smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers if you think it is possible to hold presidential elections in the 25th year 0800-211381, not 08021382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. and we have our first guest on the phone, this is oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, president of the committee on migration and refugees. he is currently in strasbourg. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening. well, since we ask ours tv viewers about whether they think it is possible to hold presidential elections in the 25th year, as the economist writes about it. what do you think about this, how likely is this scenario? this is possible, but only on the condition that hostilities end. so god forbid. for

this scenario to come true in terms of what it would mean for the end of hostilities, that's what we're all waiting for, so under these conditions it's possible, under the conditions of hostilities it's not possible, and no election under the current conditions, oops, sorry please phone dropped it is impossible to hold any elections in the current conditions, neither in accordance with the law, nor in accordance with simple physics'. yesterday , the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, mr. oleksiy, called for the introduction of sanctions against russian propagandists and russian state media, and does this mean that pare perceives the propagandists of the russian federation as accomplices in the war crimes committed by putin? namely so, and it is considered so.

was my amendment to the propaganda report and i thank my colleagues very much who seconded it and the amendment was carried unanimously and then it was already accepted as reports, there one more of my corrections was accepted regarding rush today and other russian propaganda media, that it is necessary to act specifically against them and european countries should act, that is very important, and about... skabeeva , it is very good that we call them by their names so that they understand that they cannot escape responsibility. mr. oleksiy, please clarify, this resolution has a recommendatory nature for european countries. all, all resolutions are advisory in nature, but that's all important resolutions because, first of all, pariah's recommendation is serious. secondly,

these recommendations also form the basis of the decision of the european court of human rights, which can be of great importance for us, so we need to raise these things, name them, and this is important. the new secretary general of the council of europe, alain berse, in his speech at pare, called ukraine a priority of his work, as well as democracy and unity. i will quote mr. barse. the council of europe has to play an important role and a unique role for ukraine against the russian background aggression, we must remain open and creative in order to support ukraine in its stability and recovery. mr. oleksiy, in the current conditions at the current paré session, to what extent is the topic of ukraine and russia's war against ukraine a priority for the paré session? absolute priority. saying, even already, well

, some colleagues and even i sometimes think, well , it is obvious that for us, for us, this is the most important topic, but it is necessary to leave it a little space for some other issues, because in principle, the ukrainian topic dominates absolutely, only that the meeting is over, and i can tell you directly, as they say, out of dust and heat to announce that the resolution on ukrainian prisoners of war and captured civilians was approved , it is very important... for the first time, my committee prepared the issue of refugee migration, i, as its president, directly, including only that reported, and i can say that this is a powerful enough resolution, in which there are concrete steps, for example, a call to introduce personal sanctions against all those who are involved in deportation, torture, removal, conviction and so on, in general, all criminal actions against our prisoners of war and members of their... families and captured civilians,

by the way, several families of our captured and captured civilians are present in strasbourg today, a special event was held. in the fields of the assembly in order to draw attention to tell their stories, our prisoner who went to olenivka told his story, it's all very painful and touches the heart, and it 's important that we report these things, yesterday, as we have already said, propaganda and russian propagandists are specifically mentioned there, tomorrow the resolution will recognize the holodomor as genocide, and also, what is very important for us , it will not just be about history, but about the fact that, unfortunately, russia continues genocide, genocidal practices today, and this is important for us to prove that what russia is doing in ukraine is against ukrainians it's genocide, well, as you can see, every day there are ukrainian issues, as well as speeches, and various events are related,

so in principle, well, here we do everything so that the ukrainian theme dominates, and it dominates, mr. oleksiy, on. .. against the background of what is currently happening in strasbourg, the session is happening pare session, it became known about another crime of russia, about the shooting of 16 ukrainian prisoners of war in the pokrov direction, is there now a reaction of the world community, that is , to these crimes, because what russia is doing goes beyond the scope of any common sense, i'm not talking about the international community. one right, but no, well, they are barbarians, just some crazy barbarians, you can't call it anything else, we talked about it today, precisely because it was about prisoners of war, as i told you, the resolution adopted today in support of ukrainian prisoners of war, with certain recommendations for the member countries

of the council of europe, how to facilitate their return home, what russia did yesterday is beyond the limit, well, in principle, unfortunately, a lot of what it does, let's be from... the best thing our partners could do today to help ukraine stop all this and punish the criminals is to give us weapons to destroy them and without any restrictions, by the way, today in strasbourg he spoke also the minister of foreign affairs lithuania, and lithuania currently chairs the committee of ministers of the council of europe, and i asked gabrieles alsberges, are there any restrictions on the use of lithuanian weapons? that lithuania provides us, and how he generally relates to any restrictions on the use of ukrainian weapons, and he clearly said that there are no restrictions on the use of lithuanian weapons, and we have the right to use them anywhere on the territory of russia, as we deem necessary. and the second he said this, i think it's an apt

comparison that when he understands all these restrictions and when they are introduced, there is a feeling that russian assets are more worried than ukrainian victory and ukraine. the result is those who introduce such restrictions, and therefore, well, this was also an important certain signal, i hope that other countries will follow the example of lithuania and those countries that do not have any restrictions, and give ukraine the opportunity to use weapons as needed, therefore that this is the most important thing, of course, on the margins of the council of europe, we speak through the council of europe, where it is planned to create the same special tribunal, and others things, but this... it's been a long time, and we understand, i repeat, the main thing today is our army and how it is, what capabilities it has to not just stop the enemy, but to destroy it. mr. oleksiyu, one of those politicians who are against giving

ukraine the right to strike with long-range weapons is german chancellor olaf scholz. dietzsite writes that the federal chancellor is on the eve of a big meeting. in brazil is going to call putin, and it is said that this will be the first conversation since december 22, that is, two years scholz has not talked on the phone with putin, and it seems that such a conversation should take place, that what does this mean in your opinion, it means that western leaders and those leaders who support ukraine, including, are ready for a conversation. at least on the phone with putin, and what kind of conversation can a schalz be ready for? well, first of all, there are already certain objections, we do not know whether this conversation will take place or whether it is planned at all, but look, well, if it is planned, well , there is nothing like that, you know, to say: my god, there is scholz calling putin, as there, as so

it is possible, well, this is life, this is politics, this is international politics, if scholz has something to talk about with putin, he can call him, and it is obvious that the main topic is war. it is obvious that i think where these rumors come from, maybe and maybe not rumors, the fact is that it seems that on october 10 there will be a meeting in berlin, where america will fly for the last time. whom president joseph biden, as far as i understand, to europe, and well, as far as i understand, he will welcome to europe for the last time precisely as the president, and there will be a meeting with him scholz, macron, the british, maybe there will be someone there, we will see, and they will talk, i understand that the main topic is ukraine, maybe it is precisely in the light of this that scholz wants to talk to putin, i don’t know, i have no insight, i will repeat again , i am not even sure that such a conversation will take place, but there is no need to look here for ukraine. treason, what a fool putin is, well, this is reality, putin controls the russian

federation, he will not be called the president, it is obvious that there are no elections there, he is a russian dictator there, and his world completely, as much as we would like it, of course, for the world to completely ignore it, but that is unrealistic. on october 1, iran attacked israel with missiles, and the pentagon called this ... such a blatant act of aggression , white house national security adviser jake salevan said that iran will face serious consequences for its large-scale missile attack on israel on october 1, but did not specify what exactly. we've made it clear, says jake salevan, that there will be consequences, serious consequences, and we will work with israel to make that happen reality, the washington post quotes sullivan as saying. sir oleksiy, what is being said in europe about the war in the middle east and how this topic, whether it

is displacing the topic of the russian ukrainian war from the front pages of european publications, and how likely is it that a war will unfold in the middle east, not just shelling, but a full-fledged large-scale war. you asked several questions at once, so let's go through them one by one. first, i want to draw your attention. ukraine, there was the same reaction of the united states, we are being shelled every day, and to help us defeat it not just by providing weapons, but physically, as the usa, great britain, and france are doing now, their armed forces took part in repelling this attack, at the same time that we all understand. with you, that iran is not russia, absolutely incomparable forces, that's it,

but unfortunately there is no such thing, and this, this is a huge problem and question, but it is also a topic for a big serious conversation, well, we don't have time for it now, but it is obvious that this fact should not be noted it is impossible that there is a different attitude to our case, as they say, and to the case of this israeli case, secondly, regarding the war, it is obvious that there is already a war in... the middle east, it is difficult to say how wide-scale it will become, but the war is already going on, and seriously, in general, iran should have finally at least demonstrated something, because all their lighting of red lights, red flags that they hang somewhere there, it has already become some kind of meme, well, they look not just weak, but pathetic , that is, israel does everything that israel should do is absolutely correct and... i congratulate, by the way, today in israel they celebrate the new year roshashana, all the jews who are watching us now, i congratulate you on this

holiday, i am proud of israel, the way it is acting now , destroying this evil. hezbollah, hamas, these are all iranian proxies, and therefore also russian, they are all our common enemy, so here we can only congratulate them on their successful actions, and iran looks like a laughing stock, and that is why they finally decided, so they have something to show, well so they managed to do it, but... the war is escalating there, what consequences will this have for ukraine? well, firstly, they are twofold, on the one hand, yes, you or you are asking whether it is being pushed out in the headlines, is being pushed out, and you should not deceive yourself here, we have much less in the headlines of world news now, and this is a fact, this is a problem, this is a separate topic, now the second one, can we expect anything but bad things, i don’t think that we can only expect bad things, well, i don’t wish war on anyone and... i don’t want people to die anywhere, neither in the middle east, nor in ukraine, of course, primarily nowhere, but

it must be understood that if the war in the middle east does not gain momentum, then on the one hand it will naturally prevent our allies from helping ukraine, because their forces are not as well as attention, well not infinite, but on the other hand it will greatly increase the need for ukraine, because today ukraine is the best infantry. and the world, if we talk specifically about the infantry, because we have, our infantry has combat experience of the 21st century, well, only russia can be compared to us, well, it's unpleasant. to talk about them at all, well, but they also have this experience and also understand and also in battles, all others, even including the united states of america, such a number of infantry with such combat experience, with such knowledge of modern warfare simply does not exist, and this is a colossal ukrainian asset, our asset and our strength, and the more unstable

the world, the more of this force will be needed, so there may be different ones. directions, but we will see how events will unfold. at the very end of our conversation, information appeared that israel declared un secretary general antonio guterres a persona nongrata and banned him from entering country, because guterres did not condemn iran's attack on israel, israeli foreign minister israel kass wrote about it on the x network, he writes the following: i announced. antónio guterres, lengrat's persona in israel, has banned him from entering the country, anyone who cannot unequivocally condemn iran's heinous attack on israel, as almost every country in the world has done, does not deserve to enter israeli soil, and well of course, this decision is tough enough on the part of the ministry of foreign affairs and israel, or can

israel in the current conditions? donate to the un to repeat the fate of the league of nations, because we see what is happening in the middle east, we see russia's aggressive attack on ukraine, and we see the absence, the absence of effective mechanisms to bring the aggressor countries to their senses, and the league of nations at one time made such a powerful step in the 39th year, when the ussr attacked finland, excluded. this country from the league of nations, however, after the war, the league of nations was replaced by the united nations organization. how do you feel about this structure so far in the context of these criticisms that are going on? including from israel to the un secretary general. yes, israel is acting tough and doing the right thing, and this, by the way, is a very good example for us to

act tough. in general, the world respects only strength. that's all, all that we discussed with you. once again, i would like to point out only one thing: only the villages are respected by the world, everything else can have endless conversations and nothing will happen, and the un is an institution that conducts conversations, but in reality it cannot do much, i do not reject them from the point of view, of course, ukraine should use it as a playground of course, this is also one of the tools, and this war is also being waged on the diplomatic front, but it is not necessary to hope for it, to hope for anyone at all, you have to... rely only on yourself and on building a strong state, this is the only guarantee that that we will exist. thank you, mr. oleksiy, for the conversation, it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine from strasbourg, where the session of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe is taking place. friends, we continue our work live on the tv channel, as well as on our

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mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. well, first of all , let's start our conversation with the situation around ugledar, ukraine withdraws troops from voledar, because the enemy's flank strikes exhausted the defense of units of the armed forces of ukraine. this was reported in the command of the khortyts troop group. i will quote the official message. the higher command has given permission to carry out a maneuver to withdraw units from the coal mine with the aim of... personnel and combat equipment, taking up positions for further actions. the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine has already excluded from its daily summaries of the battle for ugledar about... about the capture of which, well, actually they already reported why, mr. general, the defense of the strategic of the settlement, which lasted for more than two

years, more than one and a half years, because the enemy managed to concentrate a powerful grouping of troops in this direction, in the last few weeks they... increased and reinforced it with three brigades, additionally more than 5 thousand military personnel, concentrated the means of inflicting damage, ammunition, and began to advance, in fact to the rear and the eastern flank, this is the vodianov district, they gradually crossed over, captured mine number one, and then mine number three. also attacked along the front and added a direction of offensive actions from the west, v under such conditions, the personnel who

performed the tasks of the 72nd brigade, which was not there, did not have resources and reserves, to strengthen them, which means that it was visible from the organization of the introduction of hostilities according to the dynamics that unfolded already without... in the very place, because they entered it from the east and the south, and further advanced towards the center, it was clear that an appropriate decision had to be made, and this decision was primarily connected, as it were, to the laws of war, in the fact that it was absolutely necessary to defend some settlements, some fortresses, everything else, but if the troops are saved no... despite the fact that these points are left, then you can continue to fight taking this into account, and also that this execution of this

very difficult maneuver, which is performed in the conditions of the introduction of hostilities in the city and the introduction of joint battles, will still preserve the majority of the military, with less losses, had to leave, this is the first thing, and secondly, uh... so the enemy did not just attack the city, but he thought the issue through and tried to attack on the lines that were further north on 8-9 km, the bank of yavllenko, i.e., these boundaries, which are to be reached these troops were to go out, perhaps additional ones there, which would then allow us to stop the further advance of the enemy after the capture of buglidar, because we had a negative... as we remember, the experience of this kind of action when the enemy captured avdiivka, and therefore not stopping, he began to advance further, in the same

way the capture of chereton took place, a rotational issue was used, and now we have the advance of the enemy in the pokrov direction, this experience was, by the way, in the bugledar itself, or rather in one... water, how about which it was said in the east, the rapture of it of the city, this defense region, district, unfortunately, took place on the basis of information from the military themselves, due to the fact that again the enemy used the process, moreover, that it was announced by our deputy mariano pezugli, and after after that... literally a few hours later, they concentrated the blows, the means of destruction there, and additionally transferred their forces and

captured it, despite the fact that there was a concrete fortress structure and so on, which is generally unacceptable at the level of a deputy of the verkhovna rada behaved for our sake thus, at the same time, this was not the first time, but now apparently... it was already, as it were, on the verge, and it is necessary to study to what extent the requirements of the relevant legislation were violated, uh, because such information was transmitted, which was used by the enemy, and we had serious consequences, with all approaches associated with the responsibility of any person, especially, her people's deputy for such events. on the eve of the departure of the armed forces of ukraine. from ugledar, the head of the donetsk regional military administration, vadym filashkin, on the air of the edyni telethon news, reported that he is still in the coal mine, despite the hostilities within the city. or

more than 100 residents, let's listen to what he said, there are 107 people left behind, the children, thank you all, we took them out, the children have been gone for a long time, and these 107 people who remain there, it is very difficult to get to them, to get humanitarian aid, drinking water , medicines, because the active phase of the war is going on, now the thief is almost in the center of the city, mr. general, what may be the further actions of the russian army after taking the coal mine and does this mean that they will leave to pokrovsk, i understand that further beyond pokrovsk there is already in the direction of zaporizhzhia, this is how one looks at this kind of perspective for the enemy, we must understand that the uglidar fortress itself was... let's say a defensive

such a center in order to stop the advance in principle just in this direction in general, but a separate issue is that after they captured it, the prospect of further pressing this pub on kurakhov and with the prospect of pokrovs opens up, i.e. taking into account the fact that it was parked in the pokrov direction by forces defense a few weeks ago, ukraine succeeded in defeating the offensive impulse of the russians, thanks to the introduction of reserves of up to three brigades here, well, and ammunition, then they were reformatted, and the offensive emphasis in the future began to be carried out in the kurakhiv direction, well, on the corner, further, as we can see, and here they succeeded, and now, in connection with

further actions, there may be such a direction for them to intensify offensive actions on kharkiv and further on pokrovskoe, pokrovskoe as the most important goal due to the fact that such a strong point is very large, it's the same ours is such a logistics hub and so on, so they definitely do not cancel plans to seize it. mr. general, it's already the second month. the armed forces of ukraine are located on the territory of the kurdistan region of the russian federation. in september, putin, according to propaganda russian media, set the task of doing everything by october 1 to ensure that the armed forces of ukraine were not in the kursk region, despite the fact that, literally, in a few days, this it will be the third month that

the armed forces are on the territory. which federation how do you rate the prospects of keeping it of this territory, this bridgehead for the armed forces of ukraine and whether ukraine can develop its offensive capabilities on the territory of russia in the direction of the bryansk or belgorod regions there and from the territory of the kursk region. and for this, in order to analyze further actions, it is necessary to recall the results of the first stage during the month of the kurshchyna offensives, they came down to the fact that they preemptively preempted the offensive actions, this is the first target for sumyshchyna, which the gursk generals proved about these plans for kharkiv oblast, for sumy oblast, so it was for sumy oblast played, secondly, they were forced to transfer their fronts to a mass of troops, and the russians did it without

pretending to be so... that it was necessary, if they were given the task of carrying out tasks, including the eastern front, and they transferred battalions, and they gathered up to 50 different battalions there, and there were problems that they barely overcame now in terms of forming a management system for these groups, which have now grown to about 45 thousand, this was the second and third - the formation of the zone that buffers, putin sonically and... zone in kharkiv oblast formed from may to the present time, they advanced 10 km beyond our defenses, they are not allowed, there was a group of 35 thousand, and we had 15 thousand in the bush, they went 35-40 km, and the front up to 40, captured 1300 km, exchange font for 600 , and so on, that is , the struggle for this buffer was formed and continues.

and now relatively further.