at 18:10. goodbye. good evening. we are from ukraine.

today in the program is the verdict with serhiy rudenko, departure from ugledar due to a threat. surrounding units of the armed forces of ukraine are forced to leave another fortress city in donetsk region. why did the defense of a strategic settlement, which lasted for more than two years, collapse? a blatant act of aggression. the united states condemned iran's massive missile attack on israel. netanyahu threatens retaliation. what serious consequences can iran prepare? regime, the israeli army and its

allies the first bell: scholz is set to call putin ahead of the g20 summit in brazil, which the german chancellor can discuss with the russian dictator while nato is urged not to make concessions in the face of the kremlin's nuclear threats. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. throughout our program, we will have the following guests, in the first part of our program our program will include oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, he will join from strasbourg, general ihor romanenko and a political expert. volodymyr tsybulko. in

the second part of our program, which will start in an hour, we will have political experts maksym rozumny and oleg sahakyan. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of how ukrainian defenders in the kurakhiv direction repelled another assault of russian invaders. enemies went on the offensive with the support of 19 units of weapons and equipment, but the fighters of the 70th separate airborne assault brigade of the taurian brigade repelled a mass attack, they managed to destroy four tanks and two armored vehicles with the occupants, let's see how it all turned out.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast we conduct a survey, today we ask you about this, do you think? possible presidential elections in 2025, yes, no, on our youtube you can vote with the corresponding buttons yes, no, or write your comment about what you thinking about the possibility of such an election, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers if you think it is possible to hold a presidential election in the 25th year 0.800 211 71 no 0800 211 382. all

calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will summarize this vote. and we have ours on the line. guest oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, president of the parye committee on migration and refugees. he is currently in strasbourg. mr. oleksiu, i am you congratulations, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening. well, since we ask our tv viewers whether they think it is possible to hold presidential elections in the 25th year, as zaekonmist writes about it. what do you think about this, how likely is this scenario? well it's possible, but only if the hostilities end, so god forbid that scenario comes to fruition in terms of what it would mean for the hostilities to end, that's what we're all waiting for, so under those conditions it's possible, under the conditions of the introduction of hostilities, this

impossible, and no election in the current conditions, oops, sorry, please, the phone dropped, no election in the current conditions. it is impossible to bring either in accordance with the law or in accordance with mere physical possibility. yesterday, the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, mr. oleksiy, called for the introduction of sanctions against russian propagandists and russian state media, and does this mean that paria perceives the propagandists of the russian federation as accomplices of the committed war crimes. and that's exactly how, and that's exactly what he thinks, it was mine the amendment to the report on propaganda, and i thank my colleagues who supported it, and the amendment was supported unanimously, and then it was already adopted, as in the report, there another

amendment of mine was adopted regarding today and other russian propaganda media, what should be done specifically against them... european countries should act and should act, and this is very important, and for propagandists, specifically, some of them are listed there, such as simonyan, solovyov, skabeeva, it is very good that we name them by name, so that they understand that they have nowhere to go do not shirk responsibility. mr. oleksiy, please clarify, this resolution has a recommendatory nature for european countries, all, all resolutions. provisional nature, but these are still important resolutions, because, first of all, the paria recommendation is a serious recommendation, and secondly, these recommendations also form the basis of a decision of the european court of human rights, which can be of great importance for us, so we need to

raise these things, name them, and this is important. the new secretary general of the council of europe, alain berse, named ukraine in his speech at pare. priority of his work, as well as democracy and unity, to quote mr. berse. the council of europe should play an important role and a unique role for ukraine against the background of russian aggression. we must remain open and creative in order to support ukraine in its stability and recovery. mr. oleksiy, as in the current conditions at the current paré session: to what extent is the topic of ukraine and russia's war against ukraine in... the topic for the paré session, everything is absolutely a priority, to be honest, even already, well, some colleagues and even i sometimes think well, it's obvious that we are for, we are for for us, this is the main topic, but we need to leave it a little space for some other issues,

because in principle, the ukrainian topic dominates absolutely, the meeting has just ended, and i can tell you directly, as they say, from the heat of the moment, that it was approved. the resolution on ukrainian prisoners of war and captured civilians, a very important resolution, was prepared for the first time by my committee on the migration of refugees, i, as the president , directly reported on it, including just now, and i can say that it is a sufficiently powerful resolution, which contains specific steps, for example, a call to introduce personal sanctions against all those who are involved in deportation, torture, conviction and so on, in general, all criminal actions against our prisoners of war and members of their families and captured civilians, by the way, today in strasbourg there are several families of our captives and captured civilians , a special event was held on

the assembly grounds in order to draw attention to them telling their stories, our prisoner, who went to lenivka, told his... story, it's all very painful and touching hearts, and it is important that we report these things, yesterday, as we already said, there is also russian propaganda. gangsters are specifically mentioned tomorrow in the resolution and bets will recognize the holodomor as genocide, and also that it is very important for us not just to talk about history, but about the fact that, unfortunately, russia continues genocide, genocidal practices today, and this is important for us to prove, that what russia is doing in ukraine against ukrainians is genocide. well, as you can see, every day there are ukrainian questions, and also saints, and also various activities, are related, therefore, in principle. here we do everything so that the ukrainian theme dominates and it dominates. mr. oleksiy, against the background of what is currently

happening in strasbourg, the pare session is taking place, it became known about another crime of russia, about the shooting of 16 ukrainian prisoners of war in the pokrov direction, is there a reaction of the world community, that is, to these crimes, because what else... what russia is doing, it goes beyond any common sense, i'm not talking about international law, but no, they are barbarians, just some crazy barbarians, you can't call it anything else, we talked about it today precisely because it was about prisoners of war, as i told you, today a resolution was adopted in support of ukrainian prisoners of war and with certain recommendations for the member countries of the council of europe , how to facilitate their return home, what russia did yesterday... it's beyond the limit, well, in principle, unfortunately, like many things that it does, let's be

honest, the best thing that our partners could do today is to yes to help to ukraine to stop all this and to punish the criminals is to give us weapons to destroy them and without any restrictions, by the way, the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania also spoke in strasbourg today, and lithuania currently chairs the committee of ministers of the council of europe, and i... asked gabrielis ansberges whether there are any restrictions on the use of lithuanian weapons that lithuania provides us, and how he relates to any restrictions on the use of ukrainian weapons, and he clearly said that there are no restrictions on the use of lithuanian weapons, and we we have the right to use it anywhere on the territory of russia, as we deem necessary, and secondly, he said this, it seems to me an apt comparison, that when he understands all these restrictions and when they are introduced, this feeling... that russian assets are worried more , than for the ukrainian

victory and for the ukrainian result, those who introduce such restrictions, and therefore, well, this was also an important certain signal, i hope that other countries will follow the examples of lithuania and those countries that do not have any restrictions, and give the opportunity ukraine to use weapons as needed, because this is the most important thing, certainly on the margins of the council of europe, we also speak through the council of europe. it is planned to create the same special tribunal and other things, but this is taking a long time and we understand, i repeat, the main thing today is our army and how it is, what capabilities it has to not just stop the enemy, and destroy it. mr. oleksiyu, one of those politicians who are against granting ukraine the right to strike with long-range weapons, is the chancellor of germany. scholzide writes that the federal chancellor

is going to call putin on the eve of the big meeting of the g20 in brazil, and it is said that this will be the first conversation since december 22, that is, scholz did not talk to putin by phone for two years, and here is something like this conversation it has to happen that what does this mean in your opinion, does it mean that western... leaders and those leaders who support ukraine, including, are ready to talk, at least on the phone with putin, and what kind of conversation can scholz be ready for? well, first of all, there already is certain objections, we don't know if these talks will take place or if they are planned at all, but look, well, if they are planned, well, nothing like that, you know, to say, my god, here are the sholzons to putin, how is it, how is that possible? well, this is life, this is politics, this is international politics. if scholz has something to talk about with putin, he can call him. obviously, the main theme is

war. obviously, i wonder where these rumors are coming from, maybe, maybe not even rumors. the fact is that it seems that on october 10 there will be a meeting in berlin, where he flies by the last time as american president joseph biden, as far as i understand, to europe. and, well, as far as i understand, for the last time, he will welcome to europe precisely as the president, and he will have a meeting with scholz and macron. the british, maybe there will be someone there, we'll see, and they will talk, i understood that the main topic is ukraine, maybe it is precisely in the light of this that scholz wants to talk to putin, i don't know, in my opinion. there is no insider, i will repeat again, i am not even sure that such a conversation will take place, but there is no need to look for treason here for ukraine, putin, well that reality, putin controls the russian federation, i will not call him the president, obviously there are no elections there, he is a russian dictator there, and the world completely ignores him, as we would very much like,

of course, for the world to completely ignore him, well, but it is unreal on the first of october. iran launched a missile attack on israel and the pentagon called the attack a blatant act of aggression white house national security adviser jake salevan said iran would face serious consequences for its massive missile attack on israel on october 1, but not clarified with which ones. we've made it clear , says jake salevan, that there will be consequences, serious consequences, that we will work with israel. over making it a reality, the washington post quoted sullivan as saying. mr. oleksiy, what is being said in europe about the war in the middle east, and how is this topic, or whether you and this are a topic for a big serious conversation, well, we do not have time for it now, but it is obvious that

this fact cannot be ignored, that different attitude to our case, as they say, and so to the case. in this case israeli, secondly, regarding the war, it is obvious that there is already a war going on in the middle east, it is difficult to say how large-scale it will be, but the war is already going on, and seriously, in general, iran should have finally at least demonstrated something, because all their lighting of red lights , the red flags that they hang somewhere there, it has already become a kind of meme, well, they don't just look weak. and pitiful, that is, israel does everything that israel should do absolutely correctly, and by the way, today in israel they celebrate the new year roshashana, all the jews, who are we now look, congratulations on this holiday, i am proud of israel, the way it is acting now, destroying this evil, hezbollah, hamas, these are all proxies, iranian,

and therefore russian, they are all common, our enemy, so here we can only congratulate them with successful actions, and iran looks like a laughingstock. and that's why they finally decided to show something like that, well , they managed to do it, but the war is not growing there, what consequences will this have for ukraine? well , firstly, well, they are two-fold, on the one hand, yes, are you asking whether it is displaced in the headlines, supplants, and you should not deceive yourself here, we have much less in the headlines of world news now, and this is a fact, this is a problem, this is a separate topic, now another. or is it all bad we can expect? i don't think that we are expecting only the bad, well, i don't wish war on anyone and i don't want people to die anywhere, neither in the middle east, nor in ukraine, of course, first of all, nowhere, but you have to understand that if the war in the middle east there will be no great momentum, then on the one hand it will naturally prevent our allies from helping ukraine,

because their forces are not heavy and attention, well, not infinite, but on the other hand, it is very much needed in ukraine, because today ukraine is the best infantry in the world, if we talk specifically about the infantry, because we have, our the infantry has combat experience of the 21st century, well, compared to them, only russia can be, well, it is unpleasant to talk about them at all, well, but they also have this experience and also understand and also in battles, all others, even including the united states of america, of such a number. .. there is simply no infantry with such combat experience, such knowledge of modern warfare, and this is a colossal ukrainian asset, our property, and our strength, and the more unstable the world, the more this strength will be needed, so there may be different directions here, but we will see how events will unfold. at the very end of our conversation, there was

information that israel was naked. un secretary-general antonio guterres was defaced and banned from entering the country because guterres did not condemn iran's attack on israel. this was written on the internet by the former minister of foreign affairs of israel, israel kas. he writes the following: i have declared antónio guterres a persona nengrad in israel, banned him from entering the country, the one who cannot unequivocally condemn iran's heinous attack on israel, as almost everyone has done. countries of the world does not deserve to step on israeli land, and of course, this decision is sufficiently harsh on the part of the foreign ministry and israel, can israel in the current conditions, forgive the un, repeat the fate of the league of nations, because, well, we

see how is happening in the middle east, we see russia's aggressive attack on ukraine, and we see the absence, the absence effective mechanisms for bringing the aggressor countries to them, and the league of nations. time took such a significant step in the 39th year, when the ussr attacked finland, excluded this country from the league of nations, although, after the war, the league of nations was replaced by the united nations organization. how do you feel about this structure in the context of these criticisms that are coming, including from the side of israel towards the secretary general of the un. well, yes, israel is acting tough and doing the right thing, and this, by the way, is a very correct opinion for us. what is needed to act harshly, in general the world respects only force, but all this that we discussed with you demonstrates once again only one thing: only force is respected by the world, everything else can be

endlessly talked about and nothing will happen, and the un is an institution that talks, but in reality cannot do much, i do not reject them from the point of view, of course, ukraine should use this as a platform, of course, this is also one of the tools, and this war is on the diplomatic side. but you don't have to hope for one, hope for anyone at all, you have to hope to build a strong state only on ourselves, and we, this is the only guarantee that we will exist. thank you, mr. oleksiy, for the conversation, it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine from strasbourg, where the session of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe is taking place. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms. on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey, today we ask you this, do you think

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withdraws its troops from the coal mine, as the flanking attacks of the enemy have exhausted the defense of units of the armed forces of ukraine. this was reported in the command of the khortyts troop group. i will quote the official message. high command at... permission was granted to carry out a maneuver to withdraw units from the coal mine in order to preserve personnel and combat equipment, to take up positions for further actions. the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine has already excluded from its daily summaries the battles for ughledar, the capture of which, well, it was already reported. why, mr. general, did the defense of a strategic settlement that was being held fall. more than two years, more than a year and a half, because the enemy managed to concentrate

a powerful grouping of troops in this direction, in the last few weeks they increased it and were reinforced by three brigades, in addition to more than 5 thousand military personnel, concentrated the means of application in... they began to advance in fact to the rear and the eastern flank, this is the vodyanyi district, they gradually crossed over, captured mine number one, and then mine number three, so they attacked along the front and added the direction of offensive actions from the west, in such conditions. those personnel who performed the tasks of the 72nd brigade, which was not there, did not have the resources and reserves to strengthen them, so there was.

can be seen in the organization of the introduction of hostilities, to the dynamics that unfolded already directly in the city itself, because they entered it from the east and from the south and then advanced to the center, it was clear that an appropriate decision had to be made, and this decision was primarily related to the laws of war , in that it is definitely necessary to defend some settlement. some fortresses and all that, but if the troops are saved, despite the fact that these points are left, then you can fight further taking this into account, and also that this execution of this maneuver is very difficult, which carry out in the conditions of the introduction of hostilities in the city, and the introduction of rear-guard battles will

still save the majority in... the military had to leave with fewer losses, this is firstly, and secondly, it means that the enemy would not just attack the city, but he thought the matter through and tried to attack the lines that were 8.9 km to the north, the bank of yavllenko, that is, those lines where these troops were supposed to go, perhaps additional ones there, which would then allow to stop further. the advance of the enemy after capturing the coal, because in we had a negative, as we remember, experience of this kind of actions, when the enemy captured avdiivka, which means, without stopping, began to advance further, in the same way the capture of chereto took place, they used a rotational issue, and now we have the enemy's advance in

the pokrov direction. this experience was, by the way, in google dar itself, or rather, a watery, watery, as, which was discussed, in the east, er, the capture of this city, this defensive, er, region, district, er, unfortunately, took place according to, therefore, information from the military themselves at the expense of the fact that again the enemy used the rotational process, moreover, that was announced by our deputy marjana bezula, and after that, literally a few hours later, they concentrated the blows, the means of destruction there, and also additionally transferred forces and captured it, despite the fact that that there were concrete structures and so on, which is generally unacceptable at the level of a member

of the verkhovna rada... ours behaved in this way, and it was not the first time, but now, apparently, it had already happened, if on the verge, and it is necessary to study the extent to which the requirements were violated of the relevant legislation, because such information was transmitted, which was used by the enemy, and we had serious consequences, with all approaches is connected with the responsibility of any person, and even more so... er, a people's deputy for such events. on the eve of the withdrawal of the armed forces of ukraine from ugledar, the head of the donetsk regional military administration , vadym filashkin, said on the air of the one news telethon that, despite hostilities within the city, there are still more than 100 residents of ugledar. let's hear what he said.