in some places it is raining, the air temperature is about 21° c, well, with rain, of course, this air temperature can be lower somewhere around 17-18°c, but on sunday it will still remain there in the morning somewhere like that in some areas - such areas with rain, but the air temperature on sunday it will be higher in the capital, somewhere around 21-22°. this is the nearest synoptic perspective in ukraine. let this weekend be tasty, healthy and most importantly - safe. good evening, we are from ukraine. events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, the news story reports about them. however, it was not enough to know what was happening. it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskyi and... experts soberly evaluate

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cannot close the sky over ukraine, as well as over israel, how to overcome the lack of decisions on joint work and joint defense? steps to historic decisions. the plan to win ukraine remains zelenskyi's main bet in the further war with russia. why allies, meanwhile, emphasize the need to overcome old habits regarding corruption. elections to strengthen power, an article in the economist newspaper raised a wave of discussion about the probability of a presidential election campaign next year, whether zelenskyi's team is really preparing for the race. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish you all the best. for the next two hours

, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. in the first part of our program, we will have a former guest prosecutor general of ukraine yurii lutsenko, and in the second part of our program, which will start in exactly one hour, there will be a traditional journalistic club of yanina sokolova and larisa voloshina. however, before starting our big conversation today, i suggest watching a video of the consequences of a powerful fire. at two oil depots in russia, in the voronezh region and the perm region, the sbu unofficially confirmed a drone strike on the ananefteprodukt base in voronyshchyna, locals heard five powerful explosions, after which a fire broke out at the oil storage facility. let's see, this fairy tale video.

glory to the defense forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live there. please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you about this. do you support the idea of ​​economic harrowing against mobilization? yes, no. everything is quite simple on youtube,

you can write your own version of the answer in the comments under this video, and if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers, yes 0800 2113. no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. so, our guest today is yurii lutsenko, captain of the armed forces of ukraine, ukrainian politician and statesman, former prosecutor general of ukraine and former minister of internal affairs of ukraine. congratulations yuriyuch. good evening. first, let's answer the questions in the bliss survey format. do you support the idea economic reservation from mobilization? i categorically do not support it, because it means war for the poor and the possibility of legal redemption from war for those who have money. from my point of view, this transforms, splits us into two

countries, which is absolutely unacceptable. but there is illegal economic reservation, and today we witnessed a similar, just like this... case, the state bureau of investigation exposed the head of the khmelnytskyi regional center for medical and social expertise, a deputy of the regional council from the servant of the people, tetiana krupa, and her son oleksandr krupa on illegal enrichment, you see, it was all found in their apartment, we are talking about cash of almost 6 million dollars, american dollars in various currencies, the law enforcement officers are investigating the case. legal registration of disability for men who are trying to avoid military service, this message, which was distributed by the sbi, refers to 30 real estate objects of this family in khmelnytskyi, lviv, kyiv, nine luxury cars, corporate rights for 48 million uah, hotels - a restaurant complex for

almost 300 km in one of the parks khmelnytskyi, real estate in austria, spain and turkey and foreign exchange. to you as the former general prosecutor, could our special services and, in particular, the security service of ukraine not have seen what the sbi found in tetyana krupa and her son? well, first of all, today's event is not the only one, today in kharkiv oblast , bribe-takers were detained with approximately the same story, and if... if we recall, we see at least half a dozen similar officials from this system of tsk, msek, vlk, who are detained for huge money, about the fact that in most cases of bribery, probably 90 percent, in recent years

only deputies from the servants of the people appear, this is already used by everyone, and therefore the first conclusion, the servants of the people can end corruption exclusively by their own suicide. this party is not able to stop the open looting of the rear behind the bleeding soldiers. second position. one could only thank the law enforcement officers for exposing, well, a special case, for igniting a problem, and a growth on the healthy body of the state mechanism. but given the number of similar ones affairs and the absolutely unconcealed accumulation of these millions at home in the bedside tables, as far as i am concerned, this means only one thing: this family gave everything from kata to the mountain and felt completely carefree, not afraid of anything,

because they are members of the ruling party, because they are among the elite families of the region , and they are obvious, i don't have proof of course, but i think that they have already given everything to the mountain, and therefore they are full. the booths are filled and they are enjoying themselves peacefully, this reveals another problem, the problem of how many of us left abroad in a similar way, and when europeans say that during the hostilities in ukraine, about 600,000 conscripted men left through our border, multiply by the amount of bribes and understand that there is still half of the military budget. and then the question is in which pockets does it all sit? and my answer is such a massive extortion, such a massive system, such a vacuum cleaner of money during the war, cannot but be coordinated from one center. if there is not enough evidence, then let's remember that all

high-ranking servants, well, deputies not of the regional, but of the verkhovna rada, to whom they reach law enforcement officers are not controlled by the office. in a strange way, they go abroad absolutely freely, and the president convenes a council, gives three weeks to stop this disgrace, and exactly on the fourth week, the next servant of the people leaves. accused of bribery, hence the conclusion, in our country there is a vertical system, mega corruption, which is covered by the supporting pillars of the current power from the political power and the legislative, executive and law enforcement, this is a very difficult conclusion, i would not have said so harshly if it had not happened on against the background of tragic events in... in fact, this family simply

shows everything that is happening as in a drop of dirty water, we actually have two ukraines, one is bleeding, and with the words glory of ukraine looks into the eyes of the murderers, and the other is under a sign that says the state body of ukraine, collects bribes, one collects money for trenches reb. the second one throws billions at laying companies abroad and does not bring the projectiles from there for the paid projectiles, one, well, you can continue this series, unfortunately, we have this trouble, which, in fact, you asked me about economic reservation, this is again one ukraine will pay off, and the other will shed blood so that those who paid off can sit quietly in restaurants, from my point of view this is absolutely unacceptable. these events in ugledava, well, in donbas in general, and the events in tila,

require extraordinary actions by the executive and legislative powers, require a frank conversation between the president and the ukrainian people, he no longer needs fables from the marathon for a long time, he needs an honest conversation about , what is happening and how to change this situation, because this is not the way to victory, what also happened today, which... happens in general in the tsc, and we have already seen these cases in the boryspil tsc, the head of the boryspil tsc, buchan tsc, lviv tsc, odesa, that is, this is a whole system that exists in ukraine, who bears political responsibility for this ? when you don't know the answer, open the law, according to the law on mobilization, the president of ukraine determines the terms, terms and forms of mobilization, technically, this and that. are the former military commissars subordinate to the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine, why is still a mystery to me, well, honestly, but

if you start to read the law, how this mechanism works, then the military is at the very bottom of this mechanism, they only accept a recruit at the end, and take him for five weeks for training, everything else happens through civilians, it would have been fair a long time ago , for the president to engage in his constitutional duty, it is not a right, it is a duty to... during his 5 years , president zelenskyi was engaged in, it is his duty to engage in mobilization, in particular, in the end , to create a civilian system in the tcc, possibly not subordinated to the military, make it completely different, but we don’t have it like that, we first rename this service, well, that’s the easiest, then order to completely remove everyone, well, this is also pure populism, then... a new order to distance ourselves from this, let the military be responsible for everything , and now a new

story, now let the kombrigs themselves mobilize their incomplete team, well, that is, you can imagine, the 72nd kombrig, which was defending ugledar, which is being bypassed on the flanks, must at the same time think about where to take its fighters, that is the logic, you understand, such a allow me to say public administration, this is the logic of washing. hands without responsibility and incompetence, well, but this is evasion of the performance of one's constitutional duties, it implies the president's responsibility before the law, if this were the only problem, look, i don't want to talk about the president's responsibility now, because it is a greater responsibility than responsibility for events he is not at the front now, everything that will happen later, in the course of the activities of law enforcement agencies, will happen later, and believe me, the most terrible thing is the punishment. yourself, when you took on something that you don't want shoulder, in this case the president should

not think about future responsibilities there, interrogations, this, believe me, this is a very small problem, the whole problem is that now we are not standing on the plan of victory, if the projects that he brings overseas, what happens inside the country is not the way to victory. and it is necessary to start here with himself, not under the threat of future criminal cases, under the threat of the oath on the constitution, which he took during the inauguration, when he assumed this position. that's the biggest thing responsibility, you mentioned ugledar and the withdrawal of the armed forces of ukraine, there are already many different comments, and how the 72nd brigade left there, and how difficult it was there, and the president spoke about this in part, and those who are at the front, or who receive

information from there, they say that everything is complicated enough, as evidenced by the recent events around the ugledar, are they... continuing this chain that already happened during this great war, and this is another, another city that, well , also requires an investigation , what happened there and who did not approve the relevant ones decisions at the time when they were supposed to be adopted, look, this is not the first case of similar events at the front, it all started with severodonetsk, which was declared infamous... that, and the troops were left alone with their problems and sooner or later, bleeding they had to retreat. then there was bahmud, where i had the honor of spending my four months in the war. next, there was avdiyivka, then the ugledar came, in fact the same thing is happening in toretsk, and pokrovsk, kurakhova is waiting, because everyone talks

about pokrovsk, because it is the road to the dnipro, but kurakhova is the road to zaporizhzhia. and inset to our troops covering the zaporozhye front, pay attention, that's why ugudar actually opens the way to this same korakhov, respectively, can we draw any conclusions from this, yes, yes, vovchansk also forgot to say, yes, everything is happening according to the same scenario, why , because the president, despite all his positive qualities, as a speaker, i always emphasize this, is not capable of creating... an effective management system, i.e. multi-year plans of responsible persons, monitoring them and punishing those who either steal or are simply ineffective manager instead he replaces all this very difficult, mundane, perhaps often imperceptible, non-heroic activity, perhaps he replaces it with these

infamous fortresses, he believes that if this fortress is held. we will win the war, it will not be like that, because if the 72nd brigade, which saved kyiv in 22, was left alone against 50 thousand russian occupiers who were advancing on kyiv, look, there were only 20 men left in the infantry battalion of this brigade, it is impossible there is nothing to be done to save the coal plant if you don't have... zerv who came from mobilization, and there were 20 men in the battalion, where there should be at least 200, and even 300-400, this means that the war control center did not do its job, if they did not hear artillery salvos for a month and a half, it means

that the center management of the war did not provide them with shells, if at the same time they have a ratio of drones to the russians one to... then this means that the state did not provide them with what is necessary, if they are bypassed on the flanks, and this city is a multi-story building in the bare steppe, if their they go around on the flanks, and they go around because of the terrorist brigade, because the airborne stormtroopers went to korshchyna, it means that there is no fortification, which means that the war control center did not fulfill what it promised us after the fall of avdiivka, the conclusion is the same, as long as we continue with... filming a series of forts to climb one after the other for the third year now until we build up the system work of war, the machines of war are here, unfortunately, it will continue, what i mean by building, we have to eventually have engineer troops and build fortifications, so now the 72nd brigade

came out of the ugledar, it is retreating along the main field, i am afraid to think how hard it is and i am afraid to think about... the amount of blood, and the fractification, a billion dollars have been allocated for this year from the state budget, and to cover the fighters from the advancing enemy, with drones, they are , no, there is not, but 1.5 billion dollars were allocated for them, and if you have 20 men in your battalion, then where are these. to those who defended ughledar during these terrible 2.5 years, and to the 72nd brigade, and many other units, because they did everything they could and much more, and to those who stood on

flanks, also not provided with everything necessary, and allowed a breakthrough, also a huge respect, and this is a huge setback for the state, which conducts the war with such... not systematically, but with episodic orders about the heroism of individual units, this is not the nobility to victory. the way to victory, says zelensky, is an operation in kursk oblast, because today he was in sumy oblast and said that this operation will help ukraine end the war justly. let's listen to what zelensky said at the end of his visit to sumy oblast. it is very important to understand that... cooperation is real a strategic thing, something that adds motivation to partners, adds motivation to be with ukraine, will be more decisive, and put pressure on russia,

put pressure in the way that it can help us end the war, end the war with justice. yuriy vitaliyovych, the armed forces of ukraine have been on the territory of the kursk region for two months, how many do you think there are? is it expedient to keep these territories and will it allow to end, as zelensky says, the war fairly? i partially agree with the president, because the kurdish operation really broke a lot of stupid, far-fetched reds lines in the west, it is true, she returned faith that the armed forces of ukraine can not only stand on the defensive, but conduct unexpected, brilliant offensive operations, well, i would say so, she returned the slogan of ukraine is not dead yet. and to us, to many who are having a hard time going through the last year of retreat, and even more so in the west, but from the second, to the second 50%, i do not

agree with the president, because i believe that all the positives of this offensive have already been exhausted, and at this moment is coming, well, if it hits us with its tail, predicted in advance, and i told you about this in the studio, negatives are possible, now they are no longer possible, but obvious, if you have thousands. 600 km of the battle line, and the resource in people, and in equipment, and in ammunition, and in artillery, and in tanks, and so on, the russians have more than you, then it is not in our interests to increase the line of combat reporting even more for 320 km, today in sumy region and kursk region, i have no right to say how many, but believe me, there are a lot of brigades that were removed from donbas, ukrainian brigades. and this means that our defense in donbas has become weaker. less people, less equipment, less bc, less hymers, less, just less. that's why

they captured many russians there and returned our heroes home, honor and glory. what woke up the event - well done. the fact that the soldiers show heroism there is clear. but it seems to me that at the moment... russia is already demonstrating that it is not concerned about this, that is, the occupation of 4% of one kurdish region, not the whole of russia, but just one region, less than 1000 km now, despite the fact that in we are occupied only on the left bank of 45,00 km, they are not bothered, but our troops are stretched, it seems to me that in this situation, a decision should be made to strengthen donbass, i rely on the opinion of a military man, i deeply respect as a professional, absolutely non-party, absolutely, let's say so, objective, mr. muzhenko, the former chief of the general staff, he said that, of course, any

offensive actions against the adversaries are correct, but first of all, we have to protect our own, and all resources and all plans should be built around not surrendering our lands, and in this situation, it seems to me that the president is fascinated by the kurdish operation, trying not to notice that in donbas, everyone day we cede our territories, and ahead, i say again, pokrovsk, well, in fact , the enemy is two landings from pokrovsk, and this is a direct road to dnipropetrovsk region, pavlograd and further to the dnipro, and kurakhovo, and this is a direct road to zaporizhzhia, i think that at least it requires. of well-thought-out systemic actions in ukraine, zelenskyi says against this background that ukraine is beginning to increase the production of weapons, including he

says that he is starting to produce systems, unmanned systems, so why do you think the president is focusing right now on the third year of the great war, you didn't believe it yourself, how heroic those actions were, now it is clear that the 22nd year was a year when it was necessary to fight back, but no quick development of our own military industry was probably possible, and in the year 22... for the first time we received western aid from lethal weapons, maybe someone has forgotten, then i want to remind you that since the 14th year, western countries have forbidden us not only to give lethal weapons, but even the equipment for their production, this was specific, and that is why we also purchased equipment for missiles and artillery , and components, and from their own money, all this was done and done, but in this

case it was an attack. the 22nd year was a lesson in shock, and the 23rd, in the 23rd year, it was obviously necessary to deploy the ukrainian military-industrial complex, i am far from thinking that the ukrainian military-industrial complex could do there, well, from scratch the best missiles, the best tanks, the best planes, such things are not built so quickly, nevertheless, it was possible to arrange the release of a million drones, which we were promised, we heard that this year there will be a million drones. but when the deputy commission pushed the relevant state leaders against the wall institutions, then we learned that, well, let’s say so, if you don’t call the number like that, let those to whom it belongs call it, there is no third, you understand, that’s why at the front, all this talk about a million drones causes the same reaction that you and i have about a billion, billions, yes or a billion, yes

, and this... because the funds have been allocated, and this despite the fact that in many places people assemble these drones on their own, that is, the state could, if it wished, do, it's not, space production, it just assembly, on the other hand, ukraine has finally restored its missiles programs developed under poroshenko, and look at what is happening in our country, all our propaganda hammers into the heads of ukrainians that the bad west, greedy america, does not give permission to strike with long-range missiles, how many kilometers, at first they said 150, then they admitted that there is nowhere to hit at 150 km, because the russians have long since removed all the planes from there and are taking off, well, much deeper, 300, and here is a completely fair question from the americans, i say we apologize, but here you have neptune, he already hits 300, so you us you ask about our missiles, of which we are in short supply,

which we need for... other available and possible soldiers, because for us it is ukraine above all else, and they have israel on fire, they have trivan in danger, they have africa, they have latin america , they say, we gave you everything we could, but we will never empty our warehouses to zero, the europeans have an even funnier story, they emptied their warehouses, and the new factories did not spin up, did not fulfill their plans and will start giving shells there and equipment, only next year, they say, but you have missiles for 300 k... meters, huh recently they launched a clearing for 500 and there are even developments for more than 1000, so maybe we will give you money and you will make more of them, you have the opportunity to release 100 neptunes per year, let us help you financially , score 300, no, you have to give us , otherwise you are to blame, this is not how responsible people behave.