so that they have the opportunity to go into the military service, uh, and so, well, to stop the case, obviously, no, well, i, i'm not interested in that, there are no such cases, there are no such cases, and therefore i do not want to answer incompetently, thank you very much, thank you very much, mr. oleg liontiv, a military lawyer, was with us, it is very nice that he joined us, and we are moving to the central office. viktor savinok, political scientist, international, senior analyst at the western institute, political expert, will accompany europe and us german-speaking countries, we will see him now, mr. viktor, thank you for taking the time to join us. well, what, they say, in austria, maybe the extreme right will win the elections, and this is not very good for...

the ukrainian cause, did i understand correctly, and then we will talk not only about austria, but certainly also about germany, federally, what do you say, mr. victor? we really have the fact that the first place in the permanent exit polls goes to the party of freedom, it is... a party that really does not have gas, and they concern, for example, or for example, they go with the ideas of integration, but also a return to close work between austria and the russian federation, who are also in favor of, let's

redial you, mr. viktor, because the sound is very bad, we hear about 30% of your words, and i would like i hear at least 90, well at least 80, but i would still like to know the rest, because there really are a lot of them. it is interesting that in austria, that in the federal republic, where there are such local elections now, and in a year there will be not only local elections, but all german ones, and it is difficult, and despite the fact that austria is so small, it can worsen the mood, obviously, and we all remember well that some austrian politicians loved to invite president putin to their weddings and dance with president putin. and even she is such

a lady, she has now moved to russia, lives in russia, and at every intersection tells how beautiful putin is, and she really lives in russia, this is the truth, that is, she is not the person from austria who says, how good it is in russia, and she in russia says that it is very good there, so what is actually happening, we don’t know yet, and we will wait, if mr. viktor will explain it to us, it will be here, it will be, it will be great, we will... i will try, and maybe we will then, let’s go, maybe we will leave the voice, or maybe it will interfere when and the picture and the voice, come on, it's me who communicates with the hardware, so you know, with people who know how to do technical things, i don't know how, yes, i see, yes.

look, it means that just today, sunday , elections are taking place in austria and it seems that there are already exit polls that the extreme right will most likely win, this is the national council, this is the lower house parliament, and the victory was just predicted, because we wrote it before the exit polls opened, in the far-right austrian freedom party, we know about it headed by such herbert kickl, so his views on the future, migration... the war in ukraine is similar to the ideas of the prime minister of hungary, he is even called the new orban, here mr. viktor appeared, good health, mr. victor, this is viktor savinok, an international politician, an international political scientist, i am sorry, a senior analyst at a western institute, political expert german-speaking countries, and what is it for us, how will it affect us, what is bad for ukraine, if herbert kikl wins, what will happen to us, what bad things

will happen to us? the fact is that so far there is a certain consensus among the austrian political forces, others, in this case. we are talking about, for example, the people's party, which is headed by the current chancellor karl nehamer, or the social democratic party of austria, which is headed by andreas babler, who stated that they will not enter into a coalition with the freedom party, and definitely will not agree to take participation in the government, which will be headed by chancellor herbert kickl. also about that. that hebert kikl will not be appointed chancellor, said the austrian federal president, alexander vannerbelen, so accordingly, if the main political parties, the austrian ones, meaning the social democrats and

conservatives from the people's party, will keep their promise and not enter into a coalition with the freedom party , then we can say that the party...of freedom will in some places undermine the stability of the political environment in austria, but have a significant impact on the political life will not do because it will be in opposition. look, mr. viktor, the people who vote for this kikl party, they, who, they are patriots, they say, we don't need these foreigners, migrants, etc. we don't give money to ukraine because we don't have enough, to raise salaries, i don't know, to teachers, there i am to doctors, there to and fro, whether it's some kind of people who just love russia, putin, i don't know, maybe they love and hitler, maybe, well, because hitler

and putin are very similar now, and we know that certain events took place in the 1930s, and many austrians loved them. and hitler, by the way, is austrian himself, so who are these people? these are rationalists who say, we don't have enough, so we won't help, we love ukraine in principle, but we, we don't have enough money, or these are people who say, we love dictators under all conditions, and we don't care, ukraine, not ukraine, but dictators, we support, these are people for whom, apparently, the ukrainian question and also, the question of love for russia, is secondary. they are concerned that there is, in their opinion, again too much in austria migrants, they are worried that, in their opinion, the european union is taking on too many powers, austria is losing its

sovereignty, and also, the russian map itself is starting to tear up when they start talking about austrian neutrality. and actually the party of freedom tries to play on this topic of austrian neutrality, saying that on the one hand the european union prevents austria from being truly neutral and engaged in playing some important role on the international arena, and on the other hand, actually maintenance of the sanctions regime and aid to ukraine, which, by the way, is humanitarian, austria did not provide. never once in ukraine any military aid, it prevents austria from playing such an important role as a mediator in the international arena and a neutral broker, which could once again become such

a player that allowed, for example, to hold peace talks on the territory of austria, as it would like party, but, but mr. victor, this is quite strange. if you said such words about germany, i would still somehow understand more or less, but if we remember the austro-hungarian empire of the lighter emperor, then there were many nationalities, there were no austrians there exclusively, there were the balkans, there was part of ukraine and portraits of the lighter emperor are now in lviv, this is our bukovina, where austrian, austrian aristocrats rested. and if i understood, if this is some kind of mononational country, yes, okay, maybe they have this in their heads, but it’s not like that, austria is not like that, in austria there is also austria-hungary, there are a lot of different countries, nations, religions and so on further,

and in this if such was always the imagination of austria-hungary, and now somehow everything is different, i mixed something up somewhere here, mr. viktor, a lot. in fact, they do not realize that in fact the distance to, for example, the ukrainian, ukrainian border from the is actually very small, in some places it is less than the distance to other european countries, so, accordingly, in austria, in fact, despite this legacy of the austro-hungarian monarchy, which we mentioned, they know very little about ukraine and prefer to... .and it is necessary to come to an understanding with the big players, that is, with the united states and with russia

federation and the people's republic of china, in order to once again play this oral broker. i still don't understand, because in 1955, yes, well, it's not for you, for the audience, austria and its allies and the soviet union were captured for 10 years in 1945. they didn't know what to do with it, and finally, after all, as if the western style had defeated stalin's style, and they also forgot about it, as i understand, now about the germans, how dangerous it is to vote, where, after all, everything the parties in power still receive support, but they are literally breathing down their backs the parties are not in power, on the contrary, the right, the ultra-right and again... pro-russian, to what extent will this trend continue during this year,

when in a year there will be general elections in germany, and how much should we worry about this? please, mr. viktor. it must be said that the elections, which will be held in three federal states in the east of germany, on september 1 and september 22, they are actually responsible for the small number and population of germany. in general and, accordingly, german voters, that is, in this case it is difficult to translate the results of these votes to the actual vote at the federal level, which will take place in a year. on the other hand, the actual results are unlikely to be successful for the ruling coalition, because in fact the two parties from the ruling coalition are a union. 90 the greens and the free democratic party were expelled from almost all three

landags, that is, the state parliaments in saxony and brandenburg, although the greens in saxony remained in antava, but their party, too, the faction also decreased, on the other hand, and the ruling social democrats, actually remained in the lantags in the taxon. and thuringia, but balancing on me barrier. on the other hand, if you look at brandenburg, there indeed, the social democrats achieved a very convincing result of over 30% of the vote, ahead of the alternative for germany and again showing that they can still win, but the problem now is that electorate. other parties, which were together with them in the coalition, before that decided to support the social democratic party and now they have

nine people with whom to create a new alliance. last question, mr. viktor, excuse me, but we we can say that, for example, we know the axis powers, yes, the east germans, the former gdr, correlation, if they are in the east, then there are more for the soviet union, for russia, and those in the west. less, or is it all mixed up now? there is a correlation regarding how military aid to ukraine is perceived in different regions of germany, and in fact, if we are talking about the western lands, then the situation that we observe at the federal level, that is, about 40% for definitely, another about 20%. for on the same level, on which they are now, and about 28% are against,

and they are abandoning any aid, and in fact this is 28% against, they are transferred to those voters who support the right-wing alternative for germany, the ilopolist union also recognizes dilinke's party, and ... we actually see that in the east the ratio is somewhat different, because about 60% of respondents from the incoming... lands reject military aid to ukraine and believe that it actually threatens germany and contradicts its national interest. thank you very much, thank you very much, we will follow everything is happening viktor savinok,

international political scientist, senior analyst at the western institute, expert on the politics of german-speaking countries, that's exactly what we were talking about. we are gradually getting closer to home, but do not cross the borders of ukraine, let's stop, the last stop for today is moldova. and we are now waiting for vladyslav kulmynskyi, who was once the vice-prime minister for the reintegration of moldova, now the executive director of the institute of strategic initiatives, and i hope that we... we will wait and see him and ask him about october 20, because 20 moldova will elect a president on october, this is important, good health, mr. vladyslav, as i said, mr. vladyslav kulmynskyi, former vice-prime minister for reintegration of moldova, executive director of the institute of strategic initiatives. thank you for finding time for us, mr. vladyslav. good

evening, thank you for the invitation. so we're all here. we love sandu, we love president sandu, president sandu will remain, we, we are for gender relations, we love women as presidents, and we hope that sooner or later later, a woman will become president in ukraine, a woman will remain president in moldova, well, this is very important not only because you like president sandu, or if you like her, the main thing is that you like romania and the european union without a doubt. the main thing is, in my opinion, the main thing is the issue of security, because imagine if, for example, a pro-russian candidate or a pro-russian government comes to power in moldova behind the back of ukraine, it will immediately be a very serious

security challenge, as for ukraine and romania, because in these elections... the stakes are very high, and they are not about personalities, they are not about who will win these elections, but they are about the security system in the region, and for ukraine these elections, they are very important. i have a question for you, i think our viewers will like it because it is so positive, well, imagine the weakening of russia, we would all like to... to use the word, i would like to use the word defeat of russia, and also better a crushing defeat, but okay, weakening, what will happen to the so-called transnistria, what will then happen to gagauzia, when this, this blood vessel, the blood of the blood, which actually feeds both gagauzia and

eastern moldova. i.e. transnistria, that there, how people there will react to it, they used to know that there was a great russia behind them, now such a more fragile russia will appear behind them, not as big and not as powerful as what was , there may be a reaction of local residents, mr. vladislav, from the point of view, from the point of view, from the point of view of influence or geopolitics, not much will change there, because you know that in... from the entire population of moldova, and the main issue is an economic issue , because it is expected that after we start to seriously implement ac-community, i.e. the legislation of the european union, economic growth, economic

growth is expected in moldova, and this will mean that what is happening in moldova. the economic situation will improve, that is, but, but now in transnistria and gagauzia, these are not the main issues, because this, this issue, it was postponed until after the period after the parliamentary elections, because now the main thing is the continuation of the course european integration of moldova, this preservation of pro-european power, and practically what is currently being done in these areas, on... this is management, this is conflict management, this is prevention of escalation or prevention of attempts to destabilize there and... everything, because now nobody will be in the pre-election period, nobody will not try to settle these conflicts now, but you are right, as for the influence

of the russian federation, it will decrease, well , you are right, you are also right that in general , what is happening now reminds me of the crimean war of 1853- oh, 56 years old, and me i can't imagine the situation. in which event he will abandon ukraine, because this, it seems to me, would be a strategic defeat of the entire west, and not only there our defeat or your defeat, and it seems to me that this is such a working scenario, that the black sea will remain ukrainian, that it will not turn into an internal lake of russia there, and this means that for moldova , thanks to ukraine, thanks to the fact that you... persevered, such a window of opportunity opens, which, apparently, opens only once a century, and if moldova does not will be used if we bring

some pro-russian government to power, well, this will be worse than than a crime, this will be a mistake, a geostrategic mistake for the country, and what do they say, what do mr. vladyslav say, sociologists, we are used to it, and it is like this in ukraine the situation itself was in moldova, who observes that there were constant fluctuations, then some kind of socialism with a communist bias, then more pro-european, then here, then here, now the impression is that the number of people, the number of moldovans who want europe, is a little it's a little bigger than you, who mentions the soviet union, am i wrong, or what do sociologists say, please, yes, you are right, sociologists, exactly, exactly... this is exactly what they say, that the vast majority of moldovans and the vast majority of the country's population are for

the european union, and i will also remind you that we will still have a referendum, and this referendum, it is probably also on october 20, and this referendum, it is probably even more important than the presidential election, because there will be a question, if the election... i agree with in order to include the accession of moldova to the european union in the constitution of moldova, that is and yes, all sociological polls, they show that everything, everything should be fine, but let's not forget that russia still believes that somehow moldova, well like most of ukraine, is some kind of their natural te... influence, and they don't, i don't see a situation in which they will immediately wave at us and say, goodbye, this won't happen, they are working

and have practically used all their abilities to ensure that the election of moldova is not on the side of the european union , so that moldova says no in this referendum on joining the to the european union and... for moldova, whether it returns to the sphere of influence of the russian federation or remains in this gray zone, yes, where practically both have influence , this is such a position, and we have followed it for almost 30 years, let's we will sit on the fence and watch there, and we will be with one and the other, and with others, that's it , for moldova, a lot of things will be decided in these elections, propaganda, propaganda in the country. as much as no one has ever seen, money is invested very, very much in order to change the choice the population of moldova, here and there, this and this

struggle will continue until october 20, and we all really hope that it will be peaceful, because there are also expectations that there may be a large-scale destabilization in the country, i just they showed, as you saw... here the sheet is going, which means that voting is also in the referendum, in the elections, everything is in the romanian language there, that is, the issue of language is not discussed in moldova, people calmly accept that they are speaking in their native language, and there is no let's go to russian, that's where we've been since childhood, that's where pushkin is, that's all we are they experienced the same thing, that is, what happened in moldova, what happened to pushkin in moldova? no. this, this is not the question, the question of today, because well , in general, you know, this is what, what, what you are talking about, it seems to me that those who

were planning something about... ukraine or moldova in the kremlin, they have no idea what kind of countries these are, that these are no longer the countries that were there under the soviet union, that these are already other countries, these are countries with their own political nation, with their own politics, social, social, social component , an economic component, they don't understand all this, they still see it, how there is a little bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a shame. we are practically, well no, there is not a single person who has not been there in the countries of the european union, not everyone likes it, there are many of them, you are right that there are many people who are still nostalgic about the soviet union, but moldova is going forward, and well, if you look at the map and and and where and where moldova is located, you will see that for moldova, for any government of moldova

to conduct some kind of pro-russia. who about russian politics is suicide, because we are between romania, which is a member of nato and the european union, and ukraine, against which russia is waging a war of aggression, the last question, you, i'm sorry, mr. vladyslav, i'm just very curious, who are these people, now i will call them oleksandr stoyanoglo and renato usatiy, who are these people, it is as if, at least we in the editorial office decided that they are the main competitors of maya sandu. they are pro-russian and who are they, they are some important people, they held important positions, where are they from they started, who are they? well, they have been in the politics of moldova for a long time, and yes, yes, you are right, one of them will be in the second round, and as for alexander stoyany, he, for example, positions himself as an independent candidate, but he comes from a party which, which

is a pro... a russian party which pursued a pro-russian policy in moldova, that is, in maysand, it has every chance to win these elections, unless there is some kind of large-scale destabilization, you know, somehow, if there is something, something, something, what destabilizes the situation, then the entire opposition will say that tsandu is the president of the war, and that we need another candidate who will bring peace to moldova. and so on, but we hope that our institutions will work, they work in close coordination with institutions from our neighboring countries, including ukrainian ones, we hope that everything will be fine and that there will be no destabilization, and in this in the case of may sandu, she will win these elections and she will continue moldova's pro-european course. the last question, can you answer briefly, you can take a long time, but the question is provocative, i'll get ahead of it right away. in... 50 years, will romania

and moldova become one country or not? it is important that romania and moldova are part of the european union, this is the main issue for moldova, the main thing for moldova now is to escape to the european union from the point of view of security, from the point of view of development, from the point of view of everything, that's the main thing , and if how it will be there in 150 years, you and i do not know that. thank you very much, vladyslav kulmynskyi, former deputy prime minister for affairs reintegration of moldova, executive director of the institute of strategic studies, initiatives, i apologize, thank you for your attention. the last, penultimate, thing that remains for me is to repeat once again that we need funds for drones and a charging station for the reconnaissance of the third regiment of special operations forces, please, these people are located in chas in the chasovoy yar region of donetsk region, the situation there is very difficult, and uavs will help improve this situation for

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