this is the 21st century, well, only russia can be compared to them, well, it’s unpleasant to talk about them at all, well, but they also have this experience and also understand and also in battles, all others, even including the united states of america, so many infantry with such combat experience, with such knowledge, there is simply no modern war, and this is our colossal ukrainian asset, our asset and our strength, and the more instability. world, the more this force will be needed, so there may be different directions here, but we will see how they will be events unfold. at the very end of our conversation, information appeared that israel declared un secretary general antonio guterres a person of nongrat and banned him from entering the country, because guterres did not condemn iran's attack on israel, the former foreign minister wrote about it on the network . "i

have declared antónio guterres a lengrat person in israel, banned him from entering the country, anyone who cannot unequivocally condemn iran's heinous attack on israel, as almost all countries in the world have done, does not deserve to enter israeli soil, and of course this decision is tough enough on the part of the ministry of foreign affairs and israel." under the current conditions, can israel, forgive the un, repeat the fate of the league of nations, because well, we see what is happening in the middle east, we see russia's aggressive attack on ukraine, and we see absence, lack of effective mechanisms for bringing the aggressor countries to them, and the league of nations took a significant step in the 39th year, when the ussr

attacked finland, excluded this country from the league of nations, however, after the war, the league of nations was changed by the organization. united nations how do you feel about this structure in the context of these criticisms that are coming, including from the side of israel towards the secretary general of the un. yes, israel acts harshly and does the right thing, and this, by the way, is a very correct example for us, which is necessary. that's harsh, in general the world respects only force, but all this that we discussed with you demonstrates once again only one thing: only force is respected by the world, everything else you can have endless conversations and nothing will happen, and the un is an institution that talks, but really cannot do much, i do not reject them from the point of view, of course ukraine should use this as a platform, of course it is also one of the tools, and this war is also being fought on the diplomatic front, but...

you cannot hope for anyone at all , we must rely only on ourselves and on building a strong state, this is the only guarantee that we will exist. thank you, mr. oleksiy, for the conversation, it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine from strasbourg, where the session of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe is taking place. friends, we continue our work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey, today we ask you about whether you think the presidential election in the 25th year is possible, yes, in particular, predicts or the british publication for the economist writes about it, so everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, a separate opinion, please write in the comments under this article, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote: on the numbers, if you think

the presidential election next year is possible, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. ihor romanenko, founder of the charity fund zakryye nebo ukraine, lieutenant general, former deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. well, first of all let's start our conversation with the situation around the coal miner. ukraine withdraws its troops from the coal mine, as the flanking attacks of the enemy have exhausted the defense of units of the armed forces of ukraine. this was reported in the command of the khortyts troop group. i will quote the official message. the higher command has given permission to... carry out a maneuver to withdraw

units from the coal mine in order to preserve personnel and combat equipment, to take a position for the introduction of further actions. actions the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine has already excluded from its own daily summaries of the battle for ughledar, about the capture of which, well, actually, it was already reported, why, mr. general, the defense of a strategic settlement, which had held out for more than two years, well, more than one and a half years, fell because the enemy managed to focus on this direction. grouping of troops, over the past few weeks they have increased and strengthened three brigades, additionally more than 500 servicemen concentrated means of inflicting damage, ammunition, and began

to advance, in fact to the rear and the eastern flank, this is the vodianovo district. gradually transitioned captured mine number one, and then mine number three, also attacked along the front and added a direction of offensive actions from the west, in such conditions, the personnel who performed the task of the 72nd brigade, which was not there, did not have the resources and reserves to reinforce them, so it was visible from that is, the introduction of hostilities according to the dynamics that were already unfolding directly in the place itself, because they entered it from the east and from the south, and further advanced to the center, it was clear that an appropriate decision had to be made, and this decision

first of all, it is as if the laws of war are that it is absolutely necessary to defend some settlements, some... fronts and everything else, but if the troops are preserved, despite the fact that these points are left, then it is possible to fight taking into account this, and also that this execution of this maneuver is very difficult, which to perform in the conditions of the introduction of hostilities in the city and the introduction of argergad battles will still save the majority of the military with less ... expenses, it was necessary to get out, this is firstly, and secondly, eh, so the enemy is not simply if he attacked the cities, but he thought the matter through and tried to attack on the lines that were 8.9 km to the north,

the banks of the yavllenko, that is, those lines on which this army was supposed to go, perhaps additional ones there, which would then allow to stop further promotion. the enemy after the capture of buglidar, because we had a negative, as we remember, experience of this kind of action, when the enemy captured avdiivka, which means, without stopping, began to advance further, in the same way the capture of chereton took place, they used a rotational question, and now we we have the advance of the enemy in the pokrovsky direction, this was an experience. by the way, in bugldar itself, or rather, watery, watery, as was discussed in the east, the capture of this city, this defensive region, district, unfortunately, took place according to information from

the military itself, due to the fact that, again, the enemy used the rotational process, moreover, this was announced by our mp marjana byzugliy, and after that, just a few hours later, they concentrated the blows, means of destruction there, and also additionally threw forces and seized it, despite the fact that there were concrete structures and so on, which is generally unacceptable at the level of a deputy of our verkhovna rada behaving in such a way... in this way, at the same time, it was not the first time, but now, apparently, it was already, if on the verge, and it is necessary to study to what extent the requirements of the relevant legislation were violated, er, because such information was transmitted that

was used by the enemy, and we had serious consequences, with all approaches, the responsibility of any -what kind of person, especially her people. deputy for such events. on the eve of the departure of the armed forces of ukraine, the head of the donetsk regional military administration, vadym filashkin, left the coal mine. on the air of the telethon edyny. vyny reported that despite the hostilities within the city, there are still more than 100 residents in ugledara, let's listen to what he said, there are 107 people left in ugledara, we took the children out to thank everyone, the children have been gone for a long time, and these 107 people who are there remain, it is very difficult to get to them, to get humanitarian aid, drinking water, medicines, because the active phase is going on war, already now. voro was located almost in the center of the city, mr. general, what could be

the further actions of the russian army after taking the coal mine, and does this mean that they will go to pokrovsky, i understand that further beyond pokrovsky there is already towards zaporizhzhia, this is how such a line can be seen kind of perspective for the enemy, we have to... you understand that the uglidar fortress itself was, let's say, a defensive such a cell in order to stop the advance in principle simply in this direction in general, but a separate issue is that after they captured the prospect of further pressure on kurakhovo and from the perspective of pokrovst opens up, i.e. with... taking into account the fact that the defense forces of ukraine managed to

defeat the offensive impulse of the russians in the parkrovsky on pokrovst direction a few weeks ago, thanks to the introduction of reserves of up to three brigades here, and armed ammunition, then they were reformatted, and in the future, the offensive accent began to be carried out in the kurakhiv direction, well, and on the corner further, as we can see, and here... it was successful, and now in connection with further actions there may be such a thing for them the direction of intensifying offensive actions on kharkiv and further on pokrovsk, pokrovsk as the most important target due to the fact that this is such a strong point is very large, it is also our logistical hub and so on, therefore the plans to capture it. certainly they do not cancel. mr. general, for the second month already

the armed forces of ukraine are in the territory of the kurdish region of the russian federation. in september, putin, according to the propaganda russian media, set the task of doing everything by october 1 to ensure that the armed forces of ukraine were not in the kursk region, despite the fact that, literally, from... in a few days, it will be the third month that the armed forces of ukraine are on the territory of the russian federation. how do you assess the prospects of maintaining this territory, this bridgehead for the armed forces of ukraine, and whether ukraine can develop its capabilities, offensive capabilities on the territory of russia towards the bryansk or belgorod regions there and from the territory of the kursk region. and... for this, in order to analyze further actions, it is necessary to briefly recall the results of the first

stage during the month of offensive actions on kurshchyna, they came down to the fact that they preemptively preempted offensive actions, this is the first target on sumy oblast, which general skybirskyi argued about these plans for kharkiv oblast, sumy oblast, so sumy oblast was thwarted, secondly, they were forced to transfer, that is, their fronts on... the troops were moved, and the russians did it, they did not pretend, because they had to, if they were given tasks to perform tasks, including on the eastern front, and they transferred battalions, and they gathered up to 50 different battalions there, and there were a problem they are barely now overcome in the formation of the management system of these groupings, which have now grown to about 45 thousand, this was the second and third. the formation of the buffer zone, putin sonorously

formed zones in the kharkiv region from may to the present time, advanced 10 km further, our defenders do not let them in, 3,500 were groups, and we have 1,500 in the kursk region, which went 35-40 km along the front to 40, captured 1300 km, exchange pound for 600, and so on, that is... the struggle for this buffer zone was formed and continues, and now relative to further actions, certainly, the goal, in my opinion, now is to hold this zone. because purshchyna and suzhe itself was such a russian military hub that they used for action, where forces and means were concentrated in the kharkiv direction, the sumy direction, and therefore, since we are holding this region now, they do not have such an opportunity, and confirmation of even additional use of the brush, we see

that in fact every day from under the kursk they strike and take off... attacks, that is, it is absolutely necessary to influence these circumstances, but after they recruited groups of troops, well, the estimates were, let's say, from 30-40 thousand, they can already stop, according to the estimates of western experts, what they actually did, they stopped the further significant advance in the directions of the defense forces of ukraine, and went into a confrontation. in four directions, two from the north, one from the west, one from the southeast direction, and it means that we managed to regain control of up to a dozen settlements, especially for them it is important - this speed and the direction of the east, well, what about some directions , and it is important that they punched

they land corridor to the group, which they were there is limited by this river and our troops, uh, so, since the bridges were broken, the pontoon crossings were broken by the defense forces, then basically to ensure logistics, they already did it to break through this corridor, but to this, our defense forces responded asymmetrically, crossed the borders again and struck in the hlushkovo district, this is exactly where... this corridor and in the snagosti district, and now there are battles, especially in the direction of hlushkovo, in order to cut this corridor again russian corridor, in addition, in addition, it means, well, they are going in some other directions, that is, the defense forces of ukraine at

the current time, in my opinion, have switched to active, mobile defense. a strike with the transition of the borders in the direction of lushkovo and in the direction of strength, well , defensive actions are being conducted on some separate issues, and some, therefore, are moving forward, this kind of battles are taking place there now, obviously, mr. general, our prospects for... at the front in the korsk region, donetsk region, and kharkiv region will depend, including on the weapons that we will produce ourselves, since there is no that the permission of our western partners, regarding the strikes of their weapons on the territory of the russian federation, president zelenskyi reported that only in the first half of this year ukraine

produced 25 times more ammunition for artillery and mortars than in the entire 20. the second year the production of other types increases weapons, let's listen to what the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine said: and the total number of drones that we are now able to produce in ukraine annually is 4 million, and more than 1.5 million have already been contracted, already we are using a completely new class of ukrainian weapons, a long-range missile, a drone, a clearing house, and others are working. types of our long-range drones, naval drones are working to protect ukraine, summer tests were successful, our new ballistic missile, everyone can see how our neptunes work, and the prime minister of ukraine denys shmehal has his own numbers and statistics, he

says that by the end of the year, ukraine will produce 1.5 million bez'. lotniki, he said during the government meeting. let's listen to the head of the government. another direction of support of our army is an increase in the number of weapons and equipment that the defenders of ukraine have. every day, we work with partners to increase the supply of weapons and strengthen the development of our own defense and industrial complex. in 2023, the production of weapons in ukraine tripled. every other ammunition. in the ukrainian war zone. by the end of the year, we will produce 1.5 million drones. we not only produce drones, but also train personnel to manage them. mr. general, how do you assess these paces declared by zelenskyi and shmyhal, obviously this is not enough, obviously, ukraine will need several years

to increase the production of its own weapons, what do you say about it, unfortunately, we see how the shortcomings that previously existed in the construction of the cartridge factory are reflected. there the construction of a plant that was supposed to produce shells and all this was postponed, well, we see the consequences of this, and now in such a fire scenario we are trying to catch up with this situation, and we see that due to the fact that with the help of our allies there are difficulties , concerns permission, and many other things, some people approve of these processes, in general, all this is quite difficult and definitely happens. we need to focus primarily on the production of our enterprise and industrial complex, as we can see, there is a shift in these processes, but

it is definitely not enough, fundamental questions about ammunition, we are trying to replace them as much as we can with shock drones, but not artillery will replace at the present time, the power is different, let's say, well, even before that, that is, unmanned aerial vehicles, artillery, barrel artillery, volley fire systems are still needed to add missiles, missile armament, which is also advancing, but also slowed down in its own way, i led the sapsan chikhron 2 program at the general staff, the first stage was completed, and then all this russian agency got involved. which we have, who were also in the leadership, who slandered, suspended funding and so on, now it is very difficult to catch up with this situation, but

the exams have been passed, the rockets directly continue to advance, well, in the same direction, neptune, we see that already the modernization of not only the first version of the shore, the ship and so on it was in relation to the moscow cruiser, but also... with a longer range, improved, now niktum, it is also a missile complex, earth earth, that is, there is progress, our minister of defense says that by the end of the year there will be information about the development of the missile program, well, what you have shown in these shots is more important, of course, not just information about it, it is very necessary to directly see the use of these weapons. to the defense forces of ukraine, which pressure is taking place here. thank you, mr. general conversation, it was ihor romanenko, founder of the zakreyemo nebo ukraine charitable fund,

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of the program we like we have the results of this vote further in our contact volodymyr tsibulko is a political analyst, writer and people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you. thank you for being with us today. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. mr. volodymyr, what about you? do you think about this topic that the british media is spreading, about the possibility of holding elections in 2025, referring to their sources and referring to the fact that some potential candidates are already starting to collect some of their back offices and pre-election companies, well, first of all, it is allegedly officially announced about the start of verification. voters, this means that the first stages of preparation for the elections have really begun, and now the question is under

what system... can these elections be held, because in fact we have a huge territory on which it is simply impossible to hold elections, even if it is under the control of ukraine, then these territories are shelled, even if the war is stopped, then the functioning of local authorities in these territories will be, i would say, very traumatized, that is, uh... it is unlikely that a certain number of people will return to these territories, especially those who suffered from battles, that is, well, the line of demarcation , even if the war is stopped, then most likely elections are possible under the conditions of ad hoc changes to the legislation, firstly, secondly, with the good will

of all the participants in the elections, because... the results of these elections must be recognized by all the participants , the most important thing is how to prevent falsifications, because now there is a very clear feeling that the bank is preparing falsifications for the next election, whether it will be an option through protocols, whether it will be an option through electronic voting, i do not rule out that adhoc they can ... hack , so to speak, certain unwritten rules, conservative rules of the electoral system and introduce the idea of ​​electronic voting, and under this electronic voting, especially according to the russian model, you can falsify as much as you want, and dispute these results, verify these results, it will simply be impossible, only accept the result that the authorities will show. society, well

, but so far there are no official comments and any definite statements about the possibility of such elections, of course, it will all depend on how our western partners perceive the plan victory of ukraine, whether and whether it will be implemented in the short term, not in the long term. andrii dermak, head of the office of the president of ukraine on completion. to the united states of america stated that this peace plan, with the exception of some parts that refer to some secret information, will be presented to the ukrainians, what would you like to see in this victory plan and what should be there, maybe advised the authorities, what to supplement this plan of victory with some specific points, because it

is certain in principle. only one is known the item that was publicly stated by the same yarmak that ukraine wants the united states of america, and they announced that ukraine would be in nato, and ukraine could receive an invitation from the alliance? well, this is such a point, which essentially leads to the idea that i would like to see. it seems to me that the government behaves as it thinks. that bandits can only be defeated by being bandits themselves, but, as you know, stalin, or rather, hitler, was defeated by the democracies, stalin, not stalin defeated hitler, the democracies defeated hitler, stalin was only an instrument of this victory, without the lendlease, stalin would not have won anything, he had nothing to wear shoes and clothes for his army,

he had nothing to transport red. of the army, i 'm not talking about the fuel for the planes and the planes themselves, er, but it's about something else, it's about the fact that if you want victory relying on western countries, then you must start with the harmony of ukrainian society with western societies , that is, the rule of law, freedom of speech, this is the key to joining the eu and nato, and they want to join... nato authoritarian regime, because what zelenskyi and yarmak have built since the 19th year bears very little resemblance to democrats, very little resembles democrats, that is, they prepared the country so that no one would ever take ukraine into any nato, and it seems to me , that the current pedaling with this victory plan that just popped out somewhere from the back of the plan.