then give these funds, now the main thing is victory, and all efforts should be thrown at this, and this is my point of view, but i am certainly not about taking the funds, you need to think over the mechanisms and speak, communicate them with the defenders and society . against this background, mr. colonel, the national security and defense council has determined the main parameters of the defense budget for 2025, and it is about the fact that defense... will be spent at least 26.3% of gdp, and in money terms it is more than 2 uah for comparison, to the beginning of a full-scale war, the nsdc demanded that no less than 5% of the planned gdp be allocated for defense, i.e. five times more. zelenskyi says that ukraine is starting to increase the production of its own weapons in the first half of this year. in ukraine

, they produced 25 times more ammunition for artillery and mortars than in the entire 22nd year, the production of other types of weapons is increasing, let's listen to what zelensky said: and the total number of drones that we are now able to produce in ukraine annually is 4 million, and already more than 1.5 million, contracted, we are already using a completely new class of ukrainian weapons, a long-range missile. drone, meadow, other types of our long-range drones are working, naval drones are working for the defense of ukraine, our new ballistic missile has successfully passed flight tests, everyone can see how our neptunes work. mr. colonel, let me ask you as a person who not only passes laws and writes laws, but also uses them. weapons, are there many ukrainian

weapons at the front now? well, let's start with the budget, about the fact that we really have about 2 trillion now allocated to the defense forces, in general for the armed forces it is 500 billion, there is a little more, but even when we adopted the budget a few days ago, all the defense forces declared that it is theirs, if we talk about the maintenance of the personnel, i have already said about maintenance . it is for nine months, but now, if we were told last year that they thought that the war would end inside there, that is why they did not add, now it is for 9 months and further due to the defense there will be no money for wages, and now there is a budget deficit of about 400 billion, and that's it so now we are planning, we are 23%, we still have a deficit, because the armed forces are planning to expand, and other defense forces are recruiting, mobilization is underway. it is necessary to maintain and this

of course requires large investments regarding weapons eh well of course there is a missile program the one for which the president says and when he talks about successful - the exams of course i would like to be more successful it was more than there was, but for me, well, here... here you can contribute in different ways, there it is composed and it is produced, yes, you can buy some different components somewhere and assemble them in ukraine, say, we produce weapons, or you can produce explosives, gunpowder there from the very beginning, and this is a different production, and here looking at what kind of production we are talking about, for me, production of weapons is a complete cycle, when we, i don't know, produced nitric acid there ourselves, when we made it into tnt there or hexane there or something else, then we phlegmatized this hexane there. for pouring in

shells, they themselves made chains of fire there, which there will be explosives, for me this is of course a story about a full cycle, and we are doing something, we are putting something together, but we need to go to the point that more, well, of course it is more than it used to be, and we need to build up, of course, on the battlefield we have weapons, but of course there are not enough weapons at all, not from the ones that our partners give, not from the ones that we produce, so... we need to do more and pay attention to this, namely to the full cycles of weapons production, and not to its composition. thank you, colonel, for the conversation, it was roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, colonel security services of ukraine. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you about this. should zelensky... his victory plan,

which he presented last week in the united states of america. so it's pretty simple on youtube, yes, no, if you have a different opinion, please leave it in the comments under. this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers, if yes, 0800 211 381, no, 080 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we'll match here are the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with oleksandr kovalenko, a military-political observer of the information resistance group. mr. oleksandr, i welcome you, thank you for joining us today. to the air, good evening, really good evening and good news from the voronitsa region of russia arrived today, the defense forces struck by drones at the borys glebsk airfield in the voronezh region, there

were guided air bombs, su-35 and su-34 aircraft, as well as storage areas. of aviation fuel, do you know about the consequences of this attack, what we got as a result of it, well, and most importantly, how the russians react to it, because literally a week ago, putin said that when changing the concept of nuclear deterrence, they made a point about , that if drones fly into their territory from a foreign country, they will use nuclear weapons weapons including, well, regarding the direct attack on this given object, there is not much information now, it is known that there was a fire, and at the same time this fire was verified in several locations, i think that the first satellite images will appear in the near future

pictures directly of the airfield itself, because always after such strikes... fication takes place with the help of a satellite, to keep something secret, there is no such possibility now in russia, not to allow satellites to film this or that moment, but in relation to the general threat on the part of putin, a war criminal, everything is quite simple here, he is now using this element of nuclear blackmail, as before , to intimidate both ukrainians and our partners. that is, this is a classic, and this is the only toolkit they have now to threaten the world, they can no longer threaten the world with their army, which is somehow invincible, invincible and all the rest, they cannot threaten without having

the weapons that we have in the world we see how it is being destroyed in ukraine, and geopolitically, they are also now do not have the reputation and influence they had before a full-scale invasion. to ukraine, and economic factors also affect, so there is only one element of threats and blackmail left, which is nuclear weapons, but again, this is exclusively an informational and psychological context in this, in this very, let's say, new nuclear doctrine that they now are considering something more fundamental, then really presenting a real threat in this, i don't see and i don't think that in reality there will be... at least one of these new points will be applied. against this background, the russians are continuing their offensive in donbas, and it has already been officially announced that the armed forces of ukraine are withdrawing from ugledar. the evacuation of wounded soldiers from ughledar was difficult, but

the withdrawal from the city made it possible to minimize losses. arseniy, the press officer of the 72nd separate mechanized brigade of the black zaporizhzhya armed forces, announced this on radio svoboda. prilipka, let's listen to what he said, of course, this, this is a war, there can't be without losses, but due to the fact that we moved to another border, occupied it, we minimized them as much as possible, because then the city must be held it would already be... critical for our units, difficult, and we would suffer more casualties. mr. oleksandr, how will the withdrawal of the armed forces of ukraine from ugledar affect the front and the russians' possibilities of further deployment

of hostilities in the direction of pokrovsk, well, with the prospect of the zaporizhia direction. first of all, he will have more influence. in the kurakhovsky direction, and why it is already felt, because ugledar has been the epicenter of the use of cabs by the russians for the past two weeks. and by the way, this is exactly one of the reasons why it was impossible to keep the uglydar in defense, why it was impossible to keep it under the control of the defense forces of ukraine, because the city was simply being destroyed by coordinated aerial bombs non-stop, it was the epicenter of the use of kabs compared to the entire battle line, and this happened for more than two weeks, precisely from the moment when the russians approached from the eastern direction along route 05-32. approached the coal mine itself, this was the very catalysis of the kabama strikes, and therefore

the release of this resource of corrected air bombs and their reorientation to kurakhov. now the strikes on kurakhove are beginning to be catalyzed with the use of corrected aerial bombs, in the future the russians... the main units of their forces will go after the coal mine to attack the epiphany and novoukrayinka, well, novoukrainka is from the direction of the purge, from the direction of the coal mine, it will already be on the epiphany, it is along these lines that they will try to break through, in principle, if you combine the kurakhovsky direction with the pokrovsky, and call them pokrovsky-kurakhovs. then reorientation kabama strikes and will have an impact in the future on

kurakhovo will also have an impact on the formation of the southern flank in the pokrovsky direction, and therefore in principle it can be connected with each other, although the occupation of the ugledar is not a reason for panic in the matter of the collapse of the front, because the main lines of defense and border, they are located to the north of the coal mine, these are the ones between those villages. about which i am talking about nova ukrainka and bogoyavlenka, that is the line of defense, but there is another minus from the capture of the coal farmer, the main minus lies in the fact that it provided the possibility of full fire control by artillery of the section of the railway from donetsk to volnovakha, that is, the railway through volnovakha can resume its work in the near future, logistics, railway logistics can... start working for the russian occupiers precisely through volnovakha to the south in zaporizhzhia region in the first

place, and this is a negative factor from the occupation of the coal mine, although we reserve the possibility of fire impact on this area using, for example, m142 haimars or long-range missiles of the atakam type stormshed and skalypg. mr. oleksandr, another direction that appeared in the armed forces of ukraine on august 6, 2020. on the 24th of the year, the kurdish direction, the ukrainian army has been on the territory of the russian federation for two months, literally half a month ago , information appeared in the russian propaganda media that , that putin allegedly demanded from his troops to liberate kurshchyna by october 1, this, as we can see, did not happen, but what can you say about the prospects of the ukrainian army staying in kurshchyna, and most importantly, perhaps... the question of the units of the armed forces of ukraine in other regions

of the russian federation neighboring ukraine? i will start answering the last question, if you do not mind, then it is quite likely. we can now talk about the fact that russia is not capable of defending itself, and when it faces such threats, it panics. is beginning to reflect on this and we can see in kursk region that before the beginning of the ukur operation by the defense forces of ukraine, there was a group of approximately 10,000, now it is almost 40,000, this is what was increased during this period, and they continue increase this group, and by the end of october it will be increased to 50 thousand. that is , the diversion of resources, they

are trying to solve the problem quantitatively, not with tactics, not with the strategy of conducting hostilities, but with the quantity, and we see that it is the second month, and the problem has not been solved, but the average static indicator and the maintenance of the control zone, it was and is remains within 1,100-1,300 km, regardless of any counteroffensive of theirs there, all the same, the defense forces of ukraine, while the russians there are trying... somewhere to counteroffensive and some areas are returned under their control, the defense forces of ukraine begin to deploy offensive actions in new areas and expand their control zone, and therefore i do not rule it out at all. precisely the fact that we have the opportunity to open one more front, one more location, and it can be some really unexpected or quite predictable area, but in which the russians will not be ready to resist, will lose a large number of square kilometers of this territory, and then

panic and in an emergency mode they will try to somehow correct this situation with... precisely by continuing to withdraw there quantitatively superior forces, which will be quantitatively superior to the defense forces of ukraine. mr. oleksandr, i have another question about the actual weapons and long-range weapons that ukrainian defenders use and can use in the territory of the russian federation. as for other weapons that were given to us by foreigners and our western partners, we use them in kurdistan, according to the forces, the armed forces of ukraine use their most modern tanks in kurdish operations, these are swedish e-e tanks and german leopard 2 a6, and this

emphasizes the importance for ukraine of capturing this territory, despite the risk of losing valuable equipment, as forbes writes. the article claims that the russians knocked out at least one of about 20 tanks, but a four-way meeting of the leaders of germany, france, great britain and the united states is scheduled for october 12 in germany, and there they will obviously consider the issue with which zelensky came with a fair to the united states of america , regarding the permission to obtain permission for long-range western strikes on the territory of the russian federation weapons do you think that this quadrilateral meeting can move this issue and fundamentally decide that the ukrainians can use these weapons in strikes on the territory of russia? this is very difficult diplomatic work because it is a political issue for the us itself. this is their internal political

issue. which is primarily related to the elections that will take place. that is, what they should... will do to allow joseph biden, who is retiring, to make such a gesture, and to give permission to ukraine, in effect doing such a before he leaves office, he, well, it's kind of a swan song, and he goes quietly, or... to give the opportunity to the next president of the united states, whether it's kamala harris or donald trump, to take the first step, to make the first such foreign policy decision , which would have the least opposition and the least criticism from both sides, both the democratic and the republican parties, and both democrats and republicans are interested in this,

so everything will depend on what is most important now for... the domestic political perspective of americans , fulfill obligations to take such a step with regard to the us president who is retiring, or in fact, in fact, to give this opportunity to the next president, new or old new, it will depend on this, mr. alexander, while we were talking, they appeared. the first satellite images from borys glebsk, but they are not detailed, as i understand it, these images, and now we will show, the traces of fires are visible in the satellite image, as experts who have already commented on these satellite images write, more detailed images are needed in order to

to assess the consequences of the blow, but you can see there, that there were some fires, the only question is... what was affected as a result and in what way, well, but i already think it will become known literally tomorrow or the day after tomorrow for sure. one more topic, this is a continuation, or rather, it is the same topic regarding long-range weapons, the former director of the cia, mike pompeo, at a security conference in london, spoke against the restrictions that the united states of america and other allies imposed on... ukraine long-range western weapons, let's listen , what mike pompeo said. the policy of imposed restrictions has become harmful the inability to hit military targets on the other side of the conditional strip seems to me to be militarily unwise and strategically stupid, it would not create any

additional risks. well, mike pompeo was still, let me remind you, the secretary of state of the united states of america, but here is this indecision in adopting this main issue for ukraine, in order to continue. to destroy the russian federation, what does it threaten, but the postponement of this issue? for example, the loss of a coal miner, it is quite fair, it is related to this, because we are talking about coal mine strikes by kabs, modified aerial bombs, the su-34 is the main carrier of these bombs, and striking with long-range western weapons at... an airfield on the territory of the russian federation has reduced the presence of su-34x and the use of kabs, but it is not only on the su 34- hm, the offensive on ugledar itself began, well, formally it can

be considered on january 24th, when they started moving in the direction of novomykhaivka and from sweetkoy in the direction of the 0532 logistics artery, the route from which they entered, the first wave entered bugleda , they advanced for nine months on the fields along the beams, along the plantations, where our lines of defense and boundaries were located, but first of all they had the opportunity to advance, because their advance was supported by regular strikes, corrected aerial bombs, tactical aviation, in principle, even tactical aviation at the level of su-25 attack aircraft , attack helicopters k-52, mi-28n, and all of this is located at air bases in a three-kilometer zone from the border with ukraine, because of which they... had the opportunity to approach, the time of approach, the ability to approach radio operations in this area, so it really is just as in 23, due to

the battles between the democrats and republicans in the congress, we did not receive the necessary help from the 23rd to the beginning of the 24th, almost six months, and avdiivka was lost during this period, due to shelling famine, as well as due to... the dominance of russian tactical aviation, we continue to lose territories and cannot hold defense lines and boundaries, because they are destroyed, opened, hacked by russian aviation, so yes, this is true. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was a military man expert oleksandr kovalenko. friends, i would like to remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these... platforms, please subscribe to our pages, and also take part in our poll, today we ask you this, should zelensky publicize his victory plan?

yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please write it in the comments, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers, yes 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free. vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next , we will be in touch with viktor boberenko, a political expert, expert of the bureau of policy analysis from the city of sumy. mr. viktor, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good health. as we ask our viewers and tv viewers whether zelensky should release his victory plan, which he presented last week in the united states of america. do you have, should the president now take and show this plan, at least in part, or present this plan to the ukrainians themselves, who are currently fighting the russian

invaders? of course, it should be done, not only that, it should have been done long before he left for the united states, because otherwise, well, it raises questions, but they... in the spring of 22, they said that, well, we don't could have told the ukrainians the truth, we knew that russia would attack, but zelensky called for kebabs and said that everything is calm in baghdad, and then the office of the president and aristovych, at that time he worked for them, he said, well, listen, it 's not possible - we couldn't say it there, because panic will start, okay, now what are you still waiting for panic, are you? you consider us to be children, you consider ukrainian society not mature, but you are mature, that's why there is a very cool

thing, but now... i am also a public organization, we apply for donors, give us such and such grants, yes , donors announce, then there is such a specificity, a master class should be held for the office the president, when the donor, for example, says: we don't need to submit a big application of 20 pages, submit a concept of two pages, it is together with the budget, with everything, that's how much money you are asking for there in... we will not say there until the plan has many annexes that we want annex number one these types of weapons, annex number two these types of weapons hush, we want hush, hush, hush, here is our plan, here is a lot of everything,

but... i had to say that we do the first, second, third, and this is conceptual, and not everyone needs to know the rest, so i would have it i would have known, for example, that yes, zelensky, as i think, that, for example, a victory is needed for ukraine there, this is an exit to the borders of 1991, and he wants the support of the western allies for this, for this, and he says, this is our condition, or there is something else, what will we leave, where will we leave, yes there, or

we will ask for more weapons there, or... for example, we urgently want us to join nato, those territories that we control, and those like the federal republic of germany, the gdr, we will take them there one day, we will settle them politically, but we will also say what is most important there, zelenskyy could say, i won because ukraine preserved its independence, but we did not give in, well, that's how it is, that is, they have to tell us the basics. otherwise, that is, i will tell all the people, they think you are fools, they think you are idiots, they think you are children, an immature society, and they do not want to talk to you, why biden has the right to get our, well, peace march plan, and i don't, i understand ukrainian realities less than biden

and the same thousands of millions of ukrainians. like me, why are we an inferior race, and zelensky needs it to reproach volodymyr oleksandrovych, why don't you love ukrainians, they called us for barbecues, and so on, why do you fool us all the time and consider us fools. so, here at the state department of the united states of america, mr. victor, matthew miller, a spokesman for the state department, said that the united states of america has seen a lot of products. steps in the plan of victory presented by president zelenskyi. let's hear what matthew miller had to say. the victory plan presented by ukraine is not only about what ukraine itself should do. they talk about what they have make other countries of the world. ukraine has not yet detailed this victory plan publicly, so i will not do so either, but we accepted this plan, we reviewed it and saw

a number of things in it. i completely agree with you that the ukrainians, who are currently fighting against the russians, have the right to know the victory plan of the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine, especially since a people's war has been going on in ukraine since february 24, 22, because the same amounts, where you live , they rose up about... the occupiers, and the people rose up, didn't they rise up there there was no one from the special services or anything else, and your remarks about the fact that ukrainians have the right to know about this victory plan are absolutely correct, and could this be a part of this victory plan, let's say