i am always inclined to consider the specifics of my work from the perspective of corruption, and i often hear such things in other spheres, that it was not possible otherwise, there were force majeure and so on, but you know, these words very often turn out to be just a screen to hide real intentions. in this case , nabu is definitely working on this case, i will hope that the official investigation will show who is right about what. and what is the role of the ministry of defense and in particular umerov's ministers in this? you criticized him before, in particular the department yes, the ministry of defense for trying to unite the defense procurement agency and the state operator tyla, and now we see that the special importer was also taken from the sub-management of gur and transferred directly to the ministry of defense, and these are all links of the same chain, i think so, and unfortunately, well after all, the whole story is much more multifaceted, that is , look, on the one hand, the special importer is being sorted out, well, it was handed over to the ministry of defense,

which means that the company there will be cleared, well, i think, de facto liquidated there, but no one can guarantee now what, well there, attempts to displace the head of the defense agency in zakopane will end there, but it was not possible to merge with the state operator tyla there, or rather to put it under another agency, they may try to come in some other way, that's why, as they say, i'm waiting for the ministry of defense to do it. his obitsinka and will quickly appoint a supervisory board with the participation of foreign representatives, well, so that, you know, people with not impure intentions, well, there was no such opportunity to get rid of maryna bezrukova very easily in the agency, well, but of course we will watch all this, because on conu, well, it is an incredibly large sum, in the history of ukraine, i don't even remember if there was an early, earlier, at least some kind of structure that would have a budget... well, the size of it is 300 billion uah, which

is formed there in the fact that buy and sell , yes, it will be very easy to steal money sometimes, unfortunately, that is why it is a temptation for many, mr. yuriy, but how did you understand this comment by umerov to ukrainian pravda, where he explains the reason why special technology export was taken away from the leadership of the gur, if i if i understood correctly, it was about what to spend on... after all there is an audit, but the auditors could not get access to the information, how can this be explained, how, how come they did not have this access? well, of course, the simplest explanation, it lies on the surface, kirill budanov, as the head of the gur, yes, is quite an independent figure, and to some extent it is justified, because the main intelligence management, well, our combat structure, yes, it should not be, you know , a gateway for everything, of course, the ministry of defense, as the leadership should have access to a lot of information. but all the same we

must consider that as for any spy structure, intelligence, counter-intelligence, it doesn’t matter, the spy structure of the gur must have certain funds that do not shine in the system transparently, relatively speaking, well, there must be cash, yes there are such types of operations, we all perfectly understand and no need to be afraid of that , of course, the ministry of defense should have some understanding of how much of that money is... how much money is used for good purposes, how much is used for bad purposes, but you know, purely polish, i somewhat understand why the driver of the ministry of defense did not, well, there was no holiday the door is open in guri on this matter, but there is also a political aspect here, of course, in recent months we have only had conversations that when budanov is removed or the president's office is not satisfied with them, he was even suspended from organizing the kurdish operation, so... well, there is

more and there is some kind of subtext, but i don’t want to stir up some conspiratorial piles of everything here, we just have the bare fact now, well, what has already been done, the special technologist has been checked, there are quite strong suspicions to believe that everything was not in accordance with and in accordance with law enforcement agencies will draw their conclusions, and i think we will understand the further development soon. about politics , was there any political component or were there any other possible reasons for committing this pogrom ? mr. yuriy, i will briefly clarify: you believe that there is still no reason to believe that the political factor played a priority role here, but this story already adds so much to the conversations about the fact that kyrylo bodanov is probably already... well, it can to be used

simply now in any case, yes, even if kirill budanov still had everything yesterday well there with volodymyr zelenskyi, well, conditionally speaking, he could somehow renew contact there, then... now with the publication of this story, well, as always happens with journalists, you do your work, someone else uses it for their own purposes. well, as they say, this is ukraine. thank you, rfe/rl will continue to closely monitor this situation, possible corruption in the procurement of weapons for ukraine. we actually discussed this topic just now with yuriy nikolov, journalist and founder of the our money project. progress has been made between ukraine and poland in one of the most difficult issues of bilateral relations: the exhumation, remains and perpetuation of the memory of the victims of the volyn tragedy. in response to the requests of polish citizens, the ukrainian institute of national remembrance is going to begin work on the search

and exhumation of the remains of poles in the rivne region in 2025. the department noted that if polish citizens can clarify potential places for searching for remains, the institute of the national will try to help them despite the war and difficult economic situation. in poland received several statements from leading politicians that ukraine will not start the process of joining the eu without solving the issue of the volyn exhumations. poland will preside over the eu in the first half of next year. it became known about the step forward in warsaw also against the background of the visit of the minister of foreign affairs andrii sybiga to poland this week. the minister told radio svoboda that kyiv is ready to solve more complex issues of relations with warsaw. we have enough political will and diplomatic pressure to resolve any and including the most difficult issues, above all, including with our closest allies, friends, poles, because we will

talk about this topic today. so, what does this progress indicate in the seemingly rather controversial issue between kyiv and warsaw, and how will it affect ukraine's european integration. we will talk about this later. with us at... anton drubovych, head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance. good evening. my regards. let's start with what actually prompted the decision to grant permission for excavations and exhumations works in the rivne region, specifically now? well, actually, we actually received a request a month ago, actually, one of the polish citizens wrote us a letter, because the polish institutions, which have been dealing with this for years, do not make any progress, as i understand it. that polish citizens, so to speak, have lost hope in their specialized institutions and are already writing to us directly. we analyzed the situation, there, in fact, we studied the data that the polish citizen wrote to us, if she could specify the geolocations and so on, we understood that it is necessary to help and facilitate here, and although

the polish side does not fulfill its agreements, and since 2015 ukrainian graves have been vandalized in poland and have not been restored contrary to the agreements, well, we have to go to specific... poles, specific polish citizens, no matter how ineffective it may be were their institutions working, well, that is, i understood correctly that you just said that there were no appeals from official state polish institutions to ukraine with a request to allow examination papers? look, i wrote a letter in polish two weeks ago the ministry of culture and the polish institute of national remembrance with a request where exactly in which places they need research papers or examination papers. but he also reminded that since the grave-monastery has been vandalized until now, and there is no list of names, that is, someone spontaneously breaks it with a sledgehammer, throws it away, then some unidentified persons install some other non-grave structures, while there is such a mess, well, accordingly, we we are waiting for poland to restore order and

implement the actual agreement of 1994, and we addressed this signal to the polish side and we hope to receive from them a list of what exactly they want, what exactly, where, what works need to be carried out. well, accordingly, since a member of the institute is in the state intelligence commission, which is engaged in solving these issues, on the one hand, and on the other hand, we received this polish request from a specific citizen, who already, well, i understand that she could not find any effective tools in poland and contacted us directly, well, despite this situation, we will try to help in the work plan for the 25th year, we will give this plan works is a specific legal document, and plus i asked the government to create a separate budget program for... next year, so that at least a million hryvnias would be there, so that it would be possible to conduct search operations in such emergency cases, because in our there are also our own needs, which are connected there with the second world war, the search works of the liberation movement, but if there are such cases as this case described by the polish, well, let's help

the citizens of poland, well, that is, i still want to once again clarify, appeals from the state there were no institutes, there was an appeal from you, you did not receive an answer, but the initiative still comes from you, we... so far we only hear public statements about this from polish politicians and government officials there, i understood correctly, look, yes, during the last time , there were no specific appeals from official polish institutions, moreover, in 2020 we agreed on a working group at the level of the institutes of polish and our national memory, polish colleagues have not approved the regulations since 21 , in the 22nd year ministers glinskyi and tkachenko signed a memorandum in ukrainian time on the creation of a working group as well, the ukrainian part of the group has been formed and is waiting for some information about the polish one, it is not known whether it has been formed, accordingly, no activity has been monitored, i think, against the background of the fact that these tools are not working , that is why polish citizens began to directly... appeal, as far as concerns, well, let's say, the monastery mountains, well, this situation

is generally absurd, and everyone who has the material, even the former minister of foreign affairs poland writes that this is some kind of absurd, there is a table in the forest, why is it not restored, i do not understand, polish politicians do not understand, and in fact, this is the only obstacle, by the way, in any permits, and why it will not be restored the new democratic government of poland, absolutely legal? the grave, which the poles themselves installed with their own money, is a mystery to me. well, do you have any guesses why? well, there is a hypothesis that one of the deputies of the polish parliament shared with me. he said, well, why should our officials do anything if they have not done anything since 2015 in this, on this track, all the same, once there are some permits at some time, ukraine is still with gestures of goodwill, because ukraine treats polish citizens well to poland, gives. permits in lviv, for example, at the lychakiv cemetery, where the polish

sector allowed to establish, although they did not stand up, well, they were not agreed upon and were closed for years, he says, then why should the poles, if they are already making progress, why should they fulfill their duties, they will continue to wait little by little, but leaving this trump card, so to speak, give, well, yes, accordingly, this one turns out convenient in political terms, you can play fighters for historical memory, and at the same time ignore it. the topic that ukrainian graves are vandalized in poland, well, i hope that this is some kind of deep misunderstanding, but it has been going on for almost 10 years, so it is a big mystery for me here, what is the motivation of these people, well, but considering , that we actually treat the polish people well and will somehow look for methods of help, and most of the statements we talked about are not professional, these statements, stories that let's exhume, well, it's just ridiculous, that's why that before exhuming something, one must first... carry out research, exploratory excavations, understand the location, the condition of the remains, whether there is a need for

exhumations, and so on, here we hear from the ministers, from the prime minister, from the president made a statement about the exhumations, that is, not about the previous stages, not about the end, maybe there is no need, maybe there can be a memorialization on the spot, well, it looks like some kind of pure, pure politicization, and not a substantive conversation, because it is a professional topic, there should be commissions here. which haven't for years they are creating, they just have to figure it out, what is the situation in these places, what are the results of search operations, who is needed there, maybe a forensic expert is needed there, this information is needed somewhere, a memorial is needed somewhere, well, that is, it is a complex complex topic that they have to deal with experts, and not politicians, to throw out dozens of statements a week, well, you just voiced a lot of concerns on our airwaves, so to speak, or misunderstandings, yes, a misunderstanding of the motivations of polish officials and... radio svoboda must will turn, in fact, to polish historians, to polish analysts and to polish

politicians, government officials, in order to understand and hear their position, why this is so, why this is happening, and i want to note here that we will continue to follow this topic, because here it is really important to understand in polish-ukrainian relations how both sides approach this solution and why it is important, in particular, it is certainly important from the point of view of historical memory, but it also affects ... the future, that is in particular polish official representatives recently linked the issue of the european integration of ukraine with the issue of the volyn tragedy, and here i will remind you once again that poland will preside over the eu in the first half of 2025, and how this misunderstanding, in particular on the issue of the start of exhumation, affects european integration, or can it to become some kind of engine for finding understanding. well , look, that's all that remains a mystery to me, when he... they talk about one of the stages related to memory retention, because the examination is only one of the stages, there is

archival research, then search earthworks work, according to the results of search reports , an exhumation is taking place, so , accordingly, why are some terms being pulled out of the general process, maybe because it sounds ethically loud, i don’t know, so in fact there is no problem here, if the polish side wants to raise the issue of implementation obligations under international agreements, respectively. to the principles and principles of the eu and the values ​​of the eu, then there is no problem, let them ask specific questions, which i remember, there were sometime in 2019, it seems that the previous head of the polish ipn assigned list of cities memories, regarding which the polish side has proposals, visions and so on, well, okay, this is a normal list, let's figure out what the problem is, why isn't a memorial being built there or in one or another place, why is there have not been held, that is, this is a specific substantive conversation, here when we say, friends, let’s gather all the working groups, work out a specific list, put it forward, if you want it as part of

the negotiation package, please, without problems, and you understand what the problem is, the first question will be , and why don't you fulfill your agreement until... we talked about many important aspects and that there is still much to discuss and figure out here. thank you for joining our broadcast, the head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance, anton drubovych, was in touch with us. this is the end of svoboda live, thank you for watching, and finally please subscribe to our pages on social networks and like this broadcast, this program was hosted by sashko shevchenko, goodbye, discover

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you are watching the program of the ukrainian service voice of america time time. my name is maria ulyanovska. congratulations. the new secretary general of nato, mark rutte, paid an unannounced visit to kyiv just two days after taking office. after meeting with president zelenskyi, ryuta emphasized that ukraine's victory is his priority, and russia has neither the right to vote nor the right to veto ukraine's membership in nato. he also supported ukraine's right to strike targets on the territory of the russian federation. i am here for the first time as the secretary general of nato. and it is also important for me that i came to ukraine at the beginning of my term, to be clear to explain to you the people of ukraine and to everyone. who is watching that nato supports ukraine? it is my priority and privilege as the new secretary general of nato to build on this support. first of all, ukraine obviously

has the right to... be baptized and international law is on the side of ukraine here, that is, this right does not end at the border, and russia is waging this illegal war, which means that attacks on russian fighter jets and missiles before how they are used against the civilian infrastructure of ukraine can help save lives. the only one the country that crossed the red line here is not ukraine, but russia, by starting this war. in this context, ryuta recalled the meeting in... matsi ramstein on october 12, which was called by joe biden. however , he did not provide details about important decisions for kyiv. during the nato secretary general's visit, ukraine's president once again called on allies to shoot down iranian missiles and drones used by russia to attack ukraine, just as some of israel's allies did when attacking tehran this week. more on whether the us is ready to take such a step, let's talk with yulia yarmolenko, who is joining from the white house.

i congratulate you, yulia! congratulations, maria! how do american officials explain why the us helps israel shoot down missiles and does not help ukraine? yes, maria, this is a question that has already been repeatedly raised in the direction of the administration of the united states, and the administration is being pressured not only by the ukrainian president, ukrainian officials, but also by these calls from experts and even from certain leaders in europe, in particular from lithuania, we hear such statements, but what we hear earlier was the attack in april about... against iran against israel, and then the voice of america asked the representative of the white house, john kirby, why not actually help ukraine shoot down these missiles in the same way that they help israel. and then john kirby said that these are completely different conflicts, different airspace, different level of threat. he said that since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, us president joe biden has made it clear that the united states will not be involved in this conflict in any military capacity.

that is, american troops will not be involved in this war, and it appears that this position has not changed at the moment, the day before, in particular , the adviser, the spokesman of the state department , matthew miller, was asked the same question, and he in particular voiced the previous thesis that came from the white house, that the united states is doing everything possible to help ukraine shoot down these missiles on its own. let's listen to matty miller's own words. not only in words, but also in... we made it clear that we support ukraine's right to defend itself, and we provided them with the necessary equipment for shooting down missiles. if you look at the air defense systems that we have provided, including the new system that we announced last week, we have actually provided them with that capability and we will continue to provide that capability. yulia, the white house called this attack by iran an escalation, do they support

israel's desire to withdraw? lead or, on the contrary, try to prevent the spread of war? you know, maria, indeed in the white house and in the biden administration, in general, they say that they do not want more regional conflict, they do not want more war, but they talk about in particular, president joe biden said the day before that he understands and supports israel's right to respond, and he said that this response must be proportionate, also when asked if the united states supports ... possible attacks by israel against iran's nuclear weapons objects, he said no, but as far as a potential israeli retaliatory attack against some iranian oil storage facilities, the president of the united states has left the door open, he said that there are discussions about that, also what we heard from him, he said that now when he was asked whether he supports or...

allows the united states to respond to israel, he said that we are only advising and advising israel, and he also said that today some sort of retaliatory attack israel is not expected. yuli, at this stage, is it even possible to prevent a regional conflict and the involvement of the usa in this war, what do the experts say? but maria, you know, this is a very interesting question, because some experts here in washington are talking about the fact that this... line has already been crossed, because already it seems that now israel will give a response, after that iran will also respond, but a lot, experts say, depends on what exactly will be iran's response to the response that israel is currently preparing. it also appears that experts say the united states is already involved in one way or another in this conflict because it is helping israel defend itself and is willing to do so.