and those countries are post-communist and we are, and those are post-colonial and we are, and those, and in our country those countries are orthodox, and we are an orthodox country, so many markers of identity say that the identification matrix is ​​similar, we are not yet accepted in europe, but they were already accepted, well, i would draw attention to the fact that in poland there is a certain grudge against... well, i risked using the word lost historical wars. you mentioned, mr. vitaliy, about jedwabny, and in poland for a long time this discussion around jedwabny revolved around the role of poles in general and the polish community in the second world war, and we remember even when the polish sejm decided to include in the law on the institute of national remembrance of poland a punishment for attributing the crimes of the nazis to the polish people. committed during the second

world war, which was later canceled. poland had a historic war with germany, when in response to the emergence of exile societies in germany, the poles talked about reparations from germany. i suppose that, since poland definitely did not win these wars, there was a temptation, well, let's at least in ukrainians, we will win the war, because we cannot lose in this debate. i will recall the words here. ukrainian political scientist, historian lysiak rudnytskyi in the conflict of the two sides is always a little more guilty, stronger, and the poles were stronger than the ukrainians both in the 19th century and in the interwar period, when they had their own state, even in the communist camp, what was the status of ukraine as a republic within the ussr and poland as a satellite state of the communist bloc, this is also a different status. poles have always been a bit strong. from us

around 2005 , the idea appeared in poland that the status of poland in the european union could be raised thanks to the fact that poles would become the main specialists in poland on the issues of belarus, lithuania, possibly russia, and would one day bring these countries into the european union. the poles talked about the jagiellonian idea, because these territories, and lithuania, and belarus, and ukraine, are a large part of ukraine. once had a common historical fate with the polish people, then poland would have become in europe, well, the main expert on the issues of ukraine, belarus, maybe lithuania, that is, brussels would not directly address kyiv, but warsaw, but you have good contacts, understand, this would without a doubt raise the status of poland, and therefore the poles began to plan that ukraine joins the european union, but on the polish side - on the polish side

demands, the way they would like to see us, with all the things they like, ignoring the things they may not like too much, but ukraine is a sovereign state, and i like the other way better: if ukraine becomes a member of the european union, we must perform there are certain norms, there are certain requirements, and indeed then we can talk about this common historical memory, although i do not have... optimism here, because even the germans and the french, despite very good relations, cannot agree on the assessment of many common events, whether the british and the french, for example, there will always be a different assessment between peoples, like today's already mentioned genghis khan or napoleon, but now there was this british film napoleon, it was not disliked in france again, without a doubt, since the film brave heart two a quarter of a century back was not liked in england, because he represented the scots in a better way than the english, such... always exist, the only

question is that it does not affect state policy and does not stir up any nationalist sentiments, well, i have to tell you that again- yes, it is always an attempt to bring history out of parentheses, it is problematic when history becomes part of politics, i remember very well that even after the second maidan, when we were all incredibly enthusiastic about our bilateral relations, i headed the ukrainian part of the polish-ukrainian forum. partnership, and here we were sitting at meetings and across from me sat people whom i have known for 25 years, we have experienced almost everything in life with them, and it seemed to me that now is such a moment when we represent two parts of the community, ready for cooperation , we, and we have a common memory of the life we ​​lived together, we cannot have any problems and disagreements at all, we can have problems, we are generally our own people, and every time this meeting began with a question from the rise of which... something historical

questions and every time, as the colleague said in surprise, well, listen, let's move from history to the present moment, just as shimon golovlya says, we need to bring... ukraine at least to the state in which poland is, politically, social and so on, and from now on it will be much easier for us to deal with all the complex problems of the past, and this almost never found understanding, and it means that we will have to continue to drag this load, we will now come back in just a few minutes and continue our discussion, stay with by us tingling, numbness or crawling of ants in the limbs arise spontaneously and worry you. a special complex of active substances of dolgit antineuro helps to normalize the functioning of the nervous system.

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the espresso tv channel, dissidents rights activist and public figure yosyp zisels, historian andriy kozytskyi. we are talking about genocides. on this day of commemoration of the victims of the woman's ravine, about how historical memory in general, i would say, to be transported, remelted in the understanding of the future, this is how you can surely say, for that, it is necessary that people... people understand what people should do with historical memory, so i will tell you a simple family story: my aunt, the elder sister of my grandmother, died at the age of 33 with a child who was one year old, rahil portnikova and her daughter's name was tatyana with her husband, also her age, but for my grandmother it was an incredible trauma, well, it's clear, then to lose an older sister, a young woman, her grandmother... i lived with trauma all my life, and i always had there is a certain impression that she is trying to distance herself from her. she

lived in kyiv all her life, and almost always, when she needed to go through serets, where babyn yar is located, she went around the route, she chose the trolleybus or tram route so as not to pass by, and i believed that she wanted not to see it, and she mentioned it very carefully and briefly, although she told a lot. family stories, but not this one, i just knew that my aunt died in my grandmother's ravine with her family, when my grandmother was no longer there, she died at the age of 90, in jerusalem, i was visiting my aunt, sister of my other grandmother, i was looking at her, some archives, and it was already past 90, and suddenly i saw a photo of some pretty woman, i say who is she, she says, well, she is your aunt, the sister of your grandmother, who died in the women's ravine , i was very surprised... what does this photo do to you. when i went to israel, my aunt tells me, your

grandmother gave me this photo to take to the museum, and i don't understand what to do with it, i didn't understand what to do with it, that is, my grandmother even knew, that there is a museum in israel that honors the memory of the victims holocaust, she found this photograph, which i had never seen in my life, she gave it, in fact, secretly from the whole family, to a relative who went to israel to honor her memory. there are women, and i think, lord, well, it's good that i saw it, that when someone was alive, and i took this photo, went the next day to yadvashemu, it was on foot, you could walk that distance, and i filled all these questionnaires, surnames, made a scan of this photo, this is how rahil portnikova returned this hall of memory, but... it was obvious that my grandmother did not know how to speak, even with me, that is, she

believed that only israel could be entrusted with this, in some way she was not understood, and this also speaks of what was wrong with memory in soviet society, and this is the question, to you already at the end of our conversation, how to make sure that people understand this memory and that they go forward with this memory and not back, well, as i understand it... historical memory and history is real - it's almost incompatible things, they are very different things, and in many cases they contradict each other, historical memory - these are memories, certain stereotypes, the consequences of those totalitarian, authoritarian regimes that planted their vision, yes, and history is real - this is what historians do gradually. i want to point out that the answer may lie in a completely different

plane. for example, history proves to us, shows us, especially in the last century, that democratic countries, democratic peoples do not fight each other, by definition, there are no wars between democratic peoples, there are no genocides between democratic peoples and democratic peoples. perhaps the only way to such is the evolution, because more and more countries, if you look at the research of freedom house, reports are published there every year, how many more democratic and free peoples are there, and these are not the same thing, free democratic peoples in the world, it is on my at first glance, it seems like this immersion in the democratic world and gradual entry into europe. democratic europe, the european union, another, this is one way, but are we sure

that all nations can gradually enter a democratic civilization, i honestly in recent years, i have great doubts about these, i even had such a skeptical idea that maybe god created humanity in the wrong, wrong paradigm, that good always wins over evil, but that good and evil are laid down as two full-fledged factors that balance one for one thing, such a principle of universal global balance is embedded by god in humanity, and then we better... understand our war, because our war is not the war of russia against ukraine in recent years, it is already the war of anti-democratic civilization, where there is not only russia, and north korea, china, iran, syria, there, belarus, venezuela, even, batswana, or someone else, who are openly anti-democratic, against

democratic civilization, 55 countries already help us, now argentina has become the 55th country. which help us militarily, diplomatically, financially, with weapons, that is, this is a certain image of an intercivilizational war, a democratic civilization and an anti-democratic civilization, so one of the ways to get out of that sad paradigm that you said is to get to a democratic civilization when we will get there, we don't know, but we tried... we have to be a part of it after all, that is, it's about a change of identity again. two minutes, mr. andriy, because we are already continuing to the final. well, i will quote the english writer ian peirce, who once said that modern society believes that history develops only in the upward direction and will not be worse than it was. meanwhile, humanity has known periods of black, dark

ages, when regression occurs, and i think that, based on the fact that politics is a balance strength, ukraine must become stronger, not only as a military-industrial complex, joining allies, but also with internal solidarity, and this solidarity is based on self-awareness, and self-awareness should be comprehensive, as you rightly noted, and be proud of heroes and answer for your bad deeds or bad the actions of our predecessors, because organicity, authenticity is difficult to destroy, if some historical... myth is a myth, then it can be destroyed by the enemy or even time itself, if ukraine is true in its core, well then it will be invincible, well, this is 30 seconds, a minute, yes, half a minute, we were all witnesses, as in 92, it seems, the former yugoslavia, which carried out the genocide of certain nations that

were part of it, there were croats, bosnians and so on , suffered from... times thanks to the intervention of america and other countries that joined at the time, it was an attempt by the world to punish the country that carried out the genocide, but it was very unsuccessful, for example, because there were many opponents, i am not talking about russia, which was a pro-serbian country, but also a lot liberal circles in other countries, in western countries, were against such a measure, this is the second way. find a way to punish countries that carry out the genocide of others, a situation when you yourself do not want to use force against those who are ready to use force against their own countrymen, this does not only apply to the former yugoslavia, it applies to iraq until the regime of saddam hussein, exterminated absolutely consistently kurds and local shiites, and then it was america who was guilty of using force against this regime, which

in fact, he fought with his own population with absolute confidence, and well, then there is only evolution, well, it will be. to believe that evolution is of course important to us here in ukraine, but we also need victory in the war, because we understand that without it our evolution is unlikely to be successful, so i sincerely believe that, friends, even this is not easy for all of us day and a difficult time for all of us, victory and peace, i thank our dear guests yosyp zysils and andriy kozytskyi for participating in this broadcast, thank you, dear friends, for being with us during these two hours, this program was conducted by vitaly portnikov, good luck. see this week in the collaborators program. leaders of putin's youth organizations in the occupied territories. today, the entire zaporizhzhia region celebrates the day of reunification with the russian federation. but what prospects do the rashists offer teenagers for

betraying ukraine? i advise you to contact the ministry of youth policy. greetings, i am olena kononenko and this is the program. collaborators about traitors who, at the call of their hearts and wallets, serve the rashi occupiers on foot. in today's program, we will continue talk about putin's youth organizations, which are creating offspring in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine. yug molody, or young south, is a russian youth organization founded in 2022. it is directly financed from the budget of the russian federation and operates in the captured territories of zaporizhzhia, kherson, donetsk, and luhansk regions. officially, the young south is about leisure for teenagers, but in fact it is a powerful recruitment center. the basis of the organization and its leaders are the so-called. from the russian federation, activists of the youth wing of united russia and local collaborators the movement organizes masses for all russian events and holidays. invites to hold lectures for young people,

kremlin politicians, bloggers and pop stars. they, in turn, talk about sky-high career prospects in russia. the movement constantly initiates actions in support of russian soldiers, collects and delivers humanitarian aid to them. the last such initiative was called "i". the south is young in the occupied part of the zaporizhzhia region by mykyta romanenko. i am sending a message to the armed forces of ukraine. as mykytka cut from the watchman at the cemetery to the leading figure of the russian organization, i will tell you now. melitopol residents report that mykytka has lived in melitopol since birth. in his hometown, he worked in an office, that is , he extorted money from people by phone. after he moved to the dnipro in similar call center, from a young age he began rooting for russia, opposed nato and supported the war from the first day of the invasion of the invaders. after february 24, he went to the crimea, where he tried

to fix his life by working as a guard at the cemetery, but something went wrong, and the traitor had to return to the occupied melitopol, it was there that the rashists began to create youth organizations to instill the kremlin ideology, so they really needed those who would lead them. mykytka was ideal for this, young, unprincipled, talentless and with a thirst for money and illusory power. russia, russia, russia, in addition, they found out that rumanenko had been waiting for the russian peace in melitopol for a very long time, tried to organize the movement of the immortal regiment and invited everyone to join the so-called underground melitopol legion. our law enforcement agencies found out that in the morning. in 2020, romanenko and his guides planned to distribute propaganda products of a russian nature in melitopol. in one of the messengers of the group called

melitopol-uprising, he called for the overthrow of the constitutional system, promoted the idea of ​​violent federalization and the withdrawal of the southern regions from ukraine, promoted the idea of ​​creating a fake zaporizhia republic and novorossiya. therefore, there was no need to prove loyalty to the russian invaders. by the way, for him. ukrainian activity of 2022, he received the medal from his hands gauleiter evgeny balytskyi. today, the entire zaporizhzhia region celebrates the day of reunification with the russian federation. this is a very significant day for all residents of the zaporizhzhia region, because they have been waiting for it for a very long time. also, activists of pivdnya molodoy will distribute symbols of the zaporizhzhia region and the russian federation. subsequently, this supporter of the tricolor headed the organization south young in the zaporizhzhia region. actions for support. kremlin, interviews with the main pro-putin stars, discrediting the armed forces and the ukrainian authorities, recruiting young people to join the anti-ukrainian movement, and this is far from a complete

list of mykytka's occupations in office. they will never succeed because russia will never kneel. this young traitor has a fanatical love for the kremlin grandfather. during the presidential pseudo-elections in russia. mykytka headed the volunteer headquarters of putin's support in the zaporizhzhia region, he can even often be seen next to neofur at russian events. here he is standing and lovingly looking at the unchanging dictator of russia after the election, and here he is singing with him on the same stage. to sing the national anthem of the russian federation on stage with volodymyr volodymyrovych on red square was something incredible for me, as a resident of the zaporizhia region. i still remember, it seems to me, this is exactly what i was telling. to their children and grandchildren. romanenko loves fame and the media very much, for this he runs a telegram channel called nikvanta, where he has 400 subscribers and works as a correspondent for

pomyny zmi srochna militopol. zaporizhzhia region is in touch. now we are at the world youth festival, the city of sochi. this fanatic of everything russian is now very useful for the occupiers, because he is engaged in agitation and propaganda among the youth. he often fasts playfully to music. a video about how cool it is to be russian, to have a passport with a chicken, and in general, russia is the center of the universe. as the chairman, romanenko is campaigning for young people to join racist universities, leave for russia and support those who allegedly liberated them in every possible way. this young traitor does not have suspicions yet, but he has already pushed and made a whole article of the criminal code. at first he was an active member of the russian organization pivden-molodiy, then went on to... a significant promotion, we are talking about kuzyakin kirill oleksandrovich from melitopol , born in 2002, my name is kirilo, our movement joins the victory for us campaign,

when russian troops captured his hometown, kirilo was a student, he saw his prospects in the occupation, for which he began to work actively. the boy was seen in almost all pro-russian youth organizations. at first, he was a member of the south young movement, which is managed by putin's united russia party. kyrylo is in the organization began to do pr on helping veterans, often traveled as a representative of zaporizhzhya youth to putin's vistas. the youth of zaporizhzhia region hopes and knows that we will continue to go to such big events. but kuzyakin did not want to be in the second wheel for a long time. the young rooster had enough other talents, which are able to better fulfill the roles of recruiters and agitators. that's why kyrylo applied to

the eco-organization dolay, which... seems to be saving the nature of the zaporizhzhia region. we are already holding the million pre-promotion on a regular basis motherland, and covering schools only in the city of melitopol, more than a million tons of secondary raw materials were collected. and it would be better to collect and send for processing all the russian garbage from our land. kuzyakin's career as an eco-activist was on the rise. he even won a grant of millions of rubles for his own project called masterskaya peresidotki razluai. from the ministry of youth policy. russia, its essence is to make souvenirs from garbage, this is how i understand the latest ideas. my boys and i have been recycling lids for a year, and our main eco-habit with them is this of course, collecting caps from bottles and recycling them. but not only ecoactivism. kuzyakin tried his hand at politics, tried to become a candidate for deputies from the united russia party in the zaporizhzhia region, but did not

make it. even to the lists, now he goes around, collects his own garbage, no, not russian black bags, thanks the government of the invaders and tries to attract as many teenagers as possible to the kremlin youth structures, we, in turn, invite kirill to join the ukrainian organization of collaborators, who will bear responsibility for treason homeland and finally, i will tell you about another young traitor who is a member of several putin youth movements, alina bezverhnya. a native of melitopol was very well known in the city until february 24, because since childhood she built a career as a singer, studied vocals at the number one children's music school and participated in various international competitions. so, in particular, in 2020, the girl won the grand prize at the bukovel starfest international festival in the vocal art category. but international competitions, a young performer with ease changed to narrow perspectives, where the performance at

the stadium can remain the top. career, when melitopol was captured by the russian army on february 25, 2022, alina quickly understood the rules of the russian peace and became its activist and propagandist. i advise you to contact the ministry of youth policy, cool people work here, they will help you with promotion and an equally cool recording studio. she became the leader of propaganda for young people in the young south, and also became the vice-president of the russian movement of children and youth. the first on camera, the girl broadcasts success, which, according to her , is possible only in russia and only on the moscow stage. she is often invited to sing patriotic songs at all kinds of concerts. fatherland as a representative of the so-called new territories of russia, alina. to

the moscow university of arts. no one is waiting for alina's return to ukraine, well, maybe our law enforcement agencies, to imprison her for a long time. it was the program collaborators and i, olena kononenko. if you have information about the kremlin sellers, write to us at this email address, or simply on facebook, together we will send all the traitors after the russian ship. see you in a week on espresso.