not only the russian-ukrainian war, but also the world order in general for the coming decades, secondly, well, it is very important for us that, regardless of the results of the elections, we attract the bipartisan support of the american, let's say politicians, and what is even more important that the , which mr. andreykiv talked about, so that we have the total support of the american voters, because the electorate is the resource that will enable us, let's say, to have certain levers of influence on american politics, on american politicians, and make it so that ukraine regardless of schedules, results remained a priority and remained prominent in american foreign policy. people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence, cyborg, colonel of the sbu, roman kostenko with us on direct skype. mr. roman, you made several statements this week. which, well,

we can even say that they partially undermined the ukrainian information space, let's start with budanov, with other changes that may occur in the ministry of defense, which as of now, do you know whether the option of a change is still being considered, in particular of the head of the main intelligence department, kyryll budanov, who at the beginning of the war is one of those, one might say, one of the most popular... and now the investigation is ukrainian truth, let's call things by their names, the pro-presidential media definitely did it, it appeared that gur, well, in fact, it is not in which it is said that, well, not always gur, let's say this, receives all those weapons for which he pays and not always gets money back which she paid for those weapons that she did not receive. good evening, studio, good evening

everyone, well, as for budanov, we really saw and heard a lot in the mass media, it was said that there is a story, that he is going to be shot, that a decision has already been made in the president's office , and various reasons were mentioned there, his media coverage, his ranking, or what he does there. there was pr, not war, someone there accused him of carrying out some kind of operations, there were many stories, er, even there they commented on it, and i spoke about it, but i immediately said, theorized that if it will happen, because well, we have already seen many such stories, when someone says something, and it is at the level of rumors, someone they may be specifically triggered by what we have as of now, as of now we had a committee three days ago, if i'm not mistaken, when we approved. the budget of the defense forces for

2025, and the minister of defense was called there, who presented the budget of the ministry of defense for 2025, and i told him directly asked a question about the fact that budanov is his subordinate, according to the law, and what rumors are going around that there are, as it were, going to shoot the head of intelligence, to which the minister of defense directly answered under the script that he had heard about it in the mass media, but he does not know who is spreading these rumors, this was not planned and is not planned for the near future, that is, it was the answer of the minister of defense of ukraine at the committee, so this is my answer to you, this is what happened, i tell you i predict, huh. ugh,

ugledar, mr. koshtenko, it’s interesting to know because there is official information that our military has left this territory, in the end the president said that it is important for us to preserve the lives of our military, and this is also a big plus for us as a state, but still in a strategic plan, how did it change our position, what can it further mean from what we can say, let's... well, i will say as a military person, what am i not, what kind of person, what will i say, so i have been in the army since 14, well, since 2001, when i was 17 years old was, and since 2014 he took part in the first anti-robust operation, well, since the 22nd year, he also had some tangentially to this and, of course, what about the situation and talking about... that when we leave,

that we save the lives of the military, it is of course correct, but with such and such a situation, in principle, you can immediately withdraw from all our positions and not fight. therefore , it is necessary to choose and understand where we are doing what, and if we even think about it in this way, then i think that at least the supreme commander-in-chief should not declare this, a politician can say this, but not the supreme commander-in-chief, because whatever what a retreat, even if he forced us to do it to do, he's forced to, and it's not a victory, it's a defeat that we're suffering across the country, because somebody either made bad decisions, or somebody didn't... get a lot of weapons, or somebody, when we talk about what the enemy is winning over there, so we did not provide our military with the means that they can counter it there, this is our fault, and it is definitely not a victory, so to talk about the fact that we are leaving because of this, about the fact that we were forced , the enemy proved stronger

at the moment, and forced us to withdraw, there created such conditions that we leave, let's call things our own, why did this happen, we need to understand about... it needs to be said, we know that there was a heroic 72nd brigade, which for almost 3 years, well, with changes, held this she held the direction quite successfully, but now she was forced to leave, because that’s how she would have been wiped out, i know that she had great losses there, then there is the question of whether she had her own units or dowry units, then we all heard about the rotation that they wanted to bring out, but then because some circumstances. they didn't take them out, and now we have what we have, so i believe that this is a story that, well, at least the president , as the commander-in-chief, should look into. and one more topic, which was also heard from your lips, and i would like to reveal more on our broadcast, the situation with mobilization, is everything okay with us right now, when

the reserve seems to have worked + er, information about the fact that summonses will be mailed to people come? well , such a simple question, are we doing well with the recruitment of people for the army? well, looking at us we consider it good. mobilization is such a profound issue, you can say that we are doing well with quantity, or we are doing well with quality, but we have never been doing well with either quantity or quality, everything is relative here, because apparently mobilization in we were satisfied somewhere until the middle of the 22nd year, when there were queues and when this was the first... stratum of our population, who were volunteers, they were the most active, motivated, they went on, the recession went on, then people like , well, they will take it, i will go, they will not take it, i will not go, but now it's the turn of those who, well, i'm not going to go, but if they take me away, i'll do something, and

there are still many who won't go and won't do something, i'll go to the szch, so uh, what's the situation, there for some time, after the law came into force on... we collected a certain amount, it was much larger, the same or more than the one we collected before the law, and everyone was satisfied, it was a certain amount that allowed us to replenish losses and there to create some new units, but it was quantity, not to speak of quality it is necessary because what we have to do and what i would do, i would first of all set the task of the tsc, that is to recruit people. for those who fight heroically on the battlefield, and not to staff the rear units like that, when we have a million army there, and the body unit is staffed, namely those who fight on the battlefield, they just don't exist, because that's exactly where the biggest losses, recruiting limited fit people in tsk, we cannot

staff them, because a person says that i am limited fit, therefore the quantity should equal the quality, if it is not, then the situation will be very bad, now this... the last month, i won't talk about the numbers, of course it's a secret, but they have decreased, they have decreased, and i say once again that here now, who is responsible in our country, first of all the government, well and i think as the leader, the commander-in-chief, the secretary of defense, they, well, these are the people who are actually leading the nation in this great domestic war, and they have to mobilize the people, motivate them, and do... to they went to defend the country, if it is declining, then someone is not working, that is a fact, sir roman, you also talked about lowering the probable mobilization age, and did they discuss this question, well, is it at the committee, are there already some official talks about it, and what age is it about, look, i was only saying

my point of view, well, look, we always talk about something at the committee, it's like a committee at a committee, when we... an officially open committee, i don't remember such a discussion, but of course there are discussions, and it's my position that we have... see , i tell you once again that there is no such thing in the whole world, that people there have not been called up since they were 20, since they were 18, my colleagues write to me, it’s just that there are congressmen who say, look, we give you weapons, you say you don’t have people there, and how come you don’t get called up until the age of 25 , it's like in general, well, it's hard for me to explain, because i don't know why, well, legally, i have an answer, because in our country it is written in the law that there are conscripts from conscripts, but... in reality, this is how we would we are engaged in the most probably cruelest war in

which our country once had to be, this is a fact for countries in general in the 21st century, and in we have some choice there, but some are called up, some are not called up, and often when people tell me, i say this thesis, it is unpopular for many, but we have to be realistic, we don't have enough people, we don't have enough people who are just that young, and they tell me there are different to... they prove, they say, and we will get a lost generation there, because they will go to war, and they will be a lost generation, and i say, well, people, look, if they don't this category of people want to go there now to defend our country, so they already are a lost generation, we brought up those who do not want to go to defend their homeland, i am not talking about everyone now, and we have to understand that, so my position is that not from the age of 18, but from the age of 20, we... should call, to assemble and all fight together for our country, here you can

be a deputy and make difficult management decisions, laws from 21, and to fight from 25, well, something is wrong here, i don't know who came up with it. there is a replica in our studio, please, mr. andreykiv, please, do you know about the protocol decision from october 22, according to which at the meeting of the vice-chairman... of the minister of internal affairs, voluntary formations of territorial communities, which were one of the integral elements of national resistance along with territorial defense and training of citizens, were disbanded, i.e. at the meeting from 10 in october, if i am not mistaken, in 2022 the voluntary formations of territorial communities were disbanded and transferred to a completely different status, i say this reliably, because i am the head of the headquarters of the voluntary formations of lviv region and in us. a significant number of citizens were prepared by our forces of territorial communities,

weapons storage rooms were built, people supported the police in patrolling bridges, public order, protection of critical infrastructure objects. i will also briefly remind you that the tsehal army of israel, which is fighting heroically today, was actually created from three volunteer formations, the irgun, the hagala and the leh, which in fact, when israel gained independence, were combined into... military units, that is, it was the volunteers who became the basis of effective defense and effective armed forces, which are currently fighting the enemy in our time, thank you, well, if we are talking about the sakhalin army, then it all started with volunteers, and then everything after that gradually grew into a regular army , which, as you rightly say, is heroically fighting on its fronts, what about this protocol decision, i don't know, but i know that... according to the dftg, even by law, they are militarily obligated, and they have the right to be called up for military service

and not to stay in the dftg unit, this is so that it does not come out of the fact that, for example, someone is serving in the dftg, and there from the very beginning it was, let's say, decided that these people, they will be there until a certain moment, and then they you can call on them to also perform tasks on the front line, so i think that such a decision was made so that these people also help... to help, i know that there were some who were against the fact that we are fighting, but exclusively in their territory near their community, but from my point of view it is wrong, we are all fighting in different cities, so that the enemy does not come to the very community where this dftg is located, this is my position, but regarding this decision, i do not know, honestly, thank you, roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and development. cyborg, colonel, sbu. mr. pavlysh, i have a question for you as

a historian, here we are now, we will, you know, move from operative to historical contexts. don't you have a feeling in the context of what we are hearing now from the united states of america, mr. andreykiv said that if there is a rather pragmatic approach to what is happening in our country, there is no such thing as you remember austin somewhere in the third month, the secretary of defense of the united states. of america, in the third month of the war, in the 22nd year, said that the united states and its allies would do everything possible, turn the sky upside down so that... ukraine would win, but now it seems like this is, you know, a more pragmatic approach, no one is probably saying that the west is ready to completely abandon ukraine in favor of the russian federation, but it is already there cede territories, are ready to engage in some kind of negotiation process, but if we talk about the historical context, are we not living

now at a moment when this autumn can become really broken, and if so, in what direction it will be broken for us. for ukraine. history is a rather long continuous process. the historian missed it. i just want to emphasize that we're pulling the peaks of the medial kind of flares, right? we fix them, place them somewhere, but in the temporal dimension, this is a tiny amount of time, these are microseconds of historical process, which do not form a general, general picture, we simply do not know america well, we do not feel it well, recently a book by a brilliant american analyst ben stile was published in my translation, he wrote it for the united states government, this is such an analytical structure at the state department, that is, the state department

of the united states of america, the book is called the marshall plan, dawn. cold war, and in this book, if you read it carefully, you can see a lot of parallels to what is happening now. always in america opposed from the moment of its foundation, two forces. the first were descendants of george washington. washington said that the europeans should go to one place, let them all suffocate there, fight each other, never interfere in the affairs of this rotten abomination. the united states appeared. as a country that is an enemy of european values, which were then monarchical and all kinds of other values, as a country of freedom, etc., and continues its legacy as a rather conservative and isolationist power, that is, one that distances itself from cooperation with europe,

the republican party, as it has always been, is opposed to a certain extent by the democratic party... which in the 20th century has always consistently tried to bring america out of its rut ​​and, paradoxically, to make america great, that is, to make america part of world processes, and america's current wealth , her influences, etc., all based on the fact that after the war she was given the opportunity to make the dollar the main reserve currency instead of gold and to carry out very influential reforms. on the initiative of america put the european union, later they understood, it is difficult to make nato as an umbrella that would cover economic reforms in europe, and, but all this happened within the framework of the counter, i may be talking a little long, but this picture is repeated again and again and again, only we do not see it , we see little spikes like that and we don't

understand that all this goes on and on, in this book by ben stiles it talks about... how much the europeans worked to advance this marshall plan, to convince the americans, to provide this money to europe, traveled special friendship trains across america from europeans who thanked the americans for their help, kissed them on the hand, metaphorically speaking, and communicated with ordinary americans, worked with congressmen in the press, etc., now all this is gone, because we are significantly ... separated from america, i i consider it a huge mistake, it is my private opinion that ukraine was hermetically sealed at the beginning of the war, and all those who wanted to leave were not allowed to leave, we would have a completely different picture now, so many would have left, but those would have remained , who wanted to stay, those who

want to return but have the right to leave would return, and this would create a situation like in israel or in america. or in other countries, or even in the same russia, a lot of russians go abroad and carry out subversive anti-ukrainian activities there, all kinds of other things, we pay hysterical attention to some information there, that means someone there has announced something, well announced, announced economist or financial times for those readers, they don't work for us, they don't care what we think there, they... work for business elites, business elites are interested in large contracts, so they need to declare that in ukraine everything is the khan's, give the money, the government, we will produce big ones. the amount of weapons, that's what they do it for, not to push us to something or to form some opinion, but to encourage the american government to allocate money,

and the government is going for it, again, absolutely idiotic wording : zelenskyi returned with bare hands, he did not return with bare hands, nor on the contrary, he simply left to america and fulfilled his role in a certain process. this process consists in the fact that for a very long time biden was pestered why he does not allocate 6 billion dollars, the fiscal year will end, and they will disappear, burn up, so zelensky's visit served as the last point, which prompted biden to allocate 8 billion dollars, they will not be allocated to us, they will not be brought in bags here to ukraine, they will be allocated to american manufacturers, for whom the economist and everyone else cried so much, and... everything will be fine, we learn to understand the information correctly, for example, even in the west it is not quite they understand well, biden announced that israel will bombard, let's say

oil fields in iran and oil immediately went uphill, so this is absolute nonsense, because no one is going to waste oil, but there will be processing plants, cars and tanks do not run on oil . on gasoline, diesel fuel and other fuel-based materials, so you need to understand the facts, not how they manipulate us, we actually thank you for these emphases, because they are important, it is precisely ukrainian society that should understand this, and we that is why we are gathering in this studio, and we have our military personnel on skype with us, so it is important to include them, and this is arseniy prylipka, the press officer of the 72nd separate mechanized brigade named after the black zaporozhets of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. arseny, we congratulate you, thank you for... we waited, what is the current situation near ugledar we are interested in and whether the russian troops are somehow trying to advance further, we want to hear from you directly, well, the situation

compared to the last few days, the situation is difficult, huh , and they're not going to stop, they've got the prosthesis, height... which became another advantage for them, apart from having more resources, more people, more equipment, more a-a shells, more cabs, aviation, they have another additional one additional advantage, which is height , which will allow , well, it is better to inflict fire damage, tell me, please, mr. arseniy, that's what you 're talking about. about the fact that now it is really a disaster, well, on the one hand, it is a destroyed city, and president zelenskyy said today that there is no point in losing the lives of ukrainians, for the sake of

buildings, which are actually buildings in the full understanding of this word cannot be called, but on the other hand, from the point of view that again, referring to this previous answer of yours, russia... they are not going to stop and will use ugledar as a springboard, yes, they can use for further offensive, uh, do you think, were there any chances to hold the ugladar? there were chances to get it, but for this it was necessary to have at least parity in resources, in those resources that the enemy has, for six months, even more, a little more than six months, this is happening... constant daily pressure, the assaults begin in the morning, before that the shelling, before that the shelling with kabs, they level everything, well, that is,

so that you understand what kabs they are, for example, with which they attack cities, buildings, you can see the ugledar, how it is destroyed, what remains of these projectiles, and they launch such projectiles at the positions of our units, where there can be from two people to... six people, they have nothing, do not count, and this happened for more than six months, every day 24x7, different variations can be, starting with artillery, ending kamikaze drones and vice versa, constantly their planes, scouts, wing scouts in the sky, adjusting fire, counter, counter- battery, very strong ret. very strong rap, which is difficult to counter, and our birds, who are trying to do something in the sky, it is much more difficult for them when the rap of the russians is working. do you have

an understanding arseny, well, do you have an understanding of how much reserve they spent in order to capture this city of ours, because there was information that it was and we know what tactics, they usually act, they really are not there they feel sorry for their soldiers, but what information do you have, and tactics, they change, war. it is dynamic and it changes, more precisely, changes are dictated by the means of impressions that appear on the battlefield, we invented something, they, they immediately invent a countermeasure, they use something, they apply something, we invent our countermeasure, to their means, six months ago, they did not fly into positions on motorcycles, a year ago they did not have so many fpi drones, a year and a half ago, or even a year ago, they

did not carry out positions. and boar because they they realized that it was possible otherwise, they realized that it would be a compromise, they couldn’t take it, as they wanted to do in january, february of 23, we managed then, a lot, a very big role was played, anti-tank equipment played, just their columns remained firmly outside the borders of dar, they were not going anywhere else, and now everything is different, small groups, a lot of these groups, move in the direction... supported by equipment, disembark, they can move two people, for example, in the direction of our positions , and as long as they are conducted, when they are conducted, when fire starts to be opened there and from different means depending on the number of people, or it will be motorcycles, just infantrymen, they see from the scouts, and from where the fire can enter and it

is suppressed. but this is all the evolution of real combat on a real battlefield . thank you, arseniy prylipka, press officer of the 72nd separate mechanized brigade named after the black zaporozhets of the armed forces of ukraine, who defended voglodar to the last, when it was possible and when the only way out of the situation in order to to save the lives of ukrainian servicemen, it was necessary to leave it. city, a short advertisement, after it we return to the air of the espresso tv channel, we continue to work on youtube. for joint and back pain, i take dr. theis's comfrey ointment. the ointment contains natural components that suppress pain and inflammation. healthy joints and back allow you to lead an active lifestyle. a natural german

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