this is to inform serhii rudenko, because he will definitely monitor what is happening, the verdict program in a few moments, i forgive you until tomorrow until 18:10, take care, i will stay for a espresso, good evening, we are from ukraine, today is the holiday of those , who defends the homeland. everyone who stands in defense of our country, every minute, every hour, every day destroying the enemy, now we honor every defender, we bow our heads to those who returned on the shield, this is the day of heroes, defenders and defenders, we thank you, all the time, events, events, every are happening just now and affect our lives.

of course, the news feed reports about them, but it is not enough to know what is happening, you need to understand it. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future. every saturday at 13:10 with a repeat at 22:00. studio event with anton borkovsky at espresso. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. terrorist attack on kherson: six people were killed and as many wounded as a result of the morning shelling of the kherson market by enemy artillery. which one there must be a reaction of western partners to mass casualties among civilians in ukraine. a key priority for european in... security,

the new nato secretary general mark rutte promises to strengthen aid to ukraine and facilitate its entry into the north atlantic alliance. why does jens stoldenberg leave the post of general secretary? reform steps in the ministry of defense. rustem umyerov conducted a number of staff recruitments in the ministry of defense. will the creation of supervisory councils at ministerial state agencies help? clean up the defense procurement system. glory to ukraine, this is a program verdict. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the war, the world, and our victory. just at this moment, iran attacked israel, let's talk about that, about...

the difficult situation that is developing in the middle east and how this situation will affect the russian-ukrainian war, or rather the support of ukraine by the united states of america. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of the consequences of how russian terrorists this morning shelled the center of kherson with artillery, enemy shells hit the market and the bus stop, unfortunately, he died.

eternal memory to the dead and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast we are conducting a poll, today we are asking you about whether you expect the united states of america to allow long-distance driving at the next raimstein, which will take place on october 12. so, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you watch on the air, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers yes, 0800 211 381, no, 08021. 82, all calls to

these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce today's first guest, dmytro razumko, people's deputy. of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in 2019-21 . mr. dmitry, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. thank you for the invitation. it turned out to be quite a difficult evening today, and iran is literally right before our broadcast attacked israel, information about this comes in different ways. the jerusalem post reports that iran fired about 400 rockets at israel. and they write. about some explosions in tel aviv at some oil rigs or some other industrial enterprises, all this, dear tv viewers, is happening literally live, here we are following the news feed, and it is clear that this whole story, which is unfolding in the middle

east, this was a long-delayed military operation by iran against israel and, accordingly... all other countries that are opposed to the state of israel, how will the current situation affect the attitude of the united states of america and attention, will it not divert attention from ukraine to the middle east, especially since the elections here remain in the united states of america, well, literally a month is clear, what the ukrainian delegation did while in washington and new york last week. all in order to draw attention to the russian-ukrainian war, a full-fledged war is unfolding here in the middle east, how will it affect us? well, obviously, will influence and will influence negatively, first of all, there are much more lobbyists for israel in the united states of america

than you who defend the ukrainian position, plus you mentioned the trip that was last week, after which we saw her... in the mass media of such serious publications of the united states states that zelenskyi's star is rolling in and the like, but this issue is not zelenskyi's, i think that in this case we absolutely do not care about his stars, but the question regarding ukraine, this is fundamental today, and we should work in my opinion, in a different format, because we also received internal scandals related to the meeting with trump, visiting certain factories. that accusations began that ukraine takes one or another position, supports one or another candidate, we cannot afford it, we have always worked to ensure that we have the support of two parties, two candidates and the current president

of the united states america, unfortunately, today we saw what we saw, going back to war in the middle east, if there will turn around in the full sense. such a war, it will negatively affect the level of support for ukraine. a large part of the weapons will go there, they, it is not unlimited, and the warehouses of our partners, it also ends, it is not a secret, and if they choose, there is a high probability that the lion's share will go specifically to help israel in the fight, if the pluses are additional ground operations unfold, so i'm quite... optimistic about it, unless it just ends with an iranian strike on israel, and we'll see further escalation, or kindling this flame in the middle east, then for ukraine - this is a minus, for our

country with you in the fight against the aggressor, it will be a minus. well, but this is obviously a plus for our enemies of the russian federation, because it is another conflict and, let's say, the final formation of this axis. evil, which includes russia, iran, syria, north korea, china, it is not clear how they will even be involved in this middle east conflict and middle east war, but it is quite obvious that putin is counting on this, because when the attention chained only to the russian-ukrainian war and including the united nations, this means that all the power is going against putin, and not only against the sata. or classmates of this coalition, well, it is 100%, the only positive point, if you can say so, is that iran will use part of its missiles in other military conflicts and will supply less for russia and also

shaheds, but not less here you can't take the position that someone's grief should pass you by, nevertheless it's a matter of our safety for me is not fundamental much more than any other challenges facing other states, beyond all sadness, let's talk about what is happening in ukraine, because today, october 1, is... the day of defenders of ukraine, happy day we congratulate those who protect us and really do incredible things to stop the enemy on the border with the country from evil, the minister of defense of ukraine rustem omerov made a submission to the cabinet of ministers about the dismissal of four of his deputies stanislav hayder, oleksandr serhiy, yuriy dzhigira and lyudmila. ragan, as the latter held the position of state secretary. in addition to

personnel changes, umyerov focused on reforming defense procurement, and at the same time. according to him, the state-owned enterprise spetstechnoexport will transfer to gur from gur to the ministry of defense, the defense procurement agency and the state operator tiru tylu will be reformed in accordance with nato standards. he set the task of completing the process of cleaning the procurement system in close cooperation with law enforcement. and anti-corruption bodies wrote a umira in facebook, do you understand why in one day four deputy ministers of defense during the war, three deputies and a der-secretary are fired, in fact, i would like to hear the position of the minister, why he is doing this, because if only now, now the reform begins, well, he has been in this position for a long time, if the reform has just started, or he just saw it. that these people are not occupying the positions in which they should work, then this is

a big problem for us, for everyone. i did not reveal the secret, there were many rumors about that they will change the minister of defense, this did not happen, today we see that there was a rotation, or rather, not a rotation, because the cabinet dismissed only the secretary of state and one deputy, the other two are still in the ranks of deputies, according to some of whom were dismissed, the deputies did not even knew who is it, and for some of those who were appointed, it was also possible to simply appoint portraits, put them at the table of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, and this would not affect the quality of work in any way, because the decision is really made in the office of the president, and everything that doesn't happen today in the state, this is the president's area of ​​responsibility. unfortunately, we see a lot of problems, a lot of miscalculations, a lot of corruption scandals, but these are all consequences. the work that was launched and is currently being implemented at the op level. well, do you

mean the management system or the staffing system ? i mean everything, and the management system, or rather, the lack of a management system, and the lack of adequate appointments of adequate people to positions, why? because they don't need smart people there, you know an approach where you select people who can be more effective. more competent in one or another direction for positions than you yourself, this is not about the office of the president, from my point of view, on the contrary, these people strengthened the efficiency, strengthened the team, but in the office it is perceived as creating competition, internal or external, and it is not perceived well there, that's why such people don't get fed up there, they are removed, i understand that because of this same... competition, there are rumors and probably they will end one day with a final

personnel agreement regarding budanov, the chief hurrah of the ministry of defense of ukraine, because in the last two or three weeks i have been watching the leakage of information, and on various resources close to the office, let's call a spade a spade, that is, that it is planned to be removed, so this story is not new, i think that it corresponds to reality. he is a competent officer, he is in his place, i will state my own position, and i believe that if this happens, it will be an attempt to usurp power, to remove people who did a lot to make the country survive in the first hours and days of the war, i would like to remind everyone that budanov is one of the few who was not afraid even before the start of a full-scale invasion, despite the fact that the president said that no, it is necessary to prepare for barbecues. budano indicated that a full-scale invasion was very likely, and it was thanks to the work of guru,

which he leads, that i think we were able to hold, and thanks to, or rather this work, we were able to hold kiev, when representatives of the office of the president, such as podalyak, suggested not to blow up bridges, because they thought that there too some people leave, i don't know the logic in this, i think there will be time and these questions will have to be answered. news, but if budanov is removed, it will reflect negatively on guru's work, and it will be a demonstrative usurpation of all power agencies under. by the president's office, moreover, that this rotation is not connected with the vote in the council, the president can issue a decree tomorrow, and that will be exactly, it seems to me, even the decision of the minister of defense can be made, yes, but, you are absolutely right , it will be done by the hands of the minister of defense, if it will be done, but the decision will be made by the president, we must understand that without

him such decisions do not take place, this year there has already been one loud one. the resignation of valery zaluzhny and the head of the armed forces of ukraine, he is the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in great britain, it is obvious that budanov will have a similar story, budanov has a fairly high rating, he is in the top ten, or even in the top five, of the most trusted politicians of ukraine ukrainians, according to the level of trust, does this mean that the president of ukraine is preparing for elections and the thesis of the british... the economist publication that presidential elections may be held in ukraine in 2025 is true. look, while the state is fighting to preserve itself and remain a state, i am now talking about the citizens of our country, about our defenders, about everyone who is doing everything on their front so that

ukraine remains ukraine, and not part of russia, or was torn between different states. of the world, the president is preparing for the elections, instead of preparing for war, he was preparing for barbecues, now instead of preparing the state for a very difficult winter, which is approaching, he is preparing for elections, and this is not a new story, it happens every spring and every autumn, i already call it spring-autumn exacerbations, the first preparation for the elections, the first they planned to hold the election in... 22, then it was the spring of the 23rd, then it was the fall of the 23rd, then the spring of the 24th, after that it became almost treason to think about the election, and now they are starting again talk about preparing and preparing for elections, and only elections presidential elections in the spring of the 24th, i don't understand

how they are, don't ask me how this can happen according to the current legislation, i don't know, but the problem is that... the president is very rarely read and the constitution, laws in principle are very rarely something is being read, so based on this, the preparations for the elections continue, i am not even talking about the resolution that everyone is discussing today, which is related to the cec, there was a similar resolution before, but the political society that exists today, it began to prepare for the elections, although in fact it should be preparing for... simple winter that is approaching, this is the first, second, i think that our international partners are also tired of ope and the extreme visa to the united states, also a confirmation of that, so the probability of holding such elections is high, whether it is correct, it is difficult to say, because

sometimes someone once told me that it's better to have a horrible... end than a never-ending horror, in this case we'll see how things unfold, i'll ask you a short question, you give me a short answer, i've been told that some of the potential candidates who can participate in the elections, some people are already contracted in advance, and such a process is going on, you as a person who once knew exactly the entire market of political technologists in ukraine, and who were preparing one or the other. election, is there such a process now, as far as i know, i am still not really involved in election processes, i certainly do not contract anyone and do not build a headquarters, because today other challenges are facing all adequate people in ukraine, i repeat once again, but conversations about the fact that back offices have already appeared in the op continue and go around

such conversations that people have already started working, but time will tell how true this is. it is true, another event happened today, mark rutte, he is the former prime minister of the netherlands, became the new secretary general of nato, he was and remains a supporter of ukraine, and today in his program speech rutte called ukraine one of the main priorities in his future work let's listen to what the new secretary general of the north atlantic alliance said. my second priority is to strengthen support for ukraine and bring it closer. it to nato, because it is not in europe there can be strong long-term security without a strong, independent ukraine. i know from my own experience, after the downing of flight mh-17 in... 2014, that the conflict in ukraine is not limited to the front line, so we must do our part. we must fulfill

the package of financial obligations agreed at the washington summit and confirm ukraine's irreversible path to membership in the future, as ukraine's rightful place in nato. beautiful words, mr. dmitri, said rutte, but membership. nato is not only the desire of the ukrainian authorities and what we we constantly articulate that we need the north atlantic alliance, all ukrainians understand this, but we understand that the north atlantic alliance is also a low set of requirements for the country of ukraine, not only of a military nature, but also regarding the development of various institutions, regarding the development of democracy, that is, the fight against corruption, right? yes, that 's right, when the ukrainian authorities, who insist that biden before the end of his presidential term, announce that ukraine will be invited to nato, or

make some such significant statement, that the foreign press wrote that the ukrainians are insisting on this, do they mean zelenskyi's team, or is zelenskyi's team ready to take such drastic actions, regarding the implementation of these points. which are necessary for joining nato, that is, relatively speaking, so that ryute clearly understands that he is not only making statements that we will support ukraine, ryute's next statement may already be, ukraine has started this movement, it is doing something, and we will see what they are doing there and to what extent it meets our criteria, let's, if allowed from the other side let's go, i will also ask questions and we will answer with you, first... when we talk about the fight against corruption and the series of corruption scandals that have been shaking society for several months,

most of them in one way or another connected with the representatives of the authorities, as i already said today, everything is managed from the office of the president, that is, the answer to the question of combating corruption is obvious, how much they did and did everything to prevent the law on bep' from being passed. through the parliament, now they did the same all so that the law on customs does not pass through the parliament, because these are all structures that today generate shadow cash for representatives of the authorities, some of them are supervised directly by hetmantsev, plus the tax customs, this is also their area of ​​responsibility, and the answers are obvious , where do these rivers and streams of these gray or black... finances run that these structures earn. the second question, you said about democracy, freedom of speech. you and i all

know very well what a single marathon is, and when today the representatives of the authorities call from everyone, from every iron, they tell why it is necessary to raise taxes, because there is no money to support the armed forces of ukraine, they forget to tell the truth that, for example, this year they did not want to, i suggested. by the way, other people's deputies proposed to take 1.5 billion hryvnias from a single telethon and send them to the armed forces of ukraine. likewise, they pledge 1.5 billion hryvnias for next year, this is in a state that supposedly has no money. i am silent about the fact that they are forming a road fund, 46 billion hryvnias for next year. they are in the 27th plan to spend a quarter of a trillion. hryvnias for roads and the army will be reduced, so this is not exactly about democracy and the rule of law, freedom of speech, but about efforts at

the expense of the state to create a warm bath for yourself and such a resource that will praise you, and only for you, because more no one watches that one telethon, it's the first, the second, when the president, where is he in america, said that they are journalists. themselves united in order to highlight the truth and show the truth in ukraine, well, first of all, if they united themselves, i have a question, why i and why you, as citizens of the state, have to pay for their desire, to cover it in a single marathon, then if they themselves made this decision, they themselves have to provide it, financially, including, but i think that here the president told a lie, or in other words lied, because we all see how the single telethon works and who it works for today, if we talk about elections, this is also one of the requirements for , to be a full-fledged member of both

the european union and... nato, and the elections are that not appointing yourself to a position, this is when you are really elected, and for this there must be absolutely transparent, clear, honest election processes, unfortunately, if we are talking about today, and how to conduct elections in the realities that exist today, then to comply with all the requirements and principles according to which elections are held in normal democratic states today will be... either impossible, or almost impossible, definitely impossible, because the desire to hold fair elections does not exist today, that is, the question that zelensky once asked biden at the beginning of his presidential career, why is ukraine not in nato, this question can be asked including within the state and asked, but in our country you can see what a very strange and specific history, it is cyclical, i think that many of

those questions , which... were posed by presidential candidate zelenskyi at the stadium, another candidate, could be addressed today to president zelenskyi himself, and the answer, and he would hardly dare to answer them, well, especially about what all the president's friends have two hands , yes, and about nepotism and about many other things, let's talk about one more topic, mr. dmitry, actually about russia and about theirs. already a plan, a nuclear plan, a new nuclear plan, because they have declared that they are changing the nuclear doctrine and, rather, the concept of nuclear deterrence, nato members should not refuse to provide more military aid to ukraine because of the irresponsible nuclear rhetoric of the russian dictator putin, has now declared already former nato general jens stoltenberg in an interview with reuters, let's listen to what he said every time we increased our support.

ukraine with new types of weapons, battle tanks, long-range artillery or f-16, the russians tried to prevent this, they failed, and this latest incident should not prevent nato allies from supporting ukraine either. mr. dmytro, how and in what way should ukraine respond to new realities, because one way or another the nuclear concept. the concept of nuclear deterrence has changed, it is clear that this is rather a signal to our western partners, who also have nuclear weapons, but the question is, how in the current situation, which non-nuclear state is trying to protect itself from the nuclear state of russia, what to do when this neighbor is constantly waving a nuclear club, well, he is waving it starting with a full-scale invasion, where in principle he did it before, and i... i think that even

in russia they understand the consequences that will be , if nuclear weapons are used, the question is where they will do it, either on the battlefield or on their own territory, in order to demonstrate to others, to the participants who have nuclear weapons, that they are serious, and here in this is really a question because there there were talks that they could strike even on their own territory, and knowing... completely inadequate, inadequate approaches in the kremlin, it could be that, but in fact we should continue to do what we are doing, defend and try to protect our state , despite the fact that a serious enemy, i always believe that one should not underestimate the enemy.