we understand that there is a public part, there is a non-public part, and there, well, in the public part , everyone starts talking, well, not everyone, well, but there are yavlin people, for example, there, let's freeze, let's freeze, we understand that it's a cry to nowhere, well, at least he is there, this is a story about stopping the war, a ceasefire, people will stop dying, we have heard this rhetoric, they will not stop dying, and the war in this sense will not stop, and will continue, it is necessary to create an atmosphere. in which ukraine appears to be an opponent of war, this is necessary for the deterioration of the image of kyiv, that it resists this and craves blood, it is done only for this, for nothing else. as a matter of fact, even these people with a feedlot say that everyone is ready, but only ukraine is resisting. this is definitely a deception, a large-scale deception, kremlin intelligence, which cannot be followed. because, i emphasize once again, it is directed against ukraine, because it is empty talk. a simple litmus test, a simple example. how can this be

achieved? very simple: i'm sure, i suspect, there is insider information that putin has been offered many times to stop mutual shelling, that is, you stop shelling the territory of ukraine, and ukraine stops shelling the territory of russia, without using drones, missiles, moscow has always refused, always, here you are fighting on the front line and fighting, let's define a zone, no more than 20-30 km along the line front, but no more strikes on the territory. ukraine, even in kherson, even in khmadity, even in other places. why not agree on this, why not stop destroying the whole country. putin no longer agrees. that is, what does this indicate? this shows that he does not want any peace, he does not want any ceasefire, no bloodshed. i think that such proposals will be introduced. there is already information that a group of semi-loyal moscow intellectuals is forming. i won’t even name them, everyone knows them, who have to... repent

in european capitals and form a non -governmental position of peace, all this is also launched by the kremlin, and the mandate of those people will be, relatively speaking, they just know, a wandering tent, or they they will present someone's specific signature there, of course, because this is what abramovich deals with, him he is assigned to do this, he pulls these people up, this is specifically done by abramovych and the persons connected with him, that is, this is a series of harsh officials. which are connected in this sense, probably surkov has something to do with it, again, they are talking about it, it is similar, because abramovich deals with exchanges, abramovich interacts with the leadership in turkey. istanbul is a grain corridor, so -called, yes it was, all his, all his, so now it will be pushed through. first, the experienced western allies also understand this. talk about what washington does not understand this - it's funny. washington is fine. he understands, he just does something else,

there is an understanding of the situation there, to say that they are naive or stupid there, then no, they understand everything, another question, maybe it is beneficial for the negotiation process to be and for putin not to fall completely, we talk about this a lot have said many times, because they are afraid of chaos, a vacuum that may arise in connection with the defeat of putin, and it is not clear who will take his place, there is no predicted person. they are probably working on this issue, but are not ready to accept it too fast and...reactive actions to achieve the result of the same plan of victory, as it will lead to chaotic consequences in russia itself. and they will think about it more globally, for a long distance, so no one will go for a simple ceasefire, but at the same time they will not give up interaction and attempts to find a compromise in order to start this peaceful negotiation process. he saw each other in kateri and now stopped due to the beginning of the operation of the armed forces of ukraine in kursk oblast at the beginning of august. again, it's like...

we're going from this insider information and rumors that the press published. i assume that there could have been some consultations in katra, why not, there could have been. another question is what are the consequences of this kind of initiative? if this is a public negotiation process, the parameters on which these negotiations will be based should be determined. the ukrainian side, like the international community, proposed a formula for peace: international law, an understanding of international security. we all know. what is respect for sovereignty, the territorial integrity of the country and so on, what china is talking about even in its 12 principles last year, in 2013, published and declared about the commitment of the first principle to international law, its recognition and respect, and since the bases are not defined, the dispute continues about where are the red lines, so to speak, geopolitical realities, law the powers, you understand, are discussing the right of force, and moscow cannot prove its primacy in... in this matter,

it has not demonstrated this right of force, but if kiev were taken, then of course one could talk about the right of force, defeated the force rights, in this case we are dealing with brazen blackmail, the armed forces of kursk region will reach moscow. i am exaggerating, but in reality it is impossible to start negotiations, because two principles compete: the law of force and international law. until they agree on this, it is impossible to sit down at the negotiating table. thank you , mark, for this extremely interesting and honest conversation. i want to remind our viewers that now spresso was working on the air. mark fegin, a figure of the russian opposition in exile, a former deputy of the state duma, a famous video blogger. thanks mark. thank you. there are discounts on strength detox.

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the situation with reconstruction in different regions of ukraine, about people's rights, opportunities and personal experience. this is what olga's house looked like last year, and this is what it looks like now. i... don't spend money at the moment. about how to unite the country in the process of recovery in the project of the urban reconstruction and development program, every saturday at 18:30 on espresso. lukash adamskyi, deputy director of the myrushevsky center, an expert on polish-ukrainian cooperation, will now work on the espresso broadcast. polish historian. welcome, mr. lukasz, to espresso. good day. well, the extremely vexing, difficult issue of exhumations in volyn, we understand how much political weight this issue has acquired, public, media, well, and in general, the discussion

has also moved into the ethical plane, and we understand that now there are signals that given the case may be resolved in the coming months. so your assessment of the current flow.

of the murdered poles and the dispute about the meaning of the plaque on the monastery mountain and those who believe that it is

necessary to make ice, because if ukraine is here if he does, then there will be some kind of armadegan and the poles will start demanding unknown things, in poland , of course, probably all ukrainians know that this case is very sensitive, that it is also gaining such political weight from the choraz.

here it is to look for and then bury the bones of people who once were, in fact, and here is an extremely important point, so you mentioned the poles who died or were killed in volyn, but we understand that ukrainians were also killed, and if we are talking about exhumation, well, we understand that this story cannot be divided when we are talking about the technical aspects of the extraction, a joint polish-ukrainian certain institution that would occupy. exhumations, so that later there would be no complaints or objections, for example, from the ukrainian side that this is how the poles

worked without us, and from the polish side that, for example, ukrainian exhumers worked in certain areas. in general, what is the prospect of, well, because this is not a question for historians, it is a question for the relevant authorities, who will study the remains or remains of human bodies in the proper way, according to the proper procedure.

in your opinion, this crisis appeared, well , it seems to me that it is somehow also a crisis of trust of both institutions in each other, but also a crisis.

truths on both sides, and we also have people who, who really do not know how to communicate with another, with the other side, probably because of emotions, and this is a huge problem, and perhaps it would really be worthwhile to remove a certain responsibility from the shoulders of historians, yes , because here we are talking about exhumation, that is, we are talking about certain investigative procedures, that is, the results of which must be recorded and... we understand that this matter could perhaps move from place to place in its practical aspect, if it were possible that some appropriate, i don't know, joint institution would appear, or were authorized by the governments, from the cabinets of ministers, for example, of poland and ukraine, which would could take over the regulation of relevant problems related to national

legislation, we understand that the legislation in both ukraine and poland is extremely rich, so...

in the future, they will be reluctantly considered, but such, such statements then will be less if we let's really talk to ourselves, we need

as few statements as possible, as many cases as possible, in addition to volyn, there is, for example, the issue of sagryn and the corresponding memorial sites on the territory of poland, yes, where possible, it would also be worthwhile to carry out appropriate exhumation works, well if we start this process in volyn, then we should not... limit ourselves to ukraine, there are corresponding tragic pages, which are also localized in poland, what to do with that? absolutely, and i will even say that unlike volhynia and halychyna, in eastern poland probably had even more ukrainian victims of the conflict than polish ones. instead , i also want to say that this is what i am saying, because even as a person who personally traveled for three days in eastern poland last year and...

mr. director, as we understand it, the restoration of the table involves the restoration of the text that was on the destroyed table, what... prospects for the monastery on the mountain to be properly commemorated, is there, do you see the light at the end of the tunnel, well, i do, because

regardless of the doubts, whether there is there is a monastery on this mountain, there were actually buried persons, whose names were on the table or someone else, but there is an understanding that it was a mistake on the polish side to restore this memorial table to others. form so as not to restore this part where there were surnames, i believe that it should be restored, on the contrary, due to emotional escalation, it seems that now there is such a conviction that for the first time, let ukraine say that there are no obstacles whatsoever to expel all people , whatever the purpose of all this, let's search for volyn in galicia, and then we will... return to the question of the table in the monastery, and ukraine thinks the opposite, right? and here the question is, is it worth it, is it expedient, is it politically reasonable to make these two cases dependent, or is it not worth it?

well, the key story is that if there was an appropriate polish-ukrainian body that would take care of such matters, well, at least what concerns the resolution of technical issues, permits, conversations with representatives of local administrations, local self-government in poland and ukraine, well, i think what's the matter would go much faster, well, but to what extent is important, if we are talking now about the last meeting of the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine sybigi with the polish minister of foreign affairs sikorsky, then we understand that it was not only about this, i think that there are also a number of so -called difficult problems that must be solved as soon as possible, what about that, as far as i know, to the minister of gas, to president dudia, then to the marshal of the sejm... mr. main and during other meetings said basically one thing, that ukraine has a plan for how

to solve it in the end.

poland itself, so that ukraine defeats the russian aggressor, of course, there are many others such bilateral issues as border issues, but unfortunately, now a lot is tied to those issues of the exumas, because if you ask the poles, we, for example, conducted such a survey, which should be the main polish goal in relations with ukraine, but of course

there is support,

the corkscrew, so it is ukrainian, and it must be taken out of this corkscrew now, so as not to crash, and if poland will block the european integration of ukraine, which seems unlikely to me, but i cannot completely rule out this option either, but that’s it there will be a tragedy. thank you, dear mr. director, for this extremely important conversation on the air of the tv channel, i want to remind our tv viewers that lukash adamskyi, the deputy director of the center named after him, was currently working. polish historian, expert on polish-ukrainian cooperation. well, the time of our program has run out, stay with the spresso tv channel. my colleagues will inform you about all the most important events of this extremely difficult time. take care of yourself and your loved ones. see you on air.