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andriy, well, it must be said, such a busy week that i think it would take two hours, but four, to tell everything that happened this week, not every week, however, is so full of events, in fact, i absolutely agree with you, as they say, we have what we have, but today we traditionally have two hours, so we have to put in, we have to today we will talk about all the topics announced, all the topics that are important to us, for us. country, so let's start with the traditionally secure bloc, it is our number one in every saturday political club, here we talk about the situation at the front, we talk about the threats to our country that come from the aggressor state, and we talk about how ukraine will defend itself and is defending itself now, but we will probably start with threats. more precisely his so-called

new nuclear doctrine, after essentially the whole world began to actively talk about the possibility of giving ukraine ukraine the opportunity to carry out strikes on the territory of russia deep into the territory of russia with long-range or medium-range missiles, putin abruptly assembled the so-called sovbes and, accordingly, was accepted or developed there. now the so-called nuclear doctrine, and what does it mean? russia is actually expanding the list of these grounds, with the help of which, or through which, they can allegedly use nuclear weapons, by the way, not only on states that also possess nuclear weapons, but also on states that carry an immediate danger to russia and...

are cooperating with or receiving assistance from the nuclear states, i.e. the so-called next such red line, mr. vitaly, perhaps we will start with this, and why did putin talk about it, why are these recent days changing this doctrine, and can these threats really be considered real, and not another bluff of the russian dictator? well, i will say right away that i believe... that this story with putin's speeches cannot be considered in isolation from what was happening in the united states, this is, in principle, the main event of this week, this is ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi's stay in the united states, this is his talks with president joseph biden, this is meetings with kamela harris and donald trump, these are meetings in congress, and these are the initiatives that are being talked about in the united states. i mean not only

the allocation of aid to ukraine, but first of all the situation related to the fact that joseph biden decided at the end of his presidential term to hold such a very important summit, at which the prime minister of great britain, keir starmer, will be the federal chancellor olaf scholz, there will be the president of france, emmanuel macron, all this will be in germany, and in parallel there will be a rampstein summit in... the parameters of the 50 countries of rampstein, which will be represented by their leaders, and of course, in this situation , we understand that it will such a long-term plan, how the western countries will help ukraine in the future, how they will react if donald trump becomes the president of the united states and does not want to help ukraine. that is, these are quite serious meetings and quite serious decisions of a strategic nature, even. what

you and i will not learn about some decisions, it does not mean that western leaders will not learn about them, and by the way, it does not mean that putin will not learn about them, and of course, there is always a threat, i think that this threat. .. for russia, it is obvious, and it is reported in the statements that putin receives from his intelligence services, in the analysis of the situation of some information from agents, which says that ukraine can really get in one way or another, openly or secretly, permission to hit the territory of russia with western missiles, and this is also an important issue for him, because of course, like any... any person who cares about the security of his own territory, about the security of his own army, who cares about the need to continue the long war, putin needs to stop it, and how can he really stop it if all force methods he has already actually applied, only through new

nuclear threats, and these nuclear threats now concern not so much ukraine, it must be understood, how many partner countries in ukraine, because in principle one can think that with... the concept of what needs to be done, if russia will launch a nuclear attack on ukraine, the western partners have already decided, we have said many times that it is impossible, but i think that the question is not whether it is possible or impossible, the question is that in state practice there is not a question that do what is possible and what is not possible, the question arises, what to do if, well, that is how any state apparatus works, of course, any serious state, it already in... seriously considered the consequences of a nuclear attack on ukraine, that is, what to do if there is a nuclear strike will be inflicted on some group of ukrainian troops, how to react, and what to do, if a nuclear attack is carried out on a large ukrainian city and leads to the death of hundreds of thousands of people from such a nuclear attack and its

consequences, i think that there are already protocols, reactions, there is a clear understanding , how to act both in the political and in the security sense of the word, and of course, it depends on where this nuclear strike will be on... carried out close to the borders of the european union, there, let's say, in the west of ukraine or far from the borders of the european union, let's say , in the center, east, south of ukraine, which place will be the subject of such a strike, i am not saying that it will be struck, i am saying that there are, in principle, clear protocols of actions in case it is struck, and this is , in principle, that the director of the central intelligence agency of the united states bilbhurst told the head of the foreign intelligence service. of the russian federation to sergey naryshkin when they met in 2022, it seems, and bers recently said that at that time they believed that there was a danger of a nuclear attack on ukraine, and in this situation they decided to communicate how they were going to proceed, and i think that this conversation between dorros

and naryshkin, she convinced putin that the united states would not be too scared if, say, he launched a nuclear attack on ukraine, which it does not cause them ... a feeling of apocalypse to their own interests, and then it can be considered that they have free hands, that they can, in principle, continue to help ukraine, because they are not afraid of the consequences of some too serious russian reaction to their help. then it is necessary to change the situation, then it is necessary to show the west that the problems will not be with ukraine, but with those countries that help it. this is the meaning of changing this nuclear concept, which if not nuclear. the state is ukraine, let's say, strikes with conventional weapons, but the production of a nuclear state on the territory of the russian federation, then this nuclear state is considered an accomplice of such a strike, and even if this nuclear state uses

conventional weapons, well, not nuclear weapons, for strikes on the territory of the russian federation the state uses, and ukraine uses, but the weapons of a nuclear state. russia can answer and by nuclear means, if it will threaten its national security or the very existence of the russian state. that is, what is meant? to put it simply: ukraine strikes with british missiles, conventional, and russia responds with a nuclear strike on britain, or on american military bases, if it is an american missile. this is the idea, and he suggests them to think: well, you absolutely do not feel sorry for the ukrainians, if you are ready to sacrifice there. ukrainians, if i launch a nuclear strike as part of our global confrontation, and you don't think so some serious risk for yourself, we already understood that, and you are ready to sacrifice yourself, you are ready to make decisions that will lead to a nuclear attack on london or new york, well, just curious, this is the essence of this new

blackmail, it raises the stakes to of a possible nuclear conflict between nuclear countries and says that even if you give a non-nuclear country conventional weapons that strike. on the territory of a nuclear state, this nuclear state will answer you there, which you will almost show, not to the ukrainians, everything is clear with the ukrainians, to you, that is, it will decide that you are important to life. and the safety of its own citizens, or the willingness to continue to fight the russian federation and deny it a natural sphere of influence? that's all this blackmail, i.e. it's not even blew, or it's blasphemy, it's a transfer, mr. andrii, of this diplomatic dialogue from a completely different level of confrontation. and that's all for you. and do you think it will work or not? i can't say that to stymen, because again, it depends on the intelligence. information, not from putin's declaration at the un security council,

russian federation, i'm sorry. because by and large, as you understand, the americans again rely on the real information that they have, which comes first from the analysis of open sources, secondly from the analysis of closed sources, thirdly from messages from agents working for the cia and other western intelligence agencies in the top russian leadership, we understand that such people exist, and they regularly transmit information and disinformation. of course, about the real intentions of the russian leadership, because in politics, well, serious politics, i have in mind, all these meetings and all these speeches do not matter, only what is decided behind closed doors matters, when it comes to the possibility of a nuclear war, it is precisely what happens behind closed doors that matters, i always say, that any words of putin should always be taken seriously, because you know, when every statement of putin declares: bluff, i am very surprised by this, i want to remind you that when putin threatened

to attack ukraine in 2021, the truth is that everyone also said , that he is bluffing, and that this is all on purpose is being done in order to induce the west and ukraine to make concessions, that this is a bluff, most ukrainian politicians and experts, if you recall, said back in january 2022, when i advised. to relate to the statements of the former president of the russian federation dmitry medvedev, who in fact published this plan of the future attack on ukraine in his social networks, everyone said that medvedev is a clone who consumes a lot of vodka, well, in his case, vodka, and in general it should not be taken seriously to what says, although it is clear that no post of dmitry medvedev is not written by dmitry medvedev himself, it is part of information and propaganda operations in the administration of the president of the russian federation. office of the press service of the president of the russian federation, which simply reports certain

narratives on behalf of medvedev, so that, in principle , any statements by putin are taken as a bluff, and they dig their own graves before any statements by putin and regarding a possible attack on this or that country, and regarding the use of nuclear weapons, and regarding the readiness to fight for a long time, must be taken absolutely seriously, as a real threat and such threats to prepare, but you and i are not easy now. we say because it is not entirely our business now, it is already a question for our allies, how seriously they assess the level of such a threat today, you understand that in order to, in principle , carry out such a step as the use of nuclear weapons, it is necessary to conduct real nuclear exercises, not these virtual exercises that russia is currently conducting, by the way, this is also an important propaganda step, as you understand in its activities, but real exercises are on a training ground on a new land, which they are afraid all the time. and they say that they are ready to conduct them, and that they will conduct them at any moment, and they do not conduct them

just because the united states does not conduct them, in fact, in fact, if there are no such exercises, then they cannot judge for themselves the effectiveness of our own nuclear weapons, that is, all this will not happen all at once, but gradually, but the fact that we are certainly sliding towards a possible new escalation with the use of a nuclear component, i... i have always said, i believe that the indecision of the west in confrontation russia, it will eventually lead to this result, why, because there is an idea in the west that they are simmering this frog, so to speak, and not giving putin the opportunity to go into a hysterics that would allow him to use nuclear weapons, in fact putin has a feeling of impunity, he has a feeling that the west is afraid of him. and even when he bluffs, he means that he can actually carry out his threats. why

there was no nuclear danger until this day, i can tell you, because russia is too big account and still does not feel that these goals of the special operation, which were set by the so-called, that is, the destruction of ukrainian statehood, the transformation of ukraine either into russian territory or the sphere of influence of russia, that they cannot be realized, it is simply believed that it will take more time, and many... observers who speak with representatives of the russian political elite see that in moscow they are absolutely sure that they are winning, that it is a matter of time, well, not three years, but five more years, well, in principle it doesn't matter because... for russia is in such a state of war confrontation, it is natural. well, we will fight until 2030, well, until 2032. but why go to such a global escalation and use nuclear weapons, when ukraine is still destroyed, semi-destroyed, destroyed, semi-destroyed with 30 million, with 5 million, it does not matter that this territory will sooner or later become part of russia. but if the very nature of the game changes, if

russia begins to realize that it will not get anything. if it sees its own infrastructure destroyed by western missiles, it certainly changes the situation itself, and here we do not know how putin behaves in this situation, whether he understands that it is necessary to at least suspend or stop this war, he may also be a supporter of this version of the future development, or he may consider that this last evidence in the form of the use of nuclear weapons will at least help to intimidate ukraine itself, so that... not so much even its leadership, but so that its society realizes that resistance to russian ambitions will lead to absolutely nothing, and it is better now, after such a first use of nuclear weapons, to agree on some conditions of surrender are more or less comfortable than living in a situation of waiting for new russian nuclear strikes on ukraine, this may be such a part of the bluff, you understand, but

again, how far this bluff can be carried out from a military and technical point of view, it must be asked not mine, but... tvcru. it will happen, we will definitely follow this, because really, i completely agree with mr. vitaly, who says that we should respond to the words, actions, and threats of the highest officials of the state, the occupier, and not reduce it all to some kind of mockery of by this, only, as they say, in a healthy state. real analysis and healthy real reactions to certain statements, we can see the truth. and we have a short break, a few minutes, and we will return to the live broadcast of the saturday political club, do not switch from the espresso tv channel. damn, stepladders, the great danes don't walk anymore.

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states of america, with the president of the united states, joe biden, with the vice president and democratic candidate kamala harris, and in the end , he still managed to meet with another candidate for the position of the president of the united states, donald. trump even after a certain scandal. in general, the president presented a victory plan during this meeting. by the way , also with congressmen and senators. there were meetings with the defense industry of the united states of america. well, in short , lots and lots of things. mr. vitaly, if we summarize like this first, how would you describe it? this visit, or relatively speaking, the victory plan, as they say, was presented positively, did this

trick work with him, and whether it was successful, you often talk about the victory plan, mr. andriy, and you noticed that in the last days of the visit, about the plan almost nothing was mentioned about the victories, and no one spoke anymore, that is exactly why i am asking you, how would you characterize all this in the context of this, that happened, well, this is what you and i talked about, a week, when i asked you, and what is the point in principle of providing some plan 40 days before the presidential election in the united states, because if you really want some strategic plan of interaction, then you need to pitch this plan to the new president of the united states. the president said again that there needs to be some decisive changes there, decisive to break the war, to ensure more. before the presidential election in the united states, i don't understand how, frankly, with a month left, there are no miracles in war, moreover, in such a war, in which the russians are now advancing, not the ukrainian troops,

i understand that if we were to advance there and we did not have enough strength, the kazakhs would need a few more echelons of weapons so that we could break through the russian defense there, but now it is completely different the situation, now the situation is that we are losing positions, we need help so that we do not lose them, so that we stop the russians. in the attack on our territory, and it's been a long time, it's been happening for almost a year, this is the first moment, the second moment, i told you then and now that i considered it absolutely correct that if the president of ukraine arrives in the united states for the session of the un general assembly, then he should meet with the current president and with the candidates for the post of president of the united states, because the ukrainian president does not really have a big political choice, none. "if he doesn't go to the un general assembly session before the presidential election in the states, he's showing disrespect to the current administration, right? i didn't come to avoid

meeting you because i don't know if you win, and what you have done for me, for my country for four years in a row, it does not matter much, i will talk to the winner, it is so impossible, especially since we understand that in the composition of the current administration, there is a person which absolutely has a chance to win the presidential elections." on november 5, it means that you are coming to the session of the un general assembly in any case, if you are coming, then of course you should maintain a balance and meet not only with the current president, but also with the candidates for the office of president of the united states, and always ukrainian presidents tried to do this, and it was not always successful, you remember that in 2016 there was also such a problem, because donald trump practically did everything that depended on him not to meet with petro poroshenko, and now... by and large , donald trump did everything in his power to avoid meeting volodymyr zelenskyi. the fact that this meeting took place suggests that even in trump's circle there are now influential circles that believe that such a meeting

should take place. and influence trump in confrontation with trump himself and those of his, i would say, associates, assistants who believe that he does not need to talk to zelenskyi. but this is how zelensky got into, i wouldn't even say, an unexpected scandal with this meeting with trump. it would be very good if there were no scandals. and in the scandal, which is programmed by the very logic of the presidential election campaign. why? because there are certain points, certain topics, on which... one candidate can rebuild from another, there are many of them, and they primarily relate to external domestic politics, however in the foreign policy segment, it is the middle east and ukraine, and by the way, when it comes to the middle east, there is also an exchange of statements that is absolutely incredible, that is, when donald trump says that if he is not elected president of the united states, there will be american jews are to blame,

the same... no american politician has ever allowed himself during the election campaign, but donald trump understands that he can show how much his ideas about the security and the future of israel will be differ from the position of kamela garis, it is absolutely the same with ukraine, but when kamela garis met with volodymyr zelensky, she spoke not so much with volodymyr zelensky as with donald trump. she explained why her position on ukraine is different. contrary to the position of donald trump, and this is largely emphasized in those states where there are vacillating voters, participants of her election campaign, in particular, this story with pennsylvania is famous, when kamela garis, during a debate in pennsylvania, addressed the poles in pennsylvania, they said: look, this person wants ukraine to fall, and this will be problems for your homeland, for poland, for americans of polish origin in pennsylvania, and then

the pennsylvania posters appeared. with an appeal to the polish diaspora of pennsylvania, and now zelenskyy is going to the weapons factory in pennsylvania, however, where governor shapira is, where these poles are, as if from the point of view of the republicans, reinforcing this entire garis company with their own presence, is no longer just haris appeal is not easy anymore to cry, and now zelensky himself, well, it's obvious that this annoys the republicans, and they ... just freak out, and in this situation, i think that the letter that the speaker of the house of representatives of the american congress mike johnson sent to volodymyr zelensky as an ultimatum about the need refuse the services of the ambassador of ukraine to the united states, mrs. oksana markarova, but this is precisely the sign of this, i would say, such a harsh reaction, and here is the clarification of whether it was possible to avoid such

a scandal in some... way from the point of view of our authorities to build either a visit or a behavioral model in order to smooth out the corners as much as possible and avoid this scandal as much as possible, or after all , the scandal that arose because of the visit to the zelensky plant in pennsylvania was already laid and it was not could be avoided altogether. well, look, zelenskyy is not visiting a military plant for the first time, he was still cozy at such a plant, the governor there is a republican, it was earlier, a few months before the elections, and it did not cause anyone any reactions. of course, from this, i would say, purely professional point of view, if you come to the states a few weeks before the election campaign, you don't need to meet anyone at all, you don't have to go anywhere,

you don't have to visit any factories. limit yourself to three meetings: biden, harris, trump and that's it. but i would like to remind you of one important thing, we are talking about this plant, right? and i saw an interview with senator linze graham, i think, who said that the plant is fine, it does not cause real emotions, it is only an excuse for our irritation, because it is clear that this is a state plant. zelensky went to this plant as the president of a country that needs weapons, with him the governor, he is also a civil servant, well, all this is, so to speak, part of the protocol, it remains to be seen how easy it is to refuse this protocol when it is offered by the white house as part of the stay zelensky in the usa, but we were really puzzled by zelensky's new york magazine interview, uh, in this interview , zelensky to...