for the next hour we are talking about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory. let's talk about what is currently happening in kurshchyna, and about the withdrawal of the armed forces of ukraine from ugledar. we will have three guests for an hour: roman kostenko, oleksandr kovalenko and viktor boberenko. however, before starting our big conversation today, i suggest looking at the implications. of another racist attack on kharkiv, on the evening of october 2, they attacked kharkiv cabs, a high-rise building was destroyed, so far it is known about 12 victims, including a three-year-old girl, also damaged high-voltage transmission lines in the city, there may be power outages, let's see.

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live on these platforms now, please subscribe to our platforms and also take part in our poll, today we ask you about whether zelensky should release his victory plan, meaning the plan that and the president of ukraine and the head of his office presented in united states of america. so, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, if you have a separate opinion, please write it in the comments under this video. if you... watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers. if you think that zelensky should publicize his plan for victory in ukraine. 0800 211 381. no 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free. vote at the end of the program , we will sum up the results of this vote. i want to introduce today's our first guest, this is roman kostenko, popular. deputy

of ukraine, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the security service of ukraine. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, thank you for joining the broadcast. greetings, good evening everyone. mr. colonel, since we are asking our viewers and tv viewers whether zelensky should make his victory plan public and whether it is possible, said the head of the president's office andriy yermak, what do you think is the plan that... was presented in the united states of america, or should it be made public in ukraine? well , at least someone other than the president's office should see it, and i believe that the committee should also see it and, well, let's say this, not the committee, the people's deputies, i don't know who in the government is involved in what, well, society, of course, we have to understand, i don't think there is anything so secret, of course, if there is a secret part of it, it's one story, well, in general... i think points, i even before

he went to show it in the united states, said that well, of course, it should be like at least it was talked about by society, by members of society in order to understand, and what is there in that regard, so of course we would like to see it, i think that many people would also like to see it, because the president primarily represents the entire country, and not oneself. absolutely true. mr. colonel, today the secretary general of nato, the new secretary general of nato, mark rutte, the former prime minister of the netherlands, visited kyiv, this is his first visit abroad in his new status, and during the meeting with rutte, zelenskyi spoke about zelenskyi called the situation with the coal mine the right exit of the ukrainian armed forces from the city, because it made it possible to save the lives of the fighters. let's listen to what the supreme commander-in-chief said. the command

of the armed forces of ukraine. without the appropriate weapons, we cannot stop the russian federation using a response. weapons against us, destroys everything, and when they destroy the positions of our fighters, they must save their lives, because they are much more important than any buildings, and because they are our people, they are citizens of ukraine, and therefore it is very right that they leave and can save themselves for the sake of the state and for their own... mr. colonel, in the 72nd brigade of black zaporozhets they say that the withdrawal from ugledar made it possible to minimize the loss of personnel. why then do some analysts talk about the untimeliness of the

withdrawal order? look, i'm about, about what the president said, from my point of view , it doesn't matter what the supreme... the commander-in-chief thinks in terms of what he thinks, how he thinks, let's say, whether it was right or wrong, if he believes that it is right, this is his point of view, it was proved to him by the commanders, but to say to the whole country that withdrawal is right, as you as the supreme, and to encourage it in the future, well, i think this is the wrong story of me as a military man , as a person who also performed combat tasks, i think that it should be discussed in a different way here, that in relation to the right... it is wrong, but i think that it is necessary to talk with the military, what was the situation there, what was the situation 70 , the second brigade, there are different versions, that we are there learned about what forces and means they had, that they were worn out there, everyone

wanted to change them, but then the circumstances turned out to be such that they were not changed, and they continued to stand there in an incomplete composition, erased and kept on until the end well, in 72, i think the heroic thing was that the enemy uses the means there, well, yes, it’s cabs, but i think the problem is deeper, it’s not only in cabs, it’s also in training, in the presence of trained personnel, everything needs to be analyzed here, and i say once again that of course, whatever it wasn't, it's very bad that we left the outpost that we held for almost three years, of course the consequences need to be discussed at least. to investigate and see where and why we did that, that the soldiers kept the same 72nd for three years, they did not keep it here. mr. colonel, what could be the consequences of the withdrawal of the armed forces from ughledar, given the disposition of the forces there,

that is, what does ughledar give to the russians? and i 'm talking about the ugledar himself . is advancing further into our territory, there are formations such as, well, let's say, such protrusions that will allow the enemy to develop success later, well, the most important thing is that we are withdrawing, and retreating troops, this is exactly the same story once upon a time, when we from avdiyivka er, they went out, and there, let’s say, in military art... it is very simple and easy to use an attack on a retreating enemy, if you do not have ready communications, if you do not have a ready defense behind you, where the troops are already standing, no those who depart, who are in bad the moral and psychological state of those who have been hit there by the battles, and it is very difficult for them

to get hold of even a ready-made fortification, you need someone to stand and hold, if this is not there, then the enemy can squeeze you and in this way you can lose more territories, so i hope , that... well , everything will end there with the withdrawal from the city itself, then they will occupy the lines that are prepared there and will continue to hold the defense, because well, if it is difficult to say, and i will say from a military point of view, if starting from the principle that we are leaving so that we are not there losses, then in general we need to retreat everywhere, we need to fight, we need to hold our territory, inflict losses on the enemy and not allow...things when we enter a semi-encirclement and become endangered, do not allow this, then it will be possible to fight, of course, in the war not everything is there, not everything always works out, but we need to get to this, we need to go to this, mr. colonel, for two months, well,

almost two months, the armed forces of ukraine have been in kurshchyna, i know that the fighters with whom you are fighting part of the fighters too are in kursk oblast, that... your brothers about the situation in the territory of the russian federation, of course the situation there has changed, compared to when we entered there and now against it. has already pulled up forces there, quite serious forces, and he already has more than 40 thousand there, when at the beginning there were practically, well, let's say, his forces were small, there was no one, and we could advance even while leaving the enemy behind us , then he was taken away, now the situation is more difficult, the enemy, in addition to that is holding the defense, in some directions it is still trying to win back, and there is such a maneuverable war, there are not even... defensive lines, a maneuverable war, which now both we with our own forces and the enemy are trying

to use maneuvers to create a situation when someone better, with the help of a better maneuver, will find himself in a winning situation, we can see this in the direction of the river, which fell from the head of the river, yes, across the seim river, where the enemy is now trying to keep his troops and beds of fontoni crossing constantly, supporting, unfortunately, he succeeds in this, but we defeat them, but they, with all truths and lies, put up these crossings, we are trying to cut off the offensive on lyubimivka, well, let’s say such a maneuverable war, advantages, to say that someone there has 100% , in us due to the fact that we wedged so much of their territory and now leads there. hostilities, there is no longer such activity in the offensive in our country as it was, but

we still have the initiative in some areas. mr. colonel, i wanted to ask you about the situation, which consists of mobilization and not only on territory of ukraine, because the ministry of defense of ukraine announced that it had opened the first recruiting center in polish lublin, and this center is already starting to work there. there is a military medical commission, but, as the polish minister of defense władysław kosyniak kamysh says, among ukrainians abroad, there are still not enough people willing to form the ukrainian legion. let's hear what he said. we are responsible for recruiting, we are responsible for training and education. we are ready for this training, however the number of people who have had a challenge. ukrainian

the declarations at the beginning were very high that even one brigade could be formed, i.e. several thousand people, but this did not happen. mr. colonel, how do you currently assess the pace of mobilization for the armed forces, and this idea of ​​creating ukrainian legions at the expense of conscripted men who are in poland and other countries. western europe, well, if we are talking about europe, then we should use all the opportunities, but i do not expect that there will be a strong rate of mobilization there, of course we have to count only on all our internal processes, where we can at least influence something, there, unfortunately, we cannot influence anything, so there at the expense of volunteers, and we see that those who left, they have already shown their attitude and especially there, they have no desire to return, so this is an opportunity for those... people who want to join there, but let it be,

as for our mobilization, well, it is going, and i have already said that it has decreased recently the pace of mobilization, and in particular, well, now we see that even the ministry the ministry of defense and the general staff are looking for mechanisms to somehow improve it, including that commanders were given the right to directly enroll servicemen without the tsk. now this story has already begun and it will work, therefore, of course, we need to use all opportunities, including motivation, recruiting, mobilization, so that we have people in our troops and in the army, if we do not come up with recruiting directly . topic , mobilization will remain the basis of our army, because we see that the state is not

ready to allocate money for motivation, there is none, to pay high sums to all military personnel there, as it is even done there in the russian federation, so here we just need to look, i don’t know what, what opportunities, for example, i once offered and ... well, they didn't listen to this, but i continue to talk about it, even when we talk about motivation, about the lack of funds, really for those currently conscripted, that... let's have it so that you understand, we even , when we accept the budget now, 80% of the funds go to maintenance of the army, for servicemen, for salaries, that is, we do not have missiles, we do not have ammunition, we do not have, let's say, enough ammunition, but we, let's say,

we pay the funds, that's right, to get soldiers, it's not about soldiers, this is about... and when they told me that look, there are no funds, when i said, let's increase the motivation of people and for the fact that they enter, for the fact that they sign contracts, there are no funds, i offered a story about deposits , let's give even the one that was removed, i say give it we will not withdraw, for example , we will open a deposit for a serviceman who is serving, where these 30,000 will go and after the war we will be able to give them to people there. will be able to use it there for housing, for children's education, for everything she needs there in reasonable, let's say, ways, and then, they say, how to give it back later, well, that's also a question, for example, we are served there million, let it be one and a half by the end of the war, well two, and there are still 40 million people, and well, i don't know,

let's say, let's raise the tax on these people, these 40 million that will pay... a little more and give funds to those who went to fight instead of those who did not go, this is a mechanism, maybe it is unpopular, maybe it sounds somehow wrong at first, but let's talk about that when we have live money, let's invest it in victory, and we will deal with the defenders, then we will be grateful to them to the end and also give them the opportunity to give these funds later, now the main thing is victory, and all efforts must be abandoned on this and this is my point of view, but i certainly not about... the fact that in order to take away the funds, you need to think through the mechanisms and talk, communicate them with the defenders and society. well, against this background, mr. colonel, the national security and defense council has determined the main parameters of the defense budget for 2025, and it is about the fact that no less

than 206.3% of gdp will be spent on defense, and in money terms it is more than two . hryvnias, for comparison, before the start of a full-scale war, the national security council demanded to allocate at least 5% of the planned gdp for defense, that is, five times more. zelenskyi says that ukraine is starting to increase the production of its own weapons, in the first half of this year, ukraine produced 25 times more ammunition for artillery and mortars than in the entire 22nd year of increasing production in other countries. weapons, let's listen to what zelensky said, and the total number of drones that we are now able to produce annually in ukraine is 4 million, and already more than 1.5 million are under contract, we are already using a completely new class of ukrainian weapons, a long-range missile, a drone, a clearing

other types of our long-range drones work, working marine for the defense of ukraine , our new ballistic missile successfully passed flight tests, everyone can see how our neptunes work. mr. colonel, i will ask you as a person who not only passes laws and writes laws, but also uses weapons, how many ukrainian weapons are currently on the front, well... let's start with the budget, about the fact that we really have about 2 trillion now allocated to the defense forces, in general, for the armed forces, it is 500 billion, there is a little more, but even when we adopted the budget a few days ago, all the defense forces have declared that it is theirs, if we talk about the maintenance of the personnel, i have already said about the maintenance of a million shares, it is for nine months, but now, if we

were told last year that they thought that the war would end inside there, that's why they didn't add it, now it provides... months and more due to the defense, there will be no money for wages and now there is a budget deficit of about 400 billion and that's how we are planning 23%, that's all , we have a deficit because we are armed forces are planning to expand and other defense forces are recruiting, mobilization is going to be maintained, it is necessary and of course this requires large investments in weapons, well, of course there is a missile program, the one that the president is talking about, and when he talks about successful exams, of course, i would like it to be more successful, it is a little further. as for the weapons that are produced in ukraine, well, weapons are produced, yes, there are more of them than there were, but for me, well, here you can contribute in different ways, there

it is assembled and produced, and there you can buy some different components somewhere and assemble them in ukraine , say, we produce weapons, but it is possible to produce explosives, gunpowder there from the very beginning, and this is another production, and here, looking at what kind of production we are talking about, for me the production of weapons is a complete cycle, it is when we, i don't know, produced nitrogen there ourselves. acid, when we made it, there was tnt, or hexagen, or something else, then this hexagen, we phlegmatized it there, poured it into shells, made it ourselves, there are chains of fire that will be in the detonators, this is normal for me the story is about a complete cycle, and we do something, we compose something, but we have to move towards more, well, of course, it is more than it was. at some point it is necessary to build up, of course, there is on the battlefield our weapons, but of course there are not enough weapons at all, not from what our partners give, not from what we produce, so we need to do

more and pay attention to this, namely to the full cycles of the production of weapons, and not to their assembly. thank you, colonel, for the conversation, this was roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, colonel of the security service of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are now. watch us live on these platforms, please subscribe to ours page, take part in our poll, today we ask you the following question: should zelenskyi make public his victory plan, which he presented last week in the united states of america. so, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers. if so, well... 800-21381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free of charge vote at the end of the program we will match

the results of this vote. next, we have oleksandr kovalenko, a military-political observer of the information resistance group, at zzu. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for joining the broadcast today. good evening. indeed, good evening, good news from voronisk. regions of russia, defense forces arrived today and struck the berysa glebsk airfield in the voronezh region with drones . guided aerial bombs were located there, su-35 and su-34 aircraft were located, as well as aviation fuel storage facilities, do you know about the consequences of this attack, what we got as a result of it, well, and most importantly - how the russians react to it, because literally a week ago, putin said that when changing the concept of nuclear deterrence, they made a point

that if drones would fly into their territory from a foreign state, then they will use nuclear weapons , including. well, there is information about directly striking this object. now not so much, it is known that there was a fire, and at the same time it was verified in several locations this fire, i think that in the near future the first satellite images will appear directly of the airfield itself, ah, because always after such strikes, verification takes place with the help of a satellite, to hide something, there is no such possibility, now in russia, ah... in order not to allow the satellites to film this or that moment, but as for the general threat from putin, the war

criminal, then everything is quite simple here, he is now using this element of nuclear blackmail, as before, to intimidate both ukrainians and our partners , that is, this classics, and this is the only toolkit they now have to threaten the world... they can no longer threaten the world with their army, which is somehow invincible, invincible and all that, they cannot threaten with weapons that have no analogues in the world, which we we see how it is being destroyed in ukraine itself, and geopolitically, they also do not have the same reputation and influence now as it was before the full-scale invasion of ukraine, and economic factors also affect it, so there is only one element of threats and blackmail, that is me... nuclear weapons, but again after all, this is exclusively an informational and psychological context in this very, let's say, new

nuclear doctrine, which they... are now considering something more fundamental, that really represents a real threat in this , i do not see and do not think that it will be applied in reality, although b one of these new items. against this background, the russians continue their offensive in donbas, and it has already been officially announced that the armed forces of ukraine have withdrawn from vogledar, the evacuation of wounded soldiers from vogledar was difficult, but the withdrawal from the city allowed minimizing losses. announced this on the air arseniy prylipka, the press officer of the 72nd separate mechanized brigade of the black zaporizhzhya armed forces, told radio svoboda, let's hear what he said. of course, this is war. it cannot be without losses, but due to the fact that we moved to another frontier and occupied it, we

minimized them. as much as possible, because holding the city further would be critical for our units, difficult, and we would suffer more losses. mr. oleksandr, how will the withdrawal of the armed forces from ugledar affect the front and the russians' ability to continue hostilities. in the direction of pokrovsk, well, from perspective in the zaporozhye direction, ugledar first of all, it will have more influence on the kurakhovsky direction, and why this is already felt, because ugledar has been the epicenter of the use of cabs by the russians for the past two weeks, and by the way, this is one of the reasons why it was impossible to keep ugledar in the defense, why was it impossible to keep it

under... the control of the defense forces of ukraine, because the city was simply destroyed by non-stop coordinated aerial bombs. this was the epicenter of the use of cabs compared to the entire line of buffing, and it was happening throughout more than two weeks from the moment when the russians approached already from the eastern direction along the 05-32 route, approached the coal mine itself, this was the very catalysis of the kabama strikes, and therefore... now the release of this resource of corrected air bombs and their reorientation to kurakhov. now kurakhov is already beginning to be catalyzed by strikes with the use of corrected aerial bombs, in the future the russians will direct their main units, forces for the attack on the epiphany, after the coal-fired. and

novoukrainka, well, novoukrainka is from the direction of the clearing, from the direction of the coal mine, it will already be on bogoyavlka, it is along these lines that they will try to break through, in principle, if you combine the kurakhovsky direction with pokrovsky, and call them pokrovsky-kurakhovsky, then the reorientation of strikes kabami and will influence in the future on kurakhovo, will influence in the future also... on the formation of the southern flank in the pokrov direction, and therefore, in principle, it can be connected with each other, although the occupation of the coal mine - this is not a reason for panic in the matter of the collapse of the front, because the main lines of defense and the border, they are located north of the ugledar, these are exactly those between the villages i am talking about nova ukrainka and bogoyavlenka, that is the line of defense , but there is another minus

from... the capture of the coal miner, the main minus is that it gave the possibility of full fire control, artillery of the section of the railway from donetsk to volnovakha, that is, the railway through volnovakha can resume its work in the near future, logistics, railway logistics can begin to work for the russian occupiers precisely through volnovakha to the south of the zaporizhzhia region in the first place, and this is negative. factor from the occupation of the coal mine, although we reserve the possibility of fire impact on this area using, for example, m142 highmers or long-range missiles of the atakam stormshade and skapgj type. mr. oleksandr, another direction that appeared in the armed forces of ukraine on august 6, 2024, the kurdish direction, for two months already the ukrainian army has been