to help these children, but the system is really closed, there are many children who are traumatized, who have already experienced a lot of very unchildish things in their lives, before that, well, it often happens that children have seen or been victims of violence in their own family, in the biological family, then they were there in hospitals, in other types of institutions, then they were admitted, they are admitted to another institution, and the children are very often cruel to each other... to each other, but we are talking about an educational and rehabilitation center, where the child has to undergo rehabilitation, there she should specialists, psychologists, rehabilitators should help, and we find out that violence is being committed there, and this violence is covered up, and they say that these are very difficult children, and therefore, well, you know, it’s so wrong, they try to justify it themselves themselves and put this responsibility on the child. this

cannot be so, i do not believe that there can be any checks that will hide this system from us. unfortunately, very, very many times we know about these cases, you yourself may have heard about various cases of violence in other boarding schools institutions, but i do not remember that these cases were brought to punishment, punishment, that this person, the head of this institution or the rapist who was there working in this institution, that he received any really ... sentence, in fact, it is very is often covered, and therefore it is very important to make it to the final. is there actually political will in the country, people who are ready to take over and simply break this system, that is, cut it down to the root, change it completely, so that it does not happen anymore, so that the children do not suffer anymore, to minimize in the end orphanages, and if there is an opportunity to either place children in families or in family-type orphanages, what actually wasn't this already? do we have such an opportunity now?

well, ukraine has adopted a strategy, yes, reforming the system of child rights protection, it concerns the fact that those children who can be brought up in families are brought up in families, and this is primarily the support of the biological family, yes, the help of the biological family, if the child cannot be brought up in the native family, then foster families should be created for this, and ukraine in this it has a very cool to... experience, effective experience, which at one time was studied, including by our european partners, and we have and can do it, and now there are a lot of people, families who want to adopt a child, yes , want to adopt a child, want to open a foster family and take the child into their foster family, but in any case there are children who are not ready to be placed in these families, and we must also understand this, and that we offer these children, there are children who...

really need to go through this rehabilitation, get the necessary help, but in any of the countries we studied there are institutions, but these institutions are small and there are specialists working there, yes, who are trying to help the child, so we should go this way, now it is not about closing everyone, it is impossible, yes, because there are children there, very often these are children who cannot be accommodated in family forms of upbringing, because they have parents. therefore , legal relations with parents have not yet ended, parents are not deprived of parental rights, therefore, on the one hand, there must be an individual decision here, on the other hand, you talk about political will asked, i think that this week it will be clear whether there is this political will or not, i really hope that it will be, mr. daria, we will, we will monitor this sensitive scandalous situation, the most important thing is the conclusions and results. daria kasiyanova, program director of the international charity. sos

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satisfied. trump declared that he has a good relationship with zelenskyi, he reacted well, saying: "i hope that it is better with me than with putin." and today, he said something after catching up. that he is not going to discuss with johnson the appointment or dismissal of ambassadors, that he can discuss such things, except with the ukrainian speaker, and not the american one, that is, it ended quite nicely, was this visit really so effective and good, and what will we get from it? i think that despite the alarmist statements made in the ukrainian media, it was still a successful visit, you had to play very... delicately to get through the cracks, as they say in our country, because the situation is really so explosive in america, you go and both sides of you, which are just crazy right now they are fighting each other, they are trying to use it for their own purposes, but let's take it step by

step, like a shakov chess game, the first question is whether it was necessary to go or whether it was possible not to go, there is a risk, but... you had to, because something is needed do with further help. now there is a unique moment when biden is no longer fighting for his re-election, he only has two. the task remained with biden: not to interfere with the victory of harris if possible, and to leave some decent legacy, that is, he now has his hands free, especially after elections, before the inauguration of the new president, there will be an opportunity to do something that he would not have done before, it should have been used, plus the conversation with haris is an hour, it is not 5 minutes in the corridor, it is an hour, it was necessary to talk, a conversation with. .. it’s an hour, it’s not 5 minutes in the corridor, that is, in all respects a successful visit, i managed to convey my point

of view and talk in detail with all the candidates for the presidency, with both of them and with the current president, and what is actually wrong, mr. oleksiy, the biggest intrigue was around the so- called victory plan, because it was basically ukraine was not presented in any way, not even the open part, that is, we during the week. we received little by little from different media, where american journalists already questioned our representatives. what do we have as of now, to understand, we have zelensky's statement on fox news, where he said that in fact, the plan was presented, we have support from almost everyone, we will work point by point, we have a statement from e. blinkin, the secretary , that the usa is carefully studying the ukrainian victory plan, and there is an announcement at

ramstein, to start it point by point, or implementation or discussion, it is difficult for us to say, but with this plan, how can you see what we have achieved and what we have not, you know, when they start to discuss, come on, here are two questions, let's face it, first, why didn't they present the plan to the country . it was not presented correctly in ukraine, because if this plan were announced publicly before the trip to biden, it would put biden in a dead end, either he supports this plan is already known to everyone, or he is such a traitor, he does not want to be convinced to support ukraine, that is, such a publication deprives him of the opportunity a maneuver, let's say, clarify this plan, change something in this plan, do something about it... there is no such possibility anymore, but it should be, because biden is a player and one must respect his freedom

of action as a player. so no one could have seen this plan before biden actually saw it, although it was prepared by teams, there were clearly preliminary conversations, and look, you mentioned ramstein very correctly. biden has already announced, well, this is a bombshell statement, that he will initiate the next reinstein at the level of heads of state. that is, these will not be technical solutions some current ones about the further support of ukraine, this will be a strategic session, what should we all do next, what should we, as the leader of the largest western countries, dare to do, what should we not, and to the fact that the negotiations in the immediate circle, the usa, germany, france, britain, that is, something is happening very seriously, and ukraine has made its move, and as for thinking about this plan now, to me all these comments about... the clan, which no one has seen except top politicians, remind me of an old soviet saying, i have not

read, but i will say, here the economist writes, in this the plan does not expect anything except requests for weapons, how do you know, if that was the case, blinka would not have said that we are studying this plan in detail, it is clear that there is something more serious, and that we do not need to know, ugh, ugh, and i also wanted you, one moment, against the background of this, all that was happening in the states, two important things happened, well, that is, the moment of raising the degree of nuclear, nuclear provocations, that is, we are changing the application algorithms that will allow to strike in ukraine, it's from putin, here's this one, plus a few on the un platform completely fake tantrums, starting... from dnibenzi with those terrible charge detachments of the benderovtsy, who do not allow the zsu to

voluntarily surrender en masse to the russians, and ending with these tantrums of lavov, regarding the conditions on which they are ready to consider anything further, i.e. refusal from two laws, the russian language will be returned and the russian church will be returned, that's all happened comprehensively against the background of this week, let's see if you can figure out what is behind... this and what will come of it? let's try: first statement, statement putin is trump's passport. the second statement at the un is rather us. if the american public, why pass trump? because putin and trump are now playing in tandem, putin, this is how i see it, putin is scaring the world with a nuclear bomb, and trump is telling americans: i am the only one who can avert this threat. ugh. you and i know that fear is such a powerful motivator of

human action that a person first cares about safety issues, and then about everything else. therefore, when, uh ... voters to vote for trump, not for harris. but on the other hand, look at how interesting the counterplay was, here is the second step from zelensky in this chess game, he came to the states, and not just came, but went to pennsylvania to the plant accompanied by a democrat, the governor, and... everything is critical about vance, very critical and about trump critically, that he, even if he thinks he knows how to stop the war, he really doesn't. trump took offense, attacked zelensky, spoke bad words about him at rallies, and then not long ago, when he suddenly changed to angry

kindness, he said: i am ready to meet him, i can tell you why, because... trump was thus technologically pushed to make such radical statements, which, on the other hand, did not please the voters, because one one thing i am saving from a nuclear threat, and another thing i am ready to leave ukraine to its own devices, or there i am ready to stop them so that they get rid of the territories and force them to calm down on this. it might not be liked by the voters in pennsylvania, for example, those poles and americans, and their ... up to 5% who support ukraine, but not all of them support haris, there are also those who support ukraine and think that trump will come and bring order, only trump can do something radical about it, and they have a cold head, it took trump a day to to understand that he did not increase his

electorate with such radical statements, on the contrary, he decreased it, and he was forced to play back and send uh... the opposite message, everything is not so bad, zelensky and i find a common language, that is, you see, he himself understood, that he put himself in a losing position, and a little of that tried to correct, so i will say it again, the hysteria about the fact that zelensky insulted trump in vain, they have no basis, the game was and this game ended successfully for us, and this whole story ended with zelensky giving an interview to fox news. actually, not for anyone, for fox news, and said that he is sure that trump will be on our side, that is, the actual continuation, he came with one, they talked about one thing at the beginning, and then it turns out that trump is already for us cool and theoretically, well, nothing there there is nothing wrong with him, he will support ukraine, this message does not contradict each other, in fact, when he

says at the beginning trump thinks he knows how to stop the war, he really does not know, and then he says... he will still be on our side, i am here i don't see a dispute, to ukrainians in ukraine, or a message to ukrainians in the united states of america, because there is also a question, this statement - well, you see, it is impossible to completely play on the field that trump is an enemy of ukraine, he must be pushed out of the ukrainian, from the pro-ukrainian discourse, this can be a winning strategy for haris, but zelenskyi... so playing this game to the end is a very dangerous thing, and suddenly something happens, some black swan and trump still wins, you can't burn all the bridges here, so it took a little weaken this position of harris and play a little bit for trump, but that's how he passed between the drops, listen, he didn't offend anyone and still got something like bipartisan support,

but actually i wanted to say that at least at this point, when in the middle of the visit on... they started shouting, well, that's it, they canceled the meeting, we lost bipartisan support, at least we taxied out with the fact that our flight is normal, two wings are still working, but mr. oleksiy, i want to go back to that tantrum, because it's important for me to hear yours as well opinion, lavov's nuclear hysteria from the ministry of foreign affairs, it also concerned nuclear weapons and a certain ultimatum for the continuation of the war. or attempts to appease or stop hostilities, but at least two conditions must be met, ukraine must return to the russian peace, return.

i feel that it is brewing from different sides the desire to put an end to this war, and the question is only from russia, it exists, and it exists in the west, and now intensive bargaining is beginning on what terms to put an end to. the same economist article that i mentioned is quite manipulative, in fact, it says that the ukrainians do not have the weapons and people to completely retake their territories, well, this is a half-truth, people, people are enough, we have it, it all depends on how the hell will russia resist, and we don't have weapons, because the west doesn't give them in such quantity, that is, it was rearranged here, it didn't disappear on its head, but the main idea of ​​the article. why: admit ukraine to nato, guarantee it the security of the territory it controls now, and cut off that territory, this will be a compromise,

that is, ukraine has a lot of weapons, more than now, ukraine is a member of nato, but forget about those territories, one scenario for the end of the war: ukraine does not agree publicly to these conditions yet. another scenario from russia, do it to us. those movements that show that russia maintains its influence in ukraine, and this will satisfy us, so that we sell to our electorate in russia that we are not in vain fought, you understand, if the war ends with russia being simply kicked out, it is putin’s defeat, well, and here they have to say, and where putin is, there is victory, it cannot be, that is, he must be overthrown, that’s why they are so two are these laws across the throat steel? lavrovsky is clear, so we literally have one minute, but you quote about certain clumsy things in the printed media or others, i literally want to return to the representative

of russia at the un, well, when nebendzia began to tell another tale about the existence of some bander gangs, which interfere with the mass surrender of the armed forces of ukraine, who want to surrender to the russians and thus end the war, it is clear that it is on fire. it is the one behind it, it does not prevent the armed forces from simply going ahead and surrendering, that is, it is idiocy at the level of, well, a joke, how much the un platform reacts when this kind of stupid stupidity sounds, that is, people accept it, they do not , it has some consequence that we have a clinical liar in front of us, informed people perceive, third world countries, if there someone is watching the progress of the debate. they can believe, for example, you are walking around the western world, the thesis that danger is rising in ukraine, that

nationalism is developing and growing, and it is becoming more, you and i understand that this is stupid, but are you sitting somewhere in argentina, in in brazil, in south africa, somewhere in sri lanka, what do you think about it, you have no idea whether it is true or not, but if you have not heard other points of the stars. walks, walks about the fact that this, look, here the construction itself, just the construction of this, this lie was so stupid that it does not correspond to the logic of just events, here it just goes like a cart in front of a mare, well, who will think about logic, perceiving such information, far from everyone, but on the other hand, you know, for the rank and file in the soviet army, that is from there the example went, there people retreated and them... we have to end on this funny note and we are grateful to you for the analysis of everything that happened this week

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