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volodymyr zelenskyi and the republican party has significantly escalated. zelensky should have written a personal letter to donald trump. he forced volodymyr zelensky to undergo a certain public humiliation, begging him for a meeting many times. trump tavar, that is, in the territory of donald trump. trump now acts as a private person, and he has a very good relationship with putin, as he said. if donald trump wins, america first. hardly anyone...else in america could pronounce those words after two years of russia's war against ukraine. you are watching the weekly video podcast of radio svoboda state situation. today we are talking about what donald trump means by a fair deal for ukraine? and why ukraine was not mentioned at all at the vice-presidential debate in the usa. well, the navigator is the ear.

the situation will be professor of political science at baylar university in texas serhii kudelya. sergey, congratulations. hello, rostislav. greetings. so what do we have? we have the fact that volodymyr zelenskyi's visit to the united states became politically balanced, precisely because a last-minute meeting with republican nominee donald trump. by the way, trump said after the meeting that he and zelensky are both. they want a fair deal, and trump repeated twice, talking about russia's war against ukraine, that this deal be fair for ukraine and added that it will happen at the right time, and zelensky said, by the way, that it is important to understand that this is putin came to ukraine, that it is russia, russian troops are in ukraine, in ukraine, and that this is important to understand, is it really, serhiy, we we have, so to speak... a transformation, a certain

progress with trump in terms of a better understanding of the nature of the russian war against ukraine, who is the aggressor, who is the occupied, the occupied. well , maybe he understands it better this way, but still the context of this phrase is important, he said about a fair deal after he already emphasized that both volodymyr zelenskyi and vladimir putin seek peace, that is, he believes that in fact both sides want to stop the war, and when he talked about a fair deal, it was clearly clear that it is about taking into account the interests of not only... ukraine when signing this agreement, but also the interests of the russian federation. then we remember, we remember, he also mentioned tango, that tango should be danced on two sides. that is, he emphasizes that in order to come to an agreement, putin's interests must be taken into account,

the interests of the kremlin must be taken into account, and with putin, as he said, by the way, he has very good relations, good relations, hardly anyone else in america, some other western leader might utter these... words after two years of russia's war against ukraine. ugh. when trump talks about the right time, what is meant, what time is right for him, is it the time of his victory in the elections in the united states of america, is it some time of possible successes of ukraine on the battlefield, is it the time of the weakening of russia, the moment of some weakening , what is the right time for donald trump? well, trump now. acting in the role of a private person, he has no right even under american law to engage in any foreign policy initiatives, to speak in the role of some kind of mediator, so it is obvious that he must first win the elections and form his

administration, determine who will be the key persons responsible for foreign policy. we don't really have a clear picture of who might be donald trump's national security adviser, who might be state. secretary, when all these issues are resolved, it seems to me that only then does trump understand that some further steps can be taken to resolve and solve this war. still, it is important that the meeting between zelenskyi and trump was held in new york, but here, so to speak, there were certain compromises from the ukrainian side. first of all, zelensky had to write a personal letter to donald trump, signed by volodymyr, and trump, by the way, published it later on the social network, made it public, though. there was a private letter, then, at the time of the meeting, zelensky had to extend his stay overseas for one day. next, the meeting place is new york. zelensky was already in new york at the un general assembly, went to washington, then to meet with trump was returning again to new york. and even in

new york itself, we can see the trump tower meeting place, that is, on the territory of donald trump. but still, having made these compromises, leaving, so to speak. for this meeting with trump, it was important, the meeting itself was important for conveying to trump the ukrainian position on the war, right? of course, and by this behavior, trump wanted to clearly demonstrate that this meeting is more important for volodymyr zelenskyi than for him, he forced volodymyr zelenskyi to undergo a certain public humiliation, begging him about the meeting many times, publicly sending such letters, he also emphasized that he is ready to act quite harshly towards ukraine, even on the eve of this meeting, because we heard accusations from the republicans, towards volodymyr zelenskyi, towards of ukraine in the fact that they are interfering in the pre-election process in the united states, so the level of conflict,

the level of a certain confrontation between volodymyr zelenskyi and the republican party has significantly escalated in just a few days of his visit, so this meeting, it helped in a certain way... to iron out these differences, to demonstrate a certain readiness of trump for dialogue with the ukrainian side, but at the same time , it hardly helped us to better understand what plans or ideas donald trump has regarding ukraine. so the meeting was important to convey to trump the position of ukraine, but we still don't know what we mean, what he means when he talks about his peace plan, right? absolutely, and we have. we see many different voices around donald trump that sometimes don't connect as one with one, donald trump himself, as he said, refuses to talk about the details of his plan for ukraine yet. in an interview with the bbc, by the way, after the vice presidential debate in new york, donald trump's son, donald

trump jr., who plays such a key, one of the key roles in donald trump's campaign team, said that what we do in ukraine? we have already spent 250 billion dollars, or donald trump jr., donald trump jr., he represents this and that model of isolationist america. america is isolated, or is it just a pro-russian wing, or this or both? yes, donald trump jr., we can see a significant increase in his political influence in the last few years, he now acts as a representative of his father at many rallies in the united states, actively conducts a political campaign, but he can hardly be called pro-russian or isolationist , he rather represents the idea of ​​such national selfishness, and because when he... talks about $250 billion, he also talks about the fact that prices in the united states have gone up, people don't

enough money to provide some basic needs, that is, it is a combination of such populism, economic populism and national egoism, saying that the united states should spend money on itself, on its citizens, and not on countries that are very far from america. ugh, jens stoltenberg, who just left the post of nato secretary general, and... he was in it, let me remind you, for the longest time, more than a decade, 10 years, before leaving he gave an interview to the american publication politico and said that the europeans do not need to be afraid of trump, you have to him to work, and cited as an example that donald trump, when he was president, he, for example, gave javelins, anti-tank systems, anti-tank missiles to ukraine, is there really among america's allies, especially in europe... there is a certain fear of trump, and how explain it? there is some misunderstanding of how

the relationship between key nato countries and the united states will proceed, this misunderstanding or apprehension in the case of a donald trump presidency, and this apprehension was also demonstrated by the decision to appoint a new secretary general, mark rutte, who is known for his rather good warm relations according to donald trump, they represent very similar ideologies. ideological and political parties, he is also center-right, and he has experience working with donald trump when he was president of the united states. but it seems to me that the main concern, it is so related to the fact that the united states can withdraw from this union, although in fact donald trump has such powers, he as president can withdraw from any international agreement, how many, how many are caused by , that the normative consensus, which is the foundation of nato, normative consensus. around the values ​​of democracy and freedom, it may gradually disintegrate, as many of donald

trump's statements indicate that these values, around which western states are united, are not fundamental for him personally, are not too important, and he, in principle, is even ready to question the commitment of the united states to certain states that are members of the alliance, in the event that these states become a victim of aggression by ... third countries, for example, the russian federation, and i emphasize, it is emphasized, emphasizes because the united states should, first of all, take care of its national security, and european countries, on the contrary, should think about how to organize security for themselves, so one of the key concerns, probably concerns the fact that europe will be forced to look for or form new organizations or... to create new security instruments that would take care first of all, that would provide

certain, give certain guarantees to european states, that is, even in the matter of security, in the matter of nato, there will still be a principle if donald trump will win, america first, that is, america first of all, and nato is already there because of whom the second third is there, the truth is, i am so right, and in fact, yes, and in fact these thoughts are also widespread among american voters, because ... the last polls, for example, showed that when asked whether the united states should intervene in foreign conflicts, a significant portion of americans said that we should actually think first about how to avoid war and negotiate, rather than trying to resolve any external conflicts with the help of military intervention, and such is the certain skepticism of donald trump about nato, about the commitment of america, to this coalition alliance, to allies, what is it for ukraine, that is, if america nato is not number

one for ukraine in terms of alliances , in terms of alliances, what is it for ukraine, where, to which alliance will it aspire then? well, this obviously puts the prospect of ukraine's nato membership on the back burner, since if trump is questioning his commitments to current members of the alliance, it is unlikely will he be ready to open the doors of the alliance for new countries, especially countries that... are currently at war with other states, that is, it is obvious that for ukraine , ukraine will be forced to look for some new goals, to set new strategic tasks for itself, which ... which would go further and help her establish the possibility on a bilateral basis to seek some agreements on security issues or to knock on the door of the alliance. the vice presidential debate, we had tim walls, the governor of minnesota, and jd vance, the senator from zogaio, that

the democratic candidate for the vice presidency and the republican candidate for the vice presidency. the presidency about ukraine and about russia's war against ukraine was not mentioned at all during the vice-presidential debate, why ukraine, even the name ukraine itself, was not mentioned during the hour and a half of these debates? well, first of all the format of this debate, it was quite limited, an hour and a half, it was the only debate between the vice presidents, and we also see that the escalation, the escalation in the middle east... the beginning of the military operation in lebanon, possible, a possible war between iran and israel, all this brings the middle east conflict to the fore, there is a large jewish community in america, and israel is one of the key allies of the united states, to which the united states has certain obligations, so obviously this issue number one, and

other foreign policy issues were also discussed, for example, for example, for many americans, immigration is a foreign policy issue, climate change is a foreign policy issue, and these issues were discussed in considerable detail under debate time, but maybe ukrainians should be happy that ukraine wasn't actually mentioned, because, being jd vance, he is known for his critical statements about ukraine, and if the topic of ukraine was discussed during the debate, it is likely that he would... like donald trump jr., later after the debate, would insist that military support to ukraine should be stopped and would criticize the ukrainian position, so it's quite possible that for ukraine, i think it's just a good thing that it was not mentioned during this debate, that was not mentioned during the debate, but still, foreign policy aspects

echoed not only the middle east. tim waltz, a democrat, criticized the swing for his words. donald trump, which is causing confusion among us allies. when the allies see that donald trump is turning to vladimir putin, to north korea, they see such vacillations regarding the joint coalition, he says. and republican j.d. vance, donald trump's vice-presidential candidate, says on the contrary that wars did not start under trump and that the world was stable. donald trump during his presidency actually... provided stability in the world by doing so by establishing effective deterrence. which vision of america's foreign policy, so to speak, power is more in line with the expectations of the american public, the average american, whose vision did he like better, walsh or vance? well, in fact,

as in many issues, american society is divided in half here, and in foreign affairs. politicians, there are very significant philosophical differences in how us citizens look at us relations with other states, that is, in the democratic camp he represents the so-called so-called tradition of woodrow wilson, the president who considered it necessary for the united states to participate in wars on the side of the democracies, who promoted the ideas of democracy in the world, and precisely from these views, from these positions. many democrats and leaders are speaking out, democratic leaders believe that the united states should maintain this participation, this presence in the world. republicans, on the contrary , believe that the key is the protection of the us coast itself, and that the interests of the united states should not actively spread beyond the us territory. that is, the emphasis is on strengthening one's own

security and on avoiding any open confrontations with other states, it is very difficult to somehow reconcile these differences, so it is quite likely that volze's speech, his foreign policy statements and jaydy vance's statements convinced their own voters, voters republican party, democratic, but here it is also important to note that it is unlikely to be a key issue of the election, since more important issues such as the economy, immigration, they are still at the top of the main priorities of american voters now, tim waltz, he was such, he was called, such a folkloric character, he is such, well, from the common people, he is liked by the average american, so to speak, but... jaydee vance, he is a good speaker, he showed himself well as a speaker and proved that he is good at speaking. still, what do the polls say, who won this debate,

was it a tie, or is anyone as victorious as the polls say? well, actually, each of these two candidates, he demonstrated some very positive qualities, for jady vance was it's important to show that he's a moderate, because he's been painted as a radical, that he's... actually willing to compromise or agree on a lot even with his democratic opponent, which surprised many observers because agreement was quite common in both trump's and walt's responses . walt on the other hand has shown himself to the wider public, he is not known nationally and he has shown that he can speak quite competently, confidently on many issues, represent the position of kamela harris and... especially in issues, for example, the discussion of democracy, when he asked a direct question to jaydy vance that he recognizes the victory of joe biden in the last election, and he refused to answer, precisely about such issues, these episodes

are actively discussed now in the american media, and they basically demonstrate , that for both republicans and democrats, both candidates in principle spoke convincingly enough, and it is hardly possible to talk about the victory of one candidate or the other. of course, about jady vance, they say that he, it there was even such a political investment in his own future, in four years we can see a presidential candidate, even, he is now a vice presidential candidate, the oldest candidate for the presidency, donald trump, is already 78 years old, that is, how, how in this regard , were americans eyeing jaydy vance as an independent political figure in the future? yes, and when javens was chosen as the vice presidential running mate, many said that the decision to choose jady vance as

donald trump's running mate was precisely because of with the fact that trump is looking for a successor. jadi vance is ideologically very similar to the position of donald trump, he speaks from the position of the maga movement itself, that is, to make it big, and for ... the trump family, he was considered one quite acceptable, optimal candidate who could eventually become or become a candidate for the president of the united states , so definitely, jady vance is considered much more, perhaps, given his age, 40 years, further prospects and strategic plans for the presidency than waltz. you have already mentioned what is still on in the vice presidential... debates, the main points were not foreign policy, but what you said, immigration, and the economy, the same abortions, even climate change, these issues, so to speak, are very

urgent, glaring for the domestic american audience, in this regard, if we talk about migration, for example, we noticed that kamala garis visited the us-mexico border the other day, she is not often there, why did she do this, and was it somehow noticed ... in the american media and in general the trip of garis to the border with mexico yes indeed, that is, kamela harris wants to demonstrate that for her the topic of immigration is also important. this is unlikely to convince republicans, who say that in four years the biden administration has done nothing to stop illegal immigration. but in fact, in the topic of immigration , there is still more emotion here, there is more, sometimes falsification and misinformation, because, for example, even during the debate we heard different figures, one of the figures was more than

20 million illegal immigrants, which is not true, because in the combined states, according to various estimates, no more than 10-12 million illegal immigrants, this is a large number for sure, but it is not the number that the republicans talk about and try to intimidate a significant number in this way. a large part of american society, yes, yes, i noticed that jaydy vance gave a figure of 20-25 million, which shocked me, that's a scary number, huge really, on another topic, everything is important now, everything is very politicized, even this stormy helena, which struck florida and then went into the territory of two changing states, north carolina and georgia, we have seen that the issue of borivius is also used in the election campaign, how? borovi issue is used in how government institutions respond to

an emergency, but... we saw this attempt to discuss this issue in the debate yesterday itself, but it's not really that politicized, so for both republicans and democrats, of course, that the key is the question of people's lives, and so far we have seen that the american public services respond quite effectively to the destruction caused by wildfire, therefore, it is unlikely that this issue will continue to be very actively discussed in debates, the american read. political publications, the politics that i have already quoted, that the ratings of kamala harris and donald trump in these seven swing states, where this fierce struggle is going on now, which can decide the fate of the american presidency, by the way, they say that they can even decide a few dozen thousands of voters' votes, that the ratings have roughly leveled out, what is the situation with the ratings now , this week, this... this week

in principle, the situation remains the same as in the previous one, that is, we see that donald trump is still ahead in the southern states in the southern states, perhaps in north carolina there have been certain moves towards kamala harris, due to the fact that there was a scandal surrounding the governor of this state, who is republican and supporter of donald trump. so, some believe that north carolina could end up being one of the states that could also somehow affect the outcome of the election, but the key remains. this is the state of pennsylvania, and it seems to me that the focus is on it now the attention of many american media, yesterday, for example, several american channels had focus groups with voters from pennsylvania, and before and after the election they discussed how the voters of this particular state, pennsylvania, react to the statements of the two vice presidential candidates, and i personally was surprised , that many of those focus group participants are still

undecided, meaning they were talking about... we don't know who to vote for either before the debate or after the debate, so it's a process that still takes some time, and it's really shows how divided it is american society, and the undecideds, they actually understand that both issues like democracy, or abortion, and immigration issues are important to them, so we're seeing, we can see that decisions are going to be made, a few days, the last week campaign and it is the state of pennsylvania, this swing state in the north-east of america that gives 19 electoral votes, it is the most of those seven swing states, 19 electoral votes, that is why it is so important, in total, let me remind you, you need to get 270 electoral votes, right? yes, that's right, and, in principle, those electoral votes are now split pretty

evenly, so there's only one change. or otherwise can have a radically different effect on the elections on the results of the elections in the usa, and volodymyr zelensky went to pennsylvania at the beginning of his tour to the united states of america, and to scranton, which, by the way , is the hometown of joe biden. you watched radio liberty's weekly video podcast state situation, a political science professor helped us understand the state situation, the american pre-election situation. serhii kudelya of baylar university in texas. rostislav khotyn was with you. it's all good. hundreds of thousands of square meters of damaged property. apartments, houses that need to be rebuilt. about the situation with recovery in different regions of ukraine. about the rights, opportunities and personal experience of people. this is what olga's house looked like last year, and this is what it looks like now. i am not spending

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