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of america. the visit lasted more than 5 days. the president met with the leaders of the united states of america, with the president of the united states, joe biden, with the vice president and democratic candidate kamala harris, and in the end, he still managed to meet with another candidate for the position of the president of the united states , donald trump, even after a certain scandal in general , during this meeting, the president presented a victory plan, met, by the way, also with congressmen and senators, had meetings with the defense industry of the united states of america, well, in short, a lot, a lot of things. mr. vitaly, if we summarize like this first, how do you characterize this visit, relatively speaking, was the victory plan, as they say,

positively presented, did this trick work with him, and are you talking about the victory plan again, mr. andrii, and you? noticed that in the last days of the visit , almost nothing was said about the victory plan, but no one spoke anymore, that's exactly why i'm asking you, how would you describe all that happened in the context of this, well, that's what we're talking about talked about last week when i asked you, what's the point in principle ... to provide some kind of plan 40 days before the presidential election in the united states, because if you want a real plan of engagement, strategic, then you need this plan to offer to the new president of the united states, the president was again saying what was needed some decisive changes there, decisive to ensure the end of the war even before the presidential elections in the united states, i do not understand how...

frankly, when there is a month left, there are no miracles in war, and in such a war, in which the russians are now advancing, and not ukrainian troops, i understand that if we were to advance there and we would not have enough strength, we would need a few more echelons of weapons so that we could break through the russian defenses there, but now the situation is completely different, now the situation is that we are losing ground, we need help to we didn't lose them to stop the russians from invading our territory, and it's been a long time, it's been almost a year. is happening, this is the first moment, the second moment, i told you then and now that i considered it absolutely correct that if the president of ukraine arrives in the united states for the session of the un general assembly, then he should meet with the current president and with the candidates for the post of us president, because the ukrainian president doesn't really have a big political choice, none, if he doesn't go to the session. states, he is like this

shows disrespect to the current administration, right? i did not come not to meet you, because i do not know if you will win, and what you have done for me, for my country for four years in a row, it does not matter much, i will talk to the winner, it is so impossible, that , but that's how zelensky got into, i wouldn't even say , an unexpected scandal with this meeting with trump, it would be very good if there were no scandals, a scandal that... was programmed by the very logic of the presidential election campaign, why? because there are certain points, certain topics, on which one candidate can build up from another, there are many of them, and they primarily relate to external domestic politics, but in the foreign policy segment - it is the middle east and ukraine, and by the way, when it comes to the near east, then there is already an exchange of statements that are absolutely... incredible,

well, that is, when donald trump says that if he is not elected president of the united states, the american jews will be to blame, no one has ever allowed himself the same american. politician during the election campaign, but donald trump understands that he can show how much his ideas about security and the future of israel will differ from the position of kamela harris, it is absolutely the same with ukraine, when kamela harris met with volodymyr zelensky, she she spoke not so much with volodymyr zelensky as with donald trump. she explained why her position on ukraine is diametrically opposed to donald trump's position, and that's exactly it. by and large put emphasis on those states where there are wavering voters, participants of her election campaign, in particular, this story with pennsylvania is famous, when kamela garis, during a debate in pennsylvania, turned to the poles in pennsylvania, said: look, this person wants ukraine fell and it's going to be trouble

for your homeland, for poland, for polish-americans pennsylvania, and then there were the pennsylvania posters with addressing the polish diaspora of pennsylvania. and now zelensky is going to an arms factory in pennsylvania, right? where is governor shapira, where are these poles, in this way, as if from the point of view of the republicans, reinforcing this entire haris company with their own presence, it is no longer just an appeal from haris, it is no longer just crying, but now zelensky himself, well, it is obvious that it is annoying republicans, and they're just freaking out, and in this situation, i... i think that the letter that the speaker of the house of representatives, mike johnson, sent ultimatum to volodymyr zelenskyi about the need to refuse the services of the ambassador of ukraine to the united states, ms oksana markarova, but this is precisely the sign of

this, i would say, harsh reaction, but clarification of whether such a scandal could have been avoided somehow from our point of view. this is how to build either a visit or a behavioral model in order to smooth out the corners as much as possible and still avoid this scandal as much as possible, or after all, the scandal that arose because of the visit to the zelensky factory in pennsylvania was already laid and cannot be could be avoided at all, well, look, zelenskyy is not the first time. military attends factory, he was still cozy at such a factory, the governor there is a republican, it was earlier, a few months before the elections, and it did not cause any reactions from anyone. of course, from this, i would say, purely professional point of view, if you come to the states a few weeks before the election campaign, you

don't need to meet anyone at all, don't go anywhere, don't visit any factories, limit yourself to three meetings. biden, harris, trump and all. but i would like to remind you of one important thing, we are talking about this plant, right? and i saw the interview senator linze graham, i think, who said that the plant is fine. it does not cause real emotions, it is only an excuse for our irritation. because it is clear that this is a state plant. zelensky went to this factory. as the president of a country that needs weapons, the governor with him is also a civil servant, well , all this is part of the protocol, so to speak, that it is not known how easy it is to refuse this protocol when it is offered by the white house as part of zelensky's stay in the united states, and we were really puzzled by zelenskyi's interview

new york magazine, well, in this interview , zelensky was quite skeptical about donald trump's approach to ending the war in ukraine. and disapproved of this concept of the republican candidate for the position of vice president of the united states jd vance. but here again the question arises. then it turns out that the president of ukraine should, in principle , refrain from any assessment of the intentions of american politicians regarding his own country during the presidential election period. can you find out why? why are all the others western politicians can evaluate the words of biden, garis, trump, vance, well, the same viktor orban, let's say there or someone else, they absolutely calmly comment on various statements of the american administration regarding the war in ukraine, or the statements of garis, right? and no one

believes that this is interference in the american elections. why exactly, when zelensky in the new yorker magazine talks about his attitude to jaydivens' position. which is a national security challenge to his country, he does not discuss jd vance's views on the us-mexico border situation, truth? he is talking about ukraine. why from linzi's point of view? the topic is interference in the elections, so there is a very simple question: what should you not do in order not to inflate them, i.e., what are you going to do at this time of the election so that they think that you are not annoying them, maybe you are annoying them yourself by the fact of its existence, well, that is, if we still take it as an axiom that the problem is not in zelensky and not in his behavior and not in the protocol and not in the way he goes somewhere, and not to look for any no'. activities of the ukrainian delegation there or in statements our own president, even if we

can find them, we can sit there and find them and offer our help to speaker johnson, and if we still agree that this is not a reason but an excuse, that it's just that trump's election campaign is built on the idea that he the president of peace, and haris will be the president of war, and he said this at a campaign rally in north carolina, and... he said this before the meeting with zelenskyi, and he said this during the meeting with zelenskyi, and he said this after meeting with zelenskyi, so what zelenskyi can do to change this, this pre-election position of his, but nothing, that is, the problem, that is, the problem in essence, well , again, in my opinion, not even in them, but the problem in him, that is, in trump, in essence, it was trump who made all this mess, and by the way, trump basically said something that, in principle, does not fit on his head, and that is... far from any diplomatic etiquette, even despite the fact that it is there, relatively speaking,

something could offend, but what are the phrases worth, there is no ukraine there, it is almost there destroyed, millions of people died in ukraine, destroyed, destroyed civilization, destroyed cities, in fact he said that there is no such country, well, i’m sorry, it was just a stream of lies, a stream of fakes and... and these things are far away in general from any protocol, even, well, i am silent about diplomatic protocol, from any even the adequacy of running a political campaign, why, well, if trump knows that the people to whom he appeals, they want to see such a picture of peace in ukraine and such a picture of the world in which they are, then he paints such a picture for them. by and large , what trump said. it's just the same story as those haitians who eat pets, remember? yes. he

saw it on tv. pope must, must understand. trump does not invent anything from himself. he saw something, someone told him something, he talked to someone. in general, this is how trump builds his information campaign and his vision of the world from conversations with some people he trusts. this is what trump tells, it means that there are some close to him people. who tell him all this, he perceives the information in this way, you will understand, trump is not a person who sits day and night with the new york post or the new york times, and studies some serious news, reads some official memos, like you remember, when he became the president of the united states, he even refused the reports of the intelligence services of the united states and said that he does not need all these documents, he is not interested in it, he works differently, he cleans up some people whom he trusts, the quality of these people is already on his conscience donald trump, these people can live either in

their own world, or be guided by some narratives that are beneficial to those with whom they themselves cooperate, and they put all this delusion in his head and he then broadcasts it, this is reality, and by the way, it is necessary to clearly understand that when he becomes the president of the united states, if he does, this will be what will determine his policy, well, i am not talking about anything else, you see that zelensky met with him, but can we say that he convinced him of something? trump kept repeating in the presence zelenskyi, that he is on good terms with zelenskyi, and he is on good terms with putin, that putin wants to stop the war, and that this is a wonderful vision, and that this is the way to act, and it is necessary to understand that if trump becomes the president of the united states, then he will clearly tell zelensky that he is on good terms with putin, and if zelensky wants something in the world, then he should talk to putin and with him, just like with friends, well, if they're on good terms and that's all. zelensky's phrase that putin killed many people and destroyed them, namely trump do not scare away somehow? trump says that

ukraine is destroyed, right? that millions of people died in ukraine, that children are fighting in ukraine, that this is a terrible situation that has never happened, right? but at the same time, he considers it absolutely normal in this situation, from a political and moral point of view, to be on good terms with the person who did all this, well, according to his own. destroyed the whole country with statements, killed millions of people, even if it is a lie, but we are talking about now quoting trump himself, fighting with children and elders and he is donald trump on good terms with this person. and why? the question arises, what kind of friends do you have, that is a good question. why this person, who committed such crimes according to your own version, should not be your friend, why you are on good terms with him, well, i don't know, this also raises questions for me. but

if we are talking about the fact that trump changed his mind after all, that is, trump, in fact, at first ... as they say, threw mike johnson to the forefront of this election campaign, yes, that is, mike johnson did not accept the ambulance himself such a decision, most likely that this is a decision to write this letter in a very aggressive, non-diplomatic way, regarding markarova, regarding ukraine's actual support there, zelenskyi's alleged democrats, yes, this is the same in essence, most likely he was the accomplice of this trump, this is the first. trump or trump's team, that, that, or his team, or that entourage that trump has. and then trump changes his point of view, still meets with zelensky, here, his technologists or his entourage suggested to trump that it is still better to meet and to demonstrate that he is such a president, supposedly the future of peace, or is it just that trump has

a different point of view every day, in principle, on something, because very often. and i honestly don't think so, you know, we, we just very often observed that trump says one thing on monday, another on tuesday, a third on thursday, a fourth on sunday, well, look, i don't have any exact understanding at all , whether a meeting between zelenskyi and trump at all was agreed upon at the time of zelenskyi’s arrival in the united states, you and i also have remember that on the ukrainian side, we have a team that believes that it can agree on everything and inform about it in advance, because it cannot but meet with zelensky, right? here we live in the same situation as there, and let's imagine that they were preparing this meeting, they had no confirmation, but here, in the background of the preparation of this meeting, that they asked for a meeting, a trip to this factory takes place, and trump is just starting to get angry, why do you want to meet with me here, and

you are not stabbing me in the back, ah, i will show you and begins... to state all this, it may not be the cancellation of the meeting, mr. andriy, it may not be the confirmation of the meeting, which was not agreed upon, but what happens next? then it is necessary to show strength, but also nobility, respect for the one who recognized himself as defeated. trump does not just meet with zelenskyi, he publishes in his social networks a letter from zelenskyi, who asks him... about a meeting, remember, this is the letter that was sent by one of the ukrainian diplomats on behalf of zelenskyi to the name trump, dear donald, us we need to meet, talk, i really respect, all that, and it’s as if zelensky is apologizing, admitting how great trump is, well, well, trump is ready to meet with him then after this letter, but i want to remind you that other

heads of state have no problems with there were no meetings with trump, no one presented them with any... claims, no one demanded letters from them, no one published this official correspondence on social networks, but the desire to humiliate them in this way was only in relation to zelenskyi, to show that he has me there to respect and understand how great i am, and how great i am, and how great he is not, with the prime minister of great britain kerr starmer, this was not the case, his team arranged a meeting, they agreed to have dinner with the president of the united arab ... the emirates, as you understand, was not like that either, he met with trump, it was a cordial meeting, trump did not ask him any questions in one word, although all these people, they also met with biden, and with garis, and trump perfectly understands that ideologically, the prime minister of great britain much closer to kamela harris than to him, but this did not prevent anything, trump in

great britain supports completely different political forces, supports nigel farage. supported the most, i would say, inclined to leave the european union, the leaders of conservatives, nothing, calmly eats dinner with kir starmen, that is, he needed not just to meet with zelensky, but to show zelensky's dependence on him before this meeting and that he can even say something bad about zelenskyi, call him a salesman, say what zelenskyi is spreading dirty things about him, publicly, and zelenskyi will still ask for a meeting. will not go anywhere, and this is also his, this is his behavior in relation to zelenskyi to ukraine, who should simply give himself an account of the fact that this is how he perceives it, that for him ukraine is such a ... subject or about object that he can simply publicly despise and agree on ukraine, he can with putin, he

actually also talked about this during his election campaign, that he is with putin come to an agreement, and he is on good terms with him, so he will come to an agreement with him, well, as they say , we have what we have, one more thing is very interesting, in fact, you and i have already started talking about the plan. i can tell you that at first it was very brilliantly announced for a month in a row in the ukrainian information space , they talked about it, foreign media wrote about it, zelenskyi and ukrainian experts spoke about it personally, ukrainian politicians there, yes, but you really rightly and absolutely remarked, that the last two days, in fact zelensky's stay in the united states of america, at least today, is already about the victory plan. for some reason, all these people either prefer not to mention it, or at least try to smooth over the mention of it, and at the same time , a number of western, american

publications in particular say, say that the united states was not satisfied, or the united states of america was not satisfied this victory plan, that the white house was also quite skeptical about this victory plan, in particular the wall street journal writes about it. and here you are really about it was mentioned, what was the point of going with this plan of victory then, if you and i were talking, and in principle, before that , information appeared in the foreign press that, well, we apologize, but all these points, they are practically unrealistic to implement, at least now, and here we are observing that we really have to put this whole issue to rest, as they say, put the brakes on and... now, probably, try to talk about it much less, here is the question, what is all this for had to do, and the second question,

after all, is whether the ukrainian government will continue in your opinion, is going to mention, force this question, or will we forget about it, throw it into such an informational trash can, that's all these things, and talk about something next, well, of course, this is the plan. these measures, which, it seems to me, are designed not so much for western partners as for ukrainian society, so that ukrainian society understands a simple thing there, and this, by the way, is dangerously enough, zelensky will go to the united states, offer a plan, the plan is calculated even before the end of president biden's term of office, they will quickly give us everything we need, they cannot help but give us. and the war will end in a few months, and how else? well, again, when they said that this is a plan, this is a plan for the current administration, it’s just that zelensky wants

to introduce trump, trump and garis to him, it looked very strange to me, incredibly strange, but to the people, here you are, if you you see, for people who are used to perceiving the government's information measures as a political reality, it does not look strange, and you can see for real what many people say, listen, well, in a month... another war it will end, why buy these inverters there for houses, why why why send the child to school somewhere in places of temporary stay, when in a month we will move anyway, the war will be over, have you not seen or encountered such situations? well, that's actually, mr. vitaly, and it's the biggest problem that we essentially mislead people in this way, that is, that's right, we are already... the situation turns out that then we fool people in something, whether they

count on something or not count on something, do not plan their life correctly, and then some more are more disappointed, and you and i talked about it there and last time and the time before last, that people should understand how to build their lives there at least for three months, six months. a year, two years, if they don't do this, they will then face the further disappointment of being told every month, listen, that's it, in a month the war will be over, in two, three, six months, well, it won't be positive, probably influence there on the same energy efficiency, on education that you mentioned, on their planning, sorry, family life, employment. their place of residence and so on and the like, such examples can be very numerous, mr. andriy, the most important thing is, because if i think that the war will end in two months,

the question arises... why should i go to the armed forces now, oh , and to risk my life in the last two months, when it is still clear that everything is going to the finalization, well, it is, but you know, this is from our point of view, and you can apply another point of view, as you understand, which will be to be that people have a short memory, especially during such critical events, and every time they go from... belief from a new belief to a new belief at the end of the war, now the victory plan has not worked, and they have already forgotten about him, as you rightly say, we still remember him, he is almost absent in the information space. zelensky returned from the united states, talked with biden there, talked with garis, talked with trump, everyone talked with him, and this is true, this is reality, he met with the current president, with candidates for the post of president of the united states, which should have been the political content of this visit, not a

victory plan. it all happened exactly what was supposed to happen, because the plan for 40 days before the presidential election of the united states , none of them will work, none, but now there will be other important events, ramstein, the summit of the four, the peace summit, for example, yes, now you can prepare a peace summit and talk about the second peace summit, remember, they wanted to hold it before the presidential elections in the united states. this is also serious they said that it should be held before the presidential elections in the united states, i also can’t understand why, and for what, and what’s the point, but they talked about it seriously, absolutely, well, here’s the answer to the question, so it will be a new information plan, and if we will live in this world of information activities of the office of the president of ukraine, and our main idea will not be in...

how to survive during a long-term endless war, how to convince people, convince people every time that it is about to end, so this basically means that we are talking to people as if we were small children, who do not need to plan anything for the future, who just have to live with ka in a fairy tale, and the main thing for this fairy tale is that it did not end, the main thing is not to lead to a situation when they suddenly find out that for this... st. nicholas does not exist. can you imagine? there is no need to bring them to such disappointment. saint nicholas is. he will bring gifts. the war will end in a month, if it ended in november, then it will end in january. well, remember that in 2022 the president during his address, i think, to the citizens first, on the night of december 31 of the 22nd year, on

january 1 of the 23rd. said, well, in the 23rd year, it can't be the same as in the 22nd, i couldn't understand why he says that, which means it can't be, in the 23rd year it can be worse than in the 22nd , and the 24th is worse than the 23rd, this is a war, a long-term war, in some new year it may be worse than the previous one, why should people be set up for this, even on new year's eve, but sometimes i think you you know that the president himself believes in this, that we are talking about some information measures. and the problem may be in the reality in which the president himself is, that it is easier for him to find himself in this reality, that if he gives himself an account of where he really ended up as a result of his actions, as a person, i do not have even as a head of state , as a person , as a result of the fact that he decided to change his career from acting to political, it will be much more difficult for him to fulfill his duties, because he will be asking himself questions all the time, well, how is that?