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glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, on espresso tv channel, studio zahid program, we will analyze the most important events of this week, there are a lot of them, first of all, of course, we will talk about the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to the united states of america and his meetings with representatives of the american not only american at the same time, extremely alarming, dangerous signals are coming from the kremlin. in russia, the nuclear doctrine was changed, in particular, by lowering the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons. we will talk about this and other things with the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat roman bezsmertny. now roman bezsmertny, an iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, will work on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, roman petrovych, glad to see you. glory to the heroes. good afternoon, mr. antin. i would like you right away. to ask what in your opinion

has happened now and where we are in the end arrived at the so-called dry balance, yes, because in parallel with the visit of president zelensky to the united states, the kremlin immediately threw out a change in its nuclear strategic doctrine, we understand why the kremlin actually did it, yes, because there was a question about increasing american aid and about certain permits, but you need a word, topic or. another, let's say, nuclear blackmail, this is a matter of absolutely informational order, and i am here calling on those who want to deeply understand the basics of russia's nuclear policy in the field of nuclear deterrence, which were adopted in 2020, there , please pay attention to the 19th paragraph of this document, there are four conditions of application.

there are four nuclear weapons, so the lower condition says that nuclear weapons can be used if russia is attacked by a non-nuclear state, but at the same time there is a threat of liquidation of russian statehood, so an insert is added to this clause, which sounds like this: or this state independently carries out an attack, or with the help of a nuclear power. that is, this matter is like this, liquid soap or solid soap, well, in principle, it does not change the essence of the problem, moreover, experts and broadcasters will tell you that it even narrows, because now we are not just talking about a nuclear-free state, we are talking about a state supported by a nuclear state, but the point here is not what is written in documents, this is a clear information throw. to washington, and here is this piece

of information, on the one hand, the position of ukraine and the request for the provision of high-precision and long-range weapons, and on the other hand, the change in the nuclear doctrine, and this is a kind of information seesaw, i would immediately put it aside, because it just a bluff, and a long, long time ago , everyone perfectly understood that the document... in question is a kind of doctrinal thing, and in this case, when making changes to this clause or this insertion in the clause, it absolutely does not change the legal basis of the application of a nuclear state, therefore , let's put this package aside, moreover , it is also interesting that a lot has been said on this topic, but the final version has not been made public like this. yes, yes, and here i would like

to agree with you, well done, roman petrovich, so we understand that what putin voiced, may differ from what will be written, yes, and it may be, as they say. classics are two big differences, of course, so it is still too early to talk about something here, although i want to point out to you once again that this is a doctrinal thing, and to tie a doctrinal thing into material legislation, well, it is a little exaggeration of the situation, now, as regards the events in the united states of america, because in this situation i would, let's say, allow myself to combine several things, and you will already tell me on what. pay attention, and yes, the first is the un general assembly and the debate high-level, this is the main thing that is happening in the united states of america, because it contains, including russian aggression in ukraine, including a lot, a lot of well-known, important things that determine the fate

of the world, for ukraine, this is the first thing , the second is the meeting of the big seven, because it is held almost constantly. and it is going on, then it is interrupted, because it is necessary to make some decisions, current decisions, this is, from my point of view, the second most important thing that is happening now in new york, although it is not formally is made public, as from the gathering of a large haystack. the third thing is, of course, the visit of the ukrainian delegation and its participation in all these processes, and especially, it is a dialogue with washington on issues related to what is called in ukraine the victory plan, in the united states of america, thanks to linda thomas greenfield, and the representative at the un, this has already been called a strategy and a plan for victory, because then

at the briefing, and on september 17, the ambassador of the united states of america said that we got acquainted with the strategy and plan. they deserve our support too we are focusing our work with the leaders of the heads of state so that they express their opinion and support the proposals of ukraine, and this position was then picked up by the spokesman of the state department , matthew miller, pointing out that the united states had familiarized itself with the documents and pointed out that and strategy and plan deserve. for attention, he supports the position of the representative of the united states at the organization of the united nations. victory plan for roman petrovich, yes. i think this is the starting point for our analysis. we understand that this is an extremely ambitious application side of ukraine. we will hope that

the united states will adhere to all points of this plan. but, as the classics said, option b is also possible. well, taking into account the fact that some moment. may be uncovered by the united states, we want to believe that everything will go smoothly, but we understand that real politics, unfortunately, sometimes prompts very unpleasant decisions. and in this situation , the most interesting thing is that neither the official discussion of this document in the united states of america is already underway, nor the writing of it in kyiv so and did not end with the fact that at least... some conceptual drafts of this document would be seen in ukraine or made public, what do analysts use today? by the fact that they take

parts of this document from the interview of president zelensky or from the american or european press and, as it is already named, grouped it into five sections, the first section is about current security issues and... they relate to the problems of pro, air defense systems and the need for existing weapons in order to protect ukraine from without constant, continuous attacks from russia. the second part is the geopolitical, geopolitical place of ukraine, that is, these issues are related to joining nato, the european union, the security model of the european union, continental, global. the security model and so on, and the role in this structure, in these structures of ukraine. the third part is the current support for the operations of the armed forces of ukraine, where we are talking about what is being done today, in the tactical steps of the armed forces

of ukraine in donbas, in kurdistan, the issue of border security from the north, and so on. the fourth thing is the questions which. connected with economic aid, and this is already a post after the victory, and the fifth thing that is most discussed, and it is resonant now, it was. the actual issue of permission to use certain long-range types of weapons that exist today, it sounds like the removal of restrictions that exist, and that applies here, as well as the supply of long-range high-precision weapons, well, i would say so, this is a distance plus 200 km and everything that follows it there , and up to 500, 600 and so on, as you can see. from the dialogues that they also had continue, the main mechanism

for reaching agreements in this regard is the mechanism of the big seven, and here is what has been resolved to date, what has been made public, the first is the completion of the dialogue of the seven on the frozen assets of the russian federation and business entities, here the decision is already obviously. on the way out, which means that the numbers that were announced in the spring of this year, 50 + 50, they will most likely be implemented by the nearest decisions of the big seven, official, because it is already clear from the conversations, from what is written by both the european and the american press, there is a positive solution here. next, yesterday's adoption of the budget for the end of the current year in the united states. america, you have to give due credit to the administration and biden, they have already been signed, it opens the way

and actually makes it possible to draw up six, more than 6 billion, which remained from the 6-1 billion fund voted by the congress, that is, there will be no problems here, the plans in this regard are drawn up, and i hope that there will be no more obstacles here. now, as for the announced aid of eight billion, what is it about, because it is from me point of view today is not clearly defined, part says that these are funds that will be used from the frozen assets of the russian federation, part says that this is an amount accumulated from various sources and so on, but in this amount, in this amount so far that there is no answer to the question, and what kind of... package will it be, at least i can say for sure that it can only be guessed that it is a payment in

that long-range bombs, well, according to the type of cabs, guided air bombs, this also includes air defense systems , and anti-missile defense, i am convinced that in this package also has an answer to the question about high-precision and long-range weapons, why, because you have to understand that... a one-time package of this size is a very valuable thing, and for it, well, what about the caliber of cannon shells or things that associated with air defense and anti-aircraft systems, you will not find, even in such a huge country in terms of potential from the point of view of opportunity, as the united states of america. in fact, how to act correctly in this case? well, it is obvious that today you can see how about half of the american and european press writes that the question is it was decided positively, and half wrote that no,

it was not decided positively, this is a very good basis for not talking about which decision, because forgive me, but from my point of view, the issue of supplying ukraine with long-range, high-precision weapons there is up to the limits 800 and 1000 km, it is only a matter of time, it is clear that... even the bluff that you and i talked about at the beginning, and everything that was said before that, no longer affects washington, and this indicates that what the central intelligence agency also draws conclusions there, because when it sounds like that to me, when burns at the meeting with moore, he says that putin is bluffing, and then i read this headline: united states intelligence opposes providing ukraine with high-precision long-range weapons, i understand perfectly. there are more than a dozen intelligence agencies in the united states. the person who writes this phrase is

simply counting on the fact that these texts are read by people who simply, well, by the word intelligence mean only the central intelligence agency, but if you take the white house, then it uses information from the intelligence committee, and of the central intelligence agency, but there is more joint intelligence of the ministry. the authority of which is much higher for the system of the state apparatus in the united states of america. that is, rumene petrovych, in your opinion, the united states, for example, the current administration. current president biden, they will be ready to take a risk, a serious risk, we understand, yes, that president biden is going down in history in any case, yes, he has little left, and in principle , he has no limitations, because he does not go to the election rallies of kamela garis with a flag or not distributes, give these or other candy bars to voters,

yes, that is, kamalagaris is somewhat separated in the imagination of americans, so biden can take a risk. taking into account the fact that russia has adjusted its nuclear doctrine, yes, but we understand that, most likely, this will not happen in the public sphere, but it may just happen that another toropets, toropets-dva or toropets-3 will fly, so to speak, certain drones, swarms of drones may be hidden by one or another long-range device, yes, which will be able to whip what is called concrete protective cushion and so on. and anti-missile russian air defense systems. ot. but we also understand that our enemy is not just irrational, he is vindictive. well, putin very often implements all his macabre threats. yes, you are one of the few who took seriously the reality of the russian attack on ukraine. both in 2014 and in 2022,

therefore. if we take extreme, risky scenarios? and yes, first and foremost, the chord style in the united states of america, i will immediately postpone it, it is impossible, because it is a purely totalitarian post-totalitarian system, which is dembele, we will do it once and for all here, everything will be something, i am postponing such a thing, this is the first, second, but the implementation of the permission according to the script. which you mentioned, it has already happened more than once, relatively speaking, we are attacking with wild fire, the polyanytsi choir brings with it a surprise, and from my point of view this is one of the most likely options in this situation, and here in this polyphony that

sounds today, this is the most likely option, and as for the topic. nuclear blackmail, making changes to the doctrine and so on, they will write about it, it should be written about, but already today obviously neither the pentagon, nor the military intelligence, nor the cia, it's not that they don't reflect on it, they just don't react, they clearly understand that putin is bluffing, and this has been repeatedly stated recently by british intelligence and... burns, who at the briefing, including with michael moore, the head of mi-6, talked about it. er, now is the deadline for voicing and the deadline for the implementation of this project. from my point of view, it cannot be earlier than the end of november, the beginning of december.

let me explain, there are technological problems here. the fact is that the production of these things has relation. in some cases, five or even six states, in fact, the seven are gathering in order to obtain consent for the use of these weapons, therefore the seven has become, as it were, a large tactical tool for resolving and forming a response to the issue of using frozen funds and to aa including the lifting of restrictions and the granting of permits, the fact that there are closed meetings with scholz, the fact that there is almost no... information is received from the materials of the meeting with tarmer with prime minister trudeau, with others, with the italian parliament, talks about says that these issues are actually being discussed there, because those stamps discussed the level of cooperation, and the size of trade and economic relations, when i read such things, i understand

perfectly well what was written in order to write, no more and no less. it is obvious what was discussed there. a key issue that concerns the lifting of restrictions, plus the provision of certain types of weapons and taking a certain position. it is important here that the representatives of the european union spoke on the side of ukraine. this means that it remains to, ah, solve the problems that are connected. let's say with participation of japan in this process, because some of these types of weapons have japanese components. and this is japan bound by a number of international agreements that prohibit doing this, hence it is obvious that they will be looking for partners who will take on this role not only from the point of view. production, and also from the point of view of the composition of the relevant types of weapons, so from my point of view, the option that you voiced, most likely, we will have at the end of

november, at the beginning of december, but there is a problem here, which is connected with elections of the united states of america, and from my point of view, why isn't there some kind of decision being announced today, because actually everyone believes that in the current situation... when some will insist on doing it and others will not, it will just completely open the election road for one of the candidates, after a rollercoaster with a visit to pennsylvania, in biden's homeland, a factory, when such a riot was raised, it is obvious that no one in the united states of america will withdraw now, but to voice, and not by chance, pay attention to how they coincided, aa tension . staging this issues with the release of information by bloomberg and the new york times that the intelligence denied, that is, it is as if the information stop

in this situation, and it is explained by the political situation in the united states of america. from my point of view, as i say, the decisions have been made, the variant of its implementation should be expected in the period of the end of november, the beginning of december . and i don't see an option for a chordal, dembelian, as we would say, solution, forgive joe biden for these issues, they are connected by a whole series, a whole series of budgetary and administrative powers in the united states of america, that is why the president of the united states of america, he will never take such a step. now there will be a short pause for literally a couple of minutes and after it, roman be'. will continue the analysis of all the most important events of this extremely busy week, damn

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espresso. so, roman petrovich, we understand, as you rightly pointed out, that no one will go to the dimbel accord, but when we talk about the peace plan, the victory plan, it also means a war plan, so we cannot afford to underestimate the intentions of the enemy, the enemy has prescribed for himself. a pretty clear scenario, they are going to destroy our energy infrastructure and then sometime, maybe in the spring, with the help of the people's republic of china and brazil , try to implement their plan, hoping that the spirit of our ukrainian society will be significantly destroyed by this extremely difficult winter, well at least this is how it is commanded, how we should do it,

how we should do it right and why... us to prepare, and in general, if we talk about the brazilian-chinese so-called peace plan, well, i would ask you to analyze it, because the chinese foreign minister has so clearly outlined his visions, his formulas, and once again he mentioned the well-known maxims, to a great extent unfortunately, beijing does not follow them when we talk about our ukrainian interests. first, it is clear that the most important thing in the packages that are now announced by... the european union and germany, including the united states of america, is to protect the sky of ukraine. and this has been voiced more than once by both european and american partners, and germany, italy, the united states and great britain play a key role here. this is the first thing that will be done. second, what is important? it is no coincidence that washington

announced... that there are two documents: a strategy, and this refers to the war plan, because this strategy consists of certain tactical steps, both on the front line and actions in the rear, and the second is the victory plan, it is a political document , which provides for the appropriate, appropriate political strategy in this regard. the essence of both documents consists of this: this idea, which sounds so-called... the summit is a kind of gingerbread, but what concerns long-range high-precision weapons, anti-aircraft, anti-missile defense systems, long-range guided aerial bombs is that called a whip. now, what to do with these plans, chinese, south african, ah, middle eastern, i call them so generalizing, joint

sino-brazilian. the most interesting thing is that if you take this joint sino-brazilian document from may 2023, then out of six points can be referred to as programmatic things only to the first point, which he talks about: the cessation of firing, the ban on any provocations in any areas and parts, and the third is... the beginning of a dialogue, a political dialogue, that's all, if you read the second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth points, expand, deepen, there we are talking about humanitarian aid, medical care, accommodation of the civilian population and so on, that is, those things, they do not relate to issues related to the relevant theater of hostilities and hostilities. or

such a document can be considered a kind of plan, and such documents are written by those who wrote documents about the freezing of the situation in donbas since 2014 and about the current cessation of hostilities, planning that this will lead to the war winding down, as was the case in some cases in the balkans, as it was in the sino-vietnamese war, and cut me to pieces, but it blows from there. they fought for 11 days, then laid down their weapons, stopped shooting, ran away, in general, the scenario of the korean war, when they killed at least a million people and the war went to exhaustion, and began to fade, fade even after...