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they like to do it, but nothing, we say to the fsb in cassocks, here 100%, no one will dig in anymore, people understand who we are actually talking about, they sued because they wanted to to get land in the white church and in myrhorod, they got plots there, but the local authorities took those plots from them, and then the fsb in ryasakh... they ran to the court, they said, give us ours, well, but the court said no, no they will give, well, you know, these are very nice decisions, because you and i rallied the verkhovna rada so that they would pass an important draft law, this happened before the independence day, and it is clear that, daddy, they are on a rampage, these fsbershniks in cassocks, they chased appeal there when their land is taken away, and the moscow one... they are generally such landlords,

believe me, even the deputies of the previous mandates are very, very, very far from them. and here there is such a great pleasure that the supreme court... a panel of three judges gave us very good judicial practice and told the popes that if they did not make a replacement in the statute at one time, did not write that they have a center of subordination in an enemy state to us, i.e. in russia, in principle they cannot even claim the title of a religious organization, and you can take land from them, and in fact the decisions of these local councils, in particular the white church, they stood up in court, and i emphasize that when the supreme court... makes a decision, it is not only there in these two cases, these are the first swallows, and we can hope that when the fsb in ryasy wants to get ukrainian land under control , they will be refused in such cases, and this is nice. er, well, let's

try to touch on one more topic, we don't have much time, i think that everyone is, well, i don't even know, we heard today how people are just discussing among themselves, everyone is discussing the story of... i there are a lot of comments, everyone is different, well , everyone reacts roughly the same, someone is counting how many certificates could be sold, yesterday, no, certificate, i was counting yesterday how many cars could be purchased for the front line, how many drones, repsystems, i now suspect that the audience will say, well, it is better to take away from them what we will donate, but alas. there are people with a conscience and a clear conscience, and there are people who are unscrupulous, and they do things like this family from khmelnytskyi did, well , actually, if we talk about it, well of course, there is a normal reaction of a person, there

wow, bribers, for sure, this is such a horror in all these centers of medical or social assessment, or whatever it is called correctly, and so on, this is on the floor. and what, what, what is a little deeper, because this is such an iceberg, and, that is, there is something deeper, well, for example, a story comes to my mind, and what actually happens to the people who bought those certificates, nothing will happen to them , yes, we will never find out about them, well, it’s just that corruption is more active in corruption, this is a minus in this case, then there will be more than one hundred people there, today oleksia hrytsenko, who is fighting, read a post about the fact that you know which of these people... it would be possible, well, uh, there, i don’t know, more than one company under to do it, and it could change the real situation, and it is really very upsetting that among us there are such people who feel this way about war, and people even say that such corruption can generally

be equated with treason, but remember , you and i talked on the air with you, it seems to me, about sisoyanka, these are not isolated cases when people who have in the hands of power, authority, they simply abuse them and help evaders, of course, that is, if you count that it was, i don’t know, 10,000 dollars each , they sold those certificates of dollars, and that’s 600 people, and well, for example, and i i mean, there are two and three and five, there the different price may also depend on the speed, i read, that is, in fact, it is literally several real battalions, well, theoretically , and i actually... do they say this means that, for example, all certificates that were signed with the seal of this lady, or somehow to which she had little, as a leader, belonging, they should, for example, all be canceled now, their action suspended, and all should be sent for additional verification from those who are still in

ukraine, i don’t know, maybe those involved, people who paid money, for example , to her, they know what it is about, maybe they are just now all already standing there crossing, some kind of, i don't know, snag. like dmytro, so, so, that is, they are already crossing the border somewhere, because they understand that maybe it will get to them somehow, but this is also a deeper problem, of course, because the same money, in fact, it could be paid into the budget from the other side, if these are people who, well, that is, if a person is ready to pay $10,000, for example, in order not to go to war, there are two conclusions: and this a person is unlikely to fight well, the first thing that comes to mind, and b, um,... this person actually takes the money somewhere, maybe he is a successful businessman, and he can pay it legally as a tax, and, for example, there, no i know, to maintain and maintain some of your own business, that's also here, it's a multi-layered story, because corruption does not always show any deeper problems, the easiest thing to say now is

that it is very bad, let's remember that it is, for example, there are servants of the people and so on, well , this is a deeper story, but what people are definitely saying, which is probably the same... the situation in each such regional center for providing these certificates, well, this is a two-sided problem, it is not only the one who takes the bribe, it is also the one who carries the bribe. well, if you have already talked about the so- called economic booking, then the question is not that the type who has money he is booked, this is a question of who really invests in the economy, because well, for example, i spoke with businessmen, and they say that people are fired in order not to work officially, because the employer must inform about who he has there are, and then they start working unofficially, as a rule, these are people on high salaries who are needed. then it is possible that business could really invest money in the economy so that there would be no such black

flows, and indeed we could help the army in this way and not find these mattresses with money and sown beds, well, we have to somehow balance the situation, but this does not justify the culture of bribery, when people themselves pay, and this is not only an issue when we are talking about evaders, someone wants a certificate, someone wants to send a child to university. well, this is basically a disease in our country, you see, it’s a cancer, and it needs to be treated, because it’s metastases in our country, and not only in issues related to the military, education, medicine, it ’s all soaked through and through, what i also read now in social networks and through acquaintances, that the situation itself, that now this certificate can mean whether a person is subject to mobilization or not, it also created a situation where their... unscrupulous people who are responsible for it, for example, let's say, for stupidly not issued

to anyone, and this means that people with real, for example, diseases, with real disabilities, also have to pay money for this to get such a certificate, which is also probably, well, not excluded, it is an abuse of power, yes, well, here is such a story, on the background of with this, what else do we have to say, but for the first time in the history of ukraine, a whistleblower... of corruption has received a reward, by the way, he is a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, and this is a story from the dnipro, which means that there is a lot of corruption there? i don't know, there are just a lot of people there, probably, and one of them turned out to be such a whistleblower of corruption. mrs. iryna, congratulations, this, this, thank you for the air, iryna fedorov was with us, journalist, head, head of the needle public initiative. well, we are now going to take a short break and let's talk a little about demography, the cabinet of ministers

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will ukraine be like in 2051, that is of course also a question, nevertheless, the cabinet of ministers has approved a long-term strategy until this year in order to prevent such a dramatic demographic drop for ukraine, of course we need to increase the population. let's remind you, ukraine now has the lowest birth rates in the world, out of almost 200 countries in the world, the lowest birth rates, they are absolutely negative, i don't remember the exact number, we had professor stefan kmilka at that time. well, it's just that there it is necessary that every woman should give birth to 2 whole 2 children, that's how it is calculated in demography, but in ukraine now in order to reproduce like this. but in ukraine now less than one child is born , it seems there were or even less, that is, a lot of women simply do not give birth at all, because

they are postponed for some future time, and again from one, by the way, valery zaluzhnyi supports and you said, lesya told me about mobilization 18, because it is explained by the fact that... the army will be needed not only just now in the war with russia, but also later, and in order for this army to be filled, we must protect these younger ones, by the way, this is not a very optimistic vision, of course for the next 10 years, but we know that valery zaluzhnyi is just like that, he was glorified precisely with his realistic forecasts, he managed to write two large publications, and they, frankly, come true, and they are... with us is lyudmila cherenko, doctor of economic sciences, head of the department of research on the standard of living of the population of the institute of demography and social research of the national academy of sciences of ukraine. ms. lyudmila, we congratulate you. congratulations.

mrs. ludmila, national academy of sciences. ukraine predicts that by 2051 there may be only 25 million ukrainians. is it realistic to somehow correct this situation and what would have to happen for this situation to... improve, except for the war to end? eh, well, the war, of course, but also without the war, unfortunately, the demographic trends in ukraine for many years in a row, one can even say several decades, have been in such a way that our demographic future, unfortunately, well, does not look optimistic, ladies we are giving birth to fewer and fewer children... we understand this, and it was even before the war, and, well, there is hope for a baby boom, of course, when the war is over, but it is all the same, let's say,

to say that women will start giving birth more we can't have children, life expectancy will naturally increase after the war, that's for sure, before the war we had quite positive trends in life expectancy, but our population will be increasingly older. and this, unfortunately, is our perspective, ugh, listen, look, what i wanted to ask, for example, we see that this, this is an equally important question and problem for russia, russia plans to fight for the next decades, they think globally enough, this is from them, it cannot be taken away from them, they plan for years and decades, i just see russian news that they have quite exotic ideas, but there are quite a lot of them, for example, it is criminal to somehow punish a child... fries and even mentioning such a movement, about the fact that you can live without a child, and then there are some there too various ideas, for example, to introduce,

this is now being discussed in the state to the state duma of russia, for example, introduce a tax on childlessness, there is a family, there is a family, more precisely, there is no child, pay money, well, that is, do such incentives work, or do we also need to think somehow in that direction? it is clear that sick ideas appear only in sick places, in sick heads, in this way you can never influence people, if a person for some reason has decided for herself that she does not want to give birth to a child, you cannot force her to do so, especially in a democratic society, another matter the state should, let's say, support those who want to have children, and this can stop this... let's say, negative demographic trends, people who really want to have more than one child, yes, there are even those who dream of a large family, for them it is necessary

to create such conditions so that they can realize their aspirations, unfortunately, let's say this, the majority of ukrainian women will still give birth to one child, this is the reality, if we do not change the migration policy and no, well, let's say, no no yes... we will not give the green light to the representatives, let's say there are eastern, southern nationalities, yes, in russia, by the way, the demographic indicators, these are their outskirts, so to speak, and so far they more or less hold, if it were not for these southern republics of theirs, so to speak, their indicators would be terrible , probably even, even worse than ours, can we somehow keep track of... for example, the birth rate during a full-scale invasion of the third child, somehow somehow count how many families

dared to have a third child in order to... save the husband from to mobilize him, you know, unfortunately, such statistics are very difficult to find, the survey of household living conditions, this is a representative survey conducted by the state, conducted, rather, until the 22nd year on a quarterly basis, now it is suspended for martial law, for the period of martial law, for the simple reason that the interviewers cannot safely. to go around all, shall we say, parts of ukraine and go into households, conduct surveys, this was the only source that could more or less guide us by the number of children, why? because in za in zaksakh, yes registration is just taking place, they do not record the number of children in the family, the marital

status, that is, how many. children in the family, how many children a woman gave birth to in her lifetime, and so on, all these things are recorded either in the population census, unfortunately, we only had it in 2001, or in these surveys of households, which are just in the 22nd year and are not held, so we cannot say today how much the number of people with many children has increased, but i think that it is still not much, you understand, yes, from the point of view of media coverage. and this is an interesting fact that people are eager to give birth to a third child urgently to avoid mobilization, but i think that if you translate it into the language of statistics, this is not such a common phenomenon, we know from the history of the same britain that in them, for example, the technical revolution was preceded by a baby boom, but this there was a baby boom from the middle class to the middle class, which is exactly why the middle class has grown rapidly over the course of 200 years , and the explanation for this is very

simple: people who did not have money could not afford more than two children, simply because that it sharply worsened the conditions accommodation for everyone, the quality of life, and the chances , in fact, for these children of the following, that is, when people began to live in the city, relatively speaking, not in the village, they are no longer free serfs, relatively speaking, in the family, but these are actually people on whom it they are full-fledged members of the family, for which funds should also be allocated, in ukraine it is the same, it seems to me, that many children are either anti-social. some broads, or on the contrary , people who have money, but the problem is that such people are often already a little, a little older, eh, how, how to work here, it is completely different, completely different families, it is clear that in the villages, having many children is more common, this is a fact, and there can be no question of anything here, but these are completely different families, they really can be people who just aspire to such

a model. regardless of financial status, but there may be people on the contrary who have really realized themselves very successfully and, well, they are not against a large family, and they have enough finances for this and to help raise a child, yes, because it is important that a woman does not fall out or from the long-term labor market or your own usual lifestyle, that's it absolutely. different families, if we talk about today's family problems, this, unfortunately, has been inherited since the deep soviet times, the housing problem, and the process of urbanization is intensifying in our country, young people are increasingly coming to cities, and more and more often it is the families of young families with children, the problem is housing, they either do not have enough space to rent a larger area, or they cannot buy their own housing, and

this... and this, of course, stops many from having the next child, and sometimes even the first ms. lyudmila, there is a lot of talk, now it is being discussed that it is necessary to mobilize younger men, because they say that the older ones, well, their state of health is such that they cannot wage war effectively, there are those who insist on this, for example, people's deputy of ukraine, roman. kostenko says that congressmen turn to him and ask why you don't mobilize the younger men, we give you weapons, for example, valery zaluzhnyi said that he is against mobilizing the younger men, because we will need the army for later, which one is there, are there trends among younger people to start families and to have children now, are couples under 25 giving birth, which one because...