such matters are usually discussed precisely during such meetings, it is absolutely obvious to me, but in any case i assume that the final decision, if there will be any, will be during this summit of the four in germany and during ramstein, at the level of the leaders, it can be discussed there again, whether this decision will be affected by this... the issue of putin's escapades, yes, i'll tell you honestly, it can affect, maybe, as far as i don't know, by what, whether the number will affect this decision at all rockets, which we have at our disposal, this is also a very good question, what kind of arsenal we can operate now and how much the amount we have, even if it is applied on the territory of the russian federation, will change the military-technical course of the war, that is, if correct... to formulate

this formula, andrei, how political risks are worth the military-technical effect, if not worth it, then maybe then it is not necessary, western leaders will tell you, they can proceed from this complex of issues, which beyond doubt is the subject of their constants discussions when they meet each other, but the fact that they do not leave this issue is also obvious to me, well, in particular. the new york times on friday, that is, yesterday, i found, i found, i just specially wrote an article about the fact that the intelligence of the united states of america announced the risks due to possible strikes by ukraine on the territory of russia, this is about what mr. vitaly just said, that they will also calculate, and whether it should be done or not from the point of view of some certain expediency. there is a number of missiles, an opportunity

impression of the targets by these missiles, why does the us intelligence supposedly think so, because russia has already moved some part of its aviation there, some of its warehouses or something else, already to a more distant territory, accordingly, they believe that in fact the potential risk is greater than the potential benefit . yes, at least there is such information. here, here actually, you can agree or disagree, but we will talk about it further, discuss it further, and for now, a short break, and you and i will return to the live air on the tv channel espresso wait. in the latest edition of the magazine ukraine. mykola knyazhytskyi tells how

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political club, direct ether, andriy smolii and vitaliy portnikov, and from one diplomacy, from one... price of the world, we will move to another, no less important, in fact there are other opinions, and there is another position, more precisely, not one, and the position of a whole number of states regarding the so -called peace plan, this time we already have chinese or brazilian diplomacy, and hungary joins them, and we see that even switzerland, china and brazil are gathering their group of supporters of their plan , and we see that unexpectedly this plan supports switzerland, in particular, they said that they also see the possibility of participating in such a peace initiative, besides, even we

are not surprised by this, but viktor orbán, the prime minister of hungary, also basically said that he is ready to join in fact, to this informal... group of china, brazil or the global south, and what they offer in china, in particular, onegi offers the following formula: first negotiations, or rather , i apologize, first a ceasefire, then negotiations and refraining from sanctions, that is, such a triad. mr. vitaly, i have a question for you regarding this... plan, can this plan be considered as which, which, which plays into putin's hand, and what game china and brazil are playing now against the background of, again, the same elections in the usa, and the same the very plans presented by

ukraine and our allies. well, by the way, this is the answer to the question of how much we ourselves have played this game with a large number of countries. who should support our peace formula, how important are these representative international forums to us, do we not think that someone else can also hold them, because we understand that when on the eve of the first peace forum china refused to participate in it, instead the ministry of foreign affairs of this country organized such a large international tour of its special representative lihui to the countries of the global south, then in this situation it naturally became clear that china has alternative agenda. and when wang ye and chief adviser to the president of brazil, celsu amari, agreed that this would not only be a chinese plan, but a sino-brazilian plan, it became clear that china wanted this provide the appearance of at least a large international alternative. and this seems to me to be understood in

kyiv from the rostrum of the session of the un general assembly, volodymyr zelensky condemned this plan, called it unconstructive, it is also, i would say, such a rather unexpected decision for diplomacy that if... you want to build some kind of relations with china there , you certainly don't condemn his peace initiatives from the rostrum of the general assembly session, but it's largely zelensky's style to say from high rostrums what he considers true and real, that's how he works, so what's up again, the question is not about zelensky, the question is about shizen ping, of course, so what do you want shizen ping, he wants to demonstrate once again that there are two worlds, there is the world of the west, which imposes sanctions, and there is the world of the global south, which can be - who to save from these... if you are a good partner of this global south, and the way iran exists, and the way russia exists, it once again demonstrates this history, it shows that there is a world in which one group of countries is not maintains relations with the conflicting party, it is

the united states and the european union, which broke off relations with russia, and there is a world in which they try to talk to everyone, and by the way, we ourselves, i also said from our purity and... a rather childish understanding of reality, we give china such an opportunity, because look, vani is gathering this group friends of peace, right? on the other hand, he comes to the meeting of the un security council, which... was organized, of course, for volodymyr zelenskyi so that he could make a clear speech about his formula for peace, about his vision of peace. and vani speaks there, despite the fact that the representative of russia is present to the un security council, not bendzia, the meeting is called a theater performance for zelensky, but van participates in it, that is, it shows that it is not a performance for zelensky, and he is ready to participate in events held with the participation of zelensky, then vani meets with minister of foreign affairs of ukraine andriy scebigo. and most importantly , the real head of ukrainian diplomacy , andriy yarmak, because we understand that

in our conditions the minister of foreign affairs is not the chief diplomat, the chief diplomat is our the head of the president's office, and the minister of foreign affairs is the manager of his own ministry, and so too, so if everyone sees that he is not just talking to sebiga, but to yermak, that is, there is a conversation at the level of leaders, because ivan is not only the minister of foreign affairs affairs, but the head of the party office of foreign policy, this is approximately the position that yermak holds. if you find an analogue of yermak's position, then it is wang ye, the head of the international office of the central committee of the communist party of china. so, it is clear that ukrainians also want to talk with china, and the russians want it, because at this very session they meet with sergey lavrov, they have a friendly meeting, and then who are the friends of peace, the americans or the chinese? of course, the chinese, if they talk to both of them, they want to do business with her, which means that an alternative track is created. and here... again , there are already many participants at this meeting of friends of peace, that is, i am not surprised

that hungary is there, because i would say, polarization is going on, and you really have to be the first to catch this chinese boat, because the next ones just might not to take, they will be unnecessary, that's why turkey, that's switzerland, and what is switzerland doing there? switzerland is a neutral country, if it maintains neutrality, it should be a participant in all formats. this is their foreign policy logic, kazakhstan, pakistan, pakistan, why, because india is not in this format, it means that pakistan wants to be in good relations with china, it thinks that china should be its main partner of utterances, when india is getting closer to the united states, there is pakistan, and so and so can be said about every country, but i am convinced if china decides to assemble a large representative forum of these. friends of peace, there will probably be about as many countries as there were at our summit, because it will be like,

let's say, as participation in the peace forum was by and large a manifestation of commitment to the civilized world, to america, to the group of seven, so this this forum of friends of peace will be a show of affection for china, and between us, so to speak, we will have a big dilemma if we avoid this... this format, call it non-constructive, and russia there goes, then all the diplomatic results of our peace forum will be nullified by china, because almost the whole world will gather without the united states, without canada, without the european union, but all the others, those whom we wanted to see all the time for reasons i do not understand, here they are all they will go there, and the russians will come there. we won't be there and everyone will say: well, who wants peace? ukraine is simply not an independent state,

when the americans told it to leave, they went to switzerland, now the americans, when peace really got closer, they did not go anywhere, and if we go, like you you see, this will also be a diplomatic disaster, because we will find ourselves at the same table with the russians, when we did not invite them, but when we were interrogated together with them, as two brawlers who must be killed, this will be a clear equalization. a victim of the aggressor, and of course, it will not happen under the conditions that ukrainian society thinks about, this is also, by the way, a big problem that you must always remember, andriy, that any negotiations and any if you imagine a ceasefire , it won't end the way you think most of our compatriots, if there will be any peace conditions at all, then they may be difficult for the majority of ukrainians to perceive, and we are not preparing for this either, because our people still live in a situation where we decide what peace will be, here we are now ... and if we decide, then there will be peace as we want, that is one problem, but of course

china is playing its own game, and i keep saying that we will not be able to sit on these two chairs, because these two chairs are over, that there are two worlds, the world, relatively speaking, of america, the european union, the world of this group of seven, and the world of the global south, the most. the problem is when you fall out of one of the worlds, fall out of both worlds, this is a real problem, it was called multi-vector foreign policy before, but on the other hand, when there was a multi-vector foreign policy... the politics of the kuch era, we understand, we were just in the sphere of influence of russia, they were already playing with some kind of multi-vectorism, had their own relations with the west to a certain, at least economic border, well, now everything, now everything is clear, everything what happens from this situation, that is, either we will achieve peace with the west,

or we will achieve peace with china, but each time it will not be the kind of peace that we find more comfortable for ourselves, and that's all, by the way, the politiko edition came out with a publication that ukraine allegedly sends some secret letters, well, secret, not secret, not secret anymore, if a politician writes about it, but less so and asks the country not to support the peace plan china, i don't know how much, since china sent letters and asked not to support ukraine's peace formulas, ugh do you remember, and in addition to this, anthony blinken, the secretary of state of the united states of america, at the meeting with vani, which we also mentioned, stated that china's talk about peace in ukraine is inconsistent with actions, including, ibid. and there was information from blinken that about two-thirds

of the machines, which are understood to be used afterwards for production. weapons and 90% of microcircuits, microelectronics, that is, what is used to produce missiles, shahedis, others, there are cabs, the same ones that hit our borders, in sums, in kharkiv, in zaporizhzhia, 90% is actually imported by russia from china, but that's not all, this week there was information, including in... western media, that russia allegedly established some kind of joint production on the territory of china drones, and these drones are either already being delivered, or will be delivered to the territory of russia in the future for the war with ukraine, that is, you see, there is already a direct statement by the us secretary of state, there is direct

data, how much is being delivered, there is parallel information about... in fact what china is arming russia, and if it is true that there is information that there is a joint production of drones, that there are some russian weapons production facilities on the territory of china, then this essentially means that china is no longer just indirectly supporting russia in the war, not just is so-and-so, such-and-such a country that sits on two chairs, and in fact is the one... the state that de facto provides russia with lethal weapons, so how do you comment on this entire mass of information that we have, as from official persons, as well as from mass media? well, i have counter question, this is what the secretary of state of the united states, that is, the head of the diplomatic mission of a country that no one attacked, is saying. and how does ukraine

behave with the chinese? so when the president of ukraine was asked if he knew about... this supply of weapons from china to russia, he said that no weapons are being supplied and have not been supplied, and that he was promised this by xizen ping, ugh, that is, president zelenskyi is still proud of his phone conversation with sidzempin, as the highest diplomatic achievement, because in our power circles dolcia has the illusion that sooner or later china will decide to reconcile us with russia on good terms, we will come to an agreement with him, he will give us money, these people continue to live in all these illusions, that's when... the ukrainian side generally raised questions publicly about supplying china with at least dual technologies, we behave with the chinese like people who really want to please comrade vanya, under no circumstances say

anything to him that will be unpleasant to him, this is the important point of this unpleasantness, the first this is one of the first to come... this is criticism china by the president of ukraine at the session of the general assembly of the united nations, not china, but the chinese plan, exclusively the chinese plan, but no one criticizes the chinese policy. this is what blinkin says, zelenskyy should say, tsybig should say, vani, it should be in the press service of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine that the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine asked the minister of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china about... supply of technologies that can be used in the war against ukraine and emphasized that no peacemaking efforts by china can be considered fruitful in the event that china helps with its... industrial role, the continuation of the military-industrial complex of the russian federation. it all sounds, does not sound. we now behave with china the way

we behaved with russia at one time. god forbid, in meetings with russian officials, say something that they will not like. and after 2019, when it's clear that we can't say anything they won't like, at least not remember their last names. but since 2019, the president of ukraine did not mention putin's name in a negative context or in any context? so now he does not remember the name of svidenpina. and it would seem, well, we can already see that such a policy has undergone an absolute fiasco. once, we continue it again. well, what can i do? i can't rewire the brains of people who make decisions. so, this is reality. this reality, by the way, applies to many things in terms of approach. to china, if you remember, i explain from 2022 that if you if you want to have any serious relations with china at all, you should not treat it as if

you were a potential colony of china, because you are only whetting its appetite, as you previously whetted the appetite of the russians, you can do business with china only when you pursue a policy of strong partnership, if so, why don't we open up in ourselves, i said in 2022, at least the representation of this taipei one. economic commission, which works in every better capital of the civilized country of the world, which is in warsaw, which is in moscow, many decades, and nothing china and russia, as you can see, are not quarreling about this issue, because russia has shown that it can support economic relations not with taiwan, and let china not bypass it, it recognizes the policy of one china, but economic relations , you will not dictate to us here, because we are russia, it is not for you to dictate to us, but we behave like a country that can be dictated to, we keep our deputies from traveling all the time. to taiwan, we prevented the trip of the chairman of the committee on international affairs of the verkhovna rada council of ukraine, when it was already almost announced an unofficial visit, this is despite the fact

that taiwan absolutely supports ukraine, and taiwan can be a source of technology supply for ukraine, and taiwan is a country with a very influential lobby, let's say, among those republicans, american, favors , which we are so looking for, and taiwan is beautiful. that if russia solves the issue of ukraine's statehood, then taiwan will be next, it is absolutely beyond our control, only at certain moments, when zelensky is already seriously offended by xizen ping, the question arises, rather than going to someone in taiwan, then this china great china illusion appears again and it all fades away, and my premise was that if you have a level of relationship with taiwan, you can manage that level, it's a managed relationship conflict with chinese partners, let's say when mr. sibiga tells comrade vaani, you know, here we have the speaker of the verkhovna rada going to taiwan with

a trip, but if you don't hold this summit of your friends of peace, the vice-speaker will go , and not the speaker, then comrade vani will seriously think about who he wants to invite to such meetings so as not to receive a new defeat. in this policy of one china, which is 100 times more important for china than 10 ukraines, is this whole diplomatic game even worth such a loss in the asian-texas basin, and if we talk about china all the time from the point of view of what we need to do this to please them, then i will tell you what needs to be done to please china, to establish friendly and close relations with the russian federation, to agree with the president of the russian federation vladimir putin on its conditions. give him as much territory as he wants, announce your neutrality, demilitarization, denazification, then you know everything and you will have friendly relations with china, capitulate, in short, if

you do not want to capitulate, you will not have friendly relations with china , as long as you have not met zvannidzenpin, did not look at them with dreamy eyes, did not dream about some of your business interests in china, it will not matter, throw this stupidity out of your head, like all the previous stupidities that you had in your head before the fiasco 24 february 2022. year, that's what needs to be done, and we can't figure it out, by the way, because we don't judge february 24, 2022 as a fiasco, because if we told ourselves that the course that was chosen in in 2019, which led to the victory of volodymyr zelensky in the elections, the fiasco ended, not the president himself, this is not even a question of zelensky, but of the supporters of this course, this is such a general national fiasco, we believed that we could... come to an agreement with putin, we they tried to get him, he is at this time was preparing to attack us, if we judged this as a national fiasco, then we could correctly build our policy towards china, and if we

think all the time that this is ... that's just the way it happened, because it happened, we are the victims , we are here for nothing, we have absolutely nothing to do with the development of events, that we are all the time in a political kindergarten, where we are not responsible for anything, not even for our own stupidity, then we will make new mistakes, i china will to use these mistakes, because china is it a communist state with cynical leaders, they have a completely different value system than the americans over there or the europeans, they will take you as it were, as camila harris told donald trump about... so the chinese will definitely eat you for lunch and keep another piece for themselves for dinner, but what could be the consequences of such a senseless policy towards china, what can ukraine ultimately gain from this? well, you have already partly answered the question, but in general, we must explain to the audience that, after all, how about russia, we

we saw what kind of... consequences we reaped not only there, if we are talking about the 19th and 20th, but in general, in principle, after the restoration of independence, but china, what, what can we have at the exit, and i will tell you , that we should now be interested in stopping the export of technology from the people's republic of china to the russian federation, that is, we should act with a united front by the united states and, on the contrary, we should force european countries to ... they introduced secondary sanctions against the chinese people's republic that we can get, if we do not do this, and if when the americans talk about the fact that the chinese are helping russia with armaments, then we pretend that we do not see or hear this, and the americans look somewhat hysterical in the eyes of even ukrainians, europeans, well of course, the americans will say that, well, they are just in a confrontation with china, and why

should we pay attention to this. you understand how many people in the world want to make money in china, especially in european countries, you saw how they all go there, don't worry it’s as if it’s smeared with honey, macron, scholz, melons, you can imagine what kind of influence china has in the world, i’m already talking about, even in ukraine, when i look even at some ukrainian experts who talk about china, i definitely understand in general, what political course they follow and why, in our country, i would say for... already our entire information world and business world and so on, infiltrated by china the way it was infiltrated with russia, just because of this difference, what it can cost us statehood, which means that if we do nothing, we will not stop china, we do not introduce secondary sanctions, russia continues to build up its military-industrial complex, have new weapons, new shells, new drones, new tanks, so it is fighting us as much as it needs for the final liquidation of ukrainian statehood, that's all we can have , these are interconnected things, times. second,

we must clearly understand that we are not a country of the global south and that the countries of the global south do not play any role in our survival at all, and that this is a game of numbers, some very childish game, how many countries support us, what is the difference, how many countries support you, it is important how many countries give you money, it is important how many countries give you weapons, not so much how many countries vote for you in the un, here is a simple example, how many countries vote in the un, now for support israel, not many, but not many. the majority votes against, there are many countries that abstain, several countries in the united nations vote in support of israel, right? how it helped hassan nastraliya, this vote, don't you know? we are fighting all the time for this resolution of the general assembly session un, as if it matters in terms of our actual survival. well, these countries will vote for our support, even when russian

troops are stationed in uzhhorodka, it doesn't matter. our task is to ensure that there are no troops there, if even 60% of the countries of the global south do not support us, even 80, this is the problem of the countries of the global south, if kazakhstan or azerbaijan or turkey vote against us, conditionally speaking, what will they change their position, and for god's sake, they won't put something there for us, some yurts that are not indestructible will not supply some humanitarian cargo, well , for god’s sake, it’s better, of course, let it be supplied, but we can do without it, but we can’t do without weapons, without missiles, without patriots, we’ll just die, you shouldn’t just call a spade a spade, diplomacy in war has zero meaning, the very idea that all the countries of the world will gather and tell putin that he got out of ukraine has nothing to do with reality, because ...