today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. terrorist attack on kherson. six people were killed and the same number were wounded as a result of the morning shelling of the kherson market by enemy artillery. what should be the reaction of western partners to mass casualties among civilians in ukraine. a key priority for european security. new. nato secretary general mark rutte promises to increase aid to ukraine and facilitate its entry into the north atlantic alliance? why is jens stoltenberg leaving the position of general secretary? reformative steps in the ministry of defense? rustem umerov conducted a number of staff training in the ministry of defense. will the creation of supervisory councils at ministerial state agencies help to clean up. defense

procurement system. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhii rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the war, the world, and our victory. just at this moment, iran attacked israel, let's talk about that, about the situation, not about... what is developing in the middle east and how will this situation be influence the russian-ukrainian war, or rather, the support of ukraine by the united states of america. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch the video of the consequences of how russian terrorists shelled the center of kherson with artillery this morning, enemy shells hit the market and the bus stop, unfortunately, six people died.

old victims, the creepy video of the first minutes after the explosions was posted by the head of the regional military administration oleksandr prokudin .

on whose air we conduct a survey, today we ask you about whether you expect the united states of america to allow long-distance travel at the next raimstein, which will take place on october 12. so, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers. yes, 0800-211-381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls. these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will summarize the results of this vote. i would like to introduce today's first guest, dmytro razumkov, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in 2019-21. mr. dmitry, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, thank you for the invitation. it turned out to be a rather difficult evening today, and literally before our broadcast, iran attacked israel, it's different, it's coming. information about this,

the jerusalem post reports that iran fired about 400 rockets at israel, they write about some explosions in tel aviv on some oil rigs or some other industrial enterprises, all this, dear tv viewers, is literally happening live, we are watching the news feed, and it is clear that this whole story that is unfolding... in the middle east, this is a long- delayed military iran's operation against israel and, accordingly, all other countries that oppose the state of israel, how the current situation will affect the attitude of the united states of america and whether it will divert attention from ukraine to... close

east, especially since there is only a month left until the elections in the united states of america, and it is clear that the ukrainian delegation , which was in washington and new york last week, did everything to draw attention to the russian - the ukrainian war, a full-fledged war is unfolding in the middle east, how will it affect us, it will obviously affect us and will affect us negatively, first of all, there are much more lobbyists for israel in the united states of america than those who defend the ukrainian position, plus you remembered the trip that was last week, after which we saw in the mass media such serious editions of the united states that zelenskyi's star is rolling there and the like, but this is not a question of zelenskyi, i think that in this case we absolutely do not care about his stars , but the question regarding ukraine is fundamental today, and it would be necessary to work

in a different format, in my opinion, because we also received internal scandals related to the meeting with trump, from visiting certain factories that started with wine. . seeing that ukraine takes this or that position, supports these or that candidates, we cannot afford it, we have always worked to ensure that we have the support of two parties, two candidates and the current president of the united states of america. unfortunately, today we saw what we saw, going back to the war in the middle east, if such a war were to develop there in the full sense. then this will negatively affect the level of support for ukraine, most of the weapons will go there, and they, it is not unlimited, and in the warehouses of our partners, it also ends, it's no secret, and if they choose the high probability that

the lion's share will go specifically to help israel in the fight, if plus there will be additional ground operations, so i'm quite pessimistic about it as ... that it won't end only with iran's attack on israel, and further on we will see the aggravation or kindling of this flame in the middle east, then for ukraine it is a minus, for our country with you in the fight against the aggressor, it will be a minus, well, but this is obviously a plus for our enemies of the russian federation, because one more conflict and, shall we say, the final formation of this axis of evil, which includes... russia, iran, syria, north korea, china, it is not clear how they will be involved in the middle east in this conflict and the middle east war, but it is quite obvious that putin is counting on this, because when attention is focused only on the russian-ukrainian war,

including the united nations, it means that all the power is going against putin, and not only against satellites or singing... moment, it is that iran part of its missiles members of this coalition, well, it is 100%. the only thing, so to speak, is that the positive one will be used in other military conflicts and less will be supplied to russia and also by the shaheds, but nevertheless, one cannot take the position here that someone's grief should pass you by, nevertheless, the issue of our security, for me is... fundamental much more than any other challenges facing other states, aside from all the sad, let's talk about what is happening in ukraine, because today 1 october is the day of the defenders of ukraine, on this day we congratulate those who protect us and really do the incredible, stop the enemy,

the enemy on the border with the country is evil, the minister of defense of ukraine rustem umyerov. made a submission to the cabinet of ministers for the dismissal of four of his deputies stanislav hayder, oleksandr serhiy, yuriy dzhugir and lyudmila daragan, as the latter held the position of state secretary. in addition to personnel changes, umyerov focused on reforming defense procurement, and at the same time, for him in other words, the state-owned enterprise spetstechnoexport will transfer to gur, and from gur to the ministry of defense, the agency. of security procurement and the state operator tilu will be reformed in accordance with nato standards, set the task of completing the process of cleaning up the procurement system in close cooperation with law enforcement and anti-corruption bodies, wrote a message on facebook, do you understand why four

deputy ministers of defense are fired in one day during the war, three deputies and the secretary of state, in fact, i would like to hear the position of the minister, why he do because if the reform is just now starting, well, he has been in this position for a long time, if the reform has only just started, or he has just now seen that these people are occupying... not the positions they should be working in, then this a big problem for us, for everyone, i didn’t reveal the secret, there were many rumors that the minister of defense would be changed, this did not happen, today we see that there was a rotation, or rather not a rotation, because the cabinet released only the secretary of state and one deputy, two others are still in limbo, we'll see how things unfold, but this... well, from the manager's point of view, it's a bad story, because when you come out and say that four people who

were, well, not closely involved in the reform process or the work of the ministry of defense do not correspond to their professional, and otherwise it is difficult for me to explain why this is happening now with professional abilities and competence, then first of all this is a question for you, as the head, on the other hand, i talked a lot about it, when...... about there were changes in the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, when some people were appointed to supposedly ministries, why do i say this, because the efficiency of these or other ministries will not improve from the change of people in these positions, the decision is made in the office of the president, and apparently it works the same way and at the level of deputies, some of whom were dismissed, the deputies did not even know who they were, and... some of whom were appointed, it was also possible to simply appoint portraits, put them at

the table of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, and it did not affect in any way b on quality work, because the decision is really made in the office of the president and everything that does not happen today in the state is the area of ​​responsibility of the president, unfortunately, we see a lot of problems, a lot of miscalculations, a lot of corruption scandals, but these are all the consequences of that work, which was... launched and is being implemented today at the op level. well, do you mean the management system or the staffing system ? i mean the management system, or rather, the lack of a management system, and the lack of adequate ones appointments of adequate people to positions, why? because there's no need for a smart, you know, approach where you're recruiting people who can be more efficient, more competent. in one direction or another for positions, and than you yourself,

this is not about the office of the president, from my point of view, these people, on the contrary, strengthened the efficiency, strengthened the team, but in the office it is perceived as creating competition, internal or external, and it is not well received there , that's why such people don't stay there, they are removed, i understand that because of this same competition eh... rumors come out and probably they will end up with a final personnel agreement regarding budanov, the head of gurru of the ministry of defense of ukraine, because in the last two or three weeks i have been watching the leakage of information, and on various resources close to the office, let's call a spade a spade, that is, that they are planning to shoot him, so this story is not new, i think it is true, but... he is a competent officer, he is in his place, i will say my own position,

and i think that if this happens, it will be an attempt to usurp power , remove people who did a lot for the country to survive in the first hours and days of the war, i would like to remind everyone that budanov is just one of the few who was not afraid even before the start of a full-scale invasion, despite the fact that the president said that he was not, we need to prepare for barbecues, budanov said that a full-scale invasion is very likely, and it is thanks to the work of guru, which he leads, that i think we were able to hold, and thanks to, or rather this work, we were able to hold kyiv, when representatives of the office of the president, such as remotely, they suggested not to blow up the bridges because they thought that some people were also going there, i don't know the logic in this, i think that there will be time, and these questions will have to be answered, but how... that budanov will be removed , this will negatively reflect on the guru's work, and it will be

indicative of the usurpation of all power agencies under the president's office, and that this rotation is not related to the vote in the council, the president can issue a decree tomorrow and it will be exactly that, this is even the decision of the minister defense can be done, yes, but you are absolutely right you say it will be done by hand. namely the minister of defense, if it is done, but the decision will be made by the president, we must understand that such decisions do not happen without him, this year there has already been one high-profile resignation, valery zaluzhny and the chief of the armed forces of ukraine. he is the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in great britain. obviously, budanov will have a similar story. budanov has a fairly high rating, he is among the top ten or even top five ukrainian politicians trusted by ukrainians. does this mean that

the president of ukraine is preparing for the elections and the thesis of the british edition according to yakonomi. that presidential elections may be held in ukraine in 2025, it corresponds to reality. look, while the state is fighting to preserve itself and remain a state, i am now talking about the citizens of our country, about our defenders, about everyone who is doing everything on their front so that ukraine remains ukraine, and not part of russia, or was torn between different states of the world, the president. before the election, instead of preparing for war, he was preparing for barbecues, now instead of preparing the state for a very difficult winter that is approaching, he is preparing for elections, and this is not a new story, it happens every, every spring and every autumn, i already call it spring- autumn exacerbations, the first preparation

for the elections, the first elections, they planned to hold in the fall of the 22nd year. then it was the spring of the 23rd, then it was the fall of the 23rd, then the spring of the 24th, after that it became almost treason to think about the election, and now they're starting to talk again about what are preparing and preparing for the elections, and only the presidential elections in the spring of the 24th, i don't understand how they are, don't ask me how it can happen according to the current legislation, i don't know, but the problem is that it is very rare in the office of the president. they also read the constitution, laws are rarely read, in principle, so based on this, the preparations for the elections continue, i am not even talking about the resolution that everyone is discussing today related to the cec, there was a similar resolution before, but political society as it exists today

it began to prepare for the elections, although in reality it should have been preparing for a difficult winter. which is approaching, this is the first, second, i think that our international partners are also tired of ope, and the extreme visit to the united states is also a confirmation of that, so the probability of holding such elections is high, whether it is correct is difficult to say, because sometimes one person to me once said that a horrible ending is better than...horror without an end, in this case let's see how things will unfold, i'll ask you a short question, you give me a short answer, i was told that part of the potential candidates who can participate in the elections have already contracted some people in advance, and such a process is going on. you, as a person who once

knew the entire market of political technologists in ukraine, and who prepared one or another election, or are there any now the process, and as far as i know, i am still not really involved in election processes right now, i certainly do not contract anyone and do not build headquarters, because today other challenges face all adequate people in ukraine, i repeat once again, but the conversations about that already backoffices appeared in the op, there are ongoing conversations that people have already started working, well, time will tell how true this is, it's true. another event happened today, mark rutte, the former prime minister of the netherlands, became the new secretary general of nato, he was and remains a supporter of ukraine, and today in his program speech rutte called ukraine one of the main priorities in his future work. let's listen to what the new secretary general of the north atlantic alliance said. my second

priority is to strengthen support for ukraine and bring it closer to nato. because there can be no strong long-term security in europe without a strong independent ukraine. i know from my own experience after the downing of flight mh-17 in 2014 that the conflict in ukraine is not limited to the front line. so we have to do our part. we must fulfill the package of financial obligations agreed at the washington summit and confirm ukraine's irreversible path to membership. the desire of the ukrainian authorities and the fact that we constantly articulate that we need the north atlantic alliance, all ukrainians are understand, but we understand that

the north atlantic alliance is also a series of demands on the country of ukraine, not only of a military nature, but also regarding the development of various institutions, regarding the development of democracy, that is, the fight against corruption, the fight against corruption, yes so when the ukrainian authorities, who insist that biden, before the end of his presidential term , announce that ukraine will be invited to nato, or make some such significant statement, which the foreign press wrote about, that the ukrainians insist on this , does zelenskyi's team mean, or is zelenskyi's team ready to take such drastic actions regarding the implementation of these points, which are not covered. for joining nato, that is, well, conditionally speaking, so that ryute clearly understands that he is not only making statements that we will support ukraine, ryute's next statement

may be that ukraine has started this movement, it is doing something, and we will see what , what they are doing there and to what extent it meets our criteria, let's, if you allow, come from the other side, i will also ask questions, and we will go out with you on the answer, firstly, when we... talk about the fight against corruption and the series of corruption scandals that have been shaking society for several months, most of them in one way or another are related to representatives of the authorities, like me i already said today that everything is managed from the president's office, that is, the answer to the question of fighting corruption, it is obvious how much they resisted and did everything in order not to pass the law on baby through the parliament now. they also did everything to prevent the law from passing customs through the parliament, because these are all structures that today generate shadow

cash for representatives of the authorities, some of them are supervised directly by hitmantsev, plus tax, customs is also their area of ​​responsibility, and the answers are obvious, where do these rivers and streams run of these gray or black finances. what do these structures earn, the second question, you said about democracy, freedom of speech, you and i all know very well what a single marathon is, and when today the representatives of the authorities are shouting from everyone, from every iron, they tell us why it is necessary to raise taxes because there is no money to support the armed forces of ukraine, they forget to tell the truth that, for example, this year they did not want to, i offered others, by the way, national ones. hryvnias from a single telethon and send them to the armed forces of ukraine. they are also laying down

uah 1.5 billion for next year, this is in a state that supposedly has no money. i am silent about the fact that they are forming a road fund, 46 billion hryvnias for next year. in the 27th, they plan to spend a quarter of a trillion hryvnias on roads. the army will be reduced, so it is not exactly about democracy the rule of law, freedom of speech, and this is about efforts at the state expense to create a warm bath for yourself and such a resource that will praise you, and only for you, because no one watches that single telethon anymore, this is the first, second, when the president , where he is in america, yes he said that the journalists themselves united to... to cover the truth and show the truth in ukraine, well, first of all, if they united themselves, i have a question, why i and why you, as citizens of the state, should pay for

their desire to highlight it in a single marathon, then if they themselves made this decision, they themselves have to provide for it financially, including, but i think that here the president told a lie, or in other words lied, because we all see how a single television works. and for whom he works today, if we talk about elections, this is also one of the requirements for being a full member of both the european union and nato, and elections are not about appointing yourself to a position, it is when you are really elected, and for this there must be absolutely transparent, clear, honest elections processes, unfortunately, if we are talking about today and how to conduct elections in... the realities that exist today, then

it will be either impossible or almost impossible to comply with all the requirements and principles according to which elections are held in normal democratic states. .. impossible, definitely impossible, because the desire to hold fair elections does not exist today, i.e. the question that zelensky once asked biden at the beginning of his presidential career, why ukraine is not in nato, this question can also be asked within the state and ask, and you see in us, which is very a strange and specific story, it is cyclical, i think that many of the questions asked by the candidate for president zelenskyi at the stadium could be addressed to another candidate today and to president zelenskyi himself, and the answer and answer to them is unlikely to be without him well, especially about why all the president's friends have two hands, yes, and about nepotism and about many other things. let's talk about one more topic, mr. dmytro, actually about russia and about their already planned,

nuclear plan. new nuclear plan, because they declared that they nuclear doctrine change and, rather, the concept of nuclear deterrence, nato members should not refuse to provide more military aid to ukraine because of the irresponsible nuclear rhetoric of the russian dictator putin, said the now former head of nato jens stoltenberg in an interview with reuters. let's hear what he had to say. each time we strengthened our support for ukraine with new ones. the russians tried to prevent this. they did not succeed. and this last case should not prevent nato allies from supporting ukraine either. mr. dmytro, how and in which the way ukraine has to respond to new realities, because one way or another the nuclear

concept has changed, the concept of nuclear. deterrence, it is clear that this is rather a signal to our western partners, who also have nuclear weapons, but the question is, as in the current situation, a non-nuclear state, which is trying to protect itself from the nuclear state of russia, what to do when this neighbor is constantly waving a nuclear club, well, he is waving it, starting with a full-scale invasion, where in principle he did it before, and i think in russia as well. understand the consequences that will occur if nuclear weapons will be used, the question is where they will do it, either on the battlefield or on their own territory to demonstrate to other participants who have nuclear weapons that they are serious, and that is really the question , because there were rumors that they could strike even on their own territory, knowing that it was completely

inadequate. but inadequate approaches in the kremlin, then it may be that, but in fact we must continue to do what we are doing, defend and try to protect our state, despite the fact that the enemy is serious, i always believe that one should not underestimate the enemy, one must understand that we are fighting a great power with nuclear potential, but nevertheless, thanking the armed forces, by the way... i would like also congratulate everyone who defends our state today at the front and not only at the front, we must understand that this is a serious enemy, and we must still go our own way. thank you, mr. dmytro, for the conversation, this was dmytro razumkov, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in 2019-21. friends, we are watching due to what is currently happening in the middle east, the situation is developing, that is,

information is changing literally from minute to minute, biden has already instructed the american military to help israel shoot down iranian missiles, now there is a massive attack by iranian missiles on the territory of israel, but we will talk about that after the story on our tv channel, we will have diplomat oleksandr khara on the phone, we will analyze this situation in all its components, for now, take a look at our wonderful employees. our employees tv channel, 22 employees are defending the homeland in the war zone, today, on the day of defenders of ukraine, we will talk about our courageous colleagues who are now protecting our peace, we are looking at the russian ranks in kherson, russian.