they defended at least kyiv with weapons, so it is necessary to understand that the ukrainians should be the first to learn about plans, especially peace plans, plans for victory, because they are the only ones who will decide which plans are acceptable for us, for which peace is acceptable for us , acceptable, and how we should move, that's why this, you know, humiliating procedure, when something is presented to someone abroad, the media abroad all have information, they meet with journalists abroad, give them information about the victory plan, while ukraine and ukrainians, ukrainian journalists, de facto, do not have access to any information, i am not talking about the deputies, so the situation is so-so, i think that if this plan were, let's say, realistic, something new, and it would not have ... secret parts, probably,

it would be presented. as far as i understand, from what i have read in the international media, there is nothing new in this regard. everything is the same, the list of weapons, permits to strike in the middle of russia, joining nato, sanctions and the return of our 300 billion, which is so stuck in europe and they can't get out of there. i am talking about frozen russian assets. so that's actually what we've been talking about for 2 and a half years, i think if there are secret parts, they're definitely, shall we say, not pleasant. thank you, ms. yulia, ms. elizaveta, is it possible to put an equal sign between the plan for the victory of ukraine and the plan for the defeat of russia, because this is the most important question, because we, we understand that for us... this is the defeat of russia, is it clear

to our westerners partners? i think that for us the victory is not only the defeat of russia, it is a just peace, where we want russia not only to withdraw its troops, but also to return all our prisoners, and also to really start paying reparations, we also want democratic processes to take place in russia, internally, and we are fighting because this is our civilization. this is a dimension, a choice, and i am convinced that this is not just some kind of defeat with one part of russia. i think that not everyone in the west understands this, and it is necessary to constantly explain, i am right now in paris, where today, for example, we talked about one of the future resolutions, on which works on the return of prisoners of war, and just me. and at all discussions

, we discussed what the president's peace formula is, what peace there will be, what kind of plan, what are we ready for, and very often foreigners say that it is possible that we are ready to surrender some territories, but we say no, we are not ready to surrender territories, and i am convinced that there are no points in our plan of volodymyr zelenskyi. those secret ones, where we hand over something, the only idea and purpose is to keep the points secret so that it really doesn't break. we know that the success of kurdish operation and our other military operations precisely in the fact that a very limited number of people knew about it, and yes, we may not like it, because we ukrainians always want to know all the information, but if we talk about professionalism and about the result, then there is no need for everyone

to know about everything... we will find out about everything based on the results, and god forbid that we should be successful in carrying out what we want to protect ukraine. thank you, ms. elizaveta, well, let's hope that after the presentation of this victory plan, promised by yarmak, we will have less more questions than now, because now there is only one big question, a question mark, and it is not clear, there are no answers, and there are no answers yet... as to whether new taxes will be introduced from october 1, 24, which have not yet been approved in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, yaroslav zheleznyak said about this, that these tax changes will be approved in october, and from the first of october they will be introduced post facto, ms. yulia, what do you say about this? because the topic of taxes has taken a back seat, and it is not clear, we will... pay more to

budget, we will not pay when we will, whether from october 1 or january 1, is it correct to introduce these taxes retroactively, eh? well, actually speaking, the draft law has not yet been adopted, if it is presented, it will be in a week, two, three, if it receives enough votes and is voted on, then these taxes will be introduced, but i want to remind you that taxes are not retroactively introduced, since october 1, for sure, no one will pay these taxes, because it simply contradicts the current legislation, therefore, let's see in what form and in which edits there are a lot of edits. which will be brought to the hall itself, what will be voted on and after that we can say what taxes will be introduced, if you remember, we were talking about 5% of the military levy, including for fops, an increase to 5%, and also there there is still a certain

list of these taxes, let's see what will really come of it, well, there are taxes on health insurance, on financial institutions. rather than a tax increase, is it there, are there those resources that can be attracted to the budget, but they are now are in the extra-budgetary sphere, well, for example, at customs, and not only at customs, of course, this is one of the most problematic points in ukraine, and this... really , maybe there could be a golden bottom, if it wasn't, let's say yes, it was not sprayed in the pockets of customs officers and those who stand above customs officers of their roofs, it has always been, and unfortunately, even a war, a full-scale war could not change those of this situation at

customs, and until now we only see so only cautious attempts to change something like that, although to the original... there are no changes yet, but the most important thing is that businesses close to the president's, for example, ihorka, were not affected, yes, especially online online gambling, according to various estimates, the annual turnover of online casinos is from uah 150 to 200 billion, and the cabinet of ministers has not yet installed an online monitoring system, circulation of those ... casinos, and therefore there are only approximate estimates now, since investments there are minimal, profits there are maximum, these are excess profits, then it is clear that during the period of martial law, it would be possible to introduce fairly serious taxes, fees from the circulation of

online casinos , they would not suffer much, and simply then it could block all questions at once. who today are trying to hang on fops, on small businesses, on citizens of ukraine, on ordinary people, because they are the ones who will pay for all this out of their pockets, and it would be possible to bring order to the market of tyutsiun circulation and eliminate its illegal part, although there are also certain the interests of people close to the government and the president's office, so you can talk there for a very long time and european solidarity has offered more than once, and now during the discussion of this draft law on taxation, real sources of income, but for this, it is necessary for some interested persons, including those close to the current government

, to significantly move forward, but they cannot move forward, so ukrainians, ordinary ukrainians, small and medium-sized businesses will pay for everything. thank you, mrs. elizaveta, literally. 30 seconds is on the air, can you tell me if you are still looking for other sources of revenue for the budget besides taxes? increase? unequivocal, unequivocally, this is our foreign aid, financial, and the european union and our other partners help us a lot. thank you, ms. elizaveta, elizaveta yasko, yulia klymenko and volodymyr rariev were guests of our program today. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program. let me remind you that throughout the entire broadcast we are conducting. poll friends, and we're wrapping up this poll, we're asking you this, do you expect the united states of america to give you a long-range permit at the next ramstein on october 12th, so 50% expect, 50% nift-fift. that's it, friends, let's put an end to it, it was a verdict program

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positions that are simply impossible to obtain further, this is where i am talking about ughledar, which we have repeatedly mentioned in our publications, and here the situation is changing quite quickly, in the morning we saw a message from the general staff that in this direction the enemy had carried out eight assaults attacks in the direction of the coal miner. used aviation and assault aviation, bomber aviation, during the day we already saw various reports that the enemy had entered ughledar from the west and from the south there were videos of the enemy, where the enemy is moving around this populated area point, and for now we can say that the russian troops are in the center of vogledar, but one way or another... there are rearguard battles, that is, battles when the units

carry out the planned retreat of the occupied positions, we know that for more than two years, more precisely, in fact, for two years, one month and 15 days, ughledar was defended by the 72nd separate mechanized brigade, which is currently taking measures to withdraw from this settlement, so far... that there was no official confirmation from the general staff and there probably won't be any, but in any case we understand that the enemy sought, as we know, from the west and from the east to secure the encirclement. our contingent, our brigade in this place, in this enemy did not succeed, although we know that now it is extremely difficult to withdraw to bogoyavlenivka, this is precisely one of the routes along which the withdrawal is carried out together with certain routes on dirt roads, and there the enemy is trying to exert fire pressure on our forces, but in

any case we can talk about the fact that during this time... the 72nd brigade demonstrated i repeat, well, the man’s courage is a miracle, holding this difficult bridgehead, of course we now have to say what can happen next, well, in any case, after the capture of the coal mine by the enemy, when it is finally there, our troops will completely withdraw, because holding it now it is really simply impossible, the defense collapse does not occur. because in the area of ​​novoukrainka and bogoyavlenka, bogoyavlenivka is the next defensive line, and to improve the situation, it is necessary to withdraw the troops in a planned manner, regroup and continue and hold the defense. of course, it is worse to hold defense there in those conditions where there is now a new line of defense, because we

are actually going beyond the boundaries of the urban development, and then autumn and winter, and usually in such conditions , of course, it is better. to be in the cities and not in the field, we also know that in any case the control of the coal mine will lead to an improvement in the enemy's logistics, if he will carry out the work of the railway there through volnuvakh, this will just make it easier for the enemy to supply the troops of the dnipro and the east, it's the same one of the challenges that now appears after the change on the battlefield, but... in that case, we understand that this is not the last battle, not the last battle, and we have to draw certain conclusions, why exactly this happened, when for two years this bridgehead was obtained, and then starting somewhere on august 30 everything began to deteriorate, of course we can talk about the superiority of the enemy's forces, when we talk about adventures, the enemy's advantage was one to 5 against one of our

brigades there were five russian brigades, but if we count the number of personnel there and... then the advantage was 1 to 10, a sometimes 1 to 12, this is the advantage that affected precisely these constant assaults, the exhaustion of our troops, there is also the advantage of the enemy in artillery, in cabs, all this we know, but in any case what i said last time , it is necessary to draw conclusions on how to counteract the russian flank encirclement, because this has already become such, well, a constant example, which is repeated from time to time for many. section of the front, the question of strengthening our units in a timely manner, the question of personnel policy, the change of brigade commanders at a crucial moment, all this, of course, is not contributed to effective defense measures, in any case there are many questions, but we understand that the fighters of the 72nd brigade completed their task, and in any case it will be an example of how to ensure the defense

of such difficult areas of the front, at this time we we know that, among other things... the consequences of the retreat from ogledar are exactly delays in the supply of our weapons, delays in mobilization and other measures that affected the potential of our brigades on the front line, and today we know that the minister of defense carried out the decision to replace a number of deputies the minister of defense out of four deputy ministers, the cabinet supported the dismissal and replacement of two. i think that this story will be continued, and also the minister of defense announced that there will be improvements and changes related to the purchase of weapons, in particular, there will be special exporters, in particular, special technical export, which was in the main intelligence department, will be transferred under the roof of the ministry of defense, there will also be improved work of the defense procurement agency, which

procures weapons from our partners abroad and from our manufacturers, and also supervision will be created. to the board in the defense procurement agency and in the structure that is responsible for the procurement of non-military property, but in any case the supervisory board is only one of the elements of improvement, in my opinion, sometimes it is not decisive, and now pavlo verkhnyatsky is joining us, he is the director and managing partner of the ukrainian company kosa, co-coordinator of the working group on security and aerospace issues. for the american-ukrainian business council. mr. pavle, welcome to the espresso channel. greetings serhiy. i spoke there for a long time at first about the importance of purchasing weapons from our partners. and our manufacturers, but this week in kyiv there are a number of such events that are not public, but which are extremely important, these are meetings between foreign

arms manufacturers, our manufacturers, in order to find points of contact in a new format, i also know that your literally yesterday, the company held such a somewhat confidential event with the participation of the ministry of technology and industry, the ministry of defense, and ukrainian foreign companies, where... the prospects for cooperation, but such measures were held last year, within last year, at the end of last year and now, can we say that there are some positive dynamics and results in the interaction between ukrainian, and in particular american defense companies, precisely because these events are held consecutively several times already, we can say with confidence that there is some progress, maybe... it is not as fast as we would like, but for sure, firstly, quantitatively, banally quantitatively more participants arrived in ukraine for these events,

foreign participants, i.e. more companies more company representatives, and secondly, in a qualitative sense, we see that the companies that arrived here a year or a year and a half ago are already making some progress. from cooperation with ukrainian partners, and some, well, some declare the opening of offices there and so on, some actually act, create something already here, jointly develop products, foreign colleagues with ukrainian partners, and there is joint production, there are serious contracts, which in principle were announced publicly earlier, and there are a number of non-public ones. e projects that, well, we know about, and they are quite good are moving, and well, repair, repair projects,

they are implemented the fastest, in principle, they are more or less there, but there is still a question of high-tech, high-tech aspect, where not everything is ready to be handed over to us by partners, so that we can even simply repair high-tech equipment. there are still limitations in the aspect of technology transfer from partners to us. however, there are some changes here as well, i recently attended a conference, specifically on technological aspects in the united states, and our partners clearly understand that the pace and their production do not... meet modern challenges, and in order to speed up these paces, it is not necessary to produce everything at home, not everything in

the country, and they have a certain willingness to cooperate with partners around the world, including ukraine, and this means, in turn, that they are ready to gradually relax regulations in the aspect of technology transfer, these are serious steps, because... these changes have not happened for about 30 years, probably. and when we talk about the problems that most concern american companies targeting the ukrainian market. you say that there are certain restrictions on the transfer of technology, and other risks, including physical security there, control of legal ownership, cooperation there or, on the contrary, non-cooperation with our law enforcement agencies, which can create problems for working with... them enterprises, these challenges, how seriously they concern our foreign partners? the security challenge, in terms of potential attacks on enterprises that

could be built or on existing facilities, that's the first thing they think about, well, the first thing after technology transfer, because there's still a certain well, for example, the americans generally have a very difficult time with the transfer of technology. and they just recently significantly simplified the so-called regulations for their allies britain and australia, that is, even for their closest allies, they simplified it literally recently, so that's the biggest question. i casually said, yes, this is a problem, because uh, nobody wants to build some serious production, so that later. where it flew and so on, and purely such specific risks as interaction with

law enforcement agencies, conditional corruption there and so on. to be honest, i don't even hear any warnings about these from partners anymore, i really don't hear them in conversations, i don't hear that it's some kind of big problem, there is a certain bureaucratic history, where from our side not everything can move quickly there for adaptation ours, our regulatory framework under their regulations, but well, it's a two-way street, in fact there is also... from their side there is something, from the partner side there is something to be done to simplify cooperation in ukraine, for them the bigger problem is not yet understanding that , how big a market it will be and to what extent, from ukraine's point of view, the products produced here can then be sold to third countries. when we talk about the transfer of technology, the difficulties with this process, so to say, here are our expectations there, that we will come to the americans, we will agree with them to take

s... and we will have a new missile much faster than we will do it our own way, so this is actually more of a dream than reality, so far it looks like, well, in the context that you said, i don't really believe in the realism, the realism of this idea, but... although we see some common projects on potential joint production, which is also high-tech and in principle, although this product has been there for decades, it is not really a new product, eh, there are still some difficulties, but there is also progress, i can't go into detail there, but some things are moving forward, there is more or less agreement,

agreement from... happens, but in complex things, such as missile technology, well, conversations are going on, projects are being developed, everyone knows about the public case with frankensam, here too, unfortunately, i apologize, without details, but these are already examples of cooperation, there are other examples that it is probably better not to voice them, but they are there, i apologize for not detailing them. yes, but movement, movement in this direction also exists, well, but when we talk about movement, the impression is that the movement of european companies is faster than the movement, faster than the movement from the united states, in particular denmark, that country , which, relatively speaking, purchases ukrainian-made equipment for the armed forces with its own funds and with the proceeds of russian

money. about 400 million will also be directed to ukrainian defense enterprises for ukrainian production equipment for the needs of the armed forces. for the united states, this option is possible for them, or is this not actually a model that can be implemented in bilateral relations? the united states has declared that funds will be allocated for the purchase of ukrainian weapons, not even that, the wording is that funds will be allocated. in support of the ukrainian defense industry, ah, the last time we asked how exactly this mechanism will be implemented, and there was a question at a high level, we have not received an answer yet, but i know that there are individual negotiations of individual...