ukrainian side. asked for a meeting on neutral territory, and it is obvious, well, the election headquarters of donald trump did not like it, he personally, and therefore these pressures about the visit to pennsylvania, this is where it all started, they started building a scandal already on this, if you did not agree to our terms, then you are an enemy, then you work for our competitor, donald trump said so and so, which is obvious zelensky is interested in the victory of kamala harris, so he behaves as if. although

there was absolutely nothing seditious or pre-election in the visit to this factory, the fact that congressmen and republicans were not invited there, perhaps there was some some malfunction, i think that lindsey graham would definitely go, well, they are all focused on their constituencies, on their election campaign and on wasting time on someone else's territory. there will be no time, there is, but the fact that, well, the nuances are not taken into account here, that this is still the hometown, well, the city where the current president biden was born, what kind of factory is there, and that is why trump and his team perceive him to until now, biden as his main opponent, it was not considered to me on the ranch, but to him on the homeland, yes jealousy is certain, well, there are many psychological nuances that actually speak badly. not

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the ad, there was information, literally tons of information about what was already happening, because this the meeting is probably happening behind closed doors somewhere now. what happened during the meeting of the approach of joe biden and volodymyr zelenskyi to journalists, so volodymyr zelenskyi at the meeting with trump stated that they have a common point of view, trump did not miss his favorite topic and once again reminded about it, reminded everyone, because we have already heard it many times, what good relations he has with putin, and volodymyr zelenskyi answered it, i hope that we have. you still have a better relationship than putin, well i wish it was better than putin, but you never know what kind of relationship you have with donald trump, because he is a man who can become president, but how do we know , this person even in the post of president could say, today one thing, tomorrow something else,

the day after tomorrow to return to the first one, well , that’s why, but i would like that this relationship between volodymyr zelenskyi and donald trump would still be better than that of trump and putin and that they would... agree on something, settle all these problematic eyes situations that arose between them. mr. volodymyr, something about you, i have the impression that the relationship between trump and zelensky is worse than yesterday and the day before yesterday were not yet, and this was the bottom, so to speak, the peak of the decline of these relations, because donald trump, in principle, at his rallies, communicating with his voters and the press, if i were to use unkind criticism of president zelenskyi and of ukraine in general as such, that is, in principle, by and large, it would be possible to work anti-ukrainian propaganda, well, this is a style, this is a showman, we must understand what we have. with two showmen, well, people from show business who came to politics from show business, people who are

quite narcissistic and perhaps historical in places, especially donald trump, and their meeting today, it could bring, well, an explosive mixture, lead to a huge even bigger scandal because that how was the communication between our delegation and trump's headquarters and the republican party. this is a scandal, and it is very interesting and unexpected that this scandal is now being tried to be covered up, and both sides, formally the ukrainian side turned to the headquarters of donald trump for the organization of this meeting, which is currently taking place, but taking into account everything said earlier by the republicans, others there congress and trump himself, the fact that they agreed, it means that this coincided with their desire. uh, donald trump obviously feels like he's going to lose the election campaign, and when

began to make a scandal with zelenskyi, probably emotionally very strongly, hysterically, i, i would even say so, then by this they gave a signal to their own voters, well, to other observers of the american elections, that they are in a bad situation, hysteria is a manifestation of weakness, and this is when the candidate or the team from... feel that they have already lost, that they are going to lose something, and today's sociology also says that, well, about 7%, 5-7% lag in trump's rating from haris, and something must be done about it, and the scandal with 7, and the scandal with zelenskiy does not add anything, he does not add new voters to donald trump, and there are already not enough old ones, so we have to fight for ukrainians or voters of ukrainian origin in the states, and therefore we have to put up with it. everything politicians say during the election campaign, you should not

believe that they are saying it honestly, behind it is the direct interest of their strategy to win the votes of voters, they will say anything to please and win the election, and trump is here if, not an exception, on the contrary, he is the gold standard of such political, if pragmatism, cynicism or, or unprincipledness, even, i would say so, that is, he can say yesterday that zelensky is sticking some small pins into him, he sticks in the love of your beloved president, that is , me, this is a quote, yes, trump’s communication with his voters, and today he can already speak, meet, invite, receive on his territory, well, then the question is, look, we understand that trump is trying to return it. as you say, to bring back ukrainians, voters of ukrainian origin, in particular, and not only, not only, but

and those people who are not of ukrainian origin, but support ukraine, for example, will this meeting help the ukrainian side to somehow correct the situation in which they found themselves, well, if there is no scandal today, then yes, well, at least this will soften, soften this feeling of a certain scandal and uh... such a feeling of catastrophism, but what will happen to our relations if trump wins, you see how bad the relations between the presidents are, if they were fighting alone with one and accordingly the help will stop and we we will be forced to capitulate, these expectations could have been increased, now after this meeting, it is possible to soften these eyes, it is not to soften these expectations, no, not everything can be so bad, you can go back to the previous relative for at least a week , and before that, it is not trump, and neither divens

nor trump, nor these trumpists are friends or supporters of ukraine and never have been and never will be, and it is impossible, so to speak, to sway them to our side, but no you have to position yourself as theirs the enemies there and to put themselves under their displeasure, again if they have already gone to the mine. field, then walk very, very carefully and not step on the same mine twice, in this case, well, it seems to me that the ukrainian side, the ukrainian authorities, have now made the same mistake for the second time... the same mistake as in the 19th year, when the phone call between trump and zelensky, and this started the impeachment procedure of president trump. this does not mean that it is not necessary to communicate at all, but it is necessary to bypass critical points, election campaigns and some political crises, and understand who are we, well, ukraine is talking to in this situation, with what psychological

features, this politician or presidential candidate, well... yes, they are inseparable, they are natural for him, and this should be taken into account, i think you say that you don't hit the same mine twice, there are probably two mines here, because you have to take into account that president trump may become president, he may not become president, but the trumpists will still remain in congress and therefore in any case there are even those two mines, so let's move on to another one, but still, speaker the house of representatives, this is the lower house of the american congress, mike johnson wrote a letter and... he proposed, he didn't even propose, he expressed a demand, it was a demand to release the ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, oksana markarov, it was still some kind of malfunction of the embassy, maybe the embassies together with the president's office because they were preparing this visit, well, back to this to pennsylvania and this weapons factory,

as far as i understand, i could be wrong. i did not prepare this visit is not dedicated to details, but from an outside observer, as far as i understand, the initiative to visit this plant came from the ukrainian side, because this plant is really important for us, for our defense capability, it not only produces shells, but also missiles, or rather, elements of missiles for patriots, yes it is anti-aircraft, it is very important, the governor of the state is shapiro, a democrat, he is on the receiving side. he is the organizer in fact, he must be present during this meeting, because well, this is his territory, he is not a republican, he can invite some representatives of the republican party may not be invited, the ukrainian side in principle most likely did not think about this, and about such a context, since in the summer, in july, when president zelensky

was in the states, he was a previous visit, he was in the state, it seems utah, there... the republican governor, accordingly signed some kind of partnership agreement between this state and some ukrainian region, region and ukraine, it was the same here, so it seems to be a symmetrical situation, there were no democrats there either and nothing, joseph biden, then he was still a candidate for the presidency, he didn't have any tantrums, so, well, it's normal, but you see, with donald trump and the republicans, it doesn't work out that way, if they want to find it. a loophole, then they will find any, and here, well, maybe the embassy, ​​or the ambassador, or someone in the embassy should have calculated this and suggested and worked out this issue, it was not mandatory, i say once again, it is ukraine's fault here no, but in the risk assessment, they probably underestimated the risks, especially since president zelensky, when he immediately arrived in the states, he gave

an interview with the american press, it seems that it was a new yorker. magazine, but this video, we, we saw where, in principle, zelensky himself began to respond and not only about jay divens, it is absolutely correct, we, we agree with his assessments, only perhaps they should not have been expressed at that moment, it was possible it is either to say it earlier before the visit and see the reaction, or later, because the effect of these statements is not always there, well, there was a suspicion right away that this man. came to campaign for ours, for our opponents, for our competitors, mr. volodymyr, well, it looked like this, well, it really looked like this, oh such an experienced american consumer, it could look like this, it could, i agree with that, but once again then in this case the key question was to address the candidates in the presidency, in addition to dealing with the current president, it was probably worth limiting ourselves to the promotion

of our national interests and this plan of victory, as it is called by our side, well, the name, with the official authorities, then it would not have been there would be none, no would have been in the context of the election campaign and perhaps we would have managed to avoid a scandal, but unfortunately we did not succeed, unfortunately, one more, one more speech, one more visit by volodymyr zelenskyi during his visit to the united states of america at the general assembly of the organization of of the united nations, this was volodymyr zelenskyi's third speech during the full-scale...invasion, mr. volodymyr, how many more such speeches should there be, well, these speeches are about nothing, i understand the first speech in the 22nd year, it is necessary to consolidate the world, to hear the president of ukraine, who is consolidating the world in... in support of ukraine, the 22nd year, the 23rd year, well, even more, there is a little work to be done, the 24th year, addressing this high rostrum, again about the same thing that you said in the 22nd, in the 23rd, and

there is no result, well, here i agree that by and large there will not be such a result that we would like to expect, it was not there in the past years, well although diplomats say that it is still there. the number of countries of the resolution will be voting for the resolution in the near future and there these votes we let's count and compare with the previous resolutions, so to speak, well, there is also a certain balance of forces in the world, and that's why we need to go, we need to speak, we need to meet in the convinced year in the 23rd, 24th, the problem here is not in ukraine and not in our speeches and not in speechwriters and not in performers, this is the whole problem in the system of the organization of the united nations, but it is not... that this site should be bypassed or it, if, well, there was another, another, another speech at this general assembly, the president

of argentina miley, when, well he went and spoke, and in his speech characterized the un as an absolutely meaningless, powerless organization, that is, he criticized them, he went to them and criticized them there, well, the gesture is beautiful, the gesture is effective. but i don't think that it will benefit argentina, this kind of general criticism of everything and everything, without any specific, or without proposals, or constructive, or without, or with such proposals that are not evaluated as realistic, that is, after all, even millais, with a critical attitude, still uses the podium to criticize the very system of the united nations organization, that's why we live in such a world, unfortunately, and at such a moment, it... of course needs to be reformed, like the entire system of international relations, but in what way will it be reformed, whether in a legal way, or where rights will be guaranteed and ensured nations

like ours and small, small states, or in a power system, where the rights of only the strong will be ensured, all others, so to speak, will voluntarily adapt to the interests of the so-called great powers, and if the un system is reformed, then... probably only after another very global upheaval, which is called world warriors, but after every world war the world order changes, is consolidated by some new system, new, new bodies are created, someone, maybe later, there was a league of nations, we know after the first world war, after of the second world organization of the united nations, well, after the third, it is possible that they will find another name, well, let's see, of course, i would not like this shakeup... to be, but with a person, albeit with a non-human, called vladimir putin, nothing is known. well, thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, for today's conversation, it was very interesting,

we talked about the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, we discussed this visit to the united states of america from different angles, what he said, who he met with, and what was the benefit from this visit, and what problems should be paid attention to, were discussed in great detail, in a very argumentative manner. mr. volodymyr, as always, answered my questions, thank you very much, volodymyr horbach, executive director of the institute of transformation northern eurasia. well, due to lack of time, i have to finish today's espresso interview. as usual, my name is yuriy fizar and see you soon. vitaly portnikov, khrystyna yatskiv, andriy smoliy and invited experts based on facts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events. if you want

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