linguistic ones, that is, the problem is that the world still looks at russia as a full-fledged subject, ukraine is very often looked at as a subject, but to some extent an object, like a country that is still somewhere there is in russia's sphere of influence, i really, really don't like that this position... it still remains valid, and i don't like the fact that the world is still not ready to completely abolish russian, russian culture, russian in principle vision of our world , russian centers, which are all over the world, they are, the problem here is something else, the problem is that we did not offer the ukrainian point of view to the world, by the way, i... just now

while i was talking about this, i mentioned a small article written by oleksiy holobutsky, a political scientist, here he is said that, i will quote, the essence of that remained russia-centric, because we did not manage to transfer the west to ukrainian-centricity, does it want equidistant distancing from russia and the rest, because our... elites for decades, instead of implementing the ukrainian agenda in the cultural, informational, economic, and political levels, they simply considered ukraine a feeding territory and acted accordingly. and here in fact, when i was driving in front of our ether and read it, it is straight to the point, it is straight to the point, that on one side there is a world that has not canceled the russian one, and on the other side... there is

ukraine, the state, the government , the authorities, i would say, the various authorities that were in ukraine, which also did not cancel the russian one in ukraine, and which also, we are talking about the present, did not advance an adequate, full-fledged, pro-ukrainian agenda to the world community when i talked about the fact that, well, i'm sorry, foreign language freedom, maybe to some extent it is necessary, but where, for example, our english-language broadcasting, where is our spanish, spanish-language broadcasting, there, yes, where we will present our position, where are our full-fledged cultural centers in the world, in every country, in every big city, i'm sorry, christina, there are russian centers in every one. city, but when i was abroad,

wherever i went, there were russian cultural centers everywhere, russians had somewhere to go go, everywhere russian concerts, russian, russian ballet, russian events there, they influenced their people abroad, and they influenced the opinions of the population abroad. and even in such powerful democracies as, for example, great britain, in london, how many russian , here are cultural, cultural, informational, political centers in london, which demonstrate to the british that this is russian culture and... not

you can cancel, there is putin, what theory do they have now, there is, there is putin, well, putin, well, well, putin is not russia, but there is a great russia with a great history, only that it is a history of bloody bloody slaughter, that it is a history of enslavement, destruction of peoples, it is also a history of the fusion of a country on a foreign mountain and, in principle, on on everything foreign, on foreign history, on foreign artists, on foreign historians, foreign... er thinkers, on foreign scientists, no one wants to talk about this, and we and precisely as a state, my opinion, from the very at the beginning of 1991, we did not build this policy, and we are not building it even now, and i will say the last thing in fact, why us, maybe you, why me, why maybe our viewers, well, what they tell us is so affected. we won't

show this plan in full, and it touched, because we mention the istanbul possible istanbul agreements, but no one told us about what is there, what the plans are, and then after six months, a year, two, even today with each every month new details emerge about what a disaster it would be if ukraine, let's say, agreed to the istanbul agreements, because there was everything there, there was also about our army, there was also about our language, there was also about denazification, there was in fact everything that russia demanded, so of course... there is a certain mistrust, so again once again, we do not see adequate, normal communication with society, when they prove to us what the victory plan is before it is presented, even if there is no need to show something, but

it is necessary to talk with us, what is in this plan the wins are on points, completely on points after he was presented even after the entire press is already talking about him. of the world, i think that this is key, the key is actually mistrust after we received a very negative and painful lesson from these istanbul negotiations, which in fact the absolute majority of our society, the absolute majority of the mass media, the absolute majority of people in general did not know and found out about these, well, in my opinion, simply terrible points that were even discussed. after many, many, many months, regarding the article in the economist so programmatic, very, well, let's say so, with aplomb of realism, the article, the material that was rolled out, the main thing, the main message there, both

ukraine and the allies should be more realistic, and in the end understand what it is about when it speaks... about victory, the economist in principle, at this moment, in my opinion, quite aptly notes that our allies, and we, and ours, even citizens of our society within the country, have different interpretations of what victory is, you if you ask andria from one person on the street, they will tell you that there is a ceasefire, the return of all our soldiers home, all alive, missiles on... in the best case, the missiles do not fly overhead, someone will say: the end of the war is an exit exclusively to the borders there in 1991, already now there will be those who will say, so what these are the borders of 1991, let's talk about kurshchyna, and then also

about kubay, well, yes, of course i 'm hyperbolizing a little, but less so, within the ukrainian society itself , victory in... this war is understood in different ways, for some this war for 3 years, for someone the 11th year, for someone existential, someone who is familiar with history, understands that this is no longer a war of the first century, but no no, that is, not one century continues, and it also depends on how people see a way out of this extremely difficult, almost stalemate, to be honest , situation, so somehow a ... to accuse the zeeconomist now that they inappropriately lead us and our allies to the point where we decide what will be the victory, intermediate or final, i don't know how, thank you for that, here they formulated a very aptly, on the other hand, it applies to this

article, and you know, andriy, that i'm crazy it just cut through the heart, soul and brain, so this is basically a reminder. the economist, that vladimir putin and the russian federation are not interested in our territory, they are interested in preventing ukraine from becoming a prosperous european democratic state. that is, putin is not interested in our territories. well, then i have a question, does the economist know anything about putin's desire to restore the soviet union in all parameters, including territorial ones, which he called its collapse back in the early 2000s. not his greatest personal tragedy life, which, in principle, already now, occupying almost the entire luhansk region, a huge part of donetsk region, still seems to be a larger part than donetsk, zaporizhia region, and kherson region, i am already silent about the long-

occupied crimea, it is not, this one is not, it does not have goals, he is not interested in ukrainian territories, he is not interested. to expel ukrainians from these territories, and then to populate this semi-criminogenic russian mentality, well, such assessments, as they say, are of course to him. it is not interesting to fight with the ukrainian language, culture, identity, faith in the territories, which he occupies, he is certainly not interested in stealing from these territories everything that they can give, first, something comes to mind, this is, for example, ukrainian grain, which has already been exported, well, i don’t know, let the specialists say how much, but it is colossal , colossal loads and quantities, when i say that putin is not interested in this... i am of course, well, using sarcasm, because he

does all this, which means that he is interested in it, which means that ukraine is in everyone, in absolutely every sense, that's what he needs, ugh, ugh, and he, well, probably, here like the one who god, my god, immortal, surely here and, as they say, his needle is hiding in the egg that is ukraine, here is his death, but that’s all... it’s all pathetic, i’m not inclined to believe that putin is not are interested in our territories, putin is interested in absolutely all of ukraine, which must be successfully reintegrated into the russian federation, and already now the tentacles of the russian world are reaching out and trying to once again fill the minds of average , ordinary ukrainians, those who are interested and those who are not . war, is and is not interested in political realities in ukraine and the world, now everyone, drag everyone together into

the russian world, whoever will be particularly disagreeable, he can rest in the vykyvniatsky forest, for example, history has already called such precedents, so i’m bringing it up little by little, well, to our next topic, andriy, and i said briefly , that russia is never interested in the plans that are being prepared for... calming down the war, other countries, in the plans that are being prepared, in particular ukraine, she has everything and so well in this russian federation, which is advancing as it needs to, on the other hand side, somewhere, the guy will slip through, somehow conditionally, lavrov, yes, who will definitely remind us that we must return to the very first demands of the russians, that is, the protection of the russian-speaking population, this is actually... yes, by the way, what about, about that, what, about that, i suggest listening to the synchro ,

what did mr. lavrov say, yes, and what did he say, let me say it again now, lavrov is the foreign minister of the occupying power, and in particular he called on the president, not the president, well, the president, but not the president, the current candidate for the presidency of the united states of america, president at 16-2 kyiv st laws on ukrainization and the actual ban of the russian orthodox church, that is, we are talking about the law on language and we are talking about the ban of the russian church, and only in fact from lavrov's point of view, this will be the first step in order to talk about something in general, what cynicism, let's listen. it's not about the territories, as zelensky is asking, give us the territories within the borders

of 1991. we are not talking about territories, we are talking about people who lived for centuries, developed these lands, built factories, built roads, ships , etc. here are the real reasons: if mr if trump succeeds in repealing these laws we are talking about, it will already be a step forward. it's easy to do, just take it and vote. this is the main confirmation that russia needs all of ukraine, and that in fact russia is implementing a scenario of essentially destroying all of ukraine through the prism of the occupation of territories, that is, it is a completely hybrid, complex approach, and when someone says that we apologize , but it's either war or not. territory, or the war, someone says, not for ukraine, but only for the territory, then

this is absolutely not the case, and when , well, let's say, the foreign press says so, it once again emphasizes my thesis that they do not fully understand the context, or do not want to understand it, or, unfortunately, are still within the framework here is the russian context of the vision of the war in ukraine, the war in ukraine continues. because putin needs two things: the first thing is the occupation of ukrainian territories, but it is possible for putin. thing, well, so secondary, and the first thing is the destruction and eventually the occupation of the whole of ukraine, and the destruction and the occupation of all of ukraine, it can pass through the prism of absolutely different things. let's remember even historically, how russia carried out the occupation, in fact of ukraine, whether ukraine

was not called ukraine then, but the hetman state. yes, the cossack state, first of all, what did it do? the ems decrees, the destruction of the ukrainian language, the banning of ukrainian books, the banning of ukrainian education, the banning of everything ukrainian, and in the end, as they say, the solution to the ukrainian question, putin is proposing the same thing today, it’s just another and a very, regular and very interesting reminder, an important reminder to those who say in ukraine that these are unimportant things, that these things are not at the time, that there is the issue of banning the church, the issue of language, the issue of monuments, the issue of renaming streets, the issue of historical justice, that all this is unimportant in ukraine today, lavrov together with putin

are once again reminding today that for them this is the number one issue, that for them it is a priority. number one is the destruction of everything ukrainian, and then, accordingly, the occupation of ukraine. what does he want? putin? putin wants to secure for himself those territories that he occupied today, well, not putin, russia. and to leave ukraine in the so -called gray zone, where it will not join nato, where it will not join the european union, where it will have a limited army. where it will have the russian language everywhere, where it will have the russian church and russian narratives, that is, russia is important, creeping, gradual, if they cannot capture in general, they will carry out a creeping, gradual occupation of our country, ugh, and therefore, of course, therefore absolutely

it is logical that lavrov and putin and russia in general state these things. for them, they are of primary importance, and that is why when we say that in fact this is a war for the whole of ukraine, and not only for separate territories, this is an absolute and direct confirmation of what putin wants, putin wants a solution to the ukrainian issue. first ukraine, first the russian federation occupies... minds, only then occupies the territory where these minds live, it has always been so, and this, this is a reasonable approach, to be honest, a pragmatic approach, and if i had the goals that the russian federation has , i did it in the same way, people who are used to

certain things, it is difficult to give up these habits, they are forced to give up ... these habits, well, except for crazy stress, fear, adrenaline release and a sense of danger, this is what ukrainians, russians, and ukrainians were guided by , at one time russians who switched over consciously or unconsciously, in the vast majority consciously and they tried to speak ukrainian after the first rockets on february 24, 2022, i encountered quite a few this week. an interesting phenomenon, why a phenomenon, because it is real phenomenon, i follow it in many planes, we already talked about it with you, andriy, when we talked, for example, about the ukrainian instablogosphere, let's say, and to the extent that the narratives that they start to launch at the same time fit into one kind of canvas, so these narratives about the fact that

ukrainians, ukrainian-speakers very often pressure russians. komovnih, and sometimes, because of this, i want to return to russian. this is roughly what it looks like. it comes from above. and already now i see that similar trends are gaining such you know, already conscious, clear images, among, among ordinary people, people who are engaged in completely different things in their lives, and we return to the topic. unfortunately, we return to the topic of what is the difference, what is the difference, in what language, it is extremely dangerous, and when you start explaining to people that we have already been there and that is enough. jump on the same rake over and over again, people go into aggression, into misunderstanding, absolutely, absolutely, presenting everything in

the opposite light, they say that those ukrainians who speak are aggressive in ukrainian and demand this, at least from the public environment, so as not to win any victory. well, i probably won’t be original if i say that raising ukrainian-speaking children in ukraine now, at least in the capital, is a daily job, because russian content is everywhere, on the internet, if we talk about it, the russian language is everywhere, the majority of children, at least my child's school really speaks russian, although... the educational process is already excellently conducted in the beautiful ukrainian language, and here all the specialists, absolutely everyone the teachers are definitely great, and it's really

cool, by the way, khrystyna, i'm sorry to interrupt you, because actually i'm going to get to what you're saying, we have one more piece of information and a very important piece of information, but before that i such, if i were to make an introduction, and it consists in... that in my opinion, again, i have expressed it here many times, the ukrainian state, at least in recent years, has done very little to displace the russian from ukraine, in order to displace russian narratives, russian, russian music, the russian language, if so, at least from the public space we speak, and when we talk about... this is what we see some misunderstanding of the authorities there, misunderstanding of the state, that it should be done here and now, that it is necessary to ban russian music

at least on legal sites, that at least russian content must be regulated on the territory of ukraine, and by the way, when people's deputies register the relevant draft laws, in particular, we will mention there in march, back in march this year, the people's deputy... mykola knyazhytskyi registered a bill that provides for the regulation of social networks, in particular telegram, with regard to the same content that is produced there, it is very often completely pro-russian content that the ukrainian state simply cannot block or does not want to block, but this content is, similarly to music, similarly in relation to other social networks, similarly there is a huge question, in relation to, for example, the publication of... various russian articles there, russian sites and so on and so on, we somehow have to communicate about this, well, if we approach it, then

as well, for example, a draft law is still being sabotaged in the verkhovna rada, which concerns the administration of fines for russian music, by the way, also natalia pipa's draft law, but today people's deputy natalia pipa also initiated a very interesting, in my opinion, important law. on a project that concerns the mandatory use of the ukrainian language exclusively on the territory of schools, in particular during breaks by teachers and students, and this is why it is important, because very often in our schools, even teachers speak russian there during breaks, everything is there lesson formally 45 the minutes are over, goodbye and please, in russian, here pipa writes in particular, let's see now, obvious reasons: which have rather unpleasant consequences: pressure on ukrainian-speaking children, conflicts over language and bullying, and there are more pragmatic reasons: children who do not know the ukrainian language already in

the first grade, have difficulties with learning at school, fall behind in reading, absorb the material worse, in particular according to the data of the monitoring of 23-24 years of age, the state service of the quality of education and the authorized protection of the state language during lessons and social breaks. among themselves , only 41% of children speak exclusively ukrainian, this is where the real disaster and where there is a real problem, this is where there is absolute under-working and misunderstanding by the state, why this is not initiated by all these draft laws, the relevant ministry, i have an open question, why the ministry of culture and now strategic communications also does not work effectively in this direction, i have huge questions, why is it blocking... this issue of the draft law on administrative fines, i have a huge question. moreover, i sure, and i've already talked to people about, for

example, this is the law. the project, which today is not yet registered, but will be registered, that there is also huge opposition and misunderstanding even of the specialized committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, why is this necessary? and last but not least, we see that people's deputies who are famous for their pro-russian narratives, in particular maksym buzhanskyi, wrote a whole series of posts about this today, that's the kind of thing, unfortunately, we have... a minute to the end, khrystyna, if you want to say a few words about that's all, and we will, i want to say a few words: don't be godly, we support healthy, cool initiatives that have matured a long time ago, and please support people who speak ukrainian, no matter how it sounds, but they still need support in our country, insist that they do not abandon

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