this is iran, let's imagine that the islamist regime in iran, this islamic steocracy is destroyed, that a democratic state appears there, this state will not support israel in the palestinian issue, it will demand the creation of a palestinian state, but it will not give money to radicals palestinian group, and it will not try to destroy lebanese statehood, as iran is doing now, because in fact we understand that lebanon is a state that does not function precisely because of. efforts of iran and its proxy forces on the territory of lebanon, we we just have to explain to the audience that lebanon is a multinational state, there are many christians, and sunnis, er, er, friends, and in fact these people are completely hostages of the shia community, which is not the majority, which is 25-30% there population, and these people do not allow him to elect a president, do not allow him to form. government, they are not calling bombs

and rockets on their heads, they are at war with israel, their army is larger than the army of lebanon, which is not at war with israel, this is the reality, so of course if you deprive these people of money, but not only walkie-talkies and pagers, then in principle you create a certain basis for the absence of armed radicalism. funded, but you still don't solve the problems. you need several generations of palestinian arabs to grow up to say, we're not going to get this by force, we have to accept that a jewish state will exist, we have to somehow create a state where we still are with a capital there in ramallah or there in gaza, and to develop this state, we do not like that jews live in tel aviv, haifa, jerusalem, don't like it, but we didn't do anything about it.

we cannot, and we must, and we do not have the money to receive all this, and this is a question of 25, 30, 40 years after the disappearance of the source of funding, the same applies to the russian-ukrainian war, we need generations of non-people to appear , who will say: oh, you know, we understood that ukraine is not russia, such people will not appear, but it is necessary that some generations of people appear who will say, we cannot conquer this territory, this is historical russia, yes... kyiv, kharkiv, odessa and even lviv, nukhai, these are russian cities, so russians live there who do not even understand that they are russians. so, instead of speaking the beautiful, pure russian language of pushkin and putin, these people speak the slang of their peasant poets. terrible, but we can't do anything, because if we try to restore historical justice, and they are in nato, there will be a third world war and... moscow will be left with the

same thing as from this missile test from armata. well, unpleasant. and so we will live next to them. they will think, maybe someday the situation will change, and they will still kill us, and we will know that they do not have such opportunities. all! this is the real way out for ukrainians and jews in the 21st century. i don't know what will happen in the 22nd. i can't predict that long. but for the 21st century, these are these... two peoples, i promise just coexistence with their neighbors, who will slowly get used to the idea that they cannot kill them at night, such is the fate, different peoples have different fates, well , ukrainians and jews have such, jews are not used to it, so i am completely calm about it behave, ukrainians in such a situation, in principle, think that they were not there, although during the famine they were, they were, they simply did not have, there was no awareness of such a fate, it seems to me that there were already at least several hundred, well that is... the simple question is that

this historical memory was stolen from us, by the same holodomors and all, i mean not from the point of view of facts, but from the point of view of self-awareness, yes, yes, yes, well, now it is born , ukrainian self-awareness, with which, let's say, jews have lived there since time immemorial the uprising of barkogba and this, why the jews , the main myth, which is very jewish and is not shared by other peoples who do not perceive the jews in this way, is the myth of the fortress of masada, which was stormed by the romans. all its defenders committed suicide in order not to fall into the hands of the thieves, this is the main jewish national myth, and not at all the myth about how we created the theory of relativity there, or how we created a wonderful bank there, that's all well and good, but this not an achievement, but the main thing is the mossad, every person who is there in israel and has some the jewish national consciousness, she goes there... like to jerusalem to see this

place of national self-sacrifice, well, ukrainians, now many such mythological things are already appearing, you see, because when the people feel threatened, they begin to live in the atmosphere of these. .. so it becomes a nation of warriors who understand that they, what they sacrifice for the sake of freedom, if we go back to the current situation, israel is essentially preparing for some kind of answer, what answer it is, no one knows, does not know, except israel itself, except military and political leadership. in your opinion, which answer would be the most optimal? from the point of view of and and, as they say, not to fall out with the united states of america, and to conventionally speaking, well, respond, because israel cannot but respond to what happened, well, israel can think that in principle it is able to

the destruction of hezbollah itself, and that he should now be engaged in the destruction of hezbollah, and by the way, in recent months israel has achieved the destruction of hezbollah, such results. x hezbollah has such opportunities that hamas never had, and this, and this is the main tool of iran in the middle east, if only because hezbollah really controls the entire state, that hamas is an army of suicide bombers for iran, and hezbollah is a political infrastructure, this is very serious, so what is the result? as a result, almost the entire military leadership of hezbollah is destroyed and political, here is the latest news that after hassan nasrallah was destroyed, a new israeli strike could lead to the death of hachem

sofieddin, the head of the executive committee of hezbollah, and it was learned today. the person who was considered to be the real heir to hassan nasrallah in the... situation that arose after he was eliminated, and by the way, you see hezbollah was very careful after the death of nasrallah, because they understood that this was not the end of the story, that it's not about nastral, about the destruction of hezbollah as such, and they didn't fail the funeral for the arrows, they were afraid to even bury him solemnly, because they believed that if they hold a funeral, then the people who will be participants in this funeral will become targets for. .. of the israeli special services, after that they, as you and i understand, er, we conspired even more seriously, and judging by the latest information, israel was able to hit hachem

safeidin when this head of the hezbollah executive committee was holding a meeting with the leadership that remained, and maybe not only he died , but still. many leading representatives of this terrorist organization, this is also absolutely real, it can be so, and in principle i think that the situation here is absolutely realistic, that he died, it means that israel continues to destroy this organization, all this the story of pagers with walkie-talkies, it also led to the fact that a huge number of hezbollah fighters. to spite, well, that is, in fact, what does israel need? israel needs lebanon to regain its state structures and cease to be a territory for hezbollah's experiments with the destruction of israel. now, in principle, if hezbollah ceases

to be such a driving force, there are real opportunities to elect a new president of lebanon. you know that the president has been gone for more than 600 days, and the government that is... now speaking on behalf of lebanon is such a temporary government, there is no legitimate government with real powers. so what does this mean in practice? in practice, this means that israel can continue to act in this direction in order to restore legitimacy to the lebanese state, to restore the ability of the lebanese armed forces to prove that iran will no longer carry out its activities in lebanon. it can be one strike, it can be a strike on some military, but not nuclear facilities of the islamic republic, that is, nuclear facilities are still excluded, i do not exclude, i understand i'm thinking about how i would act, but i'm not stupid, there we were talking not only

about nuclear facilities, including gas and oil facilities, gas and oil facilities were also theoretically considered by israel. as possible for and, well, approximately, as we hit russian oil depots, so as to deprive them of a resource, uh, because by and large their main resource is oil, and by the way, precisely thanks to this... resource, they survive under western sanctions, by the way, who buys their oil? china, ugh, china, of course, china buys 90% of iranian oil, but if we this will fit, then what is china's position in this case? well, china, china supports iran and supports russia, what is the position, if it buys cheap oil from them, who does it support? do you understand a simple thing, if iran and russia could not sell oil to china, russia? before india, there was no war in the middle east and there was no war in ukraine,

the real beneficiary of this war is the people's republic of china, because war needs money in any case, you know, if you are under sanctions, in you there is less money, if no one buys your oil, you have no money at all, at one time saddam hussein, who was not bought oil, agreed to the program. oil in exchange for food, there was such a program of the united nations organization in relation to iran, to iraq, and with iran everything is completely different, because iran began to be under sanctions just when there were real opportunities for another economy, the economy of the global south, it served the interests of dictatorships, that is why i say that we are in a rather such a strange situation that on the one hand is civilized. the world would like to stop the conflict in the middle east because it is clearly threatening it, the civilized world would like to

stop the war in ukraine because this war threatens the security of europe, first of all, the civilized world is introducing sanctions against iran and against russia to force them to stop the war and deprive them of a resource for war. the civilized world continues fruitful economic cooperation with china, but luckily now it has at least made these tariffs against chinese electric cars, and this... and this cooperation enriches china and develops its economy. china is absolutely not going to reckon with any values ​​of the civilized world and buys cheap oil from those countries against which the united states and european countries are imposing sanctions. these countries can survive in the sanctions regime and continue wars in ukraine and the middle east. what to do at all? what to do? it's a vicious circle. well, that's it. at the same time, of course, you can blame israel later. the thing about ukraine is that they somehow don't really want peace, they need some kind of peace found some compromises with those who

can actually continue the war thanks to this economic carousel. well, it is immoral, and again, what is the way out of the situation, we understand, either we still force the countries of the global south to adhere to common values, or we have to tell ourselves that we will lose any conflict, we cannot win . we can only stop it there for a certain moment by force, the last question is probably whether the possible answer will be followed by an iranian strike, there the iranians say that if israel gives response, then their strike will be even more powerful, well, of course, it can be, rather threats, but still, can we consider that ... such mutual strikes, they will continue, of course, because with

the strikes of iran - it's like with putin's strikes, the very idea that if you strike iran, you provoke it to strike again, it's a very strange idea in general, iran has its own political program, this program is called the destruction of the jewish state in the middle east, as in russia has its own political program, called the destruction of the ukrainian state. vladimir putin, as you know, never hid. about his decision, his determination to destroy the ukrainian state, not only putin, medvedev wrote about it, so did all these russian leaders, they always talked about it, absolutely openly, without hiding from anyone, explaining what their program was. iranians have been saying this since the islamic revolution, that's how this theocratic regime, led first by alatial khamenei and then by ayatollah khamenei, won, well they are achieving their goals, they can wait for years, remember that there was a fatwa, but... a tirade against the famous writer salman rushdie, whom he accused for completely incomprehensible reasons of

slandering islam and issued a fatwa about its destruction, and salman rushdie hid for many years, beat under the protection of the intelligence services, the ayatala had already died khomeini, it was not clear whether the fatwa of the ayatollah was confirmed or not, it was a long story, in the end someone came together, hit him. the writer lost an eye, fortunately he did not die, but several decades have passed since the sentence passed by seyet allah omini, so you need to understand that if you relax with such people. they will kill you, they will not teach you morals, they will kill you, so everything is absolutely obvious here, there is this program that there should be no israel, ayatala khomeini always said this, ayatala khameneni is saying this, all iranian presidents, both conservatives and liberals, have said that this masoud pizishkiyan, who is called a representative of the liberal kil, who won

the election against the will of the islamic revolutionary guard corps, which is in difficult relations with the conservative part of the islamic spirit. hovenstva, what, does he have any other position in relation to israel? he does not, he has a different position, that it is necessary to co-exist with the united states, he has it, it is possible to have different positions, and in relation to israel, if you want to be part of this gang, you cannot take any other position. so, they will strike israel not when israel strikes them, but when they decide that they should strike, it's like the russian-ukrainian conflict. by war that is, if they think that they have enough rockets, that they have enough forces, that they need such and such targets, i want to assure you that they will find a reason, it can be any anniversary of some israeli strike, the anniversary of some there are stories with the gas sector, the anniversary of that, and

authoritarian ideologies, they can strike on holidays simply in honor of some holiday. well, as we speak now, it's vladimir putin's birthday, there may be a massive attack on russia, why are we saying that, because we hit him with something, did something to him? no, we are we understand that they think so, if there are forces to strike, they can simply connect it with some important date for them, as a demonstration of their own state efficiency, so i do not think at all that any israeli prime minister , when he decides the need to strike at... or any other hostile state that wants to destroy israel, that he should think about the fact that there will be a retaliatory strike, there will still be a strike, it must be clearly understood, another topic, about which i would like to talk about is poland, and poland further on is politically shaking around the so-called volyn issue, and this was repeatedly

discussed on the airwaves and on the espresso tv channel and... in ukrainian society, we have been observing for the last weeks, months, the aggravation of this topic in ukrainian-polish relations, and in particular in the current week, which we say, the head of the polish institute of national remembrance, they also have such an institute, well, it's more so in ours, and i'm leading to this, that it has existed for quite a long time and... actually ukraine also created an institute of national memory already later, after the revolution of dignity, this institute has been working in poland for many, many years, if i am not mistaken, in the 90s. in fact, the head of the polish institute of national remembrance called halychyna eastern lesser poland, and this caused

, of course, another resonance and discussion in ukrainian society, including ukraine. is ready to discuss with poland and come to some, at least common, issue regarding the solution of these historical troubles, in particular the minister of foreign affairs, mr. sabiga stated that ukraine is ready to talk with poland about the volyn tragedy, including other statements by representatives of the republic of poland, in particular the ministry of foreign affairs states that the issue... will be raised during ukraine's negotiations on joining the european union, well , the minister of defense of the republic of poland also noted here that the state will not agree to ukraine's accession to the eu if the volyn issue is not resolved. well, here we

are actually seeing another parade of such statements, and by the way, by the way, speaking... already very, very balanced, the president, the current president of poland, andrzej duda, not this week, but last week, stated that it is not necessary to raise the topic of the volyn tragedy in the context of ukraine's accession to the european union or nato. and in general not to make it a political issue, but to solve it, conditionally speaking, well... in this way of bilateral changes. mr. vitaly, if we are talking about this, i can see what we thought. that when there is a change of power in poland due to law and justice, which basically ruled the state from 2016 to

2000, or even from 15 to 23, so a political party that is quite radical, that is a right-wing political force. there are essentially three political forces that are considered democratic, yes, we observe that the situation, well, if not the other way around, then practically the sign is the same, why is this happening now in the polish political system, how it turns out that it would seem that those forces that did not have ... to raise, at least this question at the level of the european union, why they raise it, i think it's a political consensus in polish society, which, by the way, was largely created, thanks

also to the efforts of the right-wing forces, ugh, ugh, because they secured this consensus, now, as you can see, they can to speak, you are speculating on this for nothing, as president andrzej duda, prime minister, says, and why does he say this, he has to focus on the essence of a rather radical electorate. as i understand, they believe that they should adjust from the position, that is, if our government will say that it is necessary to solve the issue of historical memory, we will say that it is necessary, but in europe it is not necessary to blackmail ukraine, well, it is not only andrzej duda who spoke, the former minister of foreign affairs of poland, jacyk czapotowych wrote an absolutely close article about that there is no need to connect the politics of historical memory with what is happening in polish-ukrainian relations, headed the polish foreign ministry, he was just that person who

created a situation in polish-ukrainian relations that is not very simple, and when he held the position of minister, this somehow did not bother him, but he is a strong expert. what else is the problem that these people, they are absolutely capable of logical thinking, they understand the essence of the problem, they can arrive at the correct conclusions, and these conclusions of mr. chapotovych, they are correct from an expert point of view, but when it comes to some electoral decisions and opposition of these political forces, then each of them is trying to prove that it is not going to abandon this paradigm. this means that we need a dialogue, that is, realistically speaking, we dialogue with poland is needed, and we really need, the first thing i would like us to

do is to resolve the issue with polish-ukrainian relations with... regarding national memory in the european union, not in outside of it. i think that, by and large , we can agree that the european union is exactly the platform that allows solving these complex problems. i would really hate for you and i to be in a situation where we... have to make certain decisions as part of our european integration, because that's always bad ends i always say to my polish friends: think that all this can be

reversed after ukraine becomes a member of nato of the european union, and you will have nothing to show for it. on the contrary, it will remain such an insult between the two countries that you forced us to make those decisions that we did not want to make, only because... that you speculated about our future, our security, but if we go, we conduct a dialogue in the european union itself , as close countries, as neighboring countries, we create together institutions that allow us to come to a common ukrainian-polish, so i would say the easing of historical tensions, if anything, it would be a very important moment, which one way or another would resolve the issue related to how it will look like only the european integration of ukraine, and the future

of ukrainian-polish mutual understanding... this is our common interests, so i will immediately say that the situation is related to ukrainian-polish relations, it will somehow be an important, i would say, part of the whole process of euro-atlantic, european integration, which will continue in the coming years, and it is very important to me that polish society understands that it cannot... use such difficult issues as an element of blackmail, even if you feel some kind of historical rightness, i will not say now who is right and who is guilty, i generally believe that this story with historical law leads only to the deterioration of relations, as we see with bulgaria, north macedonia, you see what the situation is here, that actually now the european union divided albania and north

macedonia and conducts independent. with albania and does not hold negotiations with north macedonia, because north macedonia has not reached a historic compromise with bulgaria, but this is wrong, because yes, let's say, now north macedonia and bulgaria will agree on something, north macedonia will make some changes, including of a constitutional nature, and what will happen after north macedonia joins the european union? who will interfere with north macedonia then to change our constitution if we want some, you know, arrangements not on this and that. 5 years, and strategically for a century, then we should act together, and not one country, taking advantage of the fact that it joined some european or euro-atlantic structures earlier than another, tried to impose its vision of reality on others, so in principle there is i have an absolutely clear understanding, and i am here

to ensure that such a question does not arise, and if you do not do what we ask of you, then you do not get what we, in principle, should do, if not was those circumstances, this is what i think is a very important point, this is what we have to think about, and this is what is part of this whole story, and i will be very sorry if certain decisions will be made, because we will: you know, if we don't do it, if we don't vote for it, we will have problems with european integration, because in the future it will boomerang on the whole atmosphere of polish-ukrainian relations and will help the political success of those who will say: look, our government made

compromises then, and we are already in the european union. vote for us, we will cancel it all, that's how it will be, and what poland will say then, it will be so, yes, and poland won't say anything even then, yes, well here, you see, it's still imposed, in addition to presidential elections, in addition to this, but we ourselves must understand that the poles must also understand that elections are elections, elections will take place, unfortunately, even, even... we see that those things that related to blocking the border, they hit extremely hard on polish-ukrainian relations, on the relationship of ukrainians, as of today, if we are talking about the attitude of ukrainians to poland, to poles by 2023, and what we have now after this whole array of actions, poles, it is already different, and i would really not like that, because

, well, because... because i, for example, i would not like our countries, our peoples to once again be at odds, because someone has some political ambitions. in ukraine, the 14th edition of the news tells about the main things for this hour. thank you for being with us. a family with two children died in a fire in poltava oblast. the tragedy happened at night in the village of slobitka, myrhorod district. notifies regional police, a private house caught fire. after extinguishing the fire, the rescuers discovered