in fact and correctly, i completely agree with him, mykhailo nepran was the first vice-president of the chamber of commerce and industry of ukraine today in our sunday column, well , then the program is about politics, about the world, and we will come back later, stay, then about politics, it is close politicians close to the world, maria gurska, journalist of the ukrainian tv channel espresso and eu sisters portal, and pavel koval, head of the committee on foreign affairs of the polish diet. chairman of the council on cooperation with ukraine, i congratulate you, good day, and let's start with the most important ones, let's start with the most important world news this week: polish lot has stopped flights over iran, and ukrainian low-cost airline skyap is helping to evacuate people to poland from lebanon. iran's attack on israel this week shocked the world. we are seeing the beginning of a major conflict in the middle east. what do you think about...

some time ago, two years ago, it was said that the war in the middle east would be a kind of complement to the war in ukraine, which is being waged by russia, and that over time the focus might even shift to the middle east, and indeed. in recent days we we are observing this, plus the issue of iran is added to this. iran is an ally of russia in the same axis of evil. we remember that iran plays an important role here, because it sponsors terrorist organizations, it sponsors the kgb. what israel is doing is related to the iranian threat. we see

turkish president recep tayyip erdogan speaking in parliament saying that turkey could be israel's next victim. when such words are heard, we see that the number of possible participants in this conflict increases, will it develop into a major war, and what do you think the opinion may be the opposing sides, how may the events look in the near future? erdogan is well aware of this, but he carries out his policy and specifically incites to get a specific reaction. turkey is not going to be a target for israel, and let me say something that not everyone is saying outright, but the fact is that hamas and hezbollah have gained enormous influence in the middle east.

and note that many countries in the arab world are silent because officially they cannot and do not side with israel, but in reality they are holding their fists so that the hamas and hezbollah was resolved because for the serious countries of the persian gulf, the situation with such powerful terrorist organizations was intolerable, so this picture is much more complicated than it seems at first glance, but one thing can be said for sure: the new stage of the war in the middle east is very damaging to the west in the sense that the west will also have to focus on the situation in the middle east, it is also clear that some of israel's military actions will be criticized they will be this happens because netanyahu

is constantly criticized for his policies, but israel is ultimately, let's not forget this, an ally of the west in the middle east and especially in its region. what's next with the conflict, what to expect? it's hard to believe, but next week marks one year since terrorists attacked israel and took hostages, some of whom have still not returned. home it's been going on for so long and we see that there is no end to this story it's only getting hotter so what's next and what is this means for us, for poland and ukraine? that's right, parenthetically, let's remember that this war started with an attack on israel, and israel must defend itself and must defend itself effectively, and defense is

the most important thing, that is, about security in the central when it comes to what for us in europe, about the interest of the event, the situation in ukraine, about supporting the war, about supporting the production of weapons, these are the topics that are the most important today. the most important our task is to keep the attention of the event on this, so that it is not forgotten. key, of course, there will be elections in the usa. we have a super-election year, and i think we're in a super-election quarter right now, because in addition to the elections in the united states, we have to remember that our region will also have elections in

moldova and important elections in georgia. in this regard, there may be many, many changes in the region, for example, if the pro-russian forces won in moldova, it would be a complete tragedy, because then we would get. a russian aircraft carrier in the middle of central europe and on the borders of ukraine. so ahead in us weeks are full of excitement of political emotions and expectations of what the exit polls will show after the polls close and not only in the united states. what can we do to keep attention on the issues that are important to us, namely the security of poland and the defense of ukraine. in foreign affairs and the head of the council for cooperation with ukraine, meets with western politicians and tries to do everything possible to show them, my dears, do not say that the war in ukraine does not concern you, to the americans and british i say okay, if someone today tries to forget about the issue of

russia's war against ukraine, not to deal with it, then let him take responsibility for the continuation, for example, for the attack on taiwan, because it can happen exactly like this, if we are talking about the middle east today. it is not only about the military actions of the last days, but also about the fact that iran is constantly in the background. when we talk about a russian war against ukraine, we are talking about the possibility of an attack on taiwan as a result. here's what it looks like. today the world connected this has always been the case, and today, even more so, we are dealing with a kind of gospel of evil, which includes iran, russia and north korea. meanwhile, the russian army was occupying. the army occupied the ukrainian city of ughledar. the world media claim that the entry of the russian military into the ugladar was a consequence of the fact that ukraine did not receive timely permission for the full power of strikes with long-range weapons deep into russia. what do you think about it? terenakh in latitude in guemba, russia. ukraine has the right

to defend itself, it has the right to apply weapons i say this to every person i talk to every day. i say this to everyone i talk to. every day, i say it several times at every meeting so that everyone understands well, ukraine has the right to defend itself, ukraine has the right to use the weapons it possesses in accordance with international law. all additional restrictions are a serious error of measure and are immoral. yes, let's emphasize that they are immoral, because they prolong the war. but what do i think about such statements? if someone asked me, i would not advise ukrainian experts to blame the west for everything. it is the west that is a power that really helps. and with which to use other arguments, i think we need to use rational examples that show that additional restrictions on ukraine do not work, that they are a mistake, that they are ineffective and only, only prolong the war, increase the costs, not reduce them. this is the kind of argument that works. i am

against the language of accusations regarding the measure, because the case is complicated in the sense that the measure really helped ukraine, because no country in history, no country in our region received it. such assistance as ukraine, if count proportionally. this, of course, does not mean that this is enough, there must be more. poland is also interested in ukraine protecting its borders. the end of the war must be based on the fact that the borders of ukraine must remain the borders of ukraine, and ukrainians will be able to choose for themselves which international alliance they will belong to. this is quite understandable to me, but at the same time i believe that blaming the west for every failure on the front is still the same... this is the vision of world experts, including the military, who say that ugledar is the result, and ukraine

must have long-range capabilities, otherwise it will continue to lose its territories. as we can see, military experts are already talking about the fact that... the temporary occupation of ugledar is key for the russian army, it can open the way to pokrovsk, it can be a turning point in this war. so that's the point.

to look for ways to mobilize more and more russians into their criminal army of new and new russians into their army of rogues and now it is said that russians who are still waiting for a decision in criminal cases can be mobilized for the war against ukraine, not those who are already in prison, but those who are still awaiting the sentence? in its criminal cases,

everything shows that ukraine is capable of reacting. the raid on kursk, or the occupation of kursk, because the word raid, if it refers to a temporary situation, it has been going on for several weeks, it is important and complies with international law, because ukrainians have the right to defend themselves, this is the correct answer. it is proportionate, does not violate any rules, and this has another side of pressure on putin, because his entourage definitely thinks: hey, why are we can't we for a long time? of course, the russians are insolent in

the sense that they realize that they must first of all focus on the donbass and actually conduct the main operations there, the ukrainians are terribly brave and strong in this matter, they show that they are able to continue the operation near kursk and effectively defend the donbass, even if sometimes there are losses, just remember, this is a war, such realities, today is a loss, tomorrow is a profit, the war does not end.

this means that the case is closer than before, everything looks different during this war, two years ago. it was absolutely impossible, we don't think so, today we are at a different stage, we are already seriously talking about it with you. i recently attended two international conferences, including one in visby on the swedish island of gotland. i cannot say everything, because it was a conference behind closed doors, but the climate was such that this gesture in the form of the opening of nato was seriously discussed, and it will be decisive. many are now talking about ukraine's negotiations with the eu. this is great, but let's remember that the process is the most efficient, consistency can

to be such that the accession to nato can take place earlier. there are fewer sections to negotiate, fewer economic issues and elements in general. poland's position has always been in favor of opening up, expanding and demonstrating confidence in putin. the main thing is to show determination that the west is not afraid. it can be just an invitation, and it can be received already. it can happen. there are no obstacles in the way. usa about the opening of this way, it may happen before the elections, i don't know if it will be so, but the introduction of war is definitely war. first foreign visit. what do you think about comes to kyiv during the war and this is his importance of this step, what did he want to say to him and how important is this signal from the new head of nato? in fact, this is another

declaration. we need a step further, i would say ruud, great, this is important, but we need to talk a little more further, we need to clearly say that nato is open to ukraine, moldova, in the future and georgia, what was omitted, because otherwise you say, what was missed in 2008 in april during the bukhara summit can be addressed, and it should be done immediately. we see how the topic of historical problems, difficult moments of joint polish-ukrainian history has been re-sounded with the new foreign minister.

as for the appointment of andrii sebige, i am personally very happy about it, i know him well, he is a very good politician, he knows poland and central europe well, he speaks polish, which is highly valued by the poles, so i believe that he has a chance to do a lot good in polish-ukrainian relations, especially

because he was very involved in the dialogue in the last year, it was clear that he was trying discuss all, even complex topics. to look for solutions, lately we have been in constant communication, i am happy, i congratulate him, and it is good that i can say this, because i have not had this opportunity until now, from the point of view of historical issues, i think, first of all, we need a big empathy, showing sympathy for each other, i really don't like the phrase: "let's leave history to the historians." history for poles is not one that can be left to historians, because many poles still suffer from the fact that they did not bury their loved ones. 80 years is... enough time to expect the victims to be treated with dignity and buried with dignity. i am koron, who has always been very supportive of polish-ukrainian relations, said that this is a somewhat ancient rule, until you bury the bodies, until the funeral ceremony takes place, there will always be a place for anxiety. therefore, i believe that the issue of exhumation, this is my long-standing opinion, which i have repeatedly

expressed in various forums, should be outside of any discussion or agreement, and it does not matter whether it is about... exhumation of polish or ukrainian victims, because they are the same, simply put, every person has the right to a grave, and there should be no politics here. monuments are a separate issue that also needs to be resolved, only here there is always a little bit of politics, a little bit of discussion, a little bit of politics, but let's definitely not do one, let's show compassion to each other, simply put, the suffering of polish families who have lost a loved one , real, i think we have the right to expect an understanding of this in the polish-ukrainian... i want to thank everyone who shows it, does not get involved in politics and says: ok, i understand, you have a difficult situation, because in reality your loved ones lie somewhere in an unmarked grave, and this can be fixed, to be honest, i have been involved in polish-ukrainian relations for years and i cannot understand one thing, why this simple thing is not it is decided, therefore, first of all, empathy,

secondly, if we talk about history, poles love history, ukrainians also love history, i avoid such a vision without stopping. history, because i see when i go to ukraine, and i am there often, how important history, especially the history of the upa, is for many ukrainians, so we simply have to deal with this history, and not say that it is unimportant, because it is important for poles, important for ukrainians as well. also, every politician is obliged to condemn any actions related to the killing of civilians, just not to say something about history, but for the future, so that it never happens again. i believe that poland and ukraine can afford it today. and in this sense, i am optimistic, because i am convinced, as i communicate with ukrainians, that there is a growing understanding of what is here something needs to be done and the problem needs to be solved, personally, i'm betting on a scenario where we... will see things moving forward in the coming years. i also feel from the side of many ukrainian politicians that sometimes they have not yet expressed this. sometimes they still think about it,

sometimes they don't know how to say it, but they understand that it is important. at the same time, it is necessary to deal with monuments, or to admit that everyone puts up monuments as they want, or when it comes to inscriptions related to history, to find a common language, it is possible, andrzej przewowicz, secretary of the council for the protection of the place of struggle and... does this mean, if i understand correctly, that poland will also take steps to honor and protect from acts of barbarism the burial places of ukrainian soldiers who defended the independence and freedom of their country, just as today our compatriots at the front protect. i don't understand how it is possible that modern people in the 21st century, in a war, in a hyper-strategic situation, still have a problem with allowing

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