communicate with certain categories of personnel and do not convey this information to them, but there are subjective, objective reasons for this, because i have to do much more work, because certain positions in our part are not filled, as i once said, i remembered the death of my brother volodymyr ivashchenko, and i was so very angry then, because he was the chief sergeant of the sniper company and he went out as a sniper in the position, and if our army had enough... the number of servicemen, uav operators, gunners, snipers , he wouldn't be there, and someone says, someone else would have died, no one would have died, because there were more uav operators, there were more infantrymen, there were more fire support groups, and they would have been able to detect the fire vehicle that arrived there in time, destroy it in time , that is, everything works in the system, and it is said somewhere, just now this is the situation

. advice, i'm sorry, i've posted my personnel around the houses, we want to go further to defend the country, here we want, we want, some of them have already been wounded and they will continue to return to the service, and you know, it can be a problem when the personnel runs from the commander to some ... incompetent and is , when they are running away from a situation, that is, somewhere along the line of combat, there is some kind of difficult situation, and people just want to escape from there, and they need to understand that when you leave this position, you leave your brothers alone, from this situation, who have character and they continue to hold weapons in their hands, and in fact , the szch, well, now it's a lot of hearsay, but it's, well, in my military bubble, it's a small percentage of people. who are leaving are people

with whom certain situations have not been discussed, people who fled from explosions, did not control their psycho-emotional state there, that is, i said that unit commanders, they should also be psychologists, they should have emotional intelligence at a high level to understand the processes that occur in their personnel, who can escape with him we need to talk about this situation and explain it more thoroughly, you just know, soldiers, they come, commanders of divisions... commanders of infantry platoons, they see the situation as very narrow, the battalion commander, he already sees it for the battalion on the right, the battalion on the left, the brigade commander saw the situation, the brigade on the right, the brigade on the left, and that is, it is necessary that our citizens, our servicemen understand that they see the situation that they need, and here we take this into account, i was the commander of the intelligence unit, and when in parallel two intelligence groups are nominated for the task, they do not know the task of one. of another

group because if one of them gets captured, god forbid, he can tell about the task of another group that is doing the task in parallel, that is, there are many safeguards to avoid this, because this is war, that's how people die, people get caught captured, and we understand this, and when we join the army, and when we are united, not separated by the russian federation, by some misunderstanding of the situation, then we will be effective when we go to the army. we we voluntarily join, now recruiting is taking place in our unit, the third assault, 58th, 28th, 54th brigade, eh, a separate artillery brigade, that is, you can apply immediately, come, for example, to a separate artillery brigade, they say, i want to be an artilleryman , that's all, we take you, you become an artilleryman, that is, you have to do it then, not when you were stopped by the tsk, you were taken away, you went to the bzvp, passed, got into some unfamiliar team, that is, now there are many recruiting centers, that is ...

servicemen, brigade commanders are engaged in recruiting, recruiting personnel and, well, i am saying this, well, about the national guard of ukraine, because a serviceman of the national guard of ukraine, in our country, these processes take place constantly, in the armed forces, they are the same, we see, big boards happen and the military is 120%, some are 150, doing hr, pr, all these buzzwords i learned along the way. full-scale invasion because we have to advertise, recruit, we already, you know, business projects, we're stupid. the brigade is a company that, er, provides certain services for the state, that's how you hunt for personnel, that's how we collect personnel for ourselves, we transfer from other parts there, you know, somewhere there we go to another brigade there, let's do better here, our borscht is redder than in your dining room, yes, yes, yes, and we are recruiting personnel, and eh, you know,

maybe someone over there at the military and political leadership is considering what someone is doing somewhere, some over there deputies receive money, construction, and now a lot is happening. pity situations, speculative situations, such are the last two situations, these are ternopil-ivano-frankivsk regarding the construction of rehabilitation centers for veterans, but in ternopil, as i know, they built a residential complex, in ivano-frankivsk they want to build a rehabilitation center, but the rehabilitation center from the built the building will be 25%, everything else will be commerce, that is, there is already speculation about veterans by certain citizens. servicemen to get some profit, and these situations will arise, we can see ukrainian true, bigus, others, there is butusov plus, espresso, all other zmi, some independent zmi there, they cover situations, corruption

schemes, some not-so-good reliable citizens who flee abroad, who are now then detained there, and this will happen, this normal processes for a state in which there is... a war that is engaged in the struggle for independence, and if you take the percentage ratio there, corruption schemes arise, and i talked to certain categories of people, officials, that now there is corruption in the ministry of defense, in the ministry of internal affairs, i.e. in law enforcement agencies, is the smallest in the entire history of ukraine's independence. when some precedents arise and the mass media cover them, it shows the capacity of those media, the influence of the media. the influence of social networks, the raising of some social problem, an important problem for the army, for the formation of our state and defense capability, and then the state and the leadership of our state accepts something important, or someone is removed, or you already

know that, or it is not accepted, and it is possible now it will be superfluous, let's talk about the situation when dmytruk escaped and the supreme commander initiated a meeting with... from this situation that in two weeks there will be some decision, when it was a month and a half ago, so in my opinion, maybe these decisions were made, but they were not made public, that is, i say about the fact that now we all need to communicate with each other, i as a commander with personnel, the military and political leadership with the military, my subordinates and my citizens, i also need feedback, some kind of situation has arisen, it is necessary to... speak decisions and don't spread it, one might say secret information, i understand all this, but we can say that we have made a decision, processes are now underway to improve this situation, we have gone deeper and the minister or deputy minister is there, because the minister may be on some trips, to improve our influence

on the international arena there , i understand all this, there are spokesmen, there are press officers who can communicate this with citizens and military personnel of their country. so that this situation is not hushed up and there is no heat of this situation and the russian federation does not use it, that is, any situation, or it is the szch, a serviceman who left and is making fun of it, or it is dmytruk who escaped, all this must be communicated and explained to every citizen that we see these processes, they are happening, and that this does not affect further precedents there arbitrarily. leaving the units, we are considering why he left, how we can analyze this situation, how we can improve it and that in the future it is not up to the commanders, here i can say, the commanders of the units in such a military formation as the national guard of ukraine, these are the processes

occur, that is, some situation has arisen, be it positive or negative, we make a briefing about this situation and we see what we can... take from this situation that has arisen, how we can improve it, and so that in the future this did not happen. you are now drawing a portrait of an ideal commander of any rank, in fact, that is, the importance of knowing and understanding what is happening in the heads and souls of subordinates, ah, and therefore to build a strategy of your behavior with these people, because you spend more time with them part of his life right now, but i'd also like to point out that... well, unfortunately, not always as of now, at least the teams are different, let's call it general, but integrity, right? that is, there are decisions that were deliberately made, and they were deliberately made in the wrong

direction, could lead to tragic consequences, all this is also a normal manifestation of war, especially of such insane intensity. actually, at the beginning of a large-scale invasion. our higher military command was characterized by the fact that it allowed commanders in different places link to make decisions, that is... the moment of this delegation and understanding that the person on the ground sees and understands, and we trust this person, it was, is it now and is there not, let's say, a reverse process, when the commanders, maybe , are hostages of the old school, let's call it that, and somewhere they are afraid to raise problematic issues with... that unit there, which they, relatively speaking, now lead, do we generally have a problem

of commanders, as of now in the ukrainian of the army, you know, the problem of commanders, is it such a question, do we now have commanders, they the same age as me, battalion commanders who directly make decisions on the battlefield, there are older ones, there are younger ones, this is about combat right now. on the battlefield, decisions must be made very quickly, as you rightly say, they can be wrong, because the intensity of hostilities is very high, the enemy uses a large number of his intelligence tools, military weapons and equipment and a large amount of ammunition and a large number of personnel , who conducts assault operations, battalion commander from by the company commander who is working, they make decisions at their level, i.e.... the battalion commander is given fire equipment, which is included there in the battalion tactical group or simply in the line battalion, and they make

decisions there, when to introduce reserves, what equipment to use , the missions at their level use their fire equipment, their reserves, that is, it happens because, for example, we take battalion commanders there from our military unit, brigades of the frontier offensive guard, then they all passed rank, if not the platoon commander, then it is possible... they were even sergeants, the commander was a sergeant, they performed tasks, they were riflemen, grenade launchers, machine gunners, and more promising, they then the career ladder allows them, and they are commanders there the factories, the commander of the world, go to the command of the battalions, they understand how these processes take place from below, these teams understand how scary it is to be in a trench when the enemy storms you, but you have to take action, you have to fight back, because if you, you know, because there is so... so the situation is very simple, you are standing in a position and it is scary to watch, but you

do not see that landing, you see the enemy, you just crouch down and you are more, you know, at some subconscious level calmer, but when you understand that if you won't do that, they will come and kill you, or they will take you prisoner, or they will kill your brothers, and you do it, you are afraid, you do it, and you understand, you see the enemy, you enter him as a rifleman combat, you destroy it and you know it, shooting combat now sounds like a lot even... in high spirits, here is me personally, the personnel, because to conduct a shooting battle you have to survive a lot of artillery fire, a lot of fpv raids and drones with a reset, that is, it is very difficult, and these battalion teams, these roth commanders, they were, at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, just a personnel that carried out the task, and when they rise, they want to make the right decisions, and for example, on the national guard. ukraine, i want to say, personally, who, whom should i

be afraid of, i.e. tomorrow or the day after tomorrow i will go to line of combat collision and me, if a guided aerial bomb dropped from a plane from the territory of the russian federation does not kill me, or an fpv kills me, or somewhere i will have to go on a reconnaissance and i will be killed there by some arlan who will see me and the artillery system will kill me. and krasnopol, that is, it can happen, and it can happen to anyone, to the brigade commander, because it is primarily these means that are discovered, to destroy ksprigada, so that there is a loss of leadership, there are many competent battalion commanders and rod commanders, and, for example, in our part i don't see a critical situation there regarding incompetent commanders, because you know, the entire infrastructure of the national guard of ukraine, we are like that... a closed military formation with many functions, protection of important state facilities,

patrolling territories, mass events at which representatives of the national guard of ukraine are also present. i want to say that i started my service in the 14th year in the 50th regiment, which is based in the ivano-frankivsk region, and those servicemen who guard burshtynska tes or patrol the stations in ivano-frankivsk, six months ago... they fought for our independence in the srebynsky forest, and these teams of sergeant soldiers, they lost their comrades, they saw the enemy in the crosshairs of their riflemen. they were destroying it, and now they're back there on rotation, someone got injured, they're doing that patrol now, and uh, i'm very, well, to be honest, i was driving here, thinking about it, i'm very proud, because i'm serving in the national guards of ukraine, because from us, if servicemen or officers go somewhere are transferred, then they are transferred either to the security service of ukraine or to the main intelligence department, because there are

prospects there, someone understands that he is better at this or that, and we have our own academy that trains officers. composition, and many officers and brigade commanders are sent to that academy with injuries, who will later teach our future officers their experience, that is, this experience is analyzed and the following processes take place, so in some areas, in very important areas, there, for example, we will take pokrovsky the direction to which all the attention of the ukrainian society is focused there, we are watching, we are teaching... as you said, the situation there is very difficult, and units of the national guard of ukraine are also deployed there, and maybe someone wants to improve the situation with their own vision and goes down to the bottom of his seats there from kyiv and wants to help there, and you know, well, i hope that the people who

go down to that level and give instructions there to brigade commanders, battalion commanders, they eh... honestly and sincerely hearts want to help, there are just a lot of them of situations is raised by mr. krotevych regarding the release of sodol, and there are many others, as i said, these are also the processes of corruption, that is, we are all people, military personnel, the armed forces, the national guard of ukraine, these are ordinary citizens that you can meet in subway, in the cinema, in any cafe, or in the same cafe as you and i are now... in short, some of them are unpleasant, it's normal, like ukrainian society, none of us are 100% cool %, i can't say that about it, i can, i 'll allow myself, but that's how i understand what you're talking about absolutely, especially when we live in a world of total direct ether, sometimes there is so much of it that it seems to us that all we see is, you know, all this is our

planet, and it is everywhere, and this happens absolutely on 100%, although... we have to understand that journalists always tell individual stories that can definitely indicate some trends, but that's why we tell about them, so that it doesn't turn into a trend, but okay, i actually wanted to ask , you are a hero of ukraine, but were thinking about whether you should have taken it gold star, it's true, that was the situation in june of '22, you know, the day unfolded in such a way that if you lived to lunch, that's good, if you survived the day, that's generally cool, and looking at some material values, merits, i had personnel when i was called to the ksp, the rubizh tactical grouping, to inform that there may or may not be there, the supreme commander

in our ksp, and i want to present you with the title of hero of ukraine with the awarding of the order of the golden star, i say, which order of gold... star, v the guys are in positions there, i took some water, took some food and went back to the platoon base, because there were constant assaults, it was then, we were in the middle of the place of siverodonetsk, and the enemy wanted to destroy the bridges, the enemy wanted to break through, that is, whatever - how there are constant air raids, constant artillery strikes, constant strikes by tanks, i.e. armored groups, which just attacked our platoon company stronghold. there are battalion lines of defense, it happened along the entire line of contact of ours in the settlement severodonetsk, and i just didn't have time, i didn't think about it, i had to go back, just to get out of the platoon of the base point and get to the command post of the tactical group, it was necessary to carry out a special operation in which you could be killed, there we had to run under artillery fire, then

we had to run over under enemy machine gun fire, that is, a very difficult situation. you had logistical problems, logistical problems, and with all of that in mind, i just didn't see the point in giving any awards at at that stage of hostilities by me personally, by my personnel, and it was not important to me at all, that is, i have, i have an area for which i am responsible, and for me there were very important processes that were taking place, and i did not want go from there not for a minute, not for an hour, because i leave my staff, i leave units to the left, to the right without reconnaissance. information, that is, such were the difficulties, and in my opinion, at that time there were many servicemen who deserved this award more than i did, and therefore i i refused, said i didn't want to. to comply, i go to my staff, the brigade commander persuaded me, he did not persuade, well, he communicated, caused psychological pressure on me due to his official

duties, the commander of the tactical group, and my comrades, when they said, yes, the commander is worthy, it is necessary take, take everything, and then i stayed and got the title, thank you for that, for what you got then and for the fact that i now have the opportunity to talk to you about it, in particular, and... 8 hours at the start large-scale invasion, gostomel, the importance of the airfield and understanding why the russians focused on it in such a way is not for anyone now, well, at least for people who are interested in our war, it is no secret that the russians needed this site in order to later deposit their military transport planes with with everything necessary, and already working up the resource that should be engaged in the occupation of our capital, eh? and this was avoided thanks to you and your brothers, you called the first eight hours in your other interviews decisive, and ukraine is right

took advantage of this time, mobilized, were there other such peak moments for you during these 2.5 years that you at least saw for yourself, which we took advantage of and actually... had certain fruits, or maybe peak moments that we missed? you know, these 8 hours actually, as i said in past interviews, they were very important for our citizens, and the full-scale invasion began as a war, and the enemy attacked us in the morning, struck suddenly, and i understood that these all day long, our citizens can have military personnel, there... the general staff, the administration of the national guards of ukraine can mobilize, plan and everything. we have, as military personnel, to fulfill their duty to hold back the enemy, possibly die, and everyone in

me was ready to die. we were then in the luhansk region, our part of the military personnel, the military part was in gostomel, and these military personnel, you know, this was the unity between all the commanders and all personnel of the defense and security forces of ukraine, so that everyone understood, now or never. and the defense and security forces of ukraine, they performed their function and withstood, restrained a colossal amount of enemy aircraft, because sergey falatiuk was there, at the gostomil airfield, he shot down helicopters that came in, and he was there with the soldiers of our military unit, they restrained the enemy, and this happened along our entire contact line and along the entire border with russia federation, that is, each commander fulfilled these tasks, and you know, in the future so... a more significant, more weighty social unity, i may not have felt for 2.5

years, then there was a path, you know, a path along which we were walking, there were obstacles somewhere, a certain number of military personnel, it is still united by this common opinion, which began at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, that is, by this unity, and my personal. military personnel with whom i met, we continue to communicate, and no one is ready and does not want to leave the defense and security forces, these are my fellow airborne assault troops, air forces, ground forces, tank formations, intelligence units, sbu, band, that is, everyone, i know, met with many strong, worthy servicemen, servicemen of the defense forces of ukraine, and this unity. holds, there are situations that we took advantage of and that will be in the future, this is the defensive operation in kurshchyna, uh, the situation that

did not work out for us, this is our counteroffensive in the south of ukraine, that is, you know, there are many such situations, and the situation of the biggest tragedies, and perhaps the greatest joy, can happen on a small scale, let's take... there zaporizhia direction, any direction, lyman direction, the greatest tragedy can happen when a bullet fired by a russian soldier kills someone's son, someone's daughter, or someone's father, someone's sister, it will be the biggest tragedy on our planet, for the family, for our nation, for our state, because he died our citizen, who should live and advance our country into the future, into our prosperous future. and this situation, they are for many citizens, they are special, because here, when i was, you know, such situations are the most difficult when

you visit a spoch. or you are informed that someone died, and we were hiding recently a scout from our military unit, yehor, and i handed over the flag with the words on behalf of the president of ukraine, the supreme commander-in-chief, i ask you to accept this flag as a symbol of the state, which your son served faithfully and to the end, and when the mother just started sobbing and crying and. .. and she accepts this flag, and she understands that our struggle continues, she lost her son, but she did not lose the country, and my voice still holds, once i say, she did not lose the country, and this unity, it and we still have, and we unite in such difficult critical situation, and we still have this critical situation, because as we talked with you at the beginning, when the enemy hits the ivad publishing house in kharkiv, he destroys our books. he

destroys our culture, when he hits institutes, when he hits schools, he wants to destroy our intellectual component so that they develop, but our citizens continue to print books in ukrainian, write poems, develop new means of rap , to develop new uavs that can burn warehouses in the depths of the russian federation, new citizens are also joining, who are performing a security operation in kurshchyna, er, the same ones who have been fighting for 2.5 years, they are losing their health, and they are not going to the szz, and they will continue to fight in the pokrov direction, and we have enough strong citizens and enough strength, motivation to resist the russian federation in the future. thank you for this conversation, i will remind our viewers that we had the opportunity to talk with vitaly lytvyn, a hero of ukraine, an officer of the national guard of ukraine, rubizh brigade, and we thank you very much. zahvadu,

bookstores read it for the fact that we have the opportunity to to hold this very important conversation for me in such a slightly informal atmosphere, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you espresso team, my name is khrystyna yatskiv and see you soon. vasyl zima's big broadcast. my name is vasyl zima, this is a big broadcast on the espresso tv channel. two hours of airtime, two hours of your time. my colleagues and i will talk about the most important things. two hours to learn about the war, about the military, frontline, component, serhiy zgurets, and how the world lives? yuriy fizar is already with me and it's time to talk about what's out there took place outside the borders of ukraine. yury, good evening. two hours to keep up with economic news. time to talk about money in wartime. romorcha in the hood with me, and

sports news. i invite you to talk. greetings viewers of espresso, today we have a special guest, a real hero of ukraine, a military man to the bone, lieutenant general serhiy ivanovich naev. mr. serhiy, i congratulate you. before we start our conversation, i want to

introduce the audience. to you, serhiy ivanovich was born in vinnytsia, studied at the moscow higher military academy school, after studying he served abroad, led a motorized rifle platoon in germany, in ukraine, ukraine, he gave more than 30 years of his life to the armed forces of ukraine. in 2014, serhiy ivanovych headed sector b, and these are friends. for a second, including the battles for the donetsk airport, later serhiy ivanovych headed the operational command east from 2015 to 2017, from 2018 the deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, and from 2020 to 2024 the commander of the united forces of ukraine. already.