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affect our lives, of course, the news feed reports about them, but it is not enough to know what is happening, it is necessary to understand, antin borkovskyi and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future, every saturday at 1:10 p.m. with a repeat at 10:00 p.m. , studio event with anton borkovsky at espresso. we are coming back and we managed to renew contact with igor reiterovich, although we will talk on the phone, at least we will hear if we can't see. mr. igor, roman and i also started talking about this nuclear kolomiyka. as a result behind russia, lukashenko also began to say that i am powerful and can stop and threaten everyone if you use something against belarus, if nato attacks belarus. then i can

use nuclear weapons, what are they, he is trying to demonstrate that he can do something else, well, lukashenko, in this way he simply attracts attention. for himself, he thus increases, so to speak, his importance, on the one hand in the eyes of putin, on the other hand, as he believes in the eyes, including of western countries, that i am such that i can be contacted it is not necessary, and it is clear that the importance of the importance inside belarus is increasing as much as possible, let us not forget the elections there, and with all the conventionality of this process, with all the conventionality of this process, it is clear that he needs to go to these elections with some theses, apparently he chooses. thesis that it may all be bad, and i have been a dictator here for a long, long time, but at least you don't have any kind of war, and that's why he needs to disperse this topic, the story is there with nuclear weapons, and that some mythical attack to belarus, it will be the beginning of the third world war there, it is basically from this opera, and it is

so certain, as he considers it a warning and a certain service to putin, because it is , as it were, an additional signal to western countries in the context of that nuclear blackmail, which again repeated... the russian federation yes, but at the same time igor, look, we understand this game of lukashenko, it already resembles some comic passages, stand-ups, they attack from one side, and they attack from the other, no, it is also understandable, in principle, not even, china's sharp statement, about stop threatening nuclear application in ukraine, because the chinese communists are the beneficiaries, and they need, as they say, business to spin, and not some kind of nuclear winter, but... what about brazil, are they just walking in the fairway to beijing, or do they also have some of their own interest, because they also openly opposed the nuclear blackmail of the kremlin, well, they are on the one hand somewhere in the forvater, although they believe that they are not forvater, they are, as it were, equal, but they move in parallel, and

for these countries, indeed, well, in china just their own reasons, brazil has a little of its own, for them it is reasonable for brazil, well, it is reasonable for brazil to speculate on this topic in general, that is, that this... topic is, you know, one that attracts attention, brazil is not a nuclear country, and this is a certain problem for them, they understand that in such a case they are in a worse condition, because the nuclear countries have that resource there with the help of which they can blackmail, manipulate and so on, they don't even want those countries that are potentially their partners to do it, and here they are promoting this topic , want to do something there, do it only with conventional weapons, and do not scare with something that, well, in this case brazil simply does not have, so they have... their interest here and they defend it seriously enough, it is for us, by the way, so small, small , a small, but nevertheless a plus, that it is possible, at least on this topic, on this topic, to somehow cooperate with them and try to promote this very story, it is precisely these same china and brazil that made, created, are creating a platform, called

they are friends of peace, orban has already joined, by the way, the essence of this platform is to to urgently start peace negotiations in order to end the war. against ukraine, well , but when there is brazil, when there is china and orban, then we understand that somehow support for ukraine, even neutrality, does not particularly smell there, how the kremlin can influence, what it has to do with this platform and what can be consequences, well, the kremlin will say that it may have nothing to do with this directly, but you see, there is such an opinion and this opinion, it contradicts the position of, for example, western countries, it will be interesting to begin with let's see... how many countries can enter this platform in general, now there is talk of something going on there, just about two dozen. hungary, by the way, stated that they might join this too, but in fact everything will depend on who will gather there and what exactly they will do, it can be just a one-time action, or very there, well, they will not often

be somehow to meet or communicate, conventionally speaking on skype, or there may be a more serious story if they really present some detailed plan. this plan, for example, will be supported by russia federation, and then, well, there will be a certain problem, because in fact, roughly speaking, there will be two plans, and it will be necessary to think and choose, on the basis of which to solve the problem of the russian-ukrainian war in general in the future, and i think that in the west it is just fine they understand this, and that is why there is so much criticism, well-founded criticism in general of all such initiatives and statements that, well, if you are so smart, please present your vision specifically, how you are going to solve it. in accordance with the charter of the united nations organization, since they still have there are no answers, i think that this will be a pr story for now, but russia will try to pump it up and will say that not only is there a position of ukraine and the west itself, but there is a position of other countries, even if it is not very detailed, but it is present and even to a certain extent institutionalized in the form of such

a platform friends of peace. yes, but in stubbornness , the same thing keeps coming back to us in recent weeks, today's market elpais. this is again about the same thing for fish money, but for pressure on kyiv, regarding negotiations, and kyiv will be forced to make painful concessions, then who is pressuring us? well, look, this is such pressure, well, not so much pressure from our partners there, but objective reality, come on, seriously, yes, there are different scenarios, we understand that, but ukraine presented its victory plan, about which we know nothing we do not know, unfortunately, yes, because it was presented there by a western partner, some western partners say that there may be other scenarios, including less favorable ones, not the ones, for example, that ukraine wants, and about them, at least you have to... think just in case, so that later it does not happen that this scenario will be written to us and they will say that everything, without alternatives,

it must be implemented, this does not mean some kind of big betrayal and that we have to drop everything and immediately adapt to these scenarios, this first of all means that we must have backup plans , including, therefore, one of the statements there before the meeting in the united states was precisely that ukraine, well, ukraine was asked to develop a plan b there just in case, which is not in the plan there. impasse of russia, no, but what plan, well, for example, it is more realistic with looking there at the possibility of a quick return of the territories within the borders of 1991, that is, that there were simply different options, and depending on how events will develop, these options could be implemented, until we formulate these options ourselves and do not openly talk about them , or we will not work out a list of arguments that will smash all these other options, so to speak, to pieces, yes, we will have such reports in various... magazines, where, with reference to european and other officials, they will write that it is necessary a more realistic view

some backup plan is needed, and ukraine will have to make certain compromises, that is, when you do not have the initiative, it is clear that they will try to impose this initiative on you from somewhere outside, and it is even more difficult when you first say that we only have plan a, there is no plan b, and then on the second day you say that if plan a is not adopted by the allies, then we will live according to plan b. such dualism is also around. to us, mr. igor, thank you for participating in our program, you, igor reiterovich, were with the viewers of espresso. now with us on anatoliy khrepchynskyi, deputy general director of the company for the production of electronic warfare equipment and an aviation expert. mr. anatoly, glory to ukraine. glory. it is already known about seven dead and 12 seriously injured. it's about today's chess hit on sums, and we know it was two hits. there was one attack and in a moment another. yes, it looks terrible, we will now try to demonstrate it, we know that the russians now have

80-70-80 shaheds every night, this is already their norm, a huge number, and this has been going on for weeks, have a plan to launch such a very powerful, almost round-the-clock regime of attacks on ukraine, and we see what is going on, what to do about it, how to defend yourself, and when it comes to double strikes like today, is it possible? the ability to react quickly to at least avoid the second one, that is, when we already know where it is flying, is there an opportunity for the defenders of the sky, air defense, mobile groups to work there, or does it not happen so quickly? let's start with what, in fact, if we talk about calling the shaheds, then for this month we already see a large amount, that is, if earlier we saw that up to 400 pieces were used there per month, now it is about 1,200, which can be stated. and so i would start by saying that we are faced with the fact that

it is definitely necessary to talk about the strengthening of the air defense capability at the expense of, for example, ah, again, at the expense of allowing, for example, the increase of air defense systems, the increase of electronic warfare systems, but taking into account the number of shaheds used by the russian federation, it is necessary to speak of a strategic one solution in this matter, because we see that russia and putin dictator putin declares. regarding the increase in the production capacity of uavs, we see that they are trying to create technological parks where certain developments will be made there, that is, we are saying that now there is an active need to create strategic solutions, and at the expense of what they can be done, the account of long-range strikes on prices, on means of production, that is, we are saying that now is the time to communicate more actively with our western partners regarding the reduction. the possibilities, the possibilities of the potential of the russian federation due to strikes on their territory, because no air defense,

even if all the anti-aircraft forces side with ukraine, they will not be able to protect against such an influx of drones used by the russian federation, moreover, the russian federation is actively modernizing , we can see starlinks directly in the shaheds, this is due to the fact that communication is needed, that is, we see certain means of communication that are used by the russian federation, that is, they may not only... to be used as an attack drone, and also to collect information, i.e. what my eyes were deprived of due to the knocking out of radar systems like the a50 and long-range detection due to which they... saw most of the territories of ukraine, later we started to work against their reconnaissance drones, with anti-aircraft drones, ours is also successful, but in any case it is necessary to understand that the number of weapons used by the russian federation, the cabs that they use every day on the territory of kharkiv region, sumy region, we now see already zaporizhzhia are starting to work as cabals, it is possible to solve this issue only through

strategic decisions, that is, strikes on the territory of the russian federation, on production facilities, on warehouses. mr. anatoly, well... it's always a race between a missile and air defense, and in this case we see it all the time, we were announced yesterday that one of the results of the overseas visit of the ukrainian delegation will be the strengthening of air defense for the winter period, so somehow it sounded strange, then we expect something more concrete than was promised or how to decipher it and what exactly is the experience of ukraine, yes, there is the experience of ukraine, when ukraine leased air defense equipment, that is, we can say that it is possible now to expand a certain technology, that is, certain legal possibilities that will allow us, for example, to increase the air defense system, we very often talk about certain possibilities, we see congressmen who say that we could use retired american pilots, but here we have to talk about the legal

component, because let's remember when the netherlands offered to the world that in we have a solution in this matter, and we can purchase air defense and transfer it to ukraine, that is, so that it is not difficult for you, we purchase it, and we know how to transfer it to ukraine, so here, in addition to the political component, there is also a legal component , which significantly limits some countries in the ability to somehow transfer their own opposition to , well, you are talking about actually some such not unexpected civil procedure in leasing, and before that it was stated from the un podium that... intelligence data confirms, at least four nuclear power plants in the depths of the country are under threat, respectively, whether it is about leasing to protect these objects of nuclear energy, or whether it is about large cities, whether we will have enough, whether we will have to solve a hundred permanent ukrainian dilemmas, or the city

protect, or the reactors are nuclear, in any case, it should not be a dilemma, because there is importance both there and there, and here one must understand that diplomacy must be actively worked here regarding the possibility of obtaining anti-aircraft defense equipment, regarding the possibility of internal military-industrial development of the complex, which would work on the production of anti-aircraft defense systems, because we see certain possibilities of our manufacturers, they are already actively working on the creation of systems that would protect the air space, due to the reduction in the cost of means of destruction, we now see an unusual one. bass drones are a force, so the government is doing everything possible to save the population, both directly and directly, and we must not forget who we are fighting, not fighting according to the rules for residential buildings, the operation of electronic

warfare equipment, because it will be accurate there, but it is in a densely populated area, that is, we are talking about here we need to work directly with carriers or with manufacturers, so the main task now is definitely the creation of possible legal aspects that would allow air defense equipment to be leased, strengthened at the expense of own trenches, ugh , in addition to what you said just a few minutes ago, here are the latest statistics from all of them: 1,163 drones were launched in ukraine in the last month of september, which has not yet ended. let me remind you, this is the largest number. there were more, the previous figure is 785, one and a half times less, it was in august, that is, however, it is about the pace, before that it was 423, in fact, every month they increase

the number of these shaheds that are launched in ukraine by one and a half times, and they still are engaged in that they are just improving now, how they try to protect their drones, when they launch them over ukraine, they paint them, they paint ukrainian emblems, symbols, thinking that we will accept theirs as ours and not shoot them down, they set up cameras in the back, how effective are all these methods, well again qualitatively a trained pilot will immediately see that this is not a ukrainian, but for example a russian hall, or there are some others there, so... here it must be understood that in any case the attempt of the russians to protect their drones showed the effectiveness of our anti-aircraft drones, of course, that here we return to the main problem. matrix, it is the creation of systems that would allow us to distinguish electronically, in electronic mode, whether it is one's own drone or someone else's drone, and it will be very necessary to do this,

because we already have the ability to create a means defeat, which will work automatically without a pilot, this is about what mr. matyat said, regarding the fact that next year we will see the majority of the use of automatic drones, that is, without the participation of a pilot, and therefore ... again, returning to the main topic , this is the development of the ukrainian military industry, we can see over the past 2.5 years how the unmanned system has actively developed in ukraine, now the system for working with explosive parts has been complicated, and we can already see the creation of certain opportunities for the development of defeat elements for self-produced drones ukrainian, that is, we are not screwing on some projectile, but there are already specialized means of defeat for the air forces and for ground forces. and so on, that's why i keep saying here that this war will be won by the military, volunteers, and engineers, and you have to choose the way you will go through this

war together with ukraine. mr. anatoly, we have literally a minute left, but it is very important to understand that in the packages of the last aid and support of the armed forces of ukraine, it sounds air-to-ground class missiles for the f-16, what we will have and where can we reach? them, if possible, again, there is a missile, there is an aerial bomb, and an aerial bomb that operates at a distance of 110 to 130 km, but here it must be understood that this distance is not enough to solve strategic issues, and if we talk about aerial bombs, then ukraine must to actively develop our own air bombs, we already have certain results and i think that very soon we will see the use of ukrainian winged air bombs on the territory of the russian federation, on the territory of those times. occupied by the enemy, and in principle it would be appropriate to note here that the number the stockpile of free-falling bombs that are needed that can be recycled is large enough, so i

think the emphasis should be on surface-to-air cruise missiles, these are missiles that will operate at a distance of 400 to 100 km, these are jasons missiles that can operate on integrity, they will already appear in these latest american packages. i think that, i think that we will not find out about this, because this is very important information that will allow ukraine to solve a strategic issue, well, we will monitor posts and outposts from the territory of the enemy in order to understand, we'll see, yes, we'll see another party, then we'll understand, we still have literally 30 seconds, how much they can expand the circle of their suppliers, because north korea, iran, and now in china this secret factory is made of shaheda. where else can they go to increase the amount of what they shoot at ukraine? the problem is that russia receives western components, even american, german, and

british, at the expense of bypassing sanctions, at the expense of third countries, former soviet union countries, the same kazakhstan actively helps russia to circumvent sanctions, to obtain certain elements, so there are questions about secondary sanctions, which would be more painful for countries that help russia. thank you, mr. anatoly, anatoly khrepchynskyi was with us, the deputy general director of the company for the production of radio electronic warfare equipment, and an aviation expert, as always a professional analysis, and what we see is that budanov is returning from the kharkiv region, he was at the positions of the hurivtsi, and we also saw good the results that our fighters demonstrated precisely on kharkiv oblast does not just manage to hold its position in some places. they are taking down the enemy, we saw pictures of prisoners from the aggregate plant, and this is a good sign, a short pause on our airwaves, do not miss the news, and roman and i will return at 2:10 p.m.,

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the medical facility was the first strike by drones.