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the ministry of defense of ukraine has removed several deputies and the state secretary of the ministry of defense, well , in fact, this is an extremely serious rotation, especially considering the fact that this team is relatively new. yes, we understand that the minister of defense rustem umyerov came, well, he worked for about a year, probably in the position, that is, his predecessor, minister reznikov, worked significantly longer, and there are such significant changes, and they explain to us that, of course, for optimization, they change people for a position. well, but this is a traditional explanation for all time, yes, if they don’t want to point out one or another, maybe mistakes, maybe we don’t know something, well, the key story is which people will enter these positions, for example, the position of state secretary of the ministry of defense, this you are very serious, well , in fact, war requires very quick decisions, and i think that those people who are ... resigning from their positions, deputy

ministers of defense during war, are for this objective and important reasons, because there is no time to learn, especially in such positions, the ministry of defense, it ensures the activity of the armed forces of ukraine, that is , how our soldiers will be provided with weapons, ammunition, and fraud depends on its effectiveness, on the effectiveness of the minister and his deputies etc., because of that. not everything is so clear, not everything is as positive as we would like, that is why such drastic movements are made, i think that this is not the last personnel change, and this should not be surprising, but it is important, mr. antin, you are right ask the question of who will replace them, it is very important that the government draws conclusions from mistakes, i.e. appoint those people who have managerial experience. statesman, because these are

very serious positions, and the ministry of defense plays a decisive role today, we can see this in the budget process, we can see it in other things that are happening, including at the tsk, in which i have the honor to work, in which commission i have the honor to work , there, too, many questions arise regarding the coordination role of the ministry of defense, well, we understand that they are not only ministry. not only, sorry, provides the armed forces of ukraine, it is also under his command, for example, there is the main intelligence department under the ministry of defense, yes, well, several deputies of the head of the guru of ukraine, general kyryl budanov, were removed, yes, well, according to journalistic gossip, which were published, so that even general budanov was not fully informed that such a decision would be made, and now there are also certain speculations about the possible resignation of the head of... the main intelligence department,

we understand that, well, maybe this information is partly confidential or secret, but maybe you can say something on our live broadcast, as far as i know, personnel changes have taken place in external intelligence, deputies have changed there, what about budanov, they are there are various rumors, but general budanov has combat experience, and i think that... the supreme commander, the president of our country, appreciates his merits, but the fate of the military is such, people in the ranks, that they do not discuss orders, decrees, but carry them out , due to the fact that, i think, the leadership of the state, if such a decision is made, it is very important that it be a decision in favor of the strengthening of the guru's activity, because today the main thing is to be accepted. it has serious achievements, both

inside our country and abroad, because almost no special operation is carried out outside our country. cannot do without the specialists of the main intelligence department, we see their successes together with the security service at sea, we see their successes in sabotage activities on enemy territory, and this is a very difficult and difficult job, because a large number of foreign military intelligence, as well as guru, they are undercover today. under agent cover are on the territory of the aggressor state, performing a combat mission, because of this it is an extremely important service, and regarding personnel changes, i do not have such official information regarding gurus. mr. mykhailo, your

colleague, people's deputy roman kostenko, says that the pace of mobilization in ukraine has decreased, and says that compared to previous months, we need to catch up. to take this number, radical measures are needed, he he expressed this opinion in one of the interviews, and also in his opinion, the measures can be lowering the conscription age, or, for example, motivating different categories of the population to sign a contract. on the other hand, zelenskyi says that we have staffed brigades that have nothing to give, that is, there is not a sufficient amount of weapons, and accordingly, is it appropriate to increase the pace of mobilization now against the background of the fact that we do not have the opportunity. to provide them with weapons and everything necessary, what is zelensky talking about? well, it is difficult for me to comment on roman's words kostenko, he is the secretary of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, he knows more, what i know, i also communicate with the military and with the military

leadership, so today, yes, there is a somewhat reduced rate of mobilization, but you are right they said, there is another thing that those... reptiles that are formed and are in training centers, there is not enough to equip them, weapons, ammunition, equipment, equipment, and this, we are waiting for help from our partners, who in the end recommended to strengthen the mobilization . now it is very done an important thing was the mandate of the president, as the supreme commander, and they gave the right to... military commanders, commanders of military units of the direction and subdivisions of the direction to select their personnel, without the tsk, why, because the tsk is still a soviet model, it is not yet reformed, we still need to go the other way, i think that this reform will still be

done, we see that recruiting centers, they partially fulfill a role, but there is a large number, a certain number of personnel, and i know this, to what happened to me... were demobilized for one reason or another, by family status, spent, as they say, civilian life, and realized that it is not theirs, the war continues, and they again want to return to their military unit, and the regulatory documents say yes, let's go to tsk, tsk directs you back to the training center, and from the training center you can be assigned anywhere, boys and girls don't go for it, they say no, i want my own unit, and such, such an opportunity... never existed before, now it is legislative, it is meant, under by a legal act, the government by resolution allowed leaders, commanders of military units to complete the personnel, it is meant without busses, yes, that is, volunteers, only, without yes, volunteers, including to lead the commander has the right to vlk, that is,

to check the state of health me, this will greatly simplify the recruitment, in terms of general mobilization, why has the pace decreased, because after all, the ministry of economy and cabins... in general has intensified the work of booking, and it is possible to book employees of certain structures, not only of the defense sector, but also of others, and a large number statistically, i saw these approximately a million, yes, more already, much more, still booked, and this, on the one hand, is a positive thing, because people can, have the right to work, pay taxes, develop the economy, and on the other hand. it is necessary to think about how to carry out a high-quality mobilization, i emphasize high-quality, because in the majority of shopping centers they simply carried out sorting, you need conditionally 100 people per subdivision, on the territory, and they looked for these 100 people in any way, took them there limited by their condition

health, as if the situation has already been corrected, regarding the lowering of the age mentioned by roman kostenko, this, this is the position... of the military, including representatives of our nato partners, they believe that, after all, they are younger people, they are more courageous, better in health. but we in the verkhovna rada are not considering such a possibility yet, i do not think that there will be 226, even with the position of the military in the parliament, moreover, we managed to reach an agreement with the military leadership, after all, to exclude any conscription, i.e. anyone, anyone, has primarily a limited number of suitable ones, and... only on request up to the age of 25, i.e.

a person can be called up as a volunteer, and of course those who have military experience, but up to the age of 25 those who have military experience is an extremely small number of people. mr. mykhailo, according to the directive of the ministry of defense of the general staff, which was made public, well, at least not completely, by people's deputy oleksiy goncharenko, that they will only be targeted. call men from 50 years old, so we understand that the tactical and technical characteristics a 26-year-old man and i don't know a 59-year-old man there, that is, they differ a little, in particular, when we talk about physical activity, well, in fact, i do not see such a directive, although i read in open mass media, as far as i know, and. .. there is no clear order in this direction, the law applies from 25 to 60 years, i

understand that there is such a vision, and the military teams themselves say that after 50, especially after 55, the physical condition does not always meet the requirements that exist today in the armed forces, especially on the front line, at zero. but eh armed forces and other military formations are not only a war zone. there are a large number of tasks performed by the military in relation to supplies, that is, logistics in general and other tasks in the rear units, because of this, people up to the age of 60 can perform tasks that are not always of combat order. because, so far, to what extent. it is known that tsc summons and sends summons to those who have not yet

turned 60 years old, because they are of conscription age, but what about, for example, now with the realities of catching those who evade in a criminal and cynical way, so we understand, well, what is the state the ministry of internal affairs is not rubber, although they have increased a certain number of school officers and so on, well, but still, that is, someone has to work on the same people, on the other hand, we understand that the level of the criminal situation in ukraine, to put it mildly, is not decreases significantly, accordingly, the same operas that are supposed to catch pickpockets, so they still have to catch evaders together, so to speak with certain fighters of territorial picking centers, that is, how the whole system works and or should work more precisely, it works so far in a complicated and imperfect way, because there was no such practice before, but the legal way... provides for if a person does not appear, after he was sent a summons, and there is

confirmation that he received or notified, then the person must be declared wanted, and then the national police officers are forced to act within the framework of the current legislation, the person is wanted, and there is another thing, according to which articles, and they really search for such people, as a rule, especially for. .. place of residence, because such, as it used to be that photos were hung on poles, the police wanted them, this is not practiced now, but the national police, like other law enforcement agencies, are empowered, including technical means, now it is much easier to do it through monitoring on mobile phones and other things, it is allowed to do it within the framework of an operational search case. that is, if a person is officially declared wanted, then it is possible to carry out, according to

the court's decision, i emphasize, such operational technical measures can be carried out. by the way, look, the other day there was information from representatives of the frankiv tcc that those who did not update their data are automatically wanted. then fedir vonislavskyi denied it, said that in fact no, those who are evading, they cannot be automatically wanted, because a certain one has to pass. and certain procedures, please explain to our viewers, dot all the dots, because now a lot of interpretations have started around this topic, well, i would like to start with the fact that if a person is... military obliged, he must definitely update your data in tsc. there are now several options, a reserve plus there, etc. through other resources, but one must fulfill one's duty. if a person has not done this within the prescribed period of time, tsc, now we know already centrally through the ministry of defense, they print summonses, and mail,

ukrposhta delivers. at the place of residence or registration of such a person, when the summons is served and the person does not appear within the specified period, then the tsc is obliged to refer to the court in order to impose a fine on such a person, after there is a court decision, a person has not paid such a fine, then the process of imposing an arrest on his property is initiated, if pis... after that the person does not appear again, his place of residence is unknown, then the materials are sent to the territorial body of the national police, and then it acts, that is, the national police acts in accordance with the current legislation, having opened operational search cases and announces an official search, where then it is visible on all bases, the border guards see that

this person is wanted , any policeman who stops the motor vehicle sees. because they have all the databases, maybe check if this person is wanted. the path is not easy, because of that, i advise all those who have not yet been declared wanted and have not passed, to update their data only because of an administrative fine, right? please, this will only be possible now due to an administrative fine, yes, because the reserve plus they still have to verify the relevant procedures in the shopping center and but we still have many people in the state who do not stand on... well, if a person is certain the conditions when a person must register for military service, all conscripts of conscription age, they those who work officially must be on the military register, he cannot get a job if he is not on the register, there is simply a certain part of people, you

are right, marta, that those who do not leave the house are not officially... do not work anywhere, and thus today they are in such a state vacuum, this is the wrong approach, because for such things later you will have to be responsible, because those boys who are on the front lines today, those boys who are today girls who protect our state , they have such a heightened sense justice, they also ask questions before us, before the authorities, before the legislators, why we... die here, someone sits at home and waits for a better time, a better time may come when there will be two options in society: or you fight , or you work, if you fight, you protect our country, if you officially work, you pay taxes and you finance

those people who today, but the model, the model that could be effective now, yes... we understand, well, you voiced a very correct formula, but we understand that there is our own specifics, you know, that is, there are some or other jobs that are critically important, and there are certain jobs, well, from which the economy can withstand, and at the same time there are strategically important enterprises, yes, to which we cannot, for example, count, i don’t know, those or other trade networks, or courier services, etc., that is, there are industries that are truly strategic, are strategic. here there are no questions at all, and only the ministry of stratprom, they determine the list of these enterprises, there are enterprises of critical infrastructure, which, by the way, should relate to such as your mass media, you also perform your line of information defense, and a large number is all and the communal sphere

of energy, without which the state cannot exist, but there is a large number of enterprises, you are right , which does not apply to defense, and not the second, but they work, they have jobs and pay taxes, and a white salary, and yes, a white salary, and without them the state will not survive, and now the biggest discussion is going on both in the verkhovna rada and in civil society , among the military, how to do economic reservation, what should be the criteria, because even private business is ready... the specialist a lot of money, because they understand that they will not complete the task, support the family, pay taxes, but the military reacts to it in different ways. because of this , the discussion has so far ended in nothing, and there were options and now it is being considered that 20,000 per employee should be paid monthly into a separately created fund, there is the fact that the salary should

be no less than 35,00 hryvnias per hand, and if you take how they say, in general, it is a larger amount, that is, legislative discussions are ongoing initiatives, but perhaps this is just a blurring of the problem, we understand when we cannot... implement this or that concept that the military may not like very much, well, let's not, so to speak, put all people's deputies on the same level, there is people are responsible, there are people, for example, irresponsible, and it can all go on like this, you know, fight, for another six months, a year, no, i will tell you that there is very little time, it is not, not talking, not talking about the topic, why, so that time pressures and economic situation pressures are real in our country. security sector and of defense is financed from the funds of ukrainian taxpayers, uh, and sorry, very little is being done by the government, and there is not

even a recipe yet for how to bring the economy out of the shadows, 30%, and it is not decreasing, and the very task of economic reservation, one of there should have been tasks to bring the economy out of the price so that it was profitable, i paid and i am not hiding, i work honestly and pay taxes, so far someone thinks that... this is the same redemption, only it was brought to the tsk or through some , but the amounts are not commensurate, and it ends up in someone's pocket if someone will contribute to the tsc, and this to the state budget, but i emphasize once again that now we are on the eve of raising taxes, because there is nowhere to take money when we are on the eve of what is a hole in the budget, so far in the project, but actually in the budget for the next year, it is almost 40 billion dollars, which is nowhere to be taken, and is not confirmed by our international representatives. partners, then we will be forced to look for funds somewhere, it is best to look for funds within the state, che 40 billion dollars, 40 billion dollars will be a hole,

these are unconfirmed funds, and this is a huge hole, that is, you know, it is like a black hole, well taking into account how much we are given, it turns out that we still lack 40 billion, i will tell you that in fact, we have to realize that today... the security and defense sector is the lion's share, it is precisely those 40 billion that were taken from the ministry in general from the social sphere, they were removed, they are not there yet, and we need to think about where to look for them, where to look, we clearly say, additionally tax the gambling business, we were promised when the law was passed that there would be 400 billion uah, so far we do not have such an amount of them per year, the next is the banking sector. which today earns refinancing, buying ovdp and selling them and having taxes, and living money, earnings,

the next thing we say about road luxury, for example, i ask, what about the luxury tax, well, there are some proposals, but these are small amounts, 40 billion hryvnias for roads , the minister of finance said that these... funds will not go to the roads, or rather all of them, because more than half is the repayment of debts of past years, obligations of state guarantees, this is not the right approach, we need to think about how to negotiate with those creditors, and the following, where else can be taken money by means of redistribution, we see that it is for the salaries of officials, all that needs to be removed and, mr. mykhailo, for this extremely important conversation on the live air of the tv channel, we want to remind our tv viewers that mykhailo tsimbalyuk, a people's deputy, was working for them now. reserve police lieutenant general of ukraine. we say for today: goodbye, see you tomorrow, see espresso.

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