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political club, continue to summarize the most important events of the current week, and perhaps most importantly, what was on the lips of the entire society, all mass media, this is the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to the united states of america, the visit lasted more than 5 days, the president met with the leaders of the united states of america. with us president joe biden, with vice-president and democratic candidate kamala harris, and in the end , i managed to meet with another us presidential candidate, donald trump, even after a certain scandal. in general, during this meeting, the president presented a victory plan, met, by the way, also with congressmen and senators.

meetings were with the defense industry of the united states of america, well, in short , many, many things. mr. vitaly, if we summarize like this first, how would you characterize this visit, relatively speaking, was the victory plan, as they say, presented positively, did this chip work with him, and was it successful. no one has already spoken, that's why i'm asking you, how do you characterize all this that happened in the context of this, well, this is what you and i talked about last week, when i asked, and what is the point in principle of providing some plan 40 days before the presidential election in the united states, because if you really want some plan of interaction.

strategic, then you need to propose this plan to the new president of the united states, the president said again that there needs to be some kind of ... change, a decisive break in the war, to ensure before the presidential election in the united states, i don't understand how, frankly, when there is a month left, there are no miracles in war, and in such a war, in which the russians are now advancing, not the ukrainians troops, i understand that if we were to advance there and we would not have enough strength, we would need a few more echelons of weapons so that we could break through the russian defense there, but now the situation is completely different, now the situation is that we are... losing positions, we need help us, so that we don't lose them, so that we stop the russians from attacking our territory, and it's been a long time, it's been happening for almost a year, this is the first moment, the second moment, i told you then and now that i thought absolutely it is correct that if the president of ukraine arrives in the united states

states to the session of the un general assembly, so that he met with the current president and with the candidates for the post of president of the united states. because the ukrainian president doesn't really have a big political choice, if he doesn't go to the session of the un general assembly before the presidential elections in the states, he shows disrespect for the current administration, right? i did not come not to meet you, because they do not know whether you will win, and what you did for me, for my country for four years in a row, is not of great importance, i will talk to the winner, so impossible, especially since we understand that in the composition of whose administration. there is a person who absolutely has a chance to win the presidential elections on november 5. so, you are coming to the session of the un general assembly in any case. if you are coming, of course you should keep a balance and meet not only with the current president, but also with the candidates for the position of the president of the united

states. and ukrainian presidents have always tried to do this. and it was not always possible, you remember that in 2016 too was such a problem because donald trump practically did. everything that depended on him not to meet with petro poroshenko. and now, by and large, donald trump was doing everything that depended on him not to meet with volodymyr zelensky. the fact that this meeting took place says that even within trump's circle there are now influential circles that believe that such a meeting should take place and are influencing trump in opposition to trump himself and those of his, i would say, associates, assistants who believe that he does not need to talk to zelenskyi, but yes, zelensky with this meeting... got into, i wouldn't even say, an unexpected scandal, it would be very good if there were no scandals, a scandal programmed by the very logic of the presidential election campaign, why? because there are certain points, certain topics, on which one candidate can

build up from another, there are many of them, and they primarily concern domestic politics, but in the foreign policy segment, it is the near east. and ukraine. and by the way, when it comes to the middle east, there is also an exchange of statements that absolutely incredible, well, that is, when donald trump says that if he is not elected president of the united states, it will be the fault of american jews, right? no american politician has ever allowed himself to do this during the election campaign, but donald trump understands that he can show how much he thinks about israel's security and future. will differ from the position of kamela garis with ukraine is absolutely the same. so when kamela garis met with volodymyr zelensky, she didn't talk so much with him volodymyr zelensky, how much with donald trump. she explained why her position on ukraine is diametrically opposed to

donald trump's position. and it is precisely this that is largely emphasized in those states where there are swing voters, participants of her election campaign, that is, in particular , this story with pennsylvania is famous. when kamela garis during the debate in pennsylvania, they turned to the poles in pennsylvania and said: look, this person wants ukraine to fall and this will be problems for your homeland, for poland, for polish americans in pennsylvania. and then the posters appeared. of pennsylvania, with an appeal to the polish diaspora of pennsylvania, and now zelensky is going to a pennsylvania weapons factory, right? where governor shapir is, where these poles are, in this way, as if from a point of view. republicans, supporting this entire garis company with their own presence, it is no longer just an appeal by garis, it is no longer just crying, and now zelensky himself, well, it is obvious that this annoys the republicans, and they are just freaking out, and in

in this situation, i think that the letter that the speaker of the house of representatives of the american congress, mike johnson, sent as an ultimatum to volodymyr zelenskyi about the need to... refuse the services of the ambassador of ukraine to the united states, ms. oksana markarova, but this is just a sign of this, i would say tough such a reaction, tough but here. clarifying whether it was possible to somehow avoid such a scandal from the point of view of our authorities, that is, to build either a visit or a behavioral model in order to smooth out the corners as much as possible and still to avoid this scandal, or after all , the scandal that arose because of zelenskyi’s visit to the plant in pennsylvania was already... laid, and it could not be avoided at all, well, look, zelenskyi is not

visiting a military plant for the first time, he was cozy in a factory like this, the governor there is a republican, it was earlier, a few months before the election, and it did not cause any reaction from anyone, of course, from such a, i would say, purely professional point of view, if you come to the states a few weeks before election campaign, you don't at all you don't have to meet anyone. don't go anywhere, don't visit any factories, limit yourself to three meetings: biden, harris, trump and all, but i would like to remind you of one important thing, we are talking about this factory, right? and i saw an interview with senator linz graham, i think, who said that the plant is fine, it does not cause real emotions, it is only a reason for... irritation, because it is clear that this is a state plant, zelensky went

to this plant as the president of a country that needs weapons, the governor is with him, he is also a civil servant, well, all this would be so say, part of the protocol, that it is not known how easy it is to refuse this protocol when it is offered by the white house as part of zelensky's stay in the usa, but we were really puzzled by zelensky's interview with the new york magazine, huh. and in this interview , zelensky was quite skeptical of donald trump's approaches to ending the war in ukraine and disapproved of the concept of the republican candidate for the position of vice president of the united states , jady vance. but here again the question arises. then it turns out that the president of ukraine in principle should be obtained from any assessment of the intentions of american politicians regarding his own country for the period of the presidential elections, and can you find out why? why

can all other western politicians evaluate the words of biden, garis, trump, vance, well, the same viktor orban, let’s say there or someone else, they absolutely calmly comment on various statements of the american administration regarding the war in ukraine, or garis’s statements, right? and no one believes that this is an interference in the american. elections, why exactly, when zelenskyi is in the magazine the new yorker talks about his attitude toward jaydivens' position as a national security challenge to his country, but he doesn't discuss jaydivens' views on the situation on the us-mexico border, right? he is talking about ukraine. why, from the point of view of linzi graham, this is interference in elections. therefore, a very simple question arises here: what should you not do, so as not to dissolve them. to wire, i.e. where can you think of at this

election time so that they think that you are not wireting them, maybe you are annoying them by the very fact of your existence, well, that is, if to take it as an axiom that the problem is not in zelensky and not in his behavior and not in the protocol and not in the way he goes somewhere, and not to look for any unprofessional moments in the activities of the ukrainian delegation there or in the statements of our own president, even if we can find them, we can sit there and find and... offer our help to speaker johnson, and if we still agree that this is not a reason, but an excuse, that just before trump's election campaign is built on the idea that he is the president of peace, and harris will be the war president, and he said this at a campaign rally in north carolina, and he said it before the meeting with zelenskyi, and he said it during the meeting with zelenskyi, and he said it after the meeting with zelenskyi, so what can zelenskyi do to change this, this... his pre-election position, and nothing, that is, the problem, that is, the problem in essence, well

, again, in my opinion, not even in them, but the problem in him, that is, in trump, in fact, it was trump who brewed this whole mess, and to things, trump basically said something that in principle does not fit into the head, and that in general is far from any diplomatic etiquette, not even taking into account the fact that, relatively speaking, something could have offended him there, but what is it worth? there is no phrase ukraine, it is almost destroyed, millions of people died in ukraine, destroyed, destroyed civilization, destroyed cities, in fact they blame, there is no, well , i apologize, it was just a stream of lies, a stream of fakes, and and and these things, they far from any protocol at all, even, well, i’m not talking about diplomatic protocol, from any even the adequacy of running a political campaign, why, well, if trump

knows that the people to whom he addresses want to see such a picture of peace, yes, in ukraine and such a picture. the world in which they are, then he paints such a picture for them. by and large, what trump said is exactly the same story as those haitians who eat pets, remember? yes, he saw it on tv, you have to understand, trump is not making anything up. he saw something, someone told him something, he talked to someone. in general, this is how trump builds his information campaign and his vision the world from talking to some people. whom he trusts, this is what trump tells, it means that there are some people near him who tell him all this, he perceives information in this way, you will understand, trump is not a person who sits day and night with a newspaper there is the new york post or the new york times, and is studying some serious news or reading some

official memos, as you remember, when he became the president of the united states, he even refused the reports of the crime intelligence services. and said that he did not need all these documents, he is not interested in it, he works differently, he selects some people whom he trusts, the quality of these people is already on the conscience of donald trump, these people can live either in their own world, or be guided by some narratives that are beneficial to those with whom they themselves cooperate, and they put all this delusion in his head and he then broadcasts it, this is reality, and by the way, it must be clearly understood that when he becomes the president of the united states, if he becomes, then this will be what will determine ... i'm not talking about his politics another thing, you see that zelensky met with him, but can we say that he convinced him of something, no? trump continued to repeat in the presence of zelensky that he is on good terms with zelensky, and he is on good terms with putin, that putin wants to stop the war, and that this is a wonderful vision, and that this is the way to act, and it is necessary to understand

that if trump becomes the president of the united states, he will clearly tell zelensky that he is on good terms with putin, and if zelensky... wants anyone in the world, then he has to talk with putin and with him, as with friends, well, if they are in good relations, and all these phrases of zelensko that putin killed many people and destroyed, they somehow do not scare trump. trump says that ukraine is destroyed, right? that millions of people died in ukraine, that children are fighting in ukraine, that this is a terrible situation that has never happened, right? but at the same time, he considers it absolutely normal in this situation. from a political, moral point of view, to be on good terms with the person who did all this, well, according to his own statements, she destroyed the whole country, killed millions of people, even if it is a lie, but we are talking about now , we are quoting trump himself, he is at war with children and the elderly, and he is donald

trump on good terms with this person, and why does it arise the question is, what kind of friends do you have, that 's a good question. why this person, who committed such crimes according to your own version, should not be your friend, why you have a good relationship with him, well, i don't know, this also raises questions for me. but if we 're talking about trump after all changed his mind, that is, trump, in fact, initially, as they say, threw mike johnson to the forefront of this election campaign, yes, that is, soon mike johnson did not make such a decision himself. ask for everything, what is the decision to write this letter in a very aggressive, non-diplomatic way, regarding markarova, regarding the actual support of ukraine, zelenskyi, the alleged democrats, yes, this is in essence, most likely trump was the accomplice of this, it's first of all, well, is trump's team, is trump's team, yes, yes, is his team, or the environment that has

trump, and then trump changes his point of view everything. still meets with zelenskyi, here his technologists or his entourage told trump that it is still better to meet and demonstrate that he is such a president, supposedly the future of peace, or is it just that trump has a different point of view on something in principle every day, because very often, and i honestly don't think so, you know, we just very often observed that trump says one thing on monday, another on tuesday, a third on thursday, a fourth on sunday... well, look, i do not have any precise understanding at all, whether the meeting between zelenskyi and trump was agreed upon at the time of zelenskyi's arrival in the united states. you and i should also remember what we have on the ukrainian side. a team that believes that it can agree on everything and inform about it in advance, because i can’t help but meet with zelenskyi, the truth is, we live in the same situation here as there, and imagine what they were preparing

this meeting, they had no confirmation, but here in the background of the preparation of this meeting, that they they asked for a meeting, there is a trip to this plant, and trump just starts getting mad that... you want to meet with me here, and you don't stab me in the back, spitting, ah, i 'll show you, and starts saying all this, it can may not be the cancellation of the meeting, mr. andriy, it may not be the confirmation of the meeting, which was not agreed upon, but what happens next, it is necessary to show strength, but also nobility, respect for the one who declared himself the winner. trump doesn't just meet with zelensky, he prints. in their social networks of a letter from zelensky asking him for a meeting, do you remember this letter,

which was sent by one of the ukrainian diplomats on behalf of zelensky to trump, dear donald, we need to meet, talk, i really respect, all that, well, as if zelensky is apologizing, admitting how great trump is, well, well, trump is ready to meet with him then after this letter, but i want to... tell you that other heads of state did not have any problems with meeting with trump, no one did not put forward any to them complaints, no one demanded letters from them, no one published this official correspondence on social networks, but the desire to humiliate in this way was only in relation to zelenskyi, to show that he should respect me there, understand how great i am and what i am not led, and you are not great with pri'. it didn't happen, his team arranged a meeting, they agreed, they had dinner, with the president of the united arab emirates, as you understand,

it didn't happen either, he met with trump, it was a cordial meeting, no questions for him i won't say trump, although all these people, they met with both biden and harris, so trump understands perfectly well that ideologically, the prime minister of great britain is much closer to kamela harris than to him. but it did not prevent anything. trump in great britain supports completely different political forces, he supports nigel farage. he supported most of those, i would say, inclined to leave the european union, leaders, conservatives, nothing, calmly eats dinner with kir star. that is, he needed not just to meet with zelensky, but to show zelensky's dependence on him before this meeting. and the fact that he can even say something bad about zelensky, call him a salesman. to say that zelenskyi is spreading some dirty things about him, publicly, and zelenskyi will still ask for a meeting, will not get anywhere, and this is also his, his behavior in relation to

zelenskyi, to ukraine, who should simply give himself an account in the fact that he perceives it this way, that for him ukraine is such a subject or object that he can simply he can publicly disparage and agree on ukraine with putin, but he also said about this... in fact , he also said during his election campaign that he would agree with putin, and he is on good terms with him, so he would agree with him. well, as they say, we have what we have, one more thing is very interesting, in fact, you and i already started talking about the victory plan, about the fact that at first it was very brilliantly announced, for a month in a row in the ukrainian information space, they talked about it , foreign countries wrote about him... about him zelenskyi and ukrainian experts spoke personally, ukrainian politicians there, yes, but really, you absolutely rightly noted that

the last two days, in fact, of zelenskyi’s stay in the united states of america, at least today, is already about the victory plan, for some reason all these people, or they prefer not to mention it, or at least try to smooth out mentions of it, and at the same time a number of... western, american, in particular , publications say that the united states was not satisfied, or the united states of america was not satisfied with this the winning plan that the white house was also quite skeptical about this victory plan, in particular , the wall street journal wrote about it, and you really mentioned it, what was the point of going with this victory plan then, if you and i talked and... in principle prior to that , information appeared in the foreign press that, well, we are sorry, but all these points are practically impossible to implement, at least now. and

now we observe that we really have to put this whole issue down, as they say, put the brakes on, and now, apparently, try to talk about it a lot less. here is the question of why all this was done, and the second question is whether, in your opinion, the ukrainian authorities are going to mention or force this issue in the future, or whether we will forget about it, throw it away. into such an information dump, these are all things, and we will talk about something next, well , of course, this is a plan of information measures, which, it seems to me, is designed not so much for western partners, but for ukrainian society, so that ukrainian society understands a simple thing , and this, by the way, dangerous enough, zelensky will go to the united states, propose a plan, this plan is calculated even before the end of his term.

president biden, they will quickly give us everything we need, they cannot help but give it, and the war will be over in a few months, and how else? well, again, when they said that this is a plan, this is a plan for the current administration, it’s just that zelensky wants to introduce trump and garis to him, it looked very strange to me, unbelievable, but to the people, if you understand, to the people , who are used to perceiving information. measures of power as political reality, it does not look strange, and you can see in reality what many people say, listen, well, in a month, the war will end, why buy eyes, inverters there for houses, why, why send a child to a school somewhere in places of temporary stay, when in a month we will move anyway, the war will already be over, you haven't seen, haven't met with such situations,

well, that's the truth, mr. vitaly and... the biggest problem is that we are essentially misleading people in this way, that is, we are already 25 years of raising people, yes, in my subjective opinion opinion, i believe that it is better for people to tell the truth as it is, because then a situation arises that then we fool people in something, they count on something or do not count on something, do not plan their life correctly, and then they are even more disappointed , and you and i talked about it there... and last time and the time before last, that people should understand how to build their lives, at least for there, for three months, six months, a year, two years, if they are not going to do it , they will then face the further disappointment that to tell them every month, listen, that's it, in a month the war will end, in two, three, six months, well, it probably won't have a positive effect there on the same energy efficiency, on education, which you mentioned, in general on... people, on

their planning, i'm sorry, family life, employment, their place of residence, and so on and so on, you can give a lot of such examples, mr. andriy, the most important thing is, because if i think that the war in two months will end, arises the question, why do i have to join the armed forces now, oh, and risk my life in the last two months, when it's clear that everything is... finalizing, well, it is, but you know, it's from our point of view , but you can apply another point of view, as you understand, which will consist in the fact that people have a short memory, especially during such critical events, and each time they are from faith, from a new faith at the end of the war are moving to a new faith, but now the victory plan has not worked, and they have already

forgotten about it, as you rightly say, we... about we still remember him, he is almost absent in the information space. zelensky returned from the united states, he spoke with biden there, he spoke with harris, he spoke with trump, everyone spoke with him, and this is the truth, this is reality, he met with the current president, with the candidates for the post of president stra, which was supposed to be a political content of this visit, not a plan to win. it all happened exactly as it had to happen, because the plan for 40 days before the presidential election of the united states will not work, not a single one. oh, now there will be other important events, ramstein, the summit of the four, the peace summit, for example, yes, now you can prepare the peace summit, and say, there will be a second peace summit, there, remember, they wanted to hold it before the presidential election in the united states , they also seriously talked about this, what should be done before the presidential elections in the united states, i

also can't understand at all, but for what, ah... for what?