cheap people from those countries against which the united states and european countries are imposing sanctions, these countries can survive in the sanctions regime and continue wars in ukraine and the middle east, what to do in general, what to do, this is a vicious circle, but at the same time, of course, then you can blame israel and ukraine for the fact that they somehow do not really want peace, they need to find some kind of compromises with those who can actually continue the war, thanks to this economic... carousel, well, it is immoral, and again , what is the way out of the situation we understand, either we still force the countries of the global south to adhere to common values, or we have to tell ourselves that we will lose any conflict, we cannot win, we can only stop it there for a certain moment by force, the last question is probably whether will follow a possible response... iranian strike,

same iranians, they say that if israel retaliates, their strike will be even more powerful, well, of course, it could be more threats, but still, can we consider that such mutual blows, they will continue, of course, because with iran's strikes it's almost like with putin's strikes, the very idea that... if you strike iran, you're provoking it to strike again, it's a very strange idea in general. iran has its own political agenda. this program is called the destruction of the jewish state in the middle east. as russia has its own political program, it is called the destruction of the ukrainian state. vladimir putin, as you know, never hid his determination to destroy the ukrainian state, not only putin, medvedev wrote about it, so all these russian leaders always talked about it absolutely openly. not

hiding from anyone, explaining what their program is. iranians have been saying this since the islamic revolution. that's how this theocratic regime won, the head of which was alatial khamini first, and then aytala khamini, well, they are achieving their goals, they can wait for years. do you remember that there was a fatwa of ayatollah khamenei in relation to the famous writer salman rushdie, whom he accused for completely incomprehensible reasons of slandering islam issued a fatwa about him. destruction, and salman rushdie hid for many years, was under the protection of the intelligence services, ayatollah khomeini had already died, it was not clear whether the fatwa of ayatollah khamenei was confirmed or not, there was a long story, and in the end someone came together, hit him, the writer lost an eye, on happiness did not die, but several decades have passed since the sentence that seye allahameni passed, so you have to understand. that if you

relax with such people, they will kill you, they will not read you morals, they will kill you, so what here everything is absolutely obvious, there is this program that there should be no israel, ayatala khomeini always said this, itala khomeini is saying this, all iranian presidents, both conservatives and liberals, said this, that this masoud pizishkiyan, who is called a representative of the liberal kiel, and who won the elections against the will of the islamic revolution guards corps, who is in difficult relations with the... vative part of the islamic clergy, does he have any other position in relation to israel? does not have, he has a different position that it is necessary to coexist with the united states, it has it, it is possible to have different positions, but in relation to israel, if you want to be part of this gang, you cannot take any other position, so they will strike at israel, not when israel will strike them, and then when they decide what they should strike. strike, it's like

the russian-ukrainian war, that is, if they think that they have enough missiles, that they have enough forces, that they need such and such targets, i want to convince you that they will find a reason, it can be any -which, the anniversary of some israeli attack, the anniversary of some history with the gas sector, the anniversary of authoritarian ideologies, they can strike on holidays, just in honor of... some holiday, well, as we say now, it's vladimir putin's day birth, there may be a massive attack by russia, this is a topic in ukrainian-polish relations, and in particular in the current week that we are talking about, the head of the polish institute of national remembrance, they also have such an institute, and i lead to this, that it is quite a long time ago. exists and ukraine itself created it as well

the institute of national memory already later after the revolution of dignity. this institute has been working in poland for many, many years, if i am not mistaken. since the 90s, in fact, the head of the polish institute of national remembrance has called galicia eastern lesser poland, and this has caused in ukrainian society, it is clear that another resonance and discussion, including, ukraine is ready to discuss with poland and come to some, at least common, issue regarding the resolution of these historical troubles, in particular. minister of foreign affairs, mr sabiga stated that ukraine is ready to talk with poland about the volyn tragedy, including other statements by representatives of the republic of poland, in particular the ministry of foreign affairs states that

the volyn issue will be raised during ukraine's negotiations on joining the european union, well and here the minister also distinguished himself. defense of the republic of poland, he says that the state will not agree to ukraine joining the eu if the volyn issue is not resolved. well, here we see, in fact, another parade of statements such and by the way, by the way, speaking in a very, very balanced way, the current president of poland, andrzej duda, not this week, but last week, announced that... that after all, it is not worth raising the topic of the volyn tragedy now in the context of ukraine's accession to europe, the european union or nato, and in general not to make it a political issue, but to solve it, conditionally speaking,

well, through bilateral negotiations. mr. vitaly, if we are talking about this, i observe that... we believed that when in poland will be replaced by the government of law and justice, which essentially ruled the country from 2016 to 2000, or even from 15 to 23, a political party that is quite radical, that is politically right. force, and when in fact there is already a civil position in power for a year, when there are essentially three political forces that are considered democratic, then we observe that

the situation, well, if not the other way around, then practically the sign is the same, why is this happening now in the polish political system , as it turns out that it would seem that those who should not raise, at least this is an issue at the level of the european union, why are they raising it, i think that this is a political consensus in polish society, which, by the way, was largely created thanks to the efforts of the right-wing forces, uh, because they ensured this consensus, now , as you can see, they can say, you are speculating on this for nothing, as president andrzej duda says to the prime minister, and why does he say this, he should then essentially focus on... the radical electorate, but as i understand it , they believe they should tune out from position, if our government says that the issue of historical memory should be resolved, we will say that it is necessary, but in europe it is not necessary to blackmail ukraine, well, it is not only andrzej duda who spoke, the former minister of foreign affairs of poland, jacyk chopotowych wrote

an absolutely close article about the fact that it is not necessary to connect the politics of historical memory with what is happening in poland. ukrainian relations with the european integration of ukraine, etc., and again, i remember very well that when mr. ceputowych headed the polish foreign ministry, he was just that the person who created the situation in polish-ukrainian relations is not very easy, and when he held the position of minister, it somehow did not er... it embarrassed him, but he is a strong expert, what is the problem that these people, they are absolutely able to think logically, they understand the essence of the problem, they can come to the right conclusions, and these conclusions of mr. chapotovych, they are correct from an expert point of view, but when it comes to

some electoral decisions and the confrontation of these political forces, each of them tries prove that she is not going to give up on this one. paradigm, this means that we need a dialogue, but realistically speaking, we need a dialogue with poland, and we really need, the first thing i would like us to do is to resolve the issue with the polish ukrainian relations regarding national memory in the european union, and not outside it, i think by and large . we can agree that

the european union is exactly the platform that allows solving these complex problems. i would really not like you and i to be in situations where we would have to make certain decisions as part of our european integration because it always ends badly. i keep telling my polish friends, think that... all this can be reversed after ukraine becomes a member of nato of the european union, and you will have nothing to show for it. on the contrary, it will remain such an insult between the two countries that you forced us to make these decisions that we did not want to make, just because you speculated about our future, our security. but if we go, we lead dialogue in the european union itself, as close countries, as neighbors. countries, then together we create institutions that allow us to come to a joint ukrainian-polish

, that is, i would say, de-escalation of historical tensions, if you will, it would be a very important moment, which would one way or another solve the issue related to , what will look like not only the european integration of ukraine, but the ukrainian future... in the sense of our common interests, so i will immediately say that the situation is related to ukrainian-polish relations, is it so or not otherwise, it will be an important, i would say, part of the whole process of euro-atlantic, european integration, which will continue in the coming years, and it is very important to me that in... society understand that such difficult issues cannot be used as

an element of blackmail, even if you feel some kind of historical rightness, i will not even say now who is right and who is guilty, i generally believe that this story with historical right leads only to the deterioration of relations, as we see with bulgaria of north macedonia, you see the situation here, that in fact now the european union has divided albania and north macedonia. and conducts independent negotiations with albania and does not conduct negotiations with north macedonia, because north macedonia did not reach a historic compromise with bulgaria, but this is wrong, because yes, let's say, now north macedonia and bulgaria will agree on something, north macedonia will leave for some changes, including those of a constitutional nature, and what will happen after the north will macedonia join the european union? who will prevent north macedonia from changing its constitution then, if we want some, you know, houses'. not for these five years, but strategically for a century, then we should

act together, and not one country, taking advantage of the fact that it joined some european or euro-atlantic structures earlier than another, tried to impose its vision on others reality, so in principle it is absolutely clear in my mind. and here i support, by the way, andrzej dud, i support the speaker of the polish parliament szymon main, that the question is not even a question, the question is that we solve our complex problems as members of a common european family, so that there is no such question, and if you do not do what we ask of you, then you do not get what , what we, in principle, should have... done if these circumstances were not there, this is what i think is a very important point,

this is what we should think about, and this is what is part of this history, and i will it is very unfortunate if certain decisions will be made, because we will: you know, if we don't do it, if we don't vote for it, we will have problems with european integration, because it will boomerang in the future on the whole atmosphere of polish-ukrainian relations, and will help the political success of those who will say: you see, our the government went to the computer seat then, and we are already in the european union, vote for us, we will cancel it all, this is how it will be, and what will poland say then, and it will be so, yes, and poland will not say anything even then, yes, well here... you see, it is still imposed on top of the election presidential, in addition to this, but we ourselves must understand that the poles must also understand that elections are elections, elections will take place, unfortunately , even we can see that those things that related to the blocking of the border, they

extremely hit the polish-ukrainian relations about the attitude of ukrainians, as of today. if we are talking about the attitude of ukrainians to poland, to the poles until 2023, and what we have now after this whole array of actions, the poles, it is already different, and we would really not like it, because, well, because, because i, for example, would not like our countries and our people to once again be, to be at odds, because someone has some political ambitions, we have... a short break, after which we will return with one more interesting topic, no switch, the saturday political club continues its work. damn, stepladders, my legs can't walk anymore. wait, i'm choking, what, there is no health? but what kind of health is there in the sixth decade. and i thought so

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front program with taras berezovets every saturday at 21:30 on espresso. saturday political club ater, we are back, and we have one more interesting topic, in particular, it concerns georgia, georgia continues to be stormed, parliamentary elections are approaching there and such completely incomprehensible, but perhaps also understandable, actions of the ruling party georgian dream continue. in particular, in georgia, they are already beginning to fill this register of foreign agents on a large scale, let me remind you that there is a similar register in russia, well, georgia went exactly the same way... in particular, a ukrainian organization was included in this list, it is a youth organization of ukrainians, the president of georgia named the leading

party georgian dream by proxy russia, but lavrov offers georgia reconciliation with the quasi-republics, most likely referring to abkhazia and south ossetia, of course, but he considers them sovereign states that should somehow build their relations with georgia, and russia is ready to help. and when representatives of the georgian dream talk about the restoration of territorial integrity, they immediately receive a rather sharp reaction from russia. it is also necessary to understand that all these conversations about reconciliation, they relate precisely to the situation that is connected with real expectations from the russian leadership. and by the way, mr. vitaly, why do you think these republics have not yet been included in russia, according to the analogy we have. it would probably be much easier for them to do this than in our case, by starting a war with ukraine, well, of course, of course, but just

don't forget that they were already in a slightly different situation then, they didn't want to go like this yet clearly red lines, then with abkhazia it is much more difficult, with south ossetia yes, but in abkhazia there is no consensus on joining in russia, no matter how strange it sounds, abkhazia is even today a more democratic organization than...than russia, so there was ethnic cleansing there, there was the expulsion of the georgian population, i am not even talking about that, but the very society that was established there, it was created there, it is different, you see, than russian, there are people who have different interests, and there is a consensus that they... want to be an independent state, and not a republic within russia, this is also an important point, this time, another is that they try to use this story as a tool for of the entire north caucasus, for now, we don't

know what will happen next, then you don't think that they want to include not abkhazia, southern ossetia, but georgia, all of georgia, into russia, well, taking into account the actions of the georgian dream, then quite that's right, i think that the elections in georgia will show, by the way, if we talk about the latest sociological polls, now the georgian dream is in the lead. however, not with such an advantage as it was in the previous elections, but again you have to look there, if i am not mistaken, there are majority constituencies in georgia, that is, there the 50-50 system is similar to the one we have in ukraine, and for example, in the previous elections , the georgian dream won, precisely because of these, it won on a large scale, not just won on a large scale, precisely because of these majority constituencies, and one more thing, in what... i was just looking at a fairly large study on georgia, on the electoral segment, the most interesting thing is that the electorate is 18-25, and maybe even 28, it

completely supports the opposition, that is, the georgian dream is there, it has simply devastating results, but what senior electorate, i in particular, if we reach the electorate 65+, there support for the georgian dream is at the level of 60%. well, of course it is, because the georgian sea upholds the so-called conservative values, which are more understandable to the, let's say , soviet part of the population, and this is absolutely logical, it seems to me, when we are talking about the former soviet republic, that is why the georgian dream does not exist historical perspective with all these tricks, and that is why they want to create such a society in which there will be no elections, that is their main idea. and why did it start now? happen? look, the georgian dream has been in power for 10 years, even more, 11. the first

10, well, let it not be 10, but 5-7 years, they at least tried to pretend that they were a democratic political force, that they were moving towards nato, towards the european union, but in the last four or five years there, they simply... showed their true face, what happened to them, why exactly this face had to be shown to them now, is it theirs, well, let it sound a little cynical, russian curators, yes, you don't think it's fear, or it is the fear of being occupied, yes, and the desire to negotiate with moscow, to continue to rule georgia on the terms that can be reached through such agreements with russia. they don't understand how it will end, and why everyone should understand everything, again, i want you, i want you back to ukraine in 2019-2022, why are you throwing stones at georgians, and well...

why do you think that bidzina ivanishvili is just some kind of plotarch, he is a rather primitive limited person, well, you see it, who previously believed that in order to maintain power and financial flow, he needed to express democratic ideas, to fight against the position of the values ​​of europe and euro-atlantic integration, do you remember, ministers, deputies from the georgian dream always came, absolutely euro-integrators, huh, and then you... that for them it means nothing, it surprised me that the same people who argued that no, we, you understand, you are fighting with the party of mikheil saakashvili, because mikheil saakashvili is an authoritarian ruler, and this is the only thing that divides us, because we actually want a real europe, a real participation in nato, well, this is such a system of evidence, it can work, and then it turns out that the law is about agents, and this

law is about propaganda. well, lgbt, it ’s all written off from russia, yes, it all shows that they want to create a society that will be completely like this, i would say, not even pro-russian, which guarantees them the preservation of power, you understand that in in russia, too, young people are completely unenthusiastic about the laws on innoagents or about the ban on some kind of propaganda, these are also people who watch some netflix, who live in a completely different value world, but they no longer have... any opportunities to influence the situation in their own country, their country is ruled by mastodons, and they simply imposed a regime on them, and it is absolutely obvious that these mastodons are also able to understand that if they will let go of power, they will lose in the competition, well, so will ivanishvili, he and he have putin's logic, and i don't see anything strange in this, in your opinion, what will be

the result of the elections in georgia anyway? the victory of the georgian dream, i think that the victory of the georgian dream is completely realistic, but the opposition can also win, the question is how they will count, how they will defend the result, and this is a very important moment, because in fact there may simply be a sharp destabilization of the situation after the parliamentary elections, this is also absolutely clear, this can also happen, a revolutionary process, a revolutionary process it can be, and there can be a process of repression against society, let's see who is stronger, you understand, always in such a story it is important to understand the effectiveness of the power apparatus. that's what i am, to what extent the power apparatus is able to resist society, as we saw it in in belarus, in russia, and in ukraine, the power apparatus turned out to be not very effective, that is why we live in the country in which we live, they live in the countries in which they live, but georgia will now pass just such a test. georgia and not only georgia, including moldova will also observe the elections in this country, and i think we will talk about this in our next program, because

events are developing there as well. if it is less dramatic, it is at least no less interesting and no less important for security, including that of ukraine. sabbatical political club is coming to an end, thanks to vitaly portnikov andrii smoliyuk. we will meet with you in exactly a week at this time. thank you, let's hold on and everything will be ukraine. victory and peace to you. different strategies, plans and scenarios, what should we expect, the victory of our state or an armistice, as the destruction of a rare radar station nebom, will change the situation at the front and a fierce year.