but not distancing from russia and the rest, because our elites for decades, instead of implementing the ukrainian agenda at the cultural, informational, economic, political levels, simply considered ukraine a feeding territory and acted accordingly, and here in fact, when i am in front of our ether i was driving and read it, it's straight to the point, it's straight to the point, what about... on the one hand, there is a world that has not canceled the russian language, and on the other hand, there is ukraine, the state, the authorities, the authorities, i would say , the various authorities that were in ukraine, which are so in ukraine itself, they did not cancel the russian language, and who , even if we are talking about the present, did not advance an adequate, full-fledged, pro-ukrainian... agenda to the world

community, when i spoke about the fact that, well, i'm sorry, the foreign language of fried, maybe to some extent it is necessary, but where, for example, is our english-language television broadcasting, where is our spanish, spanish-language television broadcasting, there, yes, where will we be to represent our position where our full-fledged cultural centers in the world, in every country. in every big city, i'm sorry, christina, there are russian centers in every city, but when i was abroad, wherever i went, there were russian cultural centers everywhere, russians had places to go, everywhere there were russian concerts, russian, russian ballet, russian events. they influenced their people abroad, and they influenced the opinions of the population

abroad, so look, the great russian culture, here it is yes, it exists, it is big, and unfortunately, even in such powerful democracies as, for example, great britain, in london, how many in london in fact, russian, cultural , cultural, informational, political centers, which demonstrate to the british that this is russian culture, it cannot be canceled, there is putin, what theory do they have now, there is, there is putin, well, putin, well, okay, well, putin is not russia, but there is a great russia with a great history, only that it is a history of bloody bloody slaughter, that it is a history of enslavement, destruction of peoples, the fact that this is the story of the country's fusion on someone else's mountain and, in principle, on everything that is someone else's. on someone else's

history, on someone else's artists, on someone else's historians, other people's thinkers, on other people's scientists, no one wants to talk about this, and we as a state, in my opinion, since the very beginning of 1991, we have not built this policy, and we are not building it even now, and i am the last i will say about, actually, why us, maybe you, why me, why... maybe our viewers were so affected by what they are telling us, we will not show this plan in full, and it affected us because we we recall the istanbul, possible istanbul agreements, but no one told us about what was there, what the plans were, but then after six months, a year, two, even today, with every month, some new details appear about what a disaster could have been if ukraine... let's say,

would have agreed to the istanbul agreements, because everything was there, whatever, there was also about our army, there was also about our language, there was also about denazification, there was in fact everything that russia demanded, so of course we have a certain mistrust, so again once again, we do not see adequate, normal communication with society, when we are proven that such a thing exists victory plan er, before it is presented, even if there is no need to show something, but it is necessary to talk with us, that in this plan there are victories point by point, completely point by point, after he was presented and after all the press of the whole world is already talking about him, i think that this is the key, the key is actually mistrust after we received a very negative and painful lesson from these istanbul... their negotiations, about

which in fact the absolute majority of our society, the absolute majority of means mass media, the absolute majority of people in general did not know and found out about these well... in my opinion, just terrible points, which were even discussed after many, many, many months, regarding the economist article, so programmatic, well, let's say so, with with aplomb of realism, the article, the material that was rolled out, the main, main message there, both ukraine and the allies should be more realistic, and... and finally understand what is being said when they talk about victory. an economist in principle, but at this moment, in my opinion, quite apt notes that our allies and we and ours, even the citizens of our society

within the country, have different interpretations of what victory is. you ask andria from one person on the street, they will tell you a ceasefire, the return of all of us. of the military went home, everyone is alive, the rockets are not flying, at best, the rockets are not flying overhead, someone will say that the end of the war is only an exit to the borders there in 1991, there will already be those who will say, what are the borders 91st, let's talk about chicken, and then also for kubay, well, yes, of course i am hyperbolizing a little, but less so, inside... ukrainian society understands the victory in this war in different ways, for some this war has been going on for three years, for others it has been the 11th year, for someone it is existential, someone who is familiar with history understands that this war is no longer the first century, but no no, that is, not

one century continues, and it also depends on how people see the way out of this extremely difficult, almost pathetic, to be honest. situation, therefore somehow to blame now the economist is that they inappropriately lead both us and our allies to the point that we decide what will be the victory, intermediate or final, i don’t know how, thank you for that, here they formulated it very aptly, on the other hand on the other hand, regarding this article, you know, andriy, that i was madly cut to the heart. in heart and mind, this is basically a reminder to the economist that vladimir putin and the russian federation are not interested in our territory, they are interested in preventing ukraine from becoming prosperous a european democratic state, that is,

putin is not interested in our territories, well, then i have a question, do you know anything, the economist, about putin's aspirations, well, to restore in all parameters, including territorial ones... the union that he still had in the early 2000s of them, he called his collapse almost the biggest personal tragedy of his life, which, in principle, already occupying almost the entire luhansk region, a huge part of the donetsk region, seems even bigger part, than the donetsk zaporizhzhia region, and the kherson region, i'm not talking about the long-occupied one crimea, it's not, it's not, it doesn't exist. goals, he is not interested in ukrainian territories, he is not interested in expelling ukrainians from these territories, and then inhabiting this semi-criminogenic russian mentality, already such evaluations, as they say, he is certainly not interested in fighting with

the ukrainian language, culture, identity, belief in he is certainly not interested in the territories he occupies, in these territories everything they can give, the first thing that comes to mind is, for example, ukrainian grain, which has already been taken away, well, i don't know, let the specialists they will say how much, but these are colossal, colossal loads and quantities, when i say that putin is not interested in all this, of course, i am using sarcasm, because he does all this, which means that he is interested in it, which means that ukraine in everyone, in absolutely every sense. this is what he needs, and he, well, he is probably here like that body, lord, my god, immortal, here for sure, and, as they say, his needle is hiding in that egg, which is ukraine, here is his death , but this, this is all, this is all pathetic, i am not inclined to believe that

putin is not interested in our territories, putin is interested in absolutely all of ukraine, which has been successful. to reintegrate into the russian federation and already now the tentacles of the russian miroo are reaching out and trying to fill the minds of the middle class again. ordinary ukrainians, those who are and are not interested in the war, those who are and are not interested in political realities in ukraine and in the world, now everyone, everyone should be dragged into the russian world with one eye, those who will especially disagree can rest in the bykivnyan forest, for example, such precedents, history has already called, yes i do little by little, ugh, to our next topic, andriy, and i said briefly that russia... is never interested in the plans that other countries are preparing to end the war,

in the plans that ukraine is preparing, in particular, it has everything and that's it it's good for this russian federation, which moves as it needs to, on the other hand, somewhere, somewhere, a conditional will slip through, lavrov, and one that will definitely remind that it is necessary to return to of the very first demands of the russians, what is it? protection of the russian-speaking population, that's right, by the way, regarding this, regarding, regarding this, i propose to listen to the synchronicity of what mr. lavrov said, yes, and what he said, let me say it again now, lavrov is the minister of foreign affairs of the occupying state, and in particular he called on the president, not the president, well, the president, but not the president, candidate. now the presidents of the united states of america , the president in the years 16-20, donald trump,

will promote the repeal of the laws passed by kyiv on ukrainianization and the actual ban of the russian orthodox church, that is, we are talking about the speech law and we are talking about the ban of the russian church. and only in fact, from lavrov's point of view, this will be the first step in order to talk about something in general, what kind of cynicism? let's listen. it's not about the territories, as zelensky is asking, give us the territories within the borders of 1991. we are not talking about territories, we are talking about people who lived for centuries, developed these lands, built factories, built roads, ships , etc. here are the real reasons. if mr. trump succeeds in repealing these laws that we are talking about, it will already be a step forward. it's easier to do, take and vote. this is the main confirmation

the fact that russia needs all of ukraine, and the fact that in reality russia is implementing a scenario of essentially destroying all of ukraine through the prism of territorial occupation. that is, it is an absolutely hybrid, complex approach, and when someone says that... we apologize, but this is either a war not for the territory, or a war, someone says, not for ukraine, but only for the territories, then it is absolutely is not so, and when , let's say, the foreign press says so, it once again emphasizes my thesis that they do not fully understand the context, or do not want to understand it, or, unfortunately, are still within the framework of this russian context, see. the war in ukraine, the war in ukraine continues, because putin needs two

things: the first thing is the occupation of ukrainian territories, but maybe for putin it is a thing, well, so secondary, and the first thing is the destruction and eventually the occupation of all of ukraine, and the destruction and the occupation of all of ukraine, it can... pass through the prism of absolutely different things, let's remember even historically, how russia carried out the actual occupation of ukraine, or then ukraine was not called ukraine, but the hetman state, so the cossack state, what did it do first of all? ems decrees, the destruction of the ukrainian language, the ban of ukrainian books, the ban of ukrainian education, the ban of everything... this ukrainian, well, in the end, as they say, the solution

to the ukrainian question, the same thing is proposed by putin today, it’s just another and more, another and more an interesting reminder, an important reminder to those who say in ukraine that these are unimportant things, that these things are out of time, that there is the question of the church ban, the issue of language, the issue of monuments, the issue of... streets, the issue of historical justice, that all of this is unimportant in ukraine today, lavrov, together with putin, reminds us once again today. that for them it is the number one issue, that for them it is the number one priority, it is the destruction of everything ukrainian, and then, accordingly, the occupation of ukraine. what does putin want? putin wants to secure for himself the territories that he occupied today, well, not putin, but russia, but

to leave ukraine in the so-called gray zone, where it will not join nato, where it will not... will join the european union, where it will have a limited army, where it will have the russian language, and everywhere, where it will have a russian church and russian narratives, that is, russia is important, creeping, gradual, if they cannot capture in general, they're going to carry out a creeping, gradual occupation of our country, uh, and so, of course, that's why it's absolutely logical that... lavrov, and putin, and russia, in general, say these things, for of them they are of primary importance. yes. and that's why when we say that it's actually an all-out war ukraine, and not only for individual territories, this is an absolute and direct confirmation of what

putin wants. putin wants a solution to the ukrainian issue. first ukraine, first the russian federation occupies the minds, only then it occupies the territory on which these minds live, this has always been the case, and this, this is a reasonable approach, to be honest, a pragmatic approach, and if i had the goals that the russian federation has, i would did exactly the same, people who are used to certain things, it is difficult. these habits are abandoned, they are forced to abandon them these habits, well, except for crazy stress, fear, release of adrenaline and a sense of danger. this is what ukrainians from russia were guided by , at one time ukrainians from russia, who switched consciously or unconsciously, in the vast majority consciously,

and they tried to speak ukrainian after the first rockets on february 24, 2022. this week i came across a rather interesting phenomenon, why a phenomenon, because it is really obvious, i follow it in many planes, we already talked about it with you andrii, when we talked, for example, about the ukrainian instablogosphere, let's say, and to the extent that the narratives that they start launching at the same time are put into one kind of caravan, so these narratives about the fact that ukrainians... ukrainian speakers very often press russian speakers and sometimes, because of this, i want to return to russian, it looks like this this is a phenomenon, it is pushed from above, and already now i see that similar tendencies acquire such, you know, already conscious, clear outlines among,

among ordinary people, people who are engaged in completely different things in their lives. and we return to the topic, unfortunately, we return to the topic, what is the difference, what is the difference, in what language, it is extremely dangerous, and when you start explaining to people that we have already been there and that it is enough to jump on the same rake over there, people go into aggression, into misunderstanding, absolutely, absolutely imagine. or everything in the opposite light, they say that those ukrainians who speak ukrainian are aggressive, and they demand it, at least from the public environment, that if i don't win a single victory, i will certainly not be original, if i say that raising ukrainian-speaking children in

ukraine, now, at least in the capital, is... it's a daily job, because russian content is everywhere on the network, if we talk about it, the russian language is everywhere, the majority of children, at least in my school the child really speaks russian, although the educational process, and it is already excellently conducted in the beautiful ukrainian language, and here all the specialists, absolutely all the teachers, are definitely well done, and it is really cool, by the way, i... i'm so sorry, i'm going to interrupt you, because actually i'm going to get to what you're saying, in we have one more piece of information and very important piece of information, but before that... before that, i would like to make an introduction, and it consists in the fact that, in my opinion, again, i have expressed it here many times, the ukrainian state ,

at least in recent years, has done very little to displace russian from ukraine, to displace russian narratives, russian, russian music, russian language, if so, at least from we are talking about public space. and when we talk about this, we see some misunderstanding of the authorities there, the state's lack of understanding that it needs to be done here and now, that russian music needs to be banned, at least on legal platforms, that it needs to be regulated, at least russian content on the territory of ukraine, and by the way, when people's deputies register relevant draft laws, in particular there with... let us remind you that in march of this year, people's deputy mykola knyazhytskyi registered a bill that provides for the regulation of social networks, in particular telegram, regarding

the same content that is produced there, this is very often the case . absolutely pro-russian content, which the ukrainian state simply cannot block or does not want to block, but this content exists, similarly to music, similarly to... other social networks, similarly, there is a huge question, regarding, for example, the issuance by google of various russian articles there, russian websites, and so on and the like, we somehow have to communicate with the commune about this, well, if we approach it, it is the same, for example, still in the verkhovna rada the bill that concerns administrative fines for russian music is being sabotaged, by the way, too nataliya pipa's draft law, here today is a people's deputy... nataliya pipa also initiated a very interesting, in my opinion, important draft law, which concerns the mandatory use of the ukrainian language exclusively on the territory of schools, in particular during breaks by teachers

and students. and this is why it is important, because very often in our schools, even teachers speak russian during breaks, the lesson is formally over for 45 minutes, goodbye and please speak russian. from pipa. in particular, he writes, let's see now, obvious reasons that have rather unpleasant consequences, pressure on ukrainian-speaking children, conflicts over language and bullying, there are more pragmatic reasons. children who do not know the ukrainian language well already in the first grade have difficulties in school, fall behind in reading, learn material worse, in particular, according to 23-24 years of monitoring data of the state education quality service. and the commissioner for the protection of the state language, during lessons and breaks only 41% of children communicate with each other exclusively in ukrainian, that is where it really

is a disaster and where there is a real problem, that is where it is there is an absolute lack of work and lack of understanding by the state, why all these draft laws are not initiated by the relevant ministries, i have an open question, why the ministry of culture and now the ministry of strategic communications is also not pro... working effectively in this direction, i have huge questions, why the issue is blocked , the actual bill on admin fines, i have a huge question, moreover, i'm sure, and i've already talked to people, about, for example, this bill, which today is not yet registered but will be registered that there is also huge opposition and lack of understanding even of the specialized committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, why it is necessary, well... the last thing, we see that people's deputies who are famous for their pro-russian narratives, in particular maksym buzhanskyi, have already

written a number of posts about this today , such a thing, unfortunately, we have a minute to the end, christina, if you want to say a few words about this, and we will, i want to say a few words: don't be divine, we support healthy class initiatives that are long overdue. and very please support people who speak ukrainian, no matter how it sounds, but they still need support in our country, insist that they do not give up their own. well, we must finally shake up the ukrainian state so that it understands that it is necessary to fight with russian narratives with russian peace more effectively. our results. poll, actually, let's see on the screens now, are you satisfied with zelensky's visit to the united states of america, yes, 17%, no, 80.

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