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i would like to talk, this is poland, and poland continues to be politically shaken by the so-called volyn issue, this has been repeatedly discussed on the air and on the espresso tv channel, and in ukrainian society, we have been observing for the last weeks, months, the aggravation of this topic in ukrainian-polish relations, and in particular... this week, which we are talking about, the head of the polish institute of national remembrance, they also have such an institute, and i am leading to this, that it has existed for quite a long time, and ukraine itself also created an institute national memory already later, after the revolution of dignity, this institute has been working in poland for many, many years, if i am not mistaken, in the 90s. here, in fact,
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the head of the polish institute of national remembrance called galicia eastern lesser poland, and this caused in ukrainian society, it is clear that another resonance and discussion, including, ukraine is ready to discuss with poland and come to some, at least common questions regarding the solution of these historical troubles, in particular the minister of foreign affairs, mr. sabiga stated that... he is ready to talk with poland about the volyn tragedy, including other statements by representatives of the republic of poland, in particular the ministry of foreign affairs states that the volyn issue will be raised during ukraine's negotiations on joining the european union, well , the minister of defense of the republic of poland also noted here that he says that the state
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will not agree to ukraine's accession to the eu if the volyn issue is not resolved. well, here we actually see another parade of such statements. and by the way, by the way, if we talk so much already and in a very balanced way, the president, the current president of poland, andrzej duda, not this week, but last week, announced that it was not worth it after all. now to raise the topic of the volyn tragedy in the context of ukraine's accession to the european union or nato, and in general not to make it a political issue, but to solve it, conditionally speaking, well, by way of bilateral changes. mr. vitaliy, if we are talking about this, i observe that we believed that when in... in
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poland, the power of law and justice, which essentially ruled the state, will change from 2016 to 2000 203 years or even from the 15th to the 23rd year, yes, a political party that is quite radical, that is a right-wing political force, and... when in fact a year in power there is already a civil position, when there are three the essence of political forces that are considered democratic, so we observe that the situation, well, if not the other way around, then practically the sign is the same, why is this happening now in the polish political system, as it turns out that it would seem that those forces that should not raise, at least ... this is an issue at the level
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of the european union, why are they raising it? i think that this is a political consensus in polish society, which, by the way, was largely created thanks also to the efforts of the right-wing forces, ugh, ugh, because they ensured this consensus, now, as you see, they can talk, you are in vain this, you are speculating on this, as president andrzej duda says, to the prime minister, he says this, but he should focus on the essence of a rather radical electorate, but as i understand, they believe. that they should adjust from the position, but if our government will say that the issue of historical memory should be resolved, we let's say that it is necessary, but in europe it is not necessary to blackmail ukraine, well, it is not only andrzej duda who spoke, the former minister of foreign affairs of poland, i chepotowych wrote an absolutely close article about the fact that it is not necessary to connect the politics of historical memory with the fact , which is happening in polish-ukrainian relations with the european integration of the country.
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so again, i remember very well that when mr. ceputowych was the head of the polish foreign ministry, he was precisely this person who created the situation. in polish-ukrainian relations it's just not very simple, and when he held the position of minister, it somehow did not bother him much, but he is a strong expert, what else is the problem that these people, they are absolutely capable of logical thinking, they understand the essence of the problem, they can come to the right conclusions conclusions, and these conclusions pa'. whether they are correct from an expert point of view, but when it comes to some electoral decisions and the opposition of these political forces, each of them tries to prove that it is not going to abandon this paradigm, which means that we need a dialogue, that is
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realistically speaking, we need a dialogue with poland and we really need, the first thing i would like to er... er we did is to resolve the issue with polish-ukrainian relations, with regard to national memory in the european union, not outside it. i think that by and large we can agree on that. that the european union is exactly the platform that allows solving these complex problems. i would really hate for you and i to be in a situation where we would have to make certain decisions as part of our
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european integration, because it always ends badly, i always say to my polish friends, think that all this can be the other way around. viewed after ukraine becomes a nato member of the european union, and you will have nothing to show for it. on the contrary, it will remain such an insult between the two countries that you forced us to make those decisions that we did not want to make, just because you speculated about our future, our security. but if we go, conduct a dialogue in the european union itself, as close countries, as neighboring countries, then we together we create institutions that allow. for us to come to a joint ukrainian-polish one, i would say a de-escalation of historical tensions, if anything, it would be a very important moment that, one way or another, would resolve the issue related to what will
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look like not only the european integration of ukraine, but the future of ukrainian-polish relations in understanding. here are our common interests, so i will say right away that the situation is related to ukrainian-polish relations, it will somehow be an important, i would say, part of the whole process of euro-atlantic, european integration, which will continue in the coming years, and it is very important to me that polish society understands that it is not possible to use such complex issues as an element of blackmail, even if you feel some kind of historical rightness, i don't even i will now say who is right and who is guilty, i generally believe that this story with historical law leads only to the deterioration of relations, as we see with bulgaria, north
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macedonia, you see what the situation is here, that in fact, the european union has now divided albania and north macedonia and is conducting independent negotiations with albania. and does not negotiate with north macedonia, because north macedonia has not reached a historic compromise with bulgaria, but this is wrong, because yes, let's say, now north macedonia and bulgaria will agree on something, north macedonia will make some changes, in that of a constitutional nature, and what will happen after north macedonia joins the european union? who will interfere with north macedonia then to change our constitution, if we want some, you know, agreements not for these five years, but... for a century, then we have to act together, and not one country taking advantage of the fact that it joined the some european or euro-atlantic structures, others tried to impose their vision of reality, therefore
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, in principle, i have an absolutely clear understanding, and i support here, by the way, andrzej duda. szymon of the polish parliament , the main thing is that the issue is not even about gumming up, the issue is that we solve our complex problems, as members of a common european family, so that there is no such thing. posed a question: and if you don't do what we ask of you, then you don't get what we should have done in principle, if these circumstances were not there, this is what i think is a very important point, that's what we have to think about, and that's what's part of this story, and i'm going to be very sorry if certain decisions are actually made, because we're going to: you know, if we don't, if we're not for it. .. let's vote, we will have problems with european integration, because in the future it will boomerang on the entire
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atmosphere of polish-ukrainian relations and will help the political success of those who will say: you see, our government made compromises then, and we are already in the european union, vote for us, we are it we will cancel everything, that's how it will be, and what poland will say then, and it will be so, and poland won't say anything even then, so you see, it's still imposed, besides... on the presidential elections, besides that, but we ourselves have to understand that and the poles have to understand that elections will be elections, elections will be held, unfortunately, even, even we can see that those things that were related to the blocking of the border, they have had a tremendous impact on polish-ukrainian relations, on the relations of ukrainians, as of today, if we are talking about... the attitude of ukrainians to poland, to poles by 2023, and what we have now after
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this entire array of actions, poles it is already different, and i would really not like that, because, well, because, because i, for example, i would not like our countries, our peoples to be next once there were, there were quarrels, because someone has some political ambitions.
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saturday political club, live ether, we are back, and we have one more interesting topic, in particular, it concerns georgia, it continues to storm, there are approaching parliamentary elections and such completely
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incomprehensible, and perhaps also understandable, actions of the ruling party georgian dream continue, in particular, in georgia they begin to fill this register of foreign agents on a large scale, let me remind you that there is a similar register in russia, well, georgia went exactly the same way, in particular before this a ukrainian organization was also included in the list. it is a youth organization of ukrainians, and the president of georgia called the ruling party georgian dream a proxy of russia, but lavrov offers georgia reconciliation with the quasi -republics, most likely referring to abkhazia and south ossetia, of course, but he considers them sovereign states that somehow have build its relations with georgia, and russia is ready to help, and when representatives of the georgian dream talk about recovery. territorial integrity, they immediately are receiving a rather sharp reaction from russia, it is also necessary to understand that all these talks about
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reconciliation, they relate precisely to that situation, which is connected with real expectations on the part of the russian leadership. and by the way, mr. vitaly, why do you think these republics have not yet been included in russia, according to the analogy we have in ukraine, it would probably be much easier for them to do so. than in our case, having unleashed a war with ukraine, well, of course, of course, but just don't forget that they were already in a somewhat different situation then, they still they did not want to go... there are clearly red lines, then with abkhazia it is much more difficult, with south ossetia yes, but in abkhazia there is no consensus on joining russia, no matter how strange it sounds, abkhazia is even today a more democratic organization than abkhazia society than the russian one, so there was ethnic cleansing, there was the expulsion of the georgian population, i'm not even
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talking about that, but the very society that er...er settled there, it was created there, it's different, you understand, than russian, there are people who have different interests, and there is a consensus, that they want to be an independent state, and not a republic within russia, this is also an important point, this is one thing, another thing is that they are trying to use this history as a tool for the entire north caucasus, so far, we don't know what will happen next , then you don't think they want to include at all. to russia, not abkhazia, southern russia, these but georgia, all of georgia, well, considering the actions of the georgian dream, it is quite true, i think that the elections in georgia will show, by the way, if we talk about the latest sociological polls, then now the georgian dream is leading, but not with such an advantage as it was in the previous elections, but again, you have to look there, if i'm not mistaken, there are majority constituencies in georgia, that is, there is
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a 50-50 system similar to ours in ukraine, and for example , at the previous ones... it was precisely because of these that the georgian dream won, it won on a large scale, it did not just win, on a large scale, precisely because of these majority constituencies, and one more thing, yesterday i just watched a rather large study on georgia, by electoral electoral division , the most interesting thing is that the electorate is 18-25, and maybe even 28, he fully supports the opposition. that is, the georgian dream there, it has simply devastating results, but the older the electorate, and in particular, if we reach the electorate of 65 plus, there support for the georgian dream is at the level of 60%. well, of course, this is so, because the georgian navy upholds the so-called conservative values, which are more understandable to, let's say, the soviet part
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of the population, and this is absolutely logical, it seems to me that when my... who won't have elections, that's their main idea , and why now? began to happen, look, the georgian dream has been in power for 10 years, even more, 11, the first 10, well, well, let it not be 10, but 5-7 years, they at least had to pretend that they were a democratic political force, that they are moving towards nato, towards the european union, but in the last four or five years there, they simply showed their true face, what happened to them, why did they have to show this particular face, now, is it theirs, well, let it be
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it will sound a little cynical, the curators are russian. you don't think it's fear or it the fear of being occupied, yes, and the desire to agree with moscow to continue to rule georgia on the conditions that can be reached with such agreements with russia, and they do not understand how it will end, and why everyone should understand everything, again, i want you i want to return you to ukraine in 2019-2022, why do you throw stones at georgians, but i am silent, i am silent, and why do you think that bidzina ivannishvili? this is just some kind of plotarch, this is a rather primitive limited person, well, you see it, who previously believed that in order to obtain power and financial flow, he it is necessary to express democratic ideas, to fight against the position in the background, for the values ​​of europe and euro-atlantic integration, if you remember, ministers, deputies from the georgian dream always came, absolutely
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euro-integrators, ugh, and then it turned out that it meant nothing to them, it surprised me that these same... people who proved that no, we, you understand, you are fighting with the party of mikheil saakashvili, because mikheil saakashvili is an authoritarian ruler, and we only have this dividing, because we actually want a real europe, real participation in nato, well, it's such a system of evidence, it can work, and then it turns out that the law on inergents, and this law on propaganda, well, lgbt, it's all written off from russia, that 's all. indicates that they want to create a society that will be completely so, i would say, not even pro-russian, that will guarantee them the preservation of power, you understand that in russia the same... the same young people are absolutely without any enthusiasm for the laws on innoagents or about the banning of some kind of propaganda, these are also people who watch something there is netflix, who live in a completely different
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value world, but they no longer have any opportunities to influence the situation in their own country, their country is ruled by mastodons, and they simply imposed a regime on them, and it is absolutely obvious that these mastodons are also able to understand that if they let go of power. they will lose in the competition, well, so will ivanishvili, he has putin's logic, and i don't see anything strange in this, your opinion, what will be the result of the elections in georgia, the victory of the georgian dream, i think that the victory of the georgian dream is absolutely realistic, but the opposition can also win, the question is how to count, how to defend the result, and this is a very important point, because in fact there may simply be a sharp destabilization of the situation after the parliamentary elections, it is absolutely clear, this can also happen , a revolutionary process, a revolutionary process can be, and there can be a process of repression against society, let's see who is stronger, you understand, always in such a story it is important to understand the effectiveness
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of the power apparatus, that's what i am, to what extent the power apparatus is capable of resisting society, as we have seen in belarus, in russia, in ukraine, the power apparatus was not very effective, that is why we live in the country in which we live, they live in the countries in which they live, that is georgia now will pass just such a test. georgia and not only georgia, including moldova, we will also be watching the elections in this country, and i think we will talk about this in our next program, because the events there are also developing, if less dramatically, then at least no less interesting and no less important for security, including that of ukraine. the saturday political club is coming to an end, thanks to vitaly portnyk, thanks to andrii smeliyuk, and we will meet you in exactly a week at this time, thank you, hold on and everything will be ukraine, victory and peace to you,
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glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, on the air of the tv channel, studio zahid program,
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we will analyze the most important events of this week. once again found itself on the threshold of the third world war, in particular, today we will talk about the iranian-israeli conflict and the corresponding consequences, in particular for the security of ukraine, because the enemy of our enemy is our friend. in addition, we will also discuss the extremely difficult story with abramovich's mission, how it can affect the consciousness of representatives of certain western elites, of course, we will talk about what is called president zelensky's victory plan, and how washington is reacting to it and what specific steps our american partners will take, in addition to this, today we will also talk about an extremely important issue for polish-ukrainian relations, the issue of exhumation in volyn. today's guests of zahid studio are mark feigin and lukasz adamskyi. now the espresso tv channel will host a figure of the russian opposition in emigration, a former member of the state duma, and a well-known video blogger, mark feigin. glory to ukraine, mark, glad to see and hear. to the heroes
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glory. well, mark, you know, our tireless doomsday clock shows the beginning of armageddon or the apocalypse without a single minute, and the events in the middle east have shown how serious everything is. at the same time, we understand that the united states has intervened extremely powerfully in the situation with the containment of iran, yes, well, they have deployed at least their air defense systems on their aircraft carrier group. yes, iran is thinking now, but here i wanted to talk not so much about iran or the united states, but about the situation, how it can affect on the ukrainian-russian war, we understand that on the one hand iran is an ally of russia, it supplies it with ballistic missiles, on the other hand we understand that the state of israel has extremely tense relations with iran, but on the other hand it is quite calm.

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