will put up with the fact that he is put on the same board with his opponent, yes, he immediately from the press, we now learn that he wanted to meet with president zelensky on his territory in his maralago ranch in florida, yes, it would be a private such in a private atmosphere, he was just like with orban before, zelensky would have been just such a private guest at donald trump's estate, and our side quite rightly regarded this as undesirable. it would really be if only to signal to the society that well zelensky is a friend of trump, they, they are friends, and everything will be fine, and this is like a form, so to speak, well, almost, of campaigning for trump. ah, the ukrainian side asked for a meeting on neutral territory, and it's obvious, well, donald trump's election headquarters didn't like it, he personally, and that's why the pressure on the visit to pennsylvania, that's what started it all.

they started building a scandal already on this, if you did not agree to our terms, then you are an enemy, then you work for our competitor, donald trump said so, which is obvious zelensky is interested in the victory of kamala harris, that is why he behaves as if he were, although there was absolutely nothing in the visit to this plant, nothing so seditious or pre-election, the fact that congressmen, republicans were not invited there, maybe in... there was some malfunction. well, they are now all focused on their constituencies, on their election campaign and on someone else's territory to waste time, there will be no time, there is, but the fact that, well, the nuances are not taken into account here, that this is after all a native city, well, a city where was born the current president biden, this plant is located there, and therefore trump and his... his

team still perceive biden as their main opponent, it was not appreciated, not to me, but to him for his homeland, so jealousy is certain, well a lot of psychological nuances, which actually do not speak badly about zelenskyi, but rather about the ukrainian delegation, they speak badly about donald trump, his psychology, assessment of approaches, this is a certain hysterics, narcissism, well, other sloppiness and everything else characteristics. we we know him from his previous presidency and now he behaves in the same way, but it is interesting, please remember what you want, we have advertising, we are now advertising for a few minutes, we will leave, we will not leave, we will wait for you in a few minutes to continue broadcasting. dolgit cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility, with dolgit cream you can. ishki dolgit

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mykola veresin had done so, he would have gone to prison. a special look at the events in ukraine, so it is not necessary to say that the fish is rotting from the head no, not off the top of my head. but beyond it. and then who is china? me, my heart hurts. all this in an informational marathon with mykola veresny. saturday 17:10, sunday 18:15 at espresso. well, let's continue, my name, as always, is yuriy fizar. with me in the studio is volodymyr horbach, the executive director of the institute for the transformation of northern eurasia, and we continue to talk about... the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to the united states of america, what happened during this visit, who he met with, what about spoke, and so on, and by the way, while you were watching the commercial, there was information, literally tons of information about what

was already happening, because this meeting is probably happening behind the scenes somewhere now, behind closed doors, what was happening under time to meet with joe biden's approach. volodymyr zelenskyi to journalists, so volodymyr zelenskyi stated at the meeting with trump that they have a common point of view, trump did not miss his favorite topic and once again reminded about it, reminded everyone, because we we have already heard many times how good his relations are with putin, and volodymyr zelenskyi answered this, i hope that our relations with you are still better than with putin, well, i would like them to be... better than with putin, but you never know what kind of relationship you have with donald trump, because he is a man who can become president, but as we know, even in the position of president, this man could say one thing today, another thing tomorrow, the day after tomorrow go back to the first one, well , that's why, but i still want these the relationship between volodymyr zelenskyi and donald

trump was still better than that of trump and putin, and for them to agree on something, to resolve all the problematic situations that have arisen between them in... the impression is that relations between trump and zelenskyi have never been worse than yesterday and the day before yesterday, and this was the bottom, so to speak, the peak of the decline of these relations, because donald trump, in principle, at his rallies, communicating with his voters and with the press, well, a scathing criticism, as it were used both to president zelenskyi and to ukraine in general as such, that is, in principle, started. on what account could this work as anti-ukrainian propaganda, well, this is a style, this is a showman, we must understand that we are dealing with two showmen, well, people from show business who came to politics from show business, people who are quite narcissistic and possibly places historic, especially donald

trump, and here is their meeting today, it could bring an explosive mixture lead to a huge even bigger scandal, because that how did it happen... the communication between our delegation and trump's headquarters and the republican party is a scandal, and it is very interesting and unexpected that this scandal is now being tried to be covered up, and both sides, formally the ukrainian side, turned to donald trump's headquarters for to set up this meeting that's going on now, but given everything that's been said before... by the republicans, the rest of the congress there, and trump himself, the fact that they agreed, that means it was, it was in line with their wishes, donald trump obviously feels that he is losing the election campaign, and when they began to scandalize zelenskyi, apparently emotionally very strongly, hysterically, i, i would

even say so, then they gave a signal to their own voters, well, to other observers of the american elections, that they are in bad shape situations, tantrums. this is a manifestation of weakness, and this happens when a candidate or a team feels that they have already lost, that they are going to lose something, and today's sociology also says that, well, about 7, 5-7% behind trump's rating from harris and something needs to be done with it the scandal with 7% is a lot to do and the scandal with zelenskyi does not add anything, it does not add new voters to donald trump, and there are already not enough old ones, so it is necessary to fight for ukrainians or voters of ukrainian origin in the states, and that is why it is necessary that trump decided after all and putting up with zelensky, that's all that politicians say during the election campaign. you should not believe that they say this honestly, behind this is the direct interest of their strategy

to win the votes of voters, they will say anything to please and win elections, and trump here, if not an exception, on the contrary, he is the gold standard of such political pragmatism, cynicism or pragmatism of pragmatic cynicism, or even unprincipledness, even i would say so, that is, he can say yesterday... that zelensky is sticking some small pins into him to the love of your beloved president, i.e. me, this is a quote, yes, trump’s communication with his voters, and today he can already speak, meet, invite, receive on his territory, well, then the question, look, we understand that trump is pursuing to return to this, as you say, to return to you ukrainian, voters of ukrainian origin, in particular. and not only, not only, but also those people who, well, are not of ukrainian origin, but support ukraine,

for example, will this meeting help the ukrainian side, somehow, somehow correct the situation in which they found themselves, well, if today goes without a scandal, yes, well, at least it will soften, it will soften this feeling of a certain scandal and this feeling of catastrophism, but what will happen to our relations if trump wins, so you you see what a bad relationship between the presidents, if they were to quarrel with each other and accordingly the aid would stop and we would be forced to capitulate, this is what the expectations of the injection could have been, now after this meeting, well, you can soften these eyes, it is not soften these waiting, not everything can be so bad, you can return to the previous one for a week at least before. this is not trump, and neither his devens, nor trump, nor these trumpists are friends or

supporters of ukraine and have never been and they will never be, and it is impossible, well, so to speak, to mobilize them to our side, but it is not necessary to position ourselves as their enemies there and to pretend to be under their dissatisfaction, it is necessary, again, if you have already gone to the minefield, then walk very, very carefully and do not step into the same mine twice... in this case, well, it seems to me that the ukrainian side, the ukrainian authorities, have now made the same mistake for the second time as in the 19th year, when there was a phone call from trump and zelensky, and the procedure began with that impeachment of president trump, this does not mean that there is no need to communicate at all, but it is necessary to bypass critical points, election campaigns and some political crises, and to understand who we, well, ukraine, are talking to in this situation. with what psychological features does this politician or presidential candidate have, well, they are

inseparable, they are natural for him, and this must be taken into account, it seems to me that you say that you do not step on the same mine twice, there are probably even two mines here, so that should be taken into account that president trump can become the president, he may not become the president, but the trumpists will still remain in the congress, and therefore in any case even those two mines are here, so let's move on to another one, but still ... this is the speaker of the house of representatives, this is the lower house of the american congress, mike johnson wrote a letter and did not even offer a proposal, he expressed a demand, it was a demand to fire the ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america oksana markarva, it was still some kind of malfunction of the embassy, ​​maybe the embassy together with the office of the president, so that they were preparing this visit, well, let's go back to pennsylvania again. i did not

prepare this visit, i am not devoted to the details, but from an outside observer, as far as i understand, the initiative to visit this plant came from the ukrainian side, because this plant is really important for us, for our defense capability, it not only produces shells, but also missiles, or missile elements for patriots, yes it is anti-aircraft, it is very important. the governor of the state is shapiro, a democrat, he is the host, he is the organizer, in fact, he should be present during, during this. meetings, because this is his territory, he is not a republican, he can invite, he can not invite some representatives of the republican party. in principle, the ukrainian side most likely did not think about this, yes, about such a context. since in the summer, in july, when president zelenskyi was in the states, he was a previous visit, he was in the state, it seems,

utah, where the republican governor, accordingly, signed some kind of agreement on... partnership between this state and the ukrainian some region, oblast and ukraine, it was the same here, therefore, it seems to be a symmetrical situation, there were also no democrats and nothing, joseph biden, then still a presidential candidate, did not throw any tantrums, so, well, it’s normal, but you see with donald trump and the republicans, it just doesn't work out, if they want to find a catch, they will find any, and here, well, maybe the embassy or. should someone in the embassy calculate this and suggest and work on this issue, it was not mandatory, i say again, my fault ukraine is not here, but in the assessment of risks, well, they probably underestimated the risks, especially since president zelensky, when he immediately arrived in the states, he gave an interview to the american press, i think it was

the new yorker, a magazine, but this video we saw where, in principle, zelensky himself started. to respond and not only about jay divens, it is absolutely correct, we, we agree with his assessments, but perhaps they should not have been expressed at this moment, it could have been said either earlier, and before the visit and see the reaction, or later, because no no no always the effect of these statements was the immediate suspicion that this man had come to campaign for our people, for our opponents, for our competitors. yes, well it really looked like that, oh such a cross country american consumer, it could look like that, it could, i agree with that, but again then, in this case, the key issue was to appeal to the presidential candidates, in addition to having case by the acting president, perhaps it should have been limited to the promotion of these national interests of ours and this plan of victory, as it

named by our side, well, by the name... with the official authorities, then it would not have happened, there would not have been these, there would not have been the context of the election campaign, and maybe we would have managed to avoid a scandal, but unfortunately we did not succeed, unfortunately, yes, one more, one more speech, one visit of volodymyr zelenskyi during his visit to the united states of america at the united nations general assembly, this was already the third speech of volodymyr zelenskyi during the full-scale invasion, mr. volodymyr, how many more such speeches must there be , well they are about nothing... these speeches, i understand the first speech in the 22nd year, it is necessary to consolidate the world, to hear the president of ukraine, who consolidates the world in support of ukraine, the 22nd year, the 23rd year, well, there is a little more to work, the 24th year, to appeal to this high tribune, again about the same thing that you said in the 22nd, in the 23rd, and no result? well, here i agree that by and large

the result that we would like to expect... will not happen, it did not happen in the past years, although diplomats say that there is still a number of countries, resolutions, there will be voting for a resolution, perhaps in the near future, and there we will count these votes, compare them with previous resolutions, so to speak, well, also a certain distribution of forces in the world, and therefore we must go, we must speak, we must meet, in a certain year, in on the 23rd and 24th, the problem here is not in ukraine. but this does not mean that this site should be bypassed or it, if, well, there was another, another, another speech at this general assembly, the president of argentina miley, when he went and spoke, and in his speech characterized

he criticized the un as an absolutely meaningless, powerless organization. so i went to them and criticized them there, well, the gesture is beautiful, the gesture is effective, but i don’t think that it will benefit argentina, here is such a general criticism of everything and everything, without any specific or without proposals, or constructive, or without, or with with such proposals that are not evaluated as realistic, that is, after all, even miley with a critical attitude, still uses the platform to criticize the very ... system of the organization of the united nations, therefore, we live in such a world, unfortunately, and at such a moment, the un, of course, needs to be reformed, as does the entire system of international relations, but in... in what way will it be reformed, whether in a legal way, or where there will be guarantees and the rights of such nations as ours and small states are ensured, or in

a power system, where the rights of only the strong will be ensured, all others, so to speak, will voluntarily adapt to the interests of the so-called great powers, and if the un system is reformed , then probably only after another very global one. class, which is commonly called world warriors, but after each world war the world order changes and is consolidated by some new system, new bodies are created, some may be later, there was a league of nations, we know after the first world war, after the second world organization of the united nations, well, after the third, maybe they will find another name, well, let's see, of course, i would not like this shake-up to happen, but with a person, albeit with a non-human named putin. nothing is known. well, thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, for today's conversation, it was very interesting, we talked about the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, we discussed this visit to the united

states of america from different angles, what he said, who he met with, and what was the benefit from this visit, and what problems should be paid attention to, were discussed in great detail, very reasonedly, mr. volodymyr, as always , answered my questions, thank you very much, volodymyr. today we are not only from culture, but also from information hygiene, because firstly, the issue is relevant and important every week, and

secondly, we have an absolutely wild case of izalina grosu, when everyone at the beginning of the week, i think, like everyone, almost all media people, our colleagues in social networks about the fact that, according to the ministry of foreign affairs, it has already reached the point of appointing alina to the position of official ambassador of ukrainian culture in new york. grossu, i think you heard this news, well, i'll tell you right away why it caused such, such a raging reaction, because alina grossu, well, let's put it this way, not the the singer, who is seen by many people as a suitable person for this position, and then there was outrage, and what is the most unfortunate for us, for me, that many media people wrote about it, did not translate it. information without sending a request to the ministry of foreign affairs, and that is why it spread to everyone everywhere that what is it that our state has already come to the point

of appointing anyone to such important positions to represent ukrainian culture in such an important city, in such a possible, in such a important country, but of course everything turned out quickly enough, and if you look at the reaction of the ministry of foreign affairs, well, it is obvious that there was. a little irritated, although we know that diplomats know how to hide their irritation in particular, but let's hear, see, remind ourselves what the reaction of the ministry of foreign affairs was already in the evening, when it was raging throughout the day. we do not know where the information came from that the singer alina grossu received a diplomatic post in new york, in view of the resonance of this statement in zmi, we must officially clarify that alina grossu does not hold any full-time or part-time positions in the system diplomatic bodies services of ukraine regarding the performance of diplomatic

or consular functions. somehow so. well, a lot of people who started to make excuses or explain why, why they took this information as reliable, they started saying: "listen, we 're used to it." some completely wild appointments that have been with us for a long enough time that we have simply become accustomed to it, and we will no longer settle for absolutely anything, on the one hand, this is true, there is a kind of such an explanation, but on the other hand, we must always understand that before why us someone didn't teach us, we always have to check the information, especially when it concerns us media people and, therefore, it's our shame, of course, and i'll just say that... that the case is also wild because, well, when you dive into it and understand , who exactly appointed alina grosa in new york as the ambassador of ukrainian culture,

then... it becomes a little motley, because she was really appointed, well, in a peculiar way, but it is important to understand who exactly did it, it was done by a certain doctor sima karetnaya, now we can look at her, which is fine i took photos from her instagram, which she regularly posts there herself, the fact is, here she is now in a green jacket, the fact is that if you look at sima kakaretnaya's social networks, this is the same woman in red, who is in the video , which was published by alina grosu, stood with her on the stage, and nominated her or offered to give her this position of ambassador of ukrainian culture, you see ms. sima standing with another ambassador of culture from another country, if you look at her social networks, you will get the impression that this mrs.

just walks a lot. many different events, taking pictures with different people, taking pictures, for example, against the background of something, for example, we saw how she took a picture against the background, behind the tribune, you know, quite often i observe such people who, for example, like to take pictures with various celebrities, with well not very famous people, just more or less public, often they ask to take a joint photo with those they are in general. they don't know, it just seems to them that this is some more or less famous person, let me take a picture with her, and then let's see how it can be used, and then we see some posts in the social networks of these people with the publication of this photo for absolute friendship with there, for example, they took a photo with svyatoslav vakarchuk, and a person can write: look, here i am, here is my friend

svyatoslav vokarchuk , he and i... went somewhere there, he told me something, and then these people in this way can create some kind of public reputation for themselves and continue to use it and enter some events there, for example, and present themselves as some kind of official in person and so on and so on, but here of course i saw such people, they are tolerated a little less here than, for example, in the united states, ms. sima was invited there, even in... she went on stage, and the fact that she announced alina grossa, the ambassador of ukrainian culture in the united states, that doesn't mean anything at all, it's just some kind of half-freak act, yes, which is most likely at this party, and it was, it was such a reception by the mayor of new york in the house, that it didn't mean anything, but we have it all, let's give it to you it was clearer what kind of

carriage family this is. let's listen to an excerpt from her letter, which she wrote to us, my colleagues and i sent her several questions asking her to explain, and what it was all about on this stage, she also confirmed that it , she did not give alina gros any official diplomatic status, but she simply thinks that gros's music is so brilliant, so wonderful, that she is such a powerful singer, that it was just a crime, not to appoint, not to offer her... let her be here such an ambassador of ukrainian culture, because who, who but her? let's listen to how ms. sima introduces herself, and i'll say in advance that she lists a lot of regalia there, and we checked, and it's not true, at least in the un, she doesn't represent anything at all, and all the other positions, these are quite strange positions , which are which,

for example, we and our film crew can just create, call it there, for example, the organization of lovers of the espresso channel and give out some titles and introduce ourselves, somewhere it’s about the same, but let’s listen to how he talks about himself ms. dr. sima karetnaya herself, i am ambassador dr. sima karetnaya, us chair for diplomacy and negotiations at the g100, and... ambassador for human rights and sustainable development at the un economic and social council, i am also a certified global health expert healthcare organizations and a certified manager of biomedical research at harvard university. you know, the fact that we've all fallen into this, forgive me, it's, it's just horrible, it's all very shameful, we need to draw some

conclusions from all of this because... you know, we have for a long time.