it can't be anymore, i couldn't understand why he says that, which means it can't be, in the 23rd year it can be worse than in the 22nd and the 24th worse than in the 23rd, it's a war, a long-term war in some new year may be worse than in the previous one, why should people be prepared for this even on new year's eve, but sometimes it seems to me that you know that the president himself believes in this, that we are talking about some information measures, and the problem may to be in the reality in which... the president himself is, that it is easier for him in this reality to find that if he gives himself an account of where he really ended up as a result of his actions, as a person, i have no nose, as the head of the state, that is, as a person, as a result of the fact that he decided to change his career from an actor to a political one , then it will be much more difficult for him to fulfill his duties, because he will constantly ask himself questions, well, how did this happen to me, well, why, should i have understood it? and it seems to me that the president should

be in such a shape that he, as far as he can, as far as he is capable from the point of view effectiveness, so that he protects the state interests of ukraine, because once again you and i have no opportunity to elect a new government, so for as many years as the war will continue, there is an option that this government, even in an imperfect form, because it is against any government of national unity will exist, and that zelensky will have to fulfill his duties as head of state, he cannot for another 5-7 years, i do not know, again, i will not say that the war will continue for 5-7 years , but it can be. we still have to tell people that there are no political prerequisites for the end of this war. if military-technical problems arise, we need to do a lot for this, to stop russia, to survive infrastructural problems, to create a situation in which russia will not be able to economically continue the war. we and the west have to create it, and it is not one year, as you understand, and certainly not one day. so this power must be effective. if we can't, we believe

that resettlement into the world of reality, it hits the psyche not only of citizens as such, but also of the president of ukraine himself, well, what is he like, i would say, a vivid model of an average ukrainian, well, maybe that's why people voted for him, that he is like them, and not like these politicians, whom they did not want to see at the head of the state, then maybe you and i would also be it's more comfortable not to tear the world president out of his own illusions, it's just a question, i don't know, i don't have it. answers to this question, in fact, i also wonder why we constantly find some excuses, at least to talk about what in principle, in theory cannot be, or what will not be in theory, but unfortunately, you see, we are talking about this, by the way, another topic that we never discussed in the security block, but which directly concerns and in particular these visits to the united states of america. it is an opportunity to hit

the enemy's territory deep with long-range missiles or with any missiles there, 300, 400, 500 km , it doesn't matter, but to hit the enemy's territory, at his infrastructure facilities, at his logistics facilities, at military facilities , that is, on everything that should have stopped the russians on the battlefield. two weeks as a minimum. this informational process lasted, again it was red tape, for two weeks we expected that there would be such a permission, but we did not receive this permission even after zelenskyi’s visit, at least officially, and at least we do not have such applications, examples of such applications, yet anyway, why in this case is biden hesitating, hesitating,

the biden administration is hesitating, and accordingly, the united states of america is hesitating to provide such an opportunity to ukraine even now. is it possible that biden is waiting for the presidential election to be held? in i also had a theory that maybe he doesn't want to do it until the conditional day of x, in order not to give, for example, trump himself some trump cards. in hand, yes informational trumps, this may also be the opinion, is it possible that these things will be transferred with such baggage to the new administration, relatively speaking, in your opinion, we have been discussing this for so many days, and there is still no definitive answer, why we have not received permission to strike on the territory of russia, which should at least partially stop the enemy's offensive, pro

which you and i talked about, well, first of all, i really absolutely agree with you that if i were in biden's place, i would not make any sharp decisions. on those issues that are part of the election campaign, if trump says during the election campaign that if they give permission to ukraine to attack russian territory with our missiles, then they will create the conditions for the third world war, and i will save you from the third world war , then you definitely should not make any decisions that will benefit this statement, and by the way, i think that when vladimir putin changes the nuclear doctrine, he is also playing with the american elections here, that is , in fact, he confirms trump's words with his actions: so, at least until november 5, you are absolutely right, you need to get not only from permits, and any actions in this direction. secondly, i am inclined to the opinion that there

will be no public permission for ukraine to bombard the territory of russia with western missiles at all, but russia’s allies do not give russia any permission, we simply find fragments of iranian shaheids or north korean missiles, but no one. gerani does not speak up and says: we allowed them to hit ukraine with our shaheeds, on the contrary, the iranian president says that we never supplied anything, and we even condemn russia's aggression against ukraine, as masoud pezuchkiyan said at the session of the un general assembly. let's talk. and why then should ukraine's western allies make public statements? that is, such a situation can be, and i think that it continues to be discussed. i do not think that if this question is not considered. it would be possible, then the secretary of state antony blinkin and the minister of foreign affairs of great britain, david lemin, would not have come to kyiv, there would not have been this long meeting between starmer and biden, after all, there would not have been this dinner between the starmers and trump. such issues

are usually discussed during such meetings. this is an absolutely obvious thing to me, but, in any case, i assume that the final decision, if it is to be made at all, will be during this summit of the four in germany and during ramstein at the level of the leaders, it will again maybe there to discuss whether this latest escapade of putin will influence the adoption of this decision, i will tell you honestly, it can influence, maybe, as far as i don't know, or whether the number will influence this decision at all. which we have at our disposal, this is also a very good question, what kind of arsenal we can now operate and how much quantity we have, even if it is used on the territory of the russian federation, will change the military-technical course of the war, that is, if formulate this formula correctly, andriy,

how much political risks are worth military-technical effect, if not worth it, then maybe not needed. western leaders tell you, they can come out of this complex of issues, which is undoubtedly the subject of their constant discussions when they meet with each other, but the fact that they do not leave this issue is also obvious to me, well, in particular, the new york times on friday, that is, yesterday, i found, i found that it had just specifically written an article about the fact that the intelligence of the united states. america stated about the risks due to possible strikes of ukraine on the territory of russia, this is about that just now mr. vitaly said that they will also calculate, ah, whether it should be done or not, from the point of view of some kind of expediency, the number of missiles there,

the possibility of impressing the targets with these missiles, why the us intelligence supposedly thinks so, because russia... has already moved some part of its aviation, some of its warehouses or something else, to a more distant territory, accordingly, they believe that in fact the potential risk is greater than the potential benefit, at least there is such information, here and there actually agree or disagree agree, but we're going to... talk about it further, discuss it further, and for now , a little break, and we're back to live on the espresso channel, hang on.

we return to the saturday political club live et. andrii smolii and vitaly portnikov, and from one diplomacy, from one part of the world

, we will move to another, no less important, in fact there are other opinions, and there is another position, or rather not one, the position of a whole number of states, regarding the so-called peace plan, this time we already have a chinese or brazilian one diplomacy, and hungary joins them. and we see that even switzerland, china and brazil are gathering their group of supporters of their plan, and we see that unexpectedly this plan is supported by switzerland, in particular, they said that they also see the possibility of actually participating in such a peaceful initiative, moreover, even we are not surprised by this, but viktor orban, prime minister of hungary. also essentially said that he was willing to join this informal group of china,

brazil, or the global south itself, and that offer in china, they, in particular, onei offers the following formula: first negotiations, or rather, i apologize, first a ceasefire, then negotiations and refraining from sa. that is, such a triad. mr. vitaliy, i have a question for you about this plan: can this plan be considered as which, which, which plays into the hands of putin, and what game china and brazil are playing now against the background, again, of the same elections in the usa , and the same plans that ukraine and our allies represent. well, by the way, this is the answer to the question, how much we have played this game ourselves with a large number

of countries that should support our peace formula, how important are these representative international forums to us, do we not think that someone else can also hold them, because we understand that when on the eve of the first forum of peace, china refused to participate in it, instead, the ministry of foreign affairs of this country organized such a large international tour of its special representative likhoei to the crimea. of the global south, then in this situation it naturally became clear that china has alternative agenda, and when wang yi and brazilian president celsua's chief adviser agreed that this would not only be a chinese plan, but a chinese-brazilian plan, it was already clear that china wanted to give it the bid of at least a major international alternative, and that seems to me understand, volodymyr zelenskyy condemned this from the rostrum of the session of the un general assembly in kyiv. called it non-constructive, this is also, i would say, such a rather unexpected decision for diplomacy

that if you want to build some kind of relationship there with china, you certainly don’t condemn his peace initiatives from the rostrum of the general assembly session, but it is largely zelensky’s style to say from high rostrums what he considers to be true and real, that’s how he works, so here again the question is not about zelenskyi, the question about xizen ping, of course, means what xizen pin wants, he wants to demonstrate once again that there are two... worlds, there is the world of the west, which imposes sanctions, and there is the world of the global south, which can who to save from these sanctions, if it's a good partner of this global south, and the way iran exists and the way russia exists, it demonstrates this history once again, it shows that there is a world in which one group of countries does not maintain ties with the conflicting party is the united states and the european union, which broke off relations with russia. and there is a world in which they try to talk to everyone, and by the way, we ourselves, i would

say, also from our purity and rather childish understanding of reality, give china such an opportunity, because look, vani is gathering this group of friends of peace, yes, on the other on the other hand, he comes to the meeting of the un security council, which was organized, of course, for volodymyr zelensky, so that he could make a clear speech about his formula for peace, about his vision of peace, and he speaks there, despite... the fact that the representative of russia at to the un security council, bendzi called this meeting a theater performance for zelenskyi, and his alevan participated in it, that is, it shows that this is not a performance for zelenskyi, and he is ready to participate in the event. which are held with the participation of zelenskyi, then vani meets with the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine andriy scibigo and, most importantly , the real head of ukrainian diplomacy andriy yermak, because we understand that in our conditions the minister of foreign affairs is not the chief diplomat, our chief diplomat is the head of the president's office, and the minister of foreign affairs is rather a manager of his own ministry, and that too, so if everyone

sees that he is not just talking to sebiga, but to yermak, that is, there is a conversation at the level of the heads of the group... not only the minister of foreign affairs, but the head of the party office of foreign policy, this is approximately the position that yermak actually holds, but if you find an analogue of yermak's position, then it is vaani, the head of the international office of the central committee of the communist party of china. so, it is clear that the ukrainians also want to talk with china, and the russians want to, because at this very session, vani meets with sergey lavrov, they have a friendly meeting, and then who are the friends of peace, the americans or the chinese, of course the chinese, if you... and they talk to both of them and they want to do business with her, which means it is created alternative track and in and here again at this meeting of friends of peace there are already many participants, that is, i am not surprised because there is hungary there, because i would say so, there is polarization, and you really have to be the first to catch this chinese boat , because the next ones may simply not be taken anymore, they will be unnecessary, that's why turkey, that's

switzerland, because... what is there, and what is switzerland doing there? switzerland is a neutral country, if it maintains neutrality, it should be a participant in all formats, this is their foreign policy logic, kazakhstan, pakistan, pakistan, why, because india is not in this format, so pakistan wants to be in good relations with china, it thinks that china should be its main partner of utterances, when india is being approached by the united states, there is pakistan, and yes, and this can be said about every country, but i am convinced ... that china decides to gather a large representative forum of these friends of peace, there will be about as many countries as there were at our summit, because it will be like, let's say like participation in the peace forum was by and large, a show of commitment to the civilized world, to america, to the group of

seven, so this forum of friends of peace will be a show of commitment. to china, and between us, so to speak, we will have a big dilemma, if we avoid this format, call it non-constructive, and russia goes there, then all the diplomatic results of our peace forum will be nullified by china, because almost the whole world will gather without the united states, without canada, without the european union, but all the others, the ones we always wanted so much with incomprehensible ma'. see, they will all go there, and the russians will come there, we will not be there, and everyone, well, who wants peace, ukraine is simply not an independent state, when the americans told it to go, they went to switzerland, now the americans, when it really came close really peace, they haven't gone anywhere, and if we go, as you understand, it will also

be a diplomatic disaster, because we will end up at the same table with the russians, when we didn't invite them... when we were invited along with them , like these two brawlers, which must be measured, this will be a clear equalization of the victim of the aggressor, and of course, this will not happen under the conditions that the ukrainian society is thinking about, this is also, by the way, a big problem that must always be remembered, andriy, whatever - any negotiations and whatever - even if you imagine a cease-fire, it will not end as most of our compatriots think, if there will be any peace terms at all, then they may be difficult for the majority of ukrainians to perceive, and we... too we are not preparing, because our people still live in the situation, what we decide, what kind of peace will be, we are fighting now, and if we decide, then the peace will be as we want, that is one problem, but of course china is playing its own game, and i keep saying that we will not succeed to sit on these two chairs, because these two chairs have ended, that there are two worlds, the world, relatively

speaking, of america, the european union, the world of this group. this is us and the world of the global rooster, the biggest problem is when you fall out of one world, you fall out of both worlds, this is a real problem, it was called that before multi-vector foreign policy, but on the other hand, when there was a multi-directional foreign policy of the kuchva era, we understand that we were simply in the sphere of influence of russia and thus played with a kind of multi-vectority, we had some kind of relationship with the west towards a certain point, at least. economic border, well, now everything, now everything is clear, everything that happens with this situation, that is, either, we will achieve peace with the help of the west, or... we will achieve peace with the help of china, but each time it it will not be the peace that we consider the most comfortable for yourself, and that's all, by the way,

politico published a publication that ukraine allegedly sends some secret letters, well, secret, not secret, not secret anymore, if a politician writes about it, but less so and asks the country not support the peace plan. china sent letters and asked not to support ukraine's peace formulas. ugh. do you remember? yes. and in addition, anthony blinken, secretary of state of the united states of america, at the meeting with vanya, which we also mentioned, stated that china's talks about peace in ukraine disagree with actions, including, in the same place , there was information from blinken that about... 23 machines, which are understood to be used later for the production of weapons, and 90% of microcircuits, microelectronics, that is

, what is used for to produce rockets, rockets, other missiles, the same ones that hit our border, in sumy, in kharkiv, in zaporizhzhia, 90% is actually imported by russia from china, but that's not all. in the current week, information appeared, including in the western zmi, that on on the territory of china, russia allegedly established some kind of joint production of drones, and these drones are either already being delivered or will be delivered to the territory of russia in the future for the war with ukraine. that is, you see, there is already a direct statement from the us secretary of state. there is direct data, how much is supplied, there is parallel information about the fact that china is arming russia, and if indeed

there is information about the joint production of drones there, about the fact that there are some russian facilities, production weapons on the territory to china, this essentially means that china no longer just indirectly supports russia in the war. is not just a so-so, so-so country that sits on two chairs, but in fact is that state that de facto provides russia with lethal weapons, how do you comment on this whole mass of information that we have, as from officials , as well as from mass media? well, i have a counter question, this is what the secretary of state of the united states, i.e., the head of the diplomatic department of a country that no one... has attacked, is talking about, but how is ukraine itself deal with the chinese? so, when the president of ukraine was asked if he knew about the supply of weapons to china, russia, he said that no weapons were supplied and had not

been supplied, and that shizen ping had promised him this. ugh. that is, president zelenskyi is still proud of his phone conversation with sidzempin as the highest diplomatic achievement, because we in dolka's power circles have the illusion that sooner or later china will decide to reconcile us with russia on... on good terms, we will come to an agreement with him , he will give us money, in all these illusions, these people continue to live, that's when dmytro kuleba met with dignitaries in guangzhou, and now, when andriy sivbiga and andriy yarmak met with dignitaries in new york, the ukrainian side generally publicly raised questions about the supply of at least doubled technologies by china, but we are behaving with the chinese, as people who very much want to please comrade vanya, never say no to him... nothing that will be unpleasant to him, here is the important moment of this unpleasantness, the first such, one of the first to come, it is a criticism of china from the side the president of ukraine at the session of the general

assembly of the united nations, not china, but the chinese plan, exclusively the chinese plan, but no one criticizes the chinese policy, this is what blinkin says, zelensky should say, tsybiga, vani should say, it should be in the message of the press service of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine. that the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine asked the minister of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china about supplying russia with technologies that can be used in the war against ukraine and emphasized that no peacemaking efforts by china can be considered fruitful in the event that china helps with its industrial role in continuing the work of the military-industrial complex of the russian federation. it all sounds, does not sound. we are now from china. we behave the way we behaved with russia at one time. god forbid, in meetings with russian officials, say something that they will not like. after

2019, when it's clear we can't say anything they won't like, at least not to mention their surnames, just as the president of ukraine did not mention putin's surname in a negative context or in any context before, since 2019, so now he does not mention sydzenpin's surname, and it would seem, well, we can already see that such a policy has undergone an absolute fiasco, once, we continue it again, well, what can i do, i can't remake... the brains of the people who make decisions, so this is a reality, this reality, by the way, applies to many things in terms of approaches to china, if you remember, i have been explaining since 2022 that if you want to have any serious relations with china at all, you should not behave with it as if you are a potential colony of china, because you are only whetting its appetite, as you previously whetted the appetite of the russians, you can do business with china only when you pursue a policy of strong partnerships, if so...

why don't we open up in ourselves, i said in 2022, at least a representation of this taipei economic commission, which works in every better capital of the civilized country in the world, which is in warsaw, which is in moscow, many decades, and nothing china and russia, as you can see, are not quarreling on this issue, because russia has shown that it can maintain economic relations with taiwan, and let china not bypass it, it recognizes the one-china policy, but economic relations, you will not dictate to us here, because we are russia. you dictate to us, and we behave like a country that can be dictated to, we keep our deputies from traveling to taiwan all the time, we prevented the trip of the head of the international affairs committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, when it was almost announced unofficial visit, this is despite the fact that taiwan absolutely supports ukraine, and taiwan can be a source of technology supply for ukraine, and taiwan is a country with a very influential

lobby, let's say, among those'. americans, americans, affection, which we are so looking for, and taiwan perfectly understands that if russia solves the issue of ukraine's statehood, then taiwan will be next, it does not completely bypass us, only at some moments when zelensky is already seriously offended by these dynpings, the question arises, not to go somebody to taiwan, then this china great china illusion comes up again and it all fades away, and my point was that if you have a... level of relationship with taiwan, you can manage that level, it's a managed relationship conflict with chinese partners, let's say when mr. sibiga tells comrade vaani, you know, here we have the speaker of the verkhovna rada going to taiwan with a trip, but if you don't hold this summit of your friends of peace, the vice-speaker will go, not the speaker ,

then comrade wang. seriously think about who should he invite to such meetings, so as not to get a new defeat in his one-china policy, which for china is 100 times more important than 10 ukraines, and whether this whole diplomatic game is even worth such a loss in the asian-texas basin , and if we talk to china all the time from the point of view of what we should do to please them, then i will tell you what to do to please china. establish friendly, close relations with the russian federation, agree with the president of the russian federation vladimir putin on on his terms, give him as much territory as he wants, announce his neutrality, demilitarization, denazification, then you know everything and you will have friendly relations with china, capitulate, in short, if you do not want to capitulate, you will not have friendly relations with china, as long as you didn't meet wang yidzenping, didn't look at them with dreamy eyes, didn't dream about some of your business interests in china, it won't matter.

get this stupidity out of your head, like all the previous stupidities that you had in your head before the fiasco 24 february 2022, that's what needs to be done, and we can't figure it out, by the way, because we don't judge february 24, 2022 as a fiasco, because if we told ourselves that the course that was chosen in 2019 the year that led to volodymyr zelenskyi's victory in the elections ended in a fiasco, not the president himself, this issue was not addressed. even, and the supporters of this course, this is such a national fiasco, we thought that we could come to an agreement with putin, we tried to fight with him, he was preparing for us at that time to attack, if we evaluated it as a national fiasco, then we could correctly build our policy towards china, and if we think all the time that it just happened, because it happened, we are victims, we are useless here .