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on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live there, please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey, today we ask you whether you support the idea of ​​economic harrowing from mobilization, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, you can write your own version of the answer in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote by numbers, yes 08... 2011-381 no 0800 -211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. so, today's guest, yuriy lutsenko, is a captain of the armed forces of ukraine, a ukrainian politician and statesman, former prosecutor general of ukraine and former minister of internal affairs of ukraine. congratulations yuriy. good evening. first of all, let's give a survey in bliss format. answer

to the question: do you support the idea of ​​economic reservation from mobilization? categorically do not support it, because it means a war for the poor and the possibility of legal redemption from the war of those who have money, from my point of view it transforms, splits us into two countries, which is absolutely unacceptable. but there is illegal economic reservation and we have witnessed it today. therefore, the head of the khmelnytskyi regional center was exposed by the state bureau of investigation in just such a case of the medical and social examination, the deputy of the regional council from the servant of the people, tetiana krupa and her son oleksandr krupa for illegal enrichment, you see, it was all found in their apartment, we are talking about cash of almost 6 million us dollars in various currencies, the law enforcement officers dispersed. the case

of illegal registration of disability for men who are trying to avoid military service, this report, which was distributed by the sbi, refers to 30 real estate objects of this family in khmelnytskyi, lviv, kyiv, nine luxury cars, corporate rights for uah 48 million, a hotel and restaurant complex for almost 3,000 km in one of the parks of khmelnytskyi, real estate in austria, spain and turkey and more than 2 million dollars in foreign currency accounts of the family. yuriy vitalivych, to you, as the general, former prosecutor general, could our special services and, in particular, the security service of ukraine not have seen what the sbi found in tetyana krupa and her son? well, first of all, today's event is not the only one, today also in kharkiv oblast, bribe-takers were detained with approximately the same plot. and

if we recall, we see at least half a dozen similar officials from this system of tsk, msek, vlk, who are detained with huge sums of money. everyone is already used to the fact that in most cases of bribery, probably 90 percent, in recent years only deputies from the people's servants appear. and therefore , the first conclusion: servants of the people can end up with corruption only in... their own suicide, this party is not capable of stopping open looting, the rear, bleeding soldiers behind their backs. second position, you can it would be only to thank the law enforcement officers that they exposed, well, a special case, ignited some kind of problem, but an ulcer on the body, on the healthy body of the state mechanism, but given the number of similar... and the absolutely

unconcealed accumulation of these millions at home in bedside tables, as on it means only one thing to me: this family gave. everything should be thrown back to the mountain and i felt absolutely carefree, not afraid of anything, because they are members of the ruling party, because they belong to the elite families of the region, and they are obvious, of course, i do not have proof, but i think that they are already everything given to the mountain, and that is why the bedside tables are full and they are enjoying themselves peacefully, this reveals another problem, the problem of how many of us have left in such a way... abroad, and when the europeans say that during the hostilities in ukraine due to about 600,000 conscripted men left our border, we multiply by the amount of bribes and we understand that there is also a semi-military budget, and then the question is, in

which pockets does it all settle, and my answer is such a mass subjugation, such a mass system, such ... a vacuum cleaner of money during the war is not may not be coordinated from the same center. if there is not enough evidence, then let's remember that all high-ranking servants, well, deputies not of the regional, but of the verkhovna rada, who are approached by law enforcement officers not under the control of the office, strangely go abroad absolutely freely, and the president convenes a council, gives three weeks to do so , in order to stop this disgrace, and exactly on the fourth week, the next servant of the people, accused of bribes, leaves for... so, the conclusion is that in our country there is a vertical system, mega corruption, which is covered supporting pillars of the current government, from the political

and legislative, executive and law enforcement authorities. this is a very difficult conclusion. i wouldn't have said so harshly if it wasn't happening in the background. tragic events at the front. in fact , this family simply shows everything that happens in a drop of dirty water. we actually have two ukraines. one is bleeding, and with the words the glory of ukraine looks the killers in the eyes, and the other , under a sign that says the state body of ukraine, collects bribes, one collects money for... not fish, the other throws away billions on laying companies abroad and does not bring a projectile from there for the paid projectiles, one, well, we can continue this series, unfortunately, we have this trouble, which, in fact, you asked me about

economic booking, this is again only ukraine will pay off, and it is another to shed blood so that those who have redeemed themselves can sit quietly in restaurants, from my point of view this is... absolutely unacceptable, both the events in ugledava, well, in donbas in general, and the events in tyla require extraordinary actions by the executive and legislative authorities, require a frank the president's conversations with the ukrainian people, he no longer needs fables for the night from the marathon, he needs an honest conversation about what is happening and how to change this situation, because this is not the way to victory, what happened... and today, what is happening in general in tsc, we have already seen these cases in boryspil tsc, the head of boryspil buchansky tsc, lviv tsc, odesa, that is, this is a whole system that exists in ukraine, who bears political responsibility for this,

when you don't know the answer, open up law, according to the law on mobilization, the president of ukraine determines the terms, terms and forms of mobilization, technical. the tsk or the former military commissars are subordinate to the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine, why is still a mystery to me, well, honestly, but if you start reading the law, how this mechanism works, then the military is at the very bottom of this mechanism, they only accept recruits at the end, well and they take him away for five weeks for training, everything else happens through civilians, it would have been fair for a long time for the president to take care of his constitutional duty, this is not a right, this is

about a new order, stay away from this, let the military be responsible for everything, and now a new story, now the heimbrigs are mobilizing for themselves. and not a set, well, that is , you can imagine, the 72nd combrich, which was defending ughledar, which is being bypassed on the flanks, has to think at the same time where to get its fighters, this is the logic, you understand, to say such a thing with the permission of the state administration, this is the logic of washing hands , irresponsibility and incompetence, well, but is this evasion of the fulfillment of one's constitutional duties, does it imply the responsibility of the president? before the law if this was the only problem, look, i don't want to talk about

the president's responsibility now, because he has no greater responsibility than responsibility for the events at the front, everything that will happen later, in the course of the activities of law enforcement agencies, will happen later, and believe me, the worst - it's a punishment of yourself when you take on something that you can't handle, in this case the president should not think about the future, he is in charge. interrogations, this, believe me, this, this is a very small problem, the whole problem is that now we are not we stand on the plan of victory, no matter how loudly the projects that he brings overseas are called, what is happening inside the country is not the way to victory, and we must start here with ourselves, not under the threat of future criminal cases, under the threat of an oath the constitution, which he brought during the inauguration, when... he assumed this position, that is the biggest responsibility. you mentioned ughledar and the withdrawal of the armed

forces of ukraine, there are already many different comments, and how the 72nd brigade left there, and how difficult it was there, and the president partly talked about this spoke, and those who are at the front, or who receive information from there, say that everything is complicated enough, as evidenced by the recent events of the scientist... coaler, do they continue this chain that was already during this great war, and this is yet another city that also demands an investigation into what happened there and who did not make the appropriate decisions when they should have been made? look, this is not the first case of such similar events at the front, it all started with severodonetsk, which... was declared non-aggressive fortress, and the troops were left alone with their problems and sooner or later, bleeding

, they had to retreat, then there was bakhmut, where i had the honor of spending my four months in the war, then there was avdiyivka, then the ugledar came, in fact the same thing is happening in toretsk , and pokrovsk, kurakhovo is waiting, because everyone is talking about pokrovsk, because it is the road to the dnipro, but... this is the road to zaporizhzhia and a ruse for our troops covering the zaporizhia front, pay attention, that is why ugudar actually opens the road to this very korokhov , respectively, or it is possible to draw some conclusions from this, yes, yes, even vovchanchan had to say, yes, everything happens according to the same scenario, why? because the president, with all his positive brilliance, as a speaker, i always emphasize this, is not capable of... creating an effective management system, i.e. multi-year plans of responsible persons,

monitoring them and punishing those who either steal or are simply an ineffective manager , instead he substitutes all this activity for very difficult, mundane, perhaps often imperceptible, unheroic, perhaps he replaces these infamous fortresses, he believes that if we keep this fortress, we will win the war, because if the 72nd brigade, which saved kyiv in 22, being alone against 50 thousand russian invaders who were advancing on kyiv , there is a coal mine, then in the infantry battalion of this brigade there were sometimes 20 men left, nothing can be done to save the coal mine, if you do not have... there are reserves that came from mobilization, and there were none, 20

men in battalion, where there should be at least 200, and even 300-400, this means that this is the center war control did not do its job, if they did not hear artillery salvos for a month and a half, then it means that the war control center did not supply them with shells, if at the same time they have a ratio of drones to ... russians one to 10, then it means , that the state did not provide them with what they needed, if they are flanked, and this city, well, in a multi-storey building in the bare steppe, if they are flanked. moreover, they go around through the terrorist brigade, because the combat assault troops went to the forest, then this means that there is no fortification, which means the war control center has not fulfilled what it promised us after the fall of avdiivka, the conclusion is the same, while we continue to shoot a series of slippery fortresses, one after

another for the third year, until we build a systematic work of war. the machines of war are here, unfortunately, it will continue, what i mean by construction, we must eventually have engineering troops and build fortifications, but now the 72nd brigade has left volidar, it is retreating along the main field, i am afraid to think how difficult it is, and i'm afraid to think about the amount of blood, and fratifications, a billion dollars have been allocated for them this year from the state budget, and at. to protect the soldiers from the advancing enemy with drones, they are there, no, they are not, but 1.5 billion dollars were allocated for them, and if you have 20 men in your battalion, then where are these reserves? do you remember, we were told that there are 12 brigades, only there are no weapons for them, or 14, but

there are no weapons, so where are they, why are they not in the trenches? therefore, summarizing one thing: first, great respect for those who defended bogledar in these terrible 2.5 years, and to the 72nd brigade and many other units, because they did everything they could and much more, and to those who stood on the flanks, also not provided with everything necessary, and allowed a breakthrough, also huge respect , and this is a huge setback for the state, which is waging war with such - uh, not systematically, but with episodic orders about the heroism of individual units. this is not the way to victory. the way to victory, says zelensky, is an operation in kursk oblast, because today he was in sumy oblast and said that this operation will help ukraine to end the war justly.

let's listen to what zelensky said at the end of his visit to sumy oblast. it is very important. to understand that the exchange rate operation is really a strategic thing, something that adds motivation to partners, adds motivation to be with ukraine, will be more decisive, and put pressure on russia, put pressure in such a way that it can help us end the war, the war, end justice. yuriy vitaliyovych, the armed forces of ukraine have been in the territory of the kursk region for two months, in your opinion, is it appropriate to hold these territories and is it will allow ending the war justly, as zelenskyi says. i partially agree with the president, because the course operation really broke a lot of stupid imaginary red lines in the west. this is true. she restored faith in the fact that the armed forces of ukraine can not only stand on

the defensive, but conduct unexpected, brilliant offensive operations, well, i would say so, restored the slogan. ukraine is not dead yet and to us, to many who are having a hard time with the last year of retreat, and even more so in the west, but from the second, to the second 50%, i do not agree with the president, because i believe that all the positives of this offensive have already been exhausted, and at this moment it is coming, well, if it hits us with its tail, predicted in advance, and i told you about this in the studio, possible negatives, now they are no longer possible, but obvious. if you have 1,600 km of battle lines and resources in people, in equipment, in ammunition, in artillery, in tanks, and so on, the russians have more than you, then it is not in our interests to increase the line combat formation for another 320 km, today in sumy and kurshchyna, i

have no right to say how much, but believe me, very many brigades that were removed from donbas, ukrainian brigades. and this means that our defense in donbas has become weaker, there are fewer people, less equipment, less byk, less hymers, less of everything, so the fact that many russians were taken prisoner there and our heroes returned home is an honor and a shame, that what woke up the west, well done, the fact that the soldiers there are also showing heroism is clear, but it seems to me that at this moment... russia is already demonstrating that it does not care, that is, the occupation of 4% of one kurdish region, not the whole of russia, but just one area. this is despite the fact that we have only 45 km occupied on the left bank does not bother them, but our troops are overstretched. it seems to me that in this

situation it is necessary to make a decision about the strengthening of donbas, and i rely on the opinion of a military man whom i deeply respect as a professional, absolutely non-party, absolutely, let 's say, objective, mr. muzhenko, the former head of the general staff, he said that of course there would be ... offensive actions against the adversaries, that's right, but first of all we should defend our own, and all resources and all plans should be built around not surrendering their lands, and in this situation, it seems to me that the president is engrossed in the kurdish operation, trying not to notice that in donbas every day we are ceding our territories, and ahead, i say once again: pokrovsk, well, in fact, the enemies are two landings from pokrovsk , and this is a direct road to dnipropetrovsk region, pavlograd and beyond the dnipro, and

kurakhovo, and this is a direct road to zaporizhzhia, it seems to me that this, at least, requires well-thought-out systemic actions in ukraine. against this background, zelenskyi says that ukraine is beginning to ramp up arms production. in that among them, he says that he is starting to produce systems, unmanned systems, so why do you think the president is focusing right now on the third year of the great war, and were there any other options with the beginning of the great war and his calculations for his own weapons? well, let's say so, it would be a long conversation if we remembered what happened in 19'. year, as missile, artillery, drone, air defense and many other programs were frozen. let's put it down to the fact that the current

president thought it was all unnecessary, the main thing is to look into putin's eyes and meet in the middle. let's assume that he was a naive manager who didn't understand that he was dealing with an absolute maniac, to whom to go unarmed is to simply fall into his clutches. become a victim, that's what happened in the 19th year, in the 22nd year, i apologize for the year, but in the 22nd year there was a shock, we all fought back from the russians, and even we ourselves did not believe how heroic those actions were, now it is clear that the 22nd year was a year when it was necessary to fight back, but there was no, well, rapid development of one's own military industry, probably not was possible yes, in the 22nd year for the first time we received western aid with lethal weapons, maybe someone has forgotten, then i want to remind you that since the 14th year, western countries prohibited us not

only from giving lethal weapons, but even equipment for their production, this was specific , and that is why we purchased equipment for rockets, for artillery, and components, and we did all this with our own money and did it, but in this case... the next 22nd year was a year of shock, and the 23rd, in 23 it was obvious that the ukrainian military-industrial complex had to be deployed this year, i am far from thinking that the ukrainian military-industrial complex could make there, well, from scratch the best missiles, the best tanks, the best airplanes, such things are not built so quickly, nevertheless, it was possible to arrange the release of a million drones, which we were promised, we heard that this year drones... will be a million, but when the deputy commission pushed the relevant heads of state institutions against the wall, they found out that, well, let's say, if you don't

call the figure that way, let them call it, there is not a third, you understand, that's why at the front, all this talk about a million drones causes the same reaction what are you and i talking about a billion, billions, yes or a billion, yes ah... and this despite the fact that the funds have been allocated, and this despite the fact that in many places people assemble these drones on their own, that is, the state could kill , it's not space production, it's just assembly, on the other hand, ukraine has finally restored its missile programs, which were developed under poroshenko, and look what 's happening in our country, all our propaganda is hitting the heads of ukrainians that it's a bad event , greedy america does not give permission to strike with long-range missiles, how many kilometers, at first they said 150, then they admitted that there is no place to beat at 150 km, because the russians have long

since... removed all the planes and take off much deeper. 300. and here is an absolutely fair question from the americans. i say we apologize, but you have neptune, and it hits at 300. so you are asking us about our missiles, of which we are in short supply, which we need for other existing and possible soldiers, because for us, ukraine is a pronad everything, but israel is playing for them, taiwan is threatened for them, africa is for them, latin america is for them, they say: "we gave you everything we could, but we never we will empty our warehouses to zero, the europeans have an even funnier story, they emptied their warehouses, and the new factories did not spin up, did not fulfill their plans and will start giving shells there and equipment only next year, they say, but you have missiles for 300 km, and recently they launched a clearing for 500, and there are even developments for more than a thousand, so maybe we will give you money and you will make more of them, do you

have the opportunity? release neptune 100 units per year, let us help you financially, score 300, no, you must give us, otherwise you are to blame, this is not how responsible people behave, at this point the victory plan is a set of one-sided demands. here i want to go back a little briefly in history, there was such a president of the united states, roosevelt, at the beginning of the second world war, when britain was alone. with the victorious hitler, who actually took over all of europe, he came to the congress, roosevelt, said: let's vote for lend-lease, america has never given money to other countries for war, much less given equipment for free, and he says: i will explain to you, i have a neighbor, the minister of finance, his barn once caught fire, he came to me and asked, he says: president, give me a hose, i will put out the fire and give it back...

the hose to you later, and if it burns, then i will pay you in installments later, that 's what lendlis, and the americans voted so, well, the british, by the way, until 2006, i think the 16th alliance until the 70s, and they somewhere until the 2000s, moreover, those paid, moreover, the british reported their naval bases in iceland, in asia, in africa, that is, they gave away a large part of their gold and currency reserves, that is, it was not just like that, and now look, now transfer... a historical example of what is happening in our country, the president of a warring country comes to the united states and says: give me the hoses, i need to put out a super fire, she says: yes, sure how much did you buy do you have funds in your budget? i say no, no, then money to raise the salaries of tax officials, the bureau of economic security, well, all my favorites, and i also need to build roads, in short, you understand,

the hose will be... yours, and we will drink beer and sing to the guitar at night for his own, well, not so much works, and that is why they always politely but steadily say from the west, start with yourself, because the victory plan is called cool, ukrainians are not supposed to know it, we have already been told that they have shown it to everyone, they will show us a part of it, well, okay, because we are a mass , and the main characters have their own plans, yes, but... not about that, but we have the state budget of ukraine for the next year, this is to open the document, and anyone here, and even more so anyone there, will read it, open the budget for the next year and you will see things, a billion dollars for the construction of roads, civilian purposes billion, another 15 billion to increase the salaries of fiscal and law enforcement agencies. and

a little more for half a billion for investment projects, no one knows which ones, and technology parks, no one knows for what, in the amount of 2.5 billion dollars, i will transfer from hryvnias to dollars, let's calculate whether it would be possible to make drones with these funds , guys, relays, in order to at least cover our soldiers at the front, we will ask for offensive weapons from america, but you? do your homework, build something that will protect the soldier in the trench to stop the pensioners and to collect their meager funds from an unfortunate pension of 300, instead of the state buying them protection. no, it turns out that it's more important to raise the wages of our own and let these hungry orphans build a big building again, because you see they're...