assault actions of the enemy, it does not avoid the direction of guleipil, which our battalion has been defending for almost two years. currently, we need three times more corrections and fire damage from the sky. therefore, we are appealing to everyone who cares to collect funds for 20 dji mavic classic drones and 10 3t mavics. yes, the amount is not small, but the life of your siblings and relatives is much more expensive. we really hope for your support. donate and share. let's not let the occupier take a step further together. and let's speed up the victory together, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, congratulations, thank you for being with espresso, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, and today i have the honor of interviewing you with a very unusual guest from... after all, we are doing this interview in

a place where i am also a guest, this not our studio, and we are very grateful to knigartnit, for the fact that we have the opportunity to record in this beautiful city, indeed, i hope for an interesting interview, in fact, today we will talk about the war through the eyes of a soldier, we will talk about how he sees trends in ukrainian society and as a military one react to what is happening outside our country. i will probably start with what i will remind, the rapid response brigade of rubizh. you know the servicemen of this brigade well, some of them are good friends of our broadcasters, these are people who participated in battles in the kyiv region, this is gostomel, then it is rubizhne, severodonetsk, battles for bakhmud, and now the rubizh brigade is working in kharkiv region . why is it important to remember about... this brigade,

because today we are talking with major of the rubizh national guard brigade, hero of ukraine vitaly lytvyn. we welcome you. welcome you mrs. khrystyna, and dear viewers. and listeners both listen to us and watch us. ah, i would probably like to start with the general situation through your eyes, the front, rubizh is now in kharkiv oblast, and in the end we are talking about 2.5 years. of the great war, everything is changing, just recently i had a conversation with a serviceman who said: well, if in bahamud, we went there to work, relatively speaking, and the enemy was at a distance of 200-300 m from us, and we could still carry out even evacuation of civilians, if it was necessary, now says pukrovsk 7 km from the front, but i was running away from fpv. a drone,

a completely different specifics, for sure. how does the war look now through your eyes? well, i want to say that our brigade, the guards offensive brigade brigade, it is currently engaged in combat operations not only in the kharkiv region, but also in this lyman direction, and that is, in several directions, our units are currently being deployed, and recently, when i went to zone of performance of official combat tasks to units, worked, one might say, i... drove around the line from kharkiv to pokrovsk, talked with servicemen of various divisions, and you rightly say that the methods of conducting modern warfare, they change now maybe every week, every month, even maybe every day, because now the priority is the means of conducting intelligence, technical means of uavs, radar stations, which are developing as in the russian federation, as well as in our country, and are also developing.

act by these means, that is, we understand that at the beginning of the actions in the kharkiv region, that is in the direction of liptsi-vovchansk, the enemy used a large number of operational-tactical drones, such like orland 10, zala and supercam, now we can already see that as our brigade, the rubizh offensive guard brigade, started shooting down these orlans with the help of semi-drones, our brigade is also doing it, the charter brigade is doing it, and the 11th and 14th -th brigade of the national guard of ukraine. and the brigades of the armed forces of ukraine and other special forces do the same thing, that is, some technical component of conducting intelligence is developing, for example, we take uavs, they can fly to greater depths, and in opposition to this in our country the means of countering the cymbal are being developed, that is, some radar stations, tracking stations and means that can be used to attack these drones, that is, what you said about your acquaintance with bahmut. we also worked on

bakhmut, and the enemy was very close, they used a lot of artillery ammunition, and now, when we see on the territory of the russian federation, these ammunition depots can catch fire. and they understand that they also need to develop the story with fpv drones. when did this drone story even begin? when you remember, it was like that a trend when our western partners did not provide us with aid packages for some time, namely ammunition for artillery systems. as you know, this kind of challenge and response, it is in the trends of the history of civilization that arose where, first of all, there were difficult conditions, climatic conditions, where it was not possible, as, for example, in our territory. there were animals with which we could hunt, in our country we could engage in gathering, for example, the sumero-akkadian kingdom, they had to dig canals, that is, they had to survive, and the same for us, when in we had a critical story about ammunition for artillery systems, it was soviet

-made, it was the de-30, and the systems that were provided to us by our partners, these are systems of three-sevens, paladins, crabs... that is, different systems, we had a story that we want to fight, we want to survive, we want to continue building our country, and our military, our volunteers, our civilian developers began to invest in the story with fpv drones, and that is, it first arose in us because of a lack of ammunition, and now it is and in the future she compensates for a certain amount of the lack of ammunition, the russian federation analyzed, saw this, for this we have to... know that we have a very powerful enemy, they have a very powerful intellectual component, they have very powerful microelectronics, which make or part of the production component of any what drones, any ammunition, homing, the same krasnopoli, these,

any microcircuits that are printed, they have a very powerful component that remained after the collapse of the soviet union, it was the same in our country, but due to certain interventions of the russian federation in... the political processes of ukraine, it was simply destroyed, and our country was preparing for, if it were, the occupation of the russian federation, and the tendencies of conducting hostilities, they are constantly changing, this is so so so very disappointing, all these processes are leading to changes in the trends of conducting hostilities, and they are happening very rapidly now, that is, i am often asked, they tell me, you have been in the army for 10 years, a third of your life, this is actually true, and it is simple to analyze. as the development of technical means goes up, i was an operator uavs, before it became mainstream, in the 14th year i took a course, volunteers from ivano-frankivsk assembled a quadcopter for us, probably not a quadcopter, it

was there, there were more motors, propellers, eh, they assembled it on the basis of the past, i.e. the dj brains, there were controllers, they completely soldered themselves, i was already... engaged in that, and understanding from what level our uavs of domestic production have been in 10 years, i emphasize that it is domestic, not some fly that is produced in europe, then there is germany, many other countries, i want to say what at the price and at the price of western manufacturers, ours are competitive, and that is, in 10 years it is very colossal, you know, the development of all these means, then i was still an enthusiast who was engaged in radio electronic intelligence, i ordered a dvr sdr, it is such a module that shows tv channels, i connected it to the computer and just sat, listening to the enemy's radio stations and our radio stations,

because we used a lot of analog radio stations then, not digital radio stations, and understanding how this trend is now, uavs, radio-electronic intelligence have developed in 10 years. and during full-scale invasion, a lot of sleepy citizens, united citizens, they realized that there was a, you know, this period of the cold war, maybe you can call it that, it was this period of six months during the second world war, when certain countries did not give aid, they expressed concern, but no steps were taken in the direction of supporting the ukrainian state and... ukrainian citizens, yes, some assistance was provided, some sanctions, which we see, did not completely limit the military of the industrial complex of the russian federation, because french thermal imagers were also placed on their eagles, and a lot of equipment from the united states went there, that is, there were such,

you know, sympathetic eyes, sanctions that did not affect the military-industrial complex of the russian federation, and we were developing before a full-scale invasion on their own, and it was not a very large one... of citizens who were engaged in it, after a full-scale invasion, this figure jumped to the heights of many research institutes, for example, the polytechnic institute in chernihiv also joins... developments in kyiv, and many, and ivano-frankivsk, and lviv polytechnic, and many such institutes, where teachers, students, well, that is, the cities of our country in this direction, they are devoted to the progress of the military, military-industrial complex of ukraine . this, by the way, is one of the explanations why the enemy so actively raided educational institutions throughout the entire large-scale invasion, yes, yes, and we understand, this is a separate topic in general, why. remember this question, ask me the destruction of the intellectual component of ukraine and

of our citizens, this is also a very, you know, topic that can only be discussed for a few hours. i would very much like that, i think, any person who thinks in terms of humanistic categories in general, as far as possible, would like that the war, if it is already being waged, would be conducted safely for people, yes, and that they would fight. robots, there have already been precedents, if i'm not mistaken, tom cooper posted a very cool recording, where in fact a robotic platform is pulling into a position of bc fighters, and it is hit by an enemy fpv, where whose device, to be honest, i don't remember anymore, but the moment and the picture itself, when the robot hits the robot, and this confrontation takes place at this very level, gives hope that we will be able to save more... lives that are important to us, our lives, our military personnel,

regarding the people who, without whom this war is impossible, now there is a problem with the staffing of our brigades, in general with the number of military personnel, as far as i understand, we do not know specific numbers, thank god, but the mobilization continues, as it continues, it also a separate topic, yes otherwise? in your opinion, are there any deviations here, are we doing enough to prevent someone from announcing all over facebook in desperation, really desperation that they're going to the szz, or are we doing enough to, ah, on the other hand, this type of busification, as it was already called, did not happen, and for me it is the same, you know, the definition of consideration, more of a populist category, but nevertheless . are we doing enough to balance this moment, you know, it's such a very

difficult question, er actually, i think that we started to do not enough, maybe six months ago, many figures, military and political leadership, ordinary ordinary citizens began to simply relax, for many this war. began to be somewhere far away, that is, we mobilize when we hear sirens outside the window, missile danger, and this, when it directly affects those citizens who are in the rear cities, by the way, i wrote a post about pickup trucks that are in front-line cities , that is, when, you know, the city falls asleep, it is curfew in kyiv, nobody drives here, kramatorsk, slovyansk, kharkiv. zaporozhye, in sumy oblast, these cities, they come to life, and hundreds,

thousands of small pickups, yes, yes, yes, i wanted to say, but i hold back, people wake up in pixel, you know, in cartoons, even in some kind of camouflage, and these pickups start drive, and they drive at a very crazy speed, many of them drive without headlights, they move, they transport personnel, they transport material and technical values, they take out... artillery in a firing position, that is, combat work begins, it was daytime, the enemy it understands, inflicts artillery strikes, and the war does not stop for a minute, that is, when in some cities the siren goes off and a notification comes about the selection of missile danger, this process is continuous there, that is, our citizens, as they die at this minute at 10:22, so do they die and at 10:22 p.m., that is... this process is continuous, and regarding these recent public statements

that someone went to the szh, he gives an interview, he flaunts it, that he went to the szz, so this serviceman, this citizen, he leaves his fellows, that is, his work should be done even more by someone else, and you know, maybe his commander is also to blame for this, that he left, and the brigade commander, the troop commander... the formation, the president's office, the president, the entire command, and everyone citizen, that we brought this person to such a situation, there are objective, subjective reasons for... which must also be taken into account, and each situation is individual, but also the pso of the russian federation, and in general all propaganda and the federal security service of the russian federation, it is aimed at such situations, to make a split, to divide our society, as we said, we talked to you about the studio recordings and the separation of

the military and civilians into two parts, so that there would be some precedents, between them... tsk and i am very sorry when eh, we see videos, youtube shorts, riels on instagram, a clip on tiktok, where they somehow humiliate a military serviceman there , yes, there are some cases where they are unworthy to serve there, where they communicate there, and they communicate incorrectly, but in buchansky tsk tsp has an acquaintance of mine, who served as a paratrooper in the assault troops, he was wounded. and he is unfit for service in the airborne assault troops, he was sent to serve in the tsk, he faithfully fulfills his duties, and when they show some videos, i understand that it is the ipso of the russian federation, and then you go into those comments, you read and there is simply an unclear situation, what is being done, there are many bots, someone from the citizens

of ukraine is trying to do this, they are picking it up, many military people are posting it on their pages in social networks, and they spread it. the idea of ​​disuniting the ukrainian state and citizens, and such situations are a precedent for what we do not do enough in reality, i may, as a management officer, not communicate enough with certain categories of personnel and do not convey this information, but there is a sub objective, objective reasons, because i have to do a lot more work, because certain positions in our unit are not filled, as i once said, i mentioned from... the dead of my brother volodymyr ivashchenko, and i was so very angry at that time, because he was the chief sergeant of the sniper company, and he went out as a sniper in the position, and if our army had a sufficient number of servicemen, uav operators, gunners, snipers, he would not be there , and someone says, someone else would have died, no one would have died, because there would have been more

operators, there would have been more infantrymen, there would have been more groups of fire support, and they would have been able to detect that fire. the means that arrived there in time, destroy it in time, i.e. everything works in the system, and it is said somewhere, just now this is the situation, my comrades, with whom i served before, turned to me, they went to the szz, they called me, explained the situation, said, i need your advice, i in the szz, i posted my staff at homes, we want to go further to defend the country, this is what we want, we strive. some of them were already wounded and they were going back to the service, and you know, that can be a problem when the personnel is running from the commander to some incompetent, and there is when they are running away from the situation, that is, somewhere along the neutralization line, there is some kind of difficult situation, and people just want to escape from it, and you need

them to understand that when you leave this position, you leave your brothers alone with this. situations that have a character and they continue to hold weapons in their hands, and in fact the nw, well, now it is a lot of hearsay, but it is, well, in my military bubble, it is a small percentage of people who go, these are people with whom one or the other has not been spoken to situations, people who fled from the explosions did not control their psycho-emotional state there, that is, i said that unit commanders, they should also be psychologists, they should have an emotional... at a high level, to understand the processes that take place in their personnel, who can escape? you need to talk to him about this situation and explain it more thoroughly, you just know, soldiers, they come, department commanders, infantry platoon commanders, they see the situation very narrowly, the battalion commander, he already sees it for the battalion on the right, the battalion on the left, the brigade commander sees the situation brigade

on the right, the brigade on the left, and that is, it is necessary for our citizens, our servicemen to understand that they... see the situation that they need, and here we take this into account, i was the commander of the intelligence unit, and when two intelligence groups advance in parallel on task, they don't know the task of one other group, because if one of them gets captured, god forbid, he can tell about the task of another group that is doing the task in parallel, that is, there are many safeguards to avoid this, because this is war , yes people die, people are captured, and we understand this, and when we join. to the army, and when we are united, not separated by the russian federation, ours, by some misunderstanding of the situation, then we will be effective. when we go to the army, we join voluntarily, now recruiting is taking place in our unit, the third assault 58th, 28th, 54th brigades, a separate artillery

brigade, that is, you can apply immediately to come, for example, to a separate artillery brigade, they say i want to be an artilleryman, everything , we take you, you stand an artilleryman, that is, it should be done then, not when you were stopped by the tsk, taken away, you went to the bzvp, passed, got into some unfamiliar team, that is, now there are many recruiters. centers, i.e. servicemen, brigade commanders are engaged in recruiting, recruiting personnel and, well, i say this, well, about the national guard of ukraine, because a serviceman of the national guard of ukraine, these processes take place constantly in our country, er, in the armed forces, they likewise, we see bigboards happening, and the military devotes 120% to it, some there 150%, they are engaged in hr, pr, all these buzzwords. i will learn during a full-scale invasion, because we need to advertise, recruit personnel, we are already, you know, business projects, the stupid brigade is a company that provides certain

services for the state, and we also collect personnel, we transfer from other parts, you know, somewhere there we are going to another brigade, let’s do better there, our borscht is redder than your grandfather’s, yes, yes, yes, and we are recruiting personnel, and you know, maybe someone there do you think about the military and political leadership, what someone is doing somewhere, some deputies are getting money, construction, and now there are many unfortunate situations, speculative situations, such are the last two situations, these are ternopil-ivano-frankivsk regarding the construction of rehabilitation centers for veterans , but in ternopil, as i know, they built a residential complex, in ivano-frankivsk... they want to build a rehabilitation center, but the rehabilitation center will be 25% of the constructed building, everything else will be commerce, that is, it is already underway certain citizens speculate about

veterans, military personnel, in order to get some income, and these situations will arise, we can see ukrainian pravda, bigus, others, there is butusov plus, espresso, all other zmi, some independent zmi there. they highlight situations, corruption schemes, some unscrupulous citizens who flee abroad, who are now detained there, and this will happen, these are normal processes for a state in which there is a war, which is engaged in the struggle for independence, and if brothers percentage ratio, there are corruption schemes, and i communicated with certain categories of people, officials, that now corruption in the ministry of defense, in the ministry of internal... affairs, that is, in the law enforcement agencies, is the lowest in the entire history of ukraine's independence. when some precedents arise and the mass media cover them, it shows the capacity

of those media, the influence of the media, the influence of social networks, the raising of some social problem, an important problem for the army, for the formation of our state and defense capability, and then, the state and the leadership of our state takes some kind of leverage, or removes someone, or... either you already know that, or doesn’t take it, and even now it might be redundant, let’s talk about the situation when dmytruk fled and the supreme commander initiated a meeting with about this situation, that in two weeks there will be some kind of decision, uh, when it was a month and a half ago, so in my opinion, maybe these decisions were made, but they were not made public, that is, i am talking about what we now have to everyone to communicate. with each other, to me, as a commander with personnel, the military and political leadership with the military, their subordinates with their citizens, also need feedback,

a situation has arisen, it must be discussed, the decision and not disseminated, someone can say that this is secret information, i understand all this, but we can say that we have accepted decisions, processes are now taking place to improve this situation, we have gone deeper and there is a minister or deputy minister, because... he may be on some trips, to improve our influence on the international arena, i understand all this, there are spokesmen, there are press officers, which can to communicate with the citizens and with the servicemen of their country, so that this situation is not hushed up and the situation is not heated, and the russian federation does not use it, that is, any situation, or it is the szch, a serviceman who went and flaunted it, or that. .. hands, who escaped, all this must be communicated and explained to every citizen that we see these processes, they are happening, and that this does not affect the further there, nts on the arbitrary leaving

of parts, we consider why he left, how we can we analyze this situation, how can we improve it and that in the future it is not up to the commanders, here i can say, commanders of units in such a military formation as the national guard of ukraine, these processes are taking place, that is, some kind of situation has arisen, either it is of a positive nature or of a negative nature, we make a briefing about this situation and we look... what can we take from this situation that has arisen, how can we improve it, and so that this does not happen in the future, you are now painting a portrait of an ideal commander of any echelon in fact, that is, the importance of knowing, understanding what is happening in the heads and souls of subordinates, and therefore already building a strategy for your behavior with these people, because you spend most of your life with them now,

but i would like to... also note that , well, unfortunately, not always as of now, at least the commanders differ, let's call it in general, but integrity, yes, that is, there are decisions that were deliberately made, and they were deliberately made in the wrong direction, could lead to tragic consequences, everything this also exists, and this is also a normal manifestation of war, especially of such crazy intensity, and in fact, at the beginning of a large-scale invasion, our higher military command was characterized by the fact that it allowed commanders on the ground of various echelons to make decisions, that is, the moment of this delegation and understanding that a person on earth sees and understands and we trust this person, it was whether it is now and whether there is not, let's say,

a reverse process. when the commanders are perhaps hostages of the old school, let's call it that, and somewhere they are afraid to take the mountain problematic issues of their unit, which they, relatively speaking, now lead, do we generally have a problem of commanders, as of now in the ukrainian army, you know, the problem of commanders, is that such a question, or? we now have teams, they are the same age as me, battalion commanders who directly make decisions on the battlefield, there are older ones, there are younger ones, this is about combatants right now, on the battlefield, decisions must be made very quickly, as you rightly say, they could be wrong, so that the intensity of hostilities is very high , the enemy is using a large number of its reconnaissance means, the army...

weapons and equipment and a large amount of ammunition and a large number of personnel conducting assault operations, the battalion commander with the company commander who is working, they accept decisions at their own level, that is, the battalion commander is given fire equipment, which is included there in the battalion tactical group or simply in the line battalion, and they make decisions there when to introduce reserves, what means to use, business missions at their level use their fire means, their reserves. that is, it happens because, for example, we take battalion commanders there from our military unit, border offensive guard brigades, then they all passed the rank, if not the platoon commander, then maybe they were even sergeants, the company commanders were sergeants, they performed tasks , they were shooters, grenade launchers, machine gunners, and more promising, they then the career ladder allows them, and they are the commander of myrot teams, go to

battalion management, they... understand how these processes take place from below, these teams understand how scary it is to be in a trench when the enemy storms you, but you have to take action, you have to fight back, because if you, you know, there is such a situation, it is very simple: you are standing in a position, and it is scary for you to watch, but you do not see that landing, you see the enemy, you just squat down, and you are more, you know, calmer on a subconscious level, but when you understand , that if you do not do this, they will come and kill you or. must be captured, or they beat your brothers, and you do it, you are afraid, you do it, and you understand, you see the enemy, you enter into a shooting battle with him, you destroy him, and you know it, shooting battle now sounds a lot, even in it's a thrill, for me personally, for the personnel, because in order to conduct a shooting battle, you have to survive a lot of artillery fire, a lot of fpv raids and drones with a skid, that is, it is very difficult, and these battalion teams, these company teams, they were at the beginning.

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