the government and the parliament of georgia are acting like this, how, how does the society react? look, i have, here is a simple example, i have two or three native organizations here, natives, they are not registered as film agents, although according to this adopted law, the projects that they lead, they are subject to it, while their they do not touch until they are touched, but this is an element of pressure, they will then be touched selectively or en masse. they will start to impose fiscal pressure there with fines and so on, again, it was not for nothing that i said about the three phases of this situation and protest, when and in what way they will start to do this because they are now the government, for example, creating an atmosphere in georgia with no way out, no way out, that we will always win, no matter what you do, that is, there are different cases, there are opposition strata being monitored, there are different letters , pogro... and so on, while in this phase, that is,

they warn that we know everything, don’t even think about it, in parallel there they are complexing there, or there they are strengthening their nuclear electorate, now two weeks, when there are left, there will be canonical for any similar country, there are processes, bribery, write-offs loans, the distribution there may not be potatoes in baskets, but some kind of monetary rewards, that is, the budgetary sphere will be intimidated. kratia, which is not, it is quite powerful in georgia, well, it is powerful quantitatively, even for 3.5 million someone has to work, that is, this atmosphere, this basic electorate for the government, it, it will be encapsulated, and they have a nuclear electorate, well, the most important moment, the most important, unlike the opposition, which repeats, the authorities managed to fix the paradigm not without the help of pro-moscow or moscow political technologists that they made the format of a plebiscite, or we remain in... in power or

war, that is, you understand, the paradigm is broken, you go to europe or to the soviet union again to russia, they are like that here in the ukrainian word, the words meanness or nonsense, even, they hung posters with the destroyed cities of ukraine, as a political campaign, next to the prosperous cities of georgia, there are people or people under the bridge and so on against the background of the bridges built by the chinese there over the rock pass or. that we have mass media to whom these words are not in ukrainian, but to speak georgian, there are channels, there are newspapers, there is the internet, and those who can, such a game, such a georgian paradox, russian crowbars, leaders. what opinions in the form of social networks,

television channels, various platforms, the press and so on, they are absolutely pro-ukrainian and oppositional, except for a few, the whole point is that everything i have now expressed, believe me, in the georgian media, in the georgian public , this is also me, i personally spoke softly, there they reacted quite harshly to it and even according to certain information in in the cells of those who are pro-government in georgian dreams, well... more or less, i don't know what to call, conscious people, there were discussions that said that we already lost a little with this case, we lost a little, and there, well, different information, it is unproven, at least, but believe me, because it lowered their rating, or stopped the rating at certain percentages, that is, it did not add anything, that is, the horrors that they spread around the ukrainian scenario, no one there says that it is thanks to ukraine itself and holds on.

different cells on the post-soviet map space, all this is not there, that is, absolutely sowing the horrors of war, see what can be, and unfortunately, it works, unfortunately, it works in a natural way, i already said that people are really afraid of war, two words about the opposition, but opposition forces, well, the real threat from the russian federation, it physically exists, none of the political opposition forces of georgia say what they will do on this track if they get power one way or another. in that one, of course, we rejected it, in the others because of a protest, how will they protest, well, the authorities send signals that moscow is playing along with her in this regard, which even i have already said, these theses are all public, that if i do not know there, there will be a revolutionary scenario, there will be forces, a global war party, this is the main meme, it is heard from every iron, where , this is a global party of war,

soldiers to georgia, if it starts, and i have already said, he now lives in the paradigm that this will not be needed, this will not be needed, but here is a paradoxical situation, that he may not be asked. you see, there is such a thing here too, but putin himself will take it and lead it, well, putin, look, in moscow, right there, you see, they started this whole thing, here is their latest meme, here i am just a direct quote, it says, from the authorities, don't worry, there will be two elections, the first one is in georgia on october 26, and the second one is on november 5 in washington, for them , the biden charisma was a little bit of a game breaker, because... because before it they were convinced that trump was winning, and now they are not so convinced, well, like all of us, that's all, then they draw a frame, don't worry , there by the spring of the 25th year, the war in ukraine will end, they say so directly, the war will end in to ukraine, and we will shift

relations with washington and the european union into a constructive direction, i.e., the framework, the framework of alternative scenarios for what i just... outlined, does not exist in their heads, this is how i see the situation, further they will prepare, as i say now, the opposition, they will prepare for the fact, they are convinced that their power apparatus, the system of special services, well, that is, the political field has been scaled, there is personal, let's say this, loyalty is at the highest level in georgia to the master of the country, i.e. they try to resist, and they i am convinced that they will succeed, thank you very much from... tbilisi, mr. volodymyr kopchak, head of the south caucasus fi, the caucasian branch of the army, conversion and disarmament research center. we didn't talk today, neither about the army, nor about conversion, we talked a little russian about the army, we didn't talk about conversion, and we didn't talk about disarmament either,

but now we have a rather exotic person, at least exotic for me, for the first time in my life i will talk to an investor, an entrepreneur, a philanthropist, a businessman, and... first of all, konstantin is alive, i see him now on the screen, good health, mr. konstantin, thank you for finding time for us, i actually have, thank you, good evening, congratulations, good health, yes, i actually have three questions, and the first question is very simple and difficult at the same time, and maybe even only two are needed: the committee on finance, tax and customs policy, they say, tells us all that we need to raise... taxes, we need to raise taxes, we discuss here from time to time with other experts, i always i ask like this, and i will ask you a question like this, tax administration or increase, because critics always say that if you properly

administer and collect all the taxes that can be collected, you don't need to increase them, instead the government says: no, no, no, you need to increase and improve a... administration, what do you say , mr. kostiant? thank you, mr. mykola, i want to ask you the following question: tell me, please, do you pay a tax in ukraine, say 20%, 25, 30, different, at different rates, for different economic activities there, or on real estate there, for that, for another, for five ten, our largest donors, the countries of the european community and the united states, pay taxes one and a half times, at least you. moreover, despite everything, they give us money last year, that year, 42 billion dollars only in money, only in the budget, this is not military aid, this is not equipment, this is not military weapons, this year 38 billion, next year we say that we 37 billion is needed, well tell me please, you are just

humane, you think that it is fair in the eyes of the taxpayers, let's say in the netherlands or in germany or in the united states that they they pay more... money to their budgets and they finance us, and we pay less and say, please give us money, this is fair, my dear, no, i think it's not fair, i think, but that's why, yes, yes , please, please, yes, please, so and so, that's not fair, i'm very grateful that we 're careful about what's fair and what's not fair, and in this situation we say, yes, we, unfortunately, these were unable during the 30 years of independence, thanks to, forgive me, half incompetent, half stupid fools, the leaders of the state, who simply did not build an army, did not build their security, did not build any safeguards so that this russia would be able to do this 30 years after, or there 31 years after

ukraine gained independence in 1991, but today, if we are already drunk on this of blood, of this grief, we have only lost territory, well, we... must at least start to behave honestly, and the most important thing is to be honest, that something needs to be changed for the better, or can we once again bury our heads in the sand like ostriches and say: and it happened to someone else. it's a war there palestine goes either to ethiopia, there is nothing like that in ukraine and it never will be, well, where else? do you think it is possible to wage war and carry out the kind of fundamental reforms that you just mentioned, because these are fundamental reforms, to put things in order in general financially, to the financial system in ukraine, well, it really hasn't been possible for 30 years, here i am arguing with... . i won't, but it is possible for it to work normally. mykola, this has always been the case in history,

this is how it worked in all countries of the world. any country that has been at war for 300 years, 500 years so, 1000 years ago, well look at great britain, it's an empire, it fought for a thousand years, and for a thousand years it fought and improved its financial reporting, its financial administration, it improved all its practices, all its systems, because it understood, what if you don't do that... and it was during the war and even the second world war now that they, excuse me, have grown very much their debt to the woolonotic product, it was the highest, almost not the highest in '45, if compare in proportion to what we have after 45 years until today, it's all the time any responsible countries, they did it, and they, countries like britain, they never once in their history entered into default, that is, they never once restructured, how we restructured, i don't know... several times, they never once said that we will not return the money that we took from investors

or those who hold our government bonds, that is, our debt obligations are government, that is it's time to do it in peacetime too, excuse me while i'm hungry fixing mine financial system, and the most important thing is to do it opportunistically and in wartime, we have to do it, otherwise, if we don't do it, the country will not survive, it will not survive as a sovereign, it will simply... disappear and be another country, such it was all the time throughout history, as long as wars have been going on, and wars have been going on for 600 years, as far as we remember from the history of ancient egypt, that's how it was for all 600 years and it will be like this and now, imagine that the government listened to mr. kostiantyn zhivaa and began to make reforms, what are the consequences of this reform for the country, because it is obvious that the beginning of... reforms always complicates the situation, then in two months, in three months, in six months, in a year there is improvement, and

when we carry out the reform now, well, that, well, that would be, somewhere, somewhere more problems will arise in addition to those who have for, who have now ukraine, what will be the consequences, mykola, yes, mykola, yes, we have to wedge ourselves in the legs today, what are we doing, we are wedged in the legs of our partners, who in such a difficult time did not turn away from us, they give us money. they give us military equipment, they give us the possibility of this transit period when we are at war and when we are defending ourselves against aggression, to survive, but we have to do our homework, and in this situation i would like to say exactly what churchill said when the second world war began, he said to all his residents of great britain: "i can only promise you blood and sweat, hard work, perseverance, which after that will lead us to the fact that we will win, so in this situation." and today ukrainians must understand and the government and state leaders must tell ukrainians

there is only one thing that we can, if you want to survive, remain ukrainians and live on your land, and not in emigration, then we can promise you only one thing: blood and sweat. one more question, which is very strange to me: the cabinet of ministers approved the signing of two special investment agreements within the framework of the program there, no one will understand anything, what struck me is that... one investment program is bukovel, and the second is shrab, i'm not an agricultural person, somewhere we need to build a big factory that will make protein, and actually feed animals with this protein, and then the animals become fat, they can then be eaten or sold and so on, but during the war more, more more protein, more protein, that is, more opportunity, but here i somehow later i read that in argentina it is ... in general very popular, because they have a certain part of the national income there, just because of this

shrab, i don't remember what it's called, but bukovel just killed me, i don't know what you say, the country is at war, the country has problems, i don't know , who, who goes to that bukovel, what do these people look like, who, for example, in in december of this year, when it starts snowing in the carpathians, they will go to bukovel and spend there... a lot of money on champagne, instead of spending it on the front, on aid, on that, on the fifth, on the tenth, and here the state he says, come on, let's help investments in... bukovel is beautiful with your money, your money, instead of buying with this money, excuse me, military equipment, honestly send it to the front, and today we will spend there 100 million hryvnias on that to bring some infrastructure for some there, i'm sorry bukovele entertainment center, well , it's a mess, otherwise i can't say anything, but i don't understand why the government is even

talking about this, why it's doing this, it's definitely, well, during the war, it's impossible to do this, i want to tell you, so the government for... became two, it approved the projects, our economy is 180 billion dollars, 180 billion dollars will be multiplied by the exchange rate of 4 trillion hryvnias, they invested 200 million hryvnias on these two projects, i.e. 200 million hryvnias, forgive me, 1 % of 4xtrions, it is 40 billion, that is, it is a percentage of the gross domestic product, we say 0.00.5, well why talk about it at all, first of all, money should not be spent during war on such things, because... it is not clear who you say correctly, will have fun during war, who will have raise your hand, just, as you say, spend money on some expensive champagne, or do some entertainment events there, when people die, this is the first thing, and secondly, it should be done, as many investments as possible, all kinds and different and good, but in in this situation, it is not necessary

to spend state money, but to take the first 200 or the first 500 companies, which are the largest in ukraine , to meet with each one and say: guys, what can we do for you without money, regulatory, sign some paper, allow someone to give some permission, help get some technical conditions there, or connect you to power system, and you are 500 companies, please invest 100 million each, this is raising money for each of the largest of the 500 companies, the most will invest not 100 million, but a billion, some smaller 500 companies will invest not 100 million, but 10 million. but on average it will be 100 million for every 100 million for 500 companies, we will have 50 billion investment investments with you without a single penny of state expenses, but these companies will invest because they will understand that there is attention to them, meet them, listen to them and tell them what do you think help to make your life better, there is no money, sorry, all the money goes

to the war, but we are a state, we have different permits, we have different there... police, sbu, prosecutors, how can we help you to they did not terrorize you once, listen, i want you, i always say, well, why not the president, the prime minister will gather 100, 200, 500 people in the hall and say, let's just consult, what can be done better, where do we have the most bottlenecks, why, mykola, mykola, mykola, i keep saying, i tell you the last 5 years, incompetence, complete, total incompetence. social elevators, as we were told, raised inexplicably who up, who was lowered down, but at the end of the day, what we have today is the need to do the right thing and not to do the wrong thing, but we have incompetent people, which, unfortunately, makes , do wrong things and do not do the right things for

the country, for the economy, for the state, for the gross domestic product, just for very simple little ones. ukrainians, as he once said, we once had a president like that, he always mentioned the little ukrainians, that 's what competent people, educated people, and not incompetent kulibins, should do for the little ukrainians. thank you very much, thank you very much. konstantin zhivago, investor, entrepreneur, philanthropist, businessman, was with us, thank you, mr. konstantin. i have two things left to do, first, say, repeat once again, we still need funds for drones and for... well, a station for the third regiment of special operations forces, which destroys the enemy in the area of ​​chasovoy yar, it is hot there, gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, it is in donetsk region, and if this money we receive, then we will buy uavs, and uavs will help improve the performance of combat missions and save the lives of defenders of ukraine. your donation will increase the effectiveness of actions against the enemy. target 890, hryvnias. 2/3 is already there,

please join for one third of the props. see on the map, thank you all for your attention, and i want to tell everyone that i am saying goodbye and i wish everyone victory and competence, as our guest mr. kostyantyn zhavago said just now, all the best, mykola veresen was with you, for now, congratulations, i will immediately start with the question of how to maintain the connection: ukrainian children abroad with their homeland, what is enough our government to solve this problem, what consequences will ignoring this issue have for the demographic situation in ukraine. let's look at the facts: almost a million ukrainian children currently live in the european union, but only 4,000 of them are covered by our online school.

what does this mean that more than half a million children are actually cut off from ukrainian education. this situation is a direct threat to our future. the problem is not only in quantity. the quality of the online education these children receive also raises serious questions. the programs currently in use have been created. even during the covid pandemic, some of them are even 20 years old, they absolutely do not take into account the specifics of the education of refugee children. two years ago, the family of anastasia lukashevich was forced to separate, her husband volunteered for the front, and she and her two children came to munich. the youngest son was looking for a kindergarten for a long time, but the 14-year-old daughter immediately went to a german school. in germany, sanctions for ignoring the educational process turned out to be much tougher than in poland. it will not be a question of payments, simply, if your child does not go to school, then juvenile prevention will come to you on the first flight, jugendam, and the police will come to you on the second flight to find out

why the child does not attend school, in germany they do not welcome anyone -what national ottaks, well i don't know, the creation of some enclaves, let's say, they have... in principle, the integration system works very well. together with her daughter, the mother resisted assimilation. eva studied at two schools at the same time, face-to-face in munich and online ukrainian school. it is difficult for children to combine two such different programs, because in ukraine, unfortunately, no one took care of adapting the educational process to new challenges. and this year, we have already made a willful decision that we will study the ukrainian component independently. all the books are in ukrainian, i try to follow what comes out, and so on friends bring, and relatives, i myself buy books in ukrainian, the child will take them, just

read something to himself, it's the same there, i don't know, it's bad. anastasia's story is only the tip of the iceberg. in three years, our ministry of education has not proposed a comprehensive plan on how to preserve the connection of schoolchildren with their homeland. instead of creating a specialized online platform for children abroad, they continue to use outdated methods. and in addition, in the draft budget for the 25th year, we see a reduction in education funding, and it is not easy short-sighted, it is really dangerous, dangerous for the future of our country. tetiana magdi came to poland with her 11-year-old son, and at first amir conscientiously studied only in the ukrainian online school, and the teachers decided to transfer his responsibilities to the shoulders of the mother, who worked at several jobs at the same time. then comes a big list of what needs to be done, who was supposed to do it, the parents were supposed to do it, you don't do it, the parents don't do it,

the parents themselves figure it out, but i had the feeling that you should scratch your head, come up with something. teachers had no financial incentive to engage in distance education, a separate program for refugees, and therefore the government did not provide a budget for it, so the quality of the online school was falling more and more and more and more children were leaving it, so tatiana transferred her son to the polish school, but there are new problems, it seems to me that my son was crying to the point of hysteria that his boys shot him in the toilet, because there are no video cameras, there are video cameras in the school, but they understand, they are not stupid, let's say, and knocked him to the ground and began to drag their feet along the floor do not make them drink water from the toilet. svitlana kononenko came to the czech republic from the city of rubizhne, luhansk region, together with her two teenage daughters. czechs paid social assistance only for the first three months. the woman went

to work, where she works from dawn to 10 p.m. every day without a day off. this is the only way to pay the apartment rent. the daughters went to a czech school, but they cannot get used to bullying. a woman complains that her child is being bullied at school. he says that it gives the impression that he goes to school to survive. girls are guilty only because are ukrainian girls, the only outlet for them was the rubezhan school, which they attended online, in parallel with the czech school, so the decision of the ministry of education to close it this year came as a real shock to the parents. the families managed to defend the school, so far it has not been closed, it is the last thing that connects their children and ukraine, but there is no guarantee that the rubizhan school will not be liquidated. the experience of parents shows another problem, translation. responsibility for education on parents, but to survive in a foreign country, parents often work several jobs jobs, and they cannot replace professional teachers, we need a really

systemic state. support, not isolated initiatives, although of course these initiatives are to be welcomed. of course, there are many positive examples, for example, the unbreakable ukraine initiative with the opening of evening schools in poland. but why are public organizations engaged in this, and not the state? why won't our government create a network of such schools in places where ukrainians live compactly, at least in the countries of the european union? kateryna zhuk and her daughter margarita from online school is lucky. the teachers are sensitive, they understand that the children... can't lose touch with ukraine, otherwise they won't come back here, i transferred to a school in the city of pokrovsk, they work remotely at the moment, and i'm very grateful that they said, we will help, because we understand that the children need to return to ukraine later, and this is also our contribution, such a teacher's contribution to ukrainian children, we all strive to return the children to ukraine.

kateryna's story shows that if there is a desire, it is possible to organize high-quality online education, but why it depends on the enthusiasm of individual teachers, and not from the systemic policy of the ministry of education. we are facing a real threat of losing a whole generation of ukrainians. children who do not receive quality ukrainian education lose their connection with their homeland. they are obviously integrating into the society of other countries, and the probability of their return to ukraine. is rapidly declining, and it's not just an educational problem, it's a real demographic disaster, this disaster is coming, and people are panicking because they just, they have nowhere to turn, and see, and when they see how effectively, in quotes, the government manages internally displaced persons and their fathers, what they will receive and how they will implement it. their right to

housing, their children's right to education, what is the general attitude towards them, then people are panicking, and i understand that then people will apply for any, there for refugees, will take any measures that they can , just to stay in a social state, which is not a social state on paper, but it is written in our constitution, yes, ukraine is... a social state. in addition to the fact that ukraine is a social state, i perfectly understand that ukraine is still a poor country. but for some reason , we have budget funds for a lot of articles that we could do without. but they are not directly on people who have lost everything. anastasia's words confirm my fears. people do not see the prospects of returning, because the authorities do not create

any conditions for this. promises to create a ministry of return remain just promises. you saw, i was talking about the draft budget, there is no funding for it at all. in my opinion, not at all interested in that our children returned to ukraine and to know the ukrainian language, because if the government and the ministry of education were primarily interested in the fact that the children who left the territory of ukraine and wanted them to ... continue their education, they would have made the platform free , where children would receive all the same knowledge. what can we do? it is necessary to urgently adopt the draft law on the foundations of demographic policy, i registered it with my colleagues in the summer. this law envisages a comprehensive approach to solving demographic problems. this approach has include issues of education and the return

of ukrainians abroad. we cannot afford to lose a whole generation of ukrainians, the time to act is now. if you agree that this issue needs to be addressed immediately, please share this video. subscribe to the channel to learn new investigations, stories, initiatives. after all, together we can force the authorities to return attention to the future of our children. and for more details about the problems of our refugees studying abroad, see the link. we will win together. congratulations, friends, with you vitaly portnikov and the politclub program on the espresso tv channel. today we will be with our guests, igor simiolos, director of the research center. i congratulate mr. igor, a diplomat, an expert, and a former diplomat.