owning a home, and this, of course, stops many from having the next child, and sometimes even the first. ms. lyudmila, there is a lot of talk, now it is being discussed that it is necessary to mobilize younger men, because they say that the older ones, well, their state of health is such that they cannot wage war effectively, there are those who insist on to this, the people's deputy of ukraine, roman kostenko, says that congressmen turn to him and ask why you don't mobilize the younger ones, we give you weapons, for example, valery zaluzhnyi said that he is against mobilizing younger men, because we will need the army later, which one is there, are there trends among younger people to start families and to have children, are couples under 25 giving birth, which here is the trend,

when i talk with young people now, i hear from them very often, but it certainly cannot be some kind of sample, so i hear that this world is so scary, why bring a child here, i want to live for myself, it is better to have a dog, well, so different various arguments, why, why not, do you know about trends, you know, well, you can trace the usual trends, which are very recent, especially where... the age of both marriage registration and the birth of the first child has increased very much, it is obvious , and we understand that people are 25 years old, we all still call them children, and they feel themselves, probably still children, the age limits have shifted very much, what was 20 years ago, today everything is different, and in general, if we speak, well, in the language of behavioral economy. for example, yes, then children

born after the year 2000 are very special people, they differ from even the previous one, these are the millennials, they are already very different from the previous generation, they have completely different stereotypes, different, different views on life, and i think i also read the arguments of zulzhnogo, why, he says, these are completely different people, it really is, if we are on you... the army at the expense of people younger than 25 years old, we must understand that these are people with a completely different outlook on life, they have different frameworks, you know, ugh, and this and that, that's not all about our country, this is really the generation that was born after, well, approximately, of course, these are blurred frames, but those people who were born after the zero years, they have a sharper.

sense of, for example, environmental problems, yes, they are very concerned about it, they may even lose in earnings if they know that this company is socially responsible, has some environmental goals, yes, some adheres to some environmental standards, this is this already the people of tomorrow, a newer generation, yes, and understanding and attitude to the family them... it is completely different, if the millennials still, still somewhat repeated in matters of attitude towards the family of their parents, generation x, yes, then, the generation of these already born after the zero years, they, they completely, completely differently treat to the concept of family, they are not tied to housing, eh, they, they will prefer rented housing, not their own, in our, in our genes in general... yes

, to ukrainian traditionalism, this is exactly the attachment to this little possession of ours, the baby boomer generation, we, we, we all do otherwise, somewhere out there, we consider it a great, great value and achievement, the very affirmation of building your own house, owning a car, being financially stable and secure, helping children, yes, i am mrs. lyudmylo, one more question, we are already going over it a little. but you also mentioned that we will have to revise our e- strategy in relation to migrants in one way or another, literally yesterday yevhenii ichelzon, a well-known ukrainian intellectual, a member of the nesteriv group of intellectuals, and a blogger of ukrainian pravda, he wrote such a post in on facebook that he says that they will come to ukraine, conditionally speaking, because he says so. now we do not have

a queue of people who want to enter ukraine, and it is unlikely that it will appear even after the end of the war, and he says that they will go to the country where, where he lists, there is no xenophobia and racism, high... . standard of living, many different jobs, easy to do business, low crime rate, there is a prospect of obtaining citizenship and so on, is it ukraine, are these the points that should be taken into account in this strategy 20-40, are they taken into account there , you understand, if all it was as you say, that is, after the war, we became a country with an attractive economy in one year, and with such a... very civilized society with compliance with all norms, of course, then there would be no need to do anything to come to us came, they would still stand in line and strive to come to us anyway, if we really want to attract, well,

let's say people from not very poor countries, of course there are certain legislative steps. which should stimulate, but, but believe me, there are a lot of representatives of the same, well, former ones, so to speak, of the soviet union of the southern republics, which would like to come for the same purpose, to conduct business there related to agriculture and so on, but of course certain conditions are required for this. any business, it seeks profits, you understand that this is the main thing for us, the legislation is not enforced in relation to businessmen, this is also corruption, yes, this is not an opaque business and so on, that is, we must aim at these things, overcome those

obstacles that prevent business from freely entering, freely developing, well, look on the same communist china, yes, business enters there, because certain conditions have been created for it, we are talking about birth rate and we understand that it is not about biology, it is not about eggs and sperm, it is actually about economy and about the quality of governance in the state, management, mrs. lidmila, thank you very much for the conversation, we spoke with dr. of economic sciences, head of the department of research on the standard of living of the population at the institute of demography and social sciences. cheranko, let's continue the topic a little now mobilization, ideas of mobilization since the age of 18, ihor chelenko, head of the center for analysis and strategies. already with us, mr. igor, we congratulate you. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory. well, this is not only a topic of mobilization there, 18 years, but also

a topic of economic reservation. i read your conversation on the internet itself, on the radio, where you also discussed it, now. and you know, i want to continue this conversation as soon as possible, we, we heard that some kind of economic mobilization project is allegedly being prepared again, after all, we are now looking at this man who on that bed on a pile of dollars and they are sorted there and so on, well, besides all this, i think that theoretically those 6 million dollars could have been paid as a tax for an economy reservation and would have gone directly. to the budget for the financing of the army, again, instead of, because we understand how many millions of such dollars are actually taken out of the country, even this family managed to partially take them out of the country, we understand the meaning of economic armoring, but the question which i would like to ask, and now in the ranks of the armed forces

there are thousands of businessmen, managers, bankers, and lawyers in ukraine who volunteered at one time or were mobilized and did not refuse. from this in some way, and now there is a majority of the armed forces of ukraine, and they can also ask: okay, then we also want to ban ourselves economically. well, you know, this issue today is really systemic, and the solution there is one economic reservation, well, we won't solve it, it should actually be applied in parallel, for example, with the introduction of fair rotations. it is clear that... what we have before it was incorrectly called demobilization, well , that is, remember, there was a discourse about how much military serviceman must serve during martial law in order to be able to go, well, there for two years at least to do

his own business, well, it was even implemented in a specific bill, his the truth was not supported, several bills, by the way , were from that moment, and again, now this topic... it has developed into a slightly different situation, now the topic is being discussed, for example, the possibility of fighting somewhere from one to three months, so that a person has the opportunity somewhere then for a month. go home, rest, but again, this is all at the level of words, at the level of thoughts, but from the point of view of legislation, well, nothing really changes, the war continues, and a citizen who becomes a military man, accordingly, he has the opportunity, of course for dembele, but we understand that these are not the ways that we would like for our military personnel, i won't elaborate, but nevertheless, still, that ... in terms of economy booking, please note, that is, we have already been informed there

and mr. zheleznyak, and there i also heard statements that a political decision has allegedly been made, of course, business is seriously lobbying for this topic, but on the other hand, they have not shown, they have not shown which specific path, which specific directions from these three discussed models will still be applied, and plus again, how then to... name the million people booked now, where we still have about 20% of the unused reserve under the current conditions, what the government decree determines, there is still an opportunity to book accordingly, the questions are open, and by the way i will say that actually economy booking will not reduce the amount of cash, what we are seeing now, because this amount of cash, it is generated, it is earned in the shadow. then it spins in the shadows, and the economic

reservation will affect only our white sector, that sector that pays taxes, the economy, it is paid in the same way in the shadow and that is how people work, again the only question is about wages, will it be necessary to pay separately for each there 20, 400 hryvnias, is there a question there 35-36 thousand salary should be minimal, well, that is, also from. nuances, but nevertheless, it’s all the same, it doesn’t solve the situation, the situation we have today is more conceptually ensuring the defense capability of the state and the depletion of those human resources, so many people say that you can’t use the word resource to refer to people, but no, that’s it too a resource that is ending, and people are working on the edge, and we are well aware of this now due to the situation directly at the front, well, the actual question now is the replacement of this resource by... replenishment of this resource, the possibility of some rotations, and the most important thing is the question of a more

professional approach to the selection of recruits today, so we now have a government decision that brigades can recruit pozk, topics with the possibility of recruiting there and vovka devinshi and the third and 47th brigades, well, in principle, there are good results , they have they don't take from them in quantity, but they take from them in quality during this recruiting, and that's why, again, when we come to the topic of mobilization, which you mentioned, that up to 18 years old and so on, today no one interferes with 18 - tyric to go and really to defend their homeland, many are doing so now, in fact, of their own volition, motivated people defend today, but at the same time, at the same time, we must remember that if the state a few months ago... said about basic military service, that from 18 until the age of 25, people have to pass it, so why

don't we use all the reserve that we have today with 25+, i'm not saying that everyone immediately goes to the front, no, but the issue is that our tsc continue to work inefficiently from the point of view of operating the information we have just collected clarification of data, but at the same time, where are the results specific? as for filling specialties, not sending people who were caught on the street by stormtroopers right away to specific specialties that brigades need today, here's the nuance: the selection system does not work, so if you do 23 years, 21 years, 18 years, under the current selection system mobilization, nothing fundamentally will change, but this is the biggest problem, we need digitalization and a complete reboot, just... this selection in order for the troops to recruit those who are really needed, it is to me

seems to echo the ideas that mr. pavlo sheremeta, a well-known ukrainian economist, expressed on our airwaves, who says that we really need some kind of economic reservation, some other things and so on, or for example, solutions like, let's go to 25 it is forbidden to move anyone to the legal level, or any orders, let's not take anyone from 50 years old. and so on, but rather such a smart approach, when there really is some accounting and you can decide who is needed, when the state sees that for example, a teacher at... a university, who is 55 years old, and there is no great sense from him, probably not in the army, but here, for example, is a person who is a super engineer of some structures there, and he can be very useful even in his own army and so on, i.e. what is there is, or or here, and here, for example, there are some young people with excellent physical training, and this and that

are also needed now, well, that is, for the state to have access to some such things, but how here to provide so? also, relatively speaking, all those things are corrupt, protect yourself from them, this is a question of how and how to give at least some, some hope of justice? well, again, you understand that corruption, it appears where the system does not work, where we talk about duties, but for some reason these duties do not go to everyone, but to those who are poorer, less clever and so on, and... indeed , there is always an option how to bypass the situation, but it is really possible to bypass it at the system level, reducing the human factor, human influence, here is an excellent example, by the way, of the same booking, when, that is, to of how the possibility to book employees came into effect, this topic went on for months and

months, and often based on rumors, it was necessary to enter it so that those persons who legally have the right to make a reservation should be confirmed to them after all , and as soon as it was put into action, the issue is resolved in one day, there is no corruption, the enterprises that are critical for our economy there, without any problems, it is all done in, well, almost in one click, roughly speaking, in a day they do it, it just shows that... the issues in the system, and the need for these systemic changes, not facade changes, but if we talk about the need to change this paper army, then really the only issue is digitization, less human influence, and a concrete understanding of today's needs, this is what today will allow us to remove this fog

of uncertainty in which all kinds of representatives msekiv, tsk. the vlk can collect millions of dollars for themselves, which we later see scattered on the sofas, you know, this week everyone was watching the situation with the coal miner, and in the end it became clear that our troops were taken from there, i'm sorry, and and on the page of the 72nd brigade, which was in the coal mine , there was a post that these were very difficult days, very, and then we learned that during you... this also happened to the 72nd brigade due to the fact that the 123rd brigade of tro mykolaiv actually escaped from there and kombat, unfortunately, unfortunately, ended his life by suicide, well, we do not have a hundred percent confirmation of this, that it was suicide, well, but his death is already half-truth, his death has already been confirmed, and actually,

you can't somehow condemn this tro brigade either, because it is not a tro brigade to the end. staffed, and when people who, in principle , were ready to go to the army, see such a situation, whether or not this is a loss of motivation of those who would be ready to be recruited, we have two minutes, well, look, the situation with the ugledar is really as difficult as possible , and i would not rush to conclusions here, because... there is an understanding of the general task of maximally expending the resource of the aggressor during the relevant defensive actions, but it is clear that with the influx that our defense forces are facing, well, there is still a reserve today in the occupier, and he continues to press the issue

of time only, and how at this time , our government there, our diplomatic corps... uses it in order to attract additional aid, and ultimately the issue of organizing future negotiations. all the same, today the main diplomat is the defense forces, but of course, the situation when both officers and servicemen in the 72nd begin to say that they did not receive an order to leave the coal mine, this raises questions, or so various sources say. . opposite things, and it requires a very serious one today investigation, i believe that it should not be public after all, it is not a topic where unnecessary fuss is needed. i understand that there are people like bezugla, for example, who will inflate this topic as much as possible, but from the point of view of exactly that, if we are talking about the protection of our

servicemen, then it is necessary to show that all decisions were made to protect all our servicemen , territories are secondary, servicemen are the main thing, but we have to prove it, so there really should be some kind of investigation, well, at least minimal general information. this should also be made public. mr. igor, thank you. ihor chelenko, head of the analysis and strategy center, was with us, dear friends. thank you for being with us today. we'll be back tomorrow at 8:10 and continue, and eterespresso continues. and thank you, almost 40 thousand were collected today, one thousand was not enough, and one thousand was not enough for me to say that we also collected 250,000 with you. thank you, see you tomorrow.

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saturday 17 :10, sunday 18:15, on espresso. my friends, congratulations. we begin our broadcast with a grandiose scandal that is taking place in hollywood, from the end of last month, to ukraine, this scandal and its discussion came a little later, and this is understandable, we have a lot of our own problems of discussions, scandals and cases, as usual, but even we cannot ignore such an event, as well as well as the fact that the scandal that is raging now in the united states and around the world, it is without... averagely affects us and our problems, and it is good that those problems are starting to surface again. of course, i am talking about the scandals with the sex parties of the rapper puff. said

pd shanakoms, he has a lot of different names, it became clear, he was first arrested, and now he is facing an incredible number of different charges, it all started with the fact that in the late 90s, early 2000s , it became known that he organized sex parties with orgies in his estate, but it's like, well, let people do it if they like it, but the question is that... there probably were beatings, beatings, beatings, beatings of minors, it's also quite possible , that this rapper is involved in many murders, known, in particular people, already there is a discussion that he was involved in the murder of, for example, tupac shakur, a famous american rapper, or even michael jackson, and that's why it's just

such a huge scandal, and he's also ... very uncomfortable because of those sex parties , where there were probably devouring, involved people of just world scale, such as beyoncé, for example, or leonardo dicaprio, discussions begin that they knew all this, that they may have even participated in all this, and if the investigation proves it, the investigation for sure happens, and pafa daddy is not released on bail, then you can... imagine the collapse of hollywood and american, and therefore world show business, because, well, imagine if we're talking about a revocation system, about the so-called canceling, and when a person is simply swept out of the information space for some misdeeds, for image losses, and this person ceases to exist, so imagine, ceasing to exist as the actor leonardo dicaprio,

he disappears even more. does not play anywhere and it is quite possible that they stop showing films for him participation a singer like beyonce or jlo disappears. and then, perhaps, they even begin to conduct some kind of investigation, and perhaps they, too, begin to be accused of something. that is, imagine the scale. and all this is now being discussed in the world for the third or fourth week, it seems to me. it discusses. not just bloggers out there or the tabloids, it's being discussed in the major media in the news, it's being discussed along with political issues because it can be implicated, it can be implicated as well politicians, it is discussed both donald trump and the obamas, that they could come to these parties at pdd, which are called white parties, because you had to dress all in white there, maybe

oprah was there, i... palku supports the candidate from the democratic party, and the same is said about donald trump, that is, something impossible is just happening there, it is also clear that conspiracy theories are making their way, and one of the most striking is that this is all done for the election, specifically, but not really because this whole story has been going on for quite a long time, they tackled it so... more or less seriously last year, and that's why now it's just ripe, this problem is ripe, so that it has gone beyond some legal, legal plane, and here we see such a scandal, which is discussed simply, well , if you go to youtube now, it is discussed in many simply a large number of bloggers who are now engaged in some stories about all these show business affairs, they talk about it to. what

are we here at all, yes, because everyone can say that we have a war now, we have losses now, why do we have to discuss all this, but the point is that it affects us too, why, because on twitter, well, mostly on twitter, after all this, there were the first waves of discussion of this scandal in hollywood, and memes started to appear with mykhailo poplavsky, memes just started to appear, now we can see at least some of them, they are all very different, some are funny, some are not funny, but... they all relate to the following: they say, look how terrible things are happening in hollywood, okay , that it is not like that with us, it is all usually washed out with irony, because even with sarcasm, because mykhailo poplavsky is such an ancient representative of such famous people, whose reputation is under huge question, mykhailo poplavsky, one of those people who allows himself to talk about those things.