here's this debate, which maybe wasn't really followed in ukraine, unlike what happened when the debate between trump and harris took place, we see that the election campaign is going in about the same way that it was conducted before that is, nothing so extraordinary happened, well, except that there trump once again distinguished himself by what harris called mentally...stable, even the republicans criticized the former or vice president of the former donald trump. well, there is also such information, if i may add, reuters reports, the republicans are preparing to challenge the results of the elections in the united states of america, in particular in those states where there are so-called swing states. and even today, by the way, the current president.

joe biden of the united states of america said that he is afraid of what will happen after the election. actually, we are talking about possible provocations, most likely from the same donald trump. here, mr. vitaly, are the debates of vice presidents, candidates for vice presidents, the general concept of how the election campaign is currently proceeding. if we talk about it, or it changes now how? here is the electoral paradigm, are we still in those 50/50 percentages, when no one knows and no one can predict who will become the next president, i think that no one knows, no one can predict who will become the next president, precisely because you don't know what the electoral college will be like, and precisely because sociology speaks of authority only there. candidate among the entire

population, in the ugly states there, in principle, sociology is still on the verge of statistical uncertainty, in some it is not, in some of them are already visible, some are in favor of hares, of course, but one way or another, this is precisely why such attention is drawn to the debates of the candidates for the position of vice president of the united states, in any other situation we would not pay attention to them at all, you once remembered do you think that you were interested in the candidates for the position? hardly, but biden was already with someone when he was obama's vice president, he had a debate with someone, we don't even remember with whom, who this person was, but she definitely was, and this was some strong republican politician, we just not for that paid no attention. now we're in a different situation where every event seems decisive, every event is not decisive, because these debates, for the vice presidential candidates, they're... interesting only

because everyone thought that vance was going to act hysterical, the way he behaves at rallies, and vance appears to have decided to use this debate to show his own political agenda in the soft face of trumpism. that is, it says that he thinks about the next presidential election, that his current presidential election don't bother much, and in any case, if donald trump even wins the presidential election, it will be his last term, unless he makes some significant changes in the field. states, he will have to give up running for president of the united states for the next term. and then the question arises, who is the heir of trumpism, because we have to understand that this is no longer republicanism, trumpism. and it is clear that in such a situation, when the question arises whether trumpism can survive without trump. and so, when a person, he looks from one side, civilized, and on the other hand professes the values ​​of trumpism. then it can be a good

option for everyone, both trumpists and anti-trumpists in the republican party of the united states, or vice versa, if trump loses the election, someone must, must, because trump is unlikely to be so strong after that, no the fact that i am already a candidate and a leader, i do not argue, i do not argue, yes. but in any case, such a situation can be absolutely real, we understand this very well, and in this regard, frankly speaking, i can't really imagine what event could significantly affect the course of the election campaign, you probably already forgot that there was an attempt on trump, remember, two, well, the first one was the most interesting, but there was a real person.

died, trump was really a millimeter away from death, and everyone believed that this definitely made his election campaign. yes, you remember how bookmakers and everyone in general. these forecasts, even by artificial intelligence, showed that trump has an 80% probability of winning, and i , you ask, said that this does not mean anything, it will be a couple of weeks and it will be forgotten, this is not an invincible moment, there will be other pictures, calm down because this is a different situation, the people who hate trump will not love him because of the fact that he was shot, the people who adore trump, they absolutely don't need an extra shot to say he's their hero. for people who support trump, his fist was a proof of strength and power. people who hate trump have once again seen a person of totalitarian and authoritarian composition, who will go to any lengths for his goal, which he has foreign, nothing has changed, but the majority

of american observers did not want to understand this, did not want to understand what kind of world they were in, and to believe that in this situation, what... could change all this so significantly, what we said, but you know, this person will win the election on november 5th, you can't, there's a month left until the end of the company, a crucial month that won't decide anything, because by and large everything we need to know, we won't know until the morning of november 6th, or later because you are right that republicans are preparing to fight to challenge the results of the election, but... there is a decision by the supreme court of the united states on donald trump that effectively rehabilitates any of his actions as president of the united states, even when it came to capitulation , and thus joseph biden, thanks to this decision of the supreme court, got the opportunity

to act decisively with any attempts to force changes in the election results and not fear any responsibility ie. of the supreme court of the united states, which is conservative the majority who decided to save donald trump from being accused of participating in an actual coup d'état in the country. it was an attempted coup. there is no need to even doubt that if mike pence had followed the path of participating in this coup and refused to implement the election results, we would not know at all what happened, what the procedure would look like, what the legitimacy would look like. it is not clear to the american authorities, but now joseph biden, when there is any attempt there to storm something, uh, you speak with some radical demands there, he can act absolutely more decisively, he can stop

these people, he can use force against them and absolutely not fear any charges because the supreme court has already ruled that the president of the united states in that position is immune in a similar situation. so these judges, they gave trump a gift along with that, but they also made it impossible for him to take any forceful action that would help him get back into the white house, and that's also an important point that says that when you make one decision, very often you have to face the consequences of it months later, which nullify its significance, because you understand that if, say, the supreme court of the united states grew up ... decided that donald trump is guilty , and that he must answer, and that he does not have immunity, now , on the one hand, there would be another process, but how many of these processes are there on trump, as we can see, his political sect absolutely does not pay attention to these processes, and on the other side joseph biden thought a hundred times,

how should he behave so that the next day after the end of the term of office of the president of the united states, he does not end up in the dock next to trump, this is such a shaky situation, and the situation is ... very unstable, but now we can confidently say that the president of the united states has opportunities to defend election results. the fact that the republicans are so prepared to defend them themselves is evidence that they basically accept their defeat. and how will it help them? will it help them, well, they appealed, if, if, the people, the voters the voters also voted, they voted for... another candidate, how can an appeal help them, don't oversimplify, there was already a situation in the state of florida, that is, the one that brought george bush jr. to the post of president, that is, it is about the fact that maybe the results will be declared invalid somewhere, yes, and it will help to simply cancel a certain

part of the votes, of course and get a completely different result of the electorate, we do not know how the situation would develop, if there was, if the votes in florida were counted. you sure george w. bush won then in the election? what is the basis for giving you signs of danger all over the world, everyone understands perfectly well that this is the choice of the future. for america, that it is a choice of the future for europe, that it is a choice of the future for ukraine, for russia, these are crucial years. in fact, this year 2024, 2028, it will show what the world will be like in the next decades of the 21st world, century, and in which century we will live, in war or in peace, because the exact awareness of challenges and dangers depends on this cadence. and of course, next month. we will follow the elections in the united states of america as much as possible, because they

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political club, live ether, and we are back with a new topic. you all know what happened this week as well, this is iran's strike with a large number of ballistic missiles up to 200 units on the territory of israel. we are also watching israel's strikes on lebanon. on the destruction of the terrorist hezbollah, in fact, in addition to this, we see that all this has and the international context, all this affects the elections in the united states of america, there is the reaction of biden, there is the reaction of other representatives, in particular of european structures, but the general context is that the escalation in the middle east and in general the situation... in the middle east now is extremely explosive, and we see israel

not retreating from its position, continuing such a limited operation in lebanon against hezbollah, and iran continuing to rattle its weapons, including now we are also watching and expecting what israel is likely to inflict in... the strike is a response on the territory of iran, and here the question arises as to what response it will be, whether it will be a limited response, or whether it will be a response against certain infrastructure facilities, in particular , nuclear facilities. the president of the united states of america, joe biden, appealed to israel to respond more gently and not to strike these nuclear facilities, which we have already mentioned. said, nevertheless, mr. vitaly, we see that iran has dared to strike, yes, after a pause that it

took for several months, at least, well that there was already a blow after the assassination of nastrala, you know, it was already a blow when, as they say, they, well, conventionally speaking, iran wanted to save their face in this way, and, to put it cynically enough, well, i don't know, what do you think , that... only the face, maybe he just always calculates that some missiles, they will reach the target, well 181 missiles - this is sorry, there is another point of view that this strike was the one that was supposed to carry out a certain demonstration, you know, it seems to me that this is a conspiracy, well, again, we are with you we live in a country that is constantly attacked by ballistic missiles, not all of them hit the target either. is this a demonstration from the russian side, or do they still want to get somewhere? well, in our case

, a large number of missiles still reach the target, this is true, because we have a different anti-aircraft system, that is, in your opinion , after all, the goal of iran was to hit some specific objects, of course, military objects israel, that they simply did not succeed, but this does not mean, first of all, that this the last blow, and it doesn't mean... that they didn't want to, because this whole idea that all these blows are given for beauty, it's a very strange idea, well, imagine it, you fools, can you imagine it? you understand that israel can hit the bunkers, you do not feel safe in principle, because you are the very leader of the state who wants to destroy israel, israel has nothing to lose with you, if you are killed, then this will be a lesson for you successor and that he should somehow be more careful with israel, because he will end up like you, it is clear that you an elderly person, you are already preparing to meet

allah, you can put everything on the line, but you know, as a rule, dictators, they want to live, not meet. damn before their real time comes, so here's the story, of course you want to show israel that you're strong, or that you should be feared, and not want to be eliminated, that you're not some kind of shit, by the way, you know that ayatollah khamenei, he convinced hassan nasrallah to leave, and nasrallah was sure that nothing like that would happen, that israel would not can destroy it, which is a violation of the rules of the game, and israel was able to. understand, what do you think israel's response will be regarding, i think that it will be something like this, complicated, it will be related to how the situation will develop now in the relationship between israel and the united states, as far as benjamin yatamyaho is ready to confrontation with joseph

biden on the eve of the us presidential election, because this question is not about biden, the question is about garis and... he still understands that it is not necessarily only trump who can win, it would certainly be more comfortable for him to win trump, but he sees reality as we all see it, i ask another question here, actually the context of what is happening in the middle east, it is important for the united states of america and for the elections in the united states. what is happening now is conditionally in a triangle. iran, israel and lebanon. who benefits more? trump? is it harry? well, rather to trump. it's hard to say, you understand, on the one hand, it benefits trump, who blames democracy, they are determined. on the other hand, the democratic electorate, there are a lot of people,

who believe that israel is using excessive force and they may believe that if they vote. for the democrats, the united states will continue this policy, and if trump becomes president, well, israel will generally feel much more confident in the middle east, that is, both parties are playing their electorate, on the other hand, biden and harris, they support israel in the destruction shit, and thus do not forget about that electorate that sympathizes with israel in their own party, they just have to. well, how to say it, to maneuver, trump does not need to maneuver, and his supporters say that biden wants to contain israel, and israel is actually on the verge of a new holocaust, and there are other people who believe that israel is destroying the palestinians itself and the lebanese and acts completely

disproportionately when, trying to destroy terrorists, he lowers the civilian population in both gaza and lebanon, one might think so. you see, that is, it is unknown how much it increases the trump electorate, it simply convinces the trump electorate that the position is correct trump well, conditionally, trump's position, as well as on ukraine, is that look, the third world war is starting, or look, because i am not the president, there are wars in the world, this is his main message and his main concept , maybe not even about that. who does he support, and maybe even about what, look, only i will become the president, all wars will end, in ukraine will end, israel will end, lebanon will be at peace, and there are completely different approaches, in ukraine it will end, because he come to an agreement with putin, israel will end, then you are in the middle east, because he will not, will not stop netanyahu, and then

israel will achieve final victory, and again in both of these cases, i don't really understand. where does this approach come from, well, you understand, in both cases, there will be a war in the middle east tomorrow, the day after tomorrow will be a year, remember on november 7, october 7, 20023, which of the experts who dealt with the middle east said that it will last a year when somebody said, well i remember what i said that it can continue for several months, because there is no political solution, everyone looked at me... very skeptical, what a few months, and they will just agree at some point about the hostages, about all this, the situation right there, you understand how similar the situation is in the middle east and the situation in ukraine. with the fact that there is no political solution here, but realistically speaking, we talk a lot about israel and its reaction there, but there is hamas, which has

its own base, and there are supporters of hamas all over europe and america, who what they say: palestine from the river to the sea, palestine from the river to the sea, this is palestine there from the jordan to the mediterranean sea, this slogan does not imply the existence of a jewish one. state, that is , many can say that the solution to the situation is actually two states on the territory of the former mandated palestine, but the palestinian arabs themselves do not seek this, if they did, they would not vote for hamas, if they aspired to it, they would most likely have given their votes there to fatah, and now it was possible that this second state was... we we talk a lot about the mood that existed in the palestinian environment after the signing of the vosla agreements and after arafat returned to romela as the head of this palestinian autonomy, claiming

that he would become the head of the palestinian state, and in fact his return was related to the first palestinian intifada, but what did arafat meet in ramallah, a person who had not been in the palestinian environment for a very long time, who headed an emigrant organization. he saw a radicalized society, he saw a society that in basically told him that i'm sorry, but we absolutely do not want to negotiate with israel, your task is to force israel to make new and new concessions, and these concessions should weaken it so that we can destroy it, and arafat, of course, as a person, who wanted to gain power became radicalized along with this society that they now lead, because it's one thing when you run an expatriate organization where you can make different decisions. and it is another matter when you are forced to reckon with the mood of society, which says: let's go let's destroy them all, let's, here and here for

example, yesterday i was at the lviv book forum, there was a discussion that was related to uh, how the war in israel is reflected in the war in ukraine, after this discussion some person... who was there, uh, spread out a book, well, with the palestinian flag, and this issue is not about the flag, i think that people who are supporters of palestinian statehood there, they have the right to express their views in civilized forms, but this book was called the return to haifa, to haifa, not to ramallah, not to hebron with bethlehem, to haifa, and i immediately remembered my fellow student at the faculty of journalism. gas sector, who told me, i want to live in tel aviv, in which there will not be a single jew, ugh, and this was a person not an islamist radical, this was a person who was a member of the palestinian komsamol,

a completely secular person, and from my point of view this man should not have paid attention to the nationality of those with whom he wanted to live, he should have been, he would have liked to live with the working class, it is true, but he had no idea of ​​the working class, he had the idea that there was the palestinian working class, and the jewish working class has nowhere to go, so there are no political ... solutions, because israel has always had the idea that if it reaches an agreement with the arab world, then it guarantees israel a peaceful existence. now the question is the following: the arab world has basically reached an understanding, practically all arab countries are calm about the existence of israel, when hassan nasrallah was killed. i read in the lebanese media interviews with lebanese shiites in different countries of the world and here is a lebanese woman who lives in new york, she

says: i went to a restaurant, we all cried there, our beloved shit died, we were all worried, people came to this restaurant, in new york, in riyadh, he said, we have to make everything look beautiful here, we have to... rejoice, if we only show our grief, we will simply be kicked out of saudi arabia as facilitators of terrorism, and so in many arab countries it turns out that supporters of radicalism, anti-semitism, the destruction of the jewish people, can feel great in the united states of america, or in france, in a democratic in the world, and in saudi arabia or in other countries they simply deport them, or they will go to prisons as terrorists, also because saudi arabia considers its own shiite we'. a danger to their own statehood, here is the answer to your question, it means that everything is solved according to the arabs, but there is an unresolved palestinian

problem which... who does not understand how to solve it, because if they want to destroy you, if the population which lives in this territory wants to live in yours, how do you solve this problem, it is like between russians and ukrainians, if the russians believe that ukraine is russia, you can even beat the wall with your head, you will not convince them, well, there is no political solution, it does not exist, it does not exist, it is the same here, so if these people have support in iran, then for today the key is iran, let's imagine. the islamist regime in iran, this islamic steocracy is being destroyed, that a democratic state is emerging there, this state will not support israel in the palestinian issue, it will demand the creation of a palestinian state, but it will not give money to radical palestinian groups, and it will not try to destroy lebanese statehood, as iran is doing now, because in fact we understand that lebanon is a state that does not function precisely because of the efforts of iraq. and his these proxy forces

on the territory of lebanon, we simply have to explain to the audience that lebanon is a multi-national state, it has many christians, and sunnis, friends, and in fact these people are completely hostages of the shiite community, which is not the majority, which is 25 -30% of the population, and these people do not let him elect the president, no let a government be formed, they don't call for bombs, rockets on... their heads, they are at war with israel, their army is larger than the army of lebanon, which is not at war with israel, this is the reality, so of course if you get rid of these people's money, and not just walkie-talkies and pagers, you basically create a certain basis for the absence of armed, financed radicalism, but

you still do not solve the problem. you need several generations of palestinian arabs to grow up to say, we're not we achieve this by force, we have to accept the fact that the jewish state will exist, we need to somehow create a state where we still are with the capital there in ramallah or there in gaza, and develop this state. we don't like that jews live in tel aviv, haifa, they don't like jerusalem, but we can't do anything about it, and we have to... and we don't have the money to get all this, and it's a matter of 25, 30, 40 years after the disappearance of the funding source. the same applies to the russian-ukrainian war. we need generations to emerge, not people who will say: "oh, you know, we understood that ukraine is not russia." such people will not appear. but it is necessary that some generations of people appear who will say: "we cannot conquer this territory." yes, this is historical russia. yes, kyiv, kharkiv, odesa. and even

lviv, come on, these are russian cities, so there live russians who don’t even understand that they are russians, yes, instead of speaking the beautiful, pure russian language of pushkin and putin, these people speak the slang of their peasant poets, terribly, but we can't nothing to do, because if we try to restore historical justice, and they are in nato, there will be a third world war, and moscow will remain dependent on the same as it was. er, a rocket test from an armata, well, it’s unpleasant, and so we will live next to them, they will think that maybe someday the situation will change and they will kill us after all, and we will know that they do not have such opportunities, that's all, this is the real way out for ukrainians and jews in the 21st century, i don't know what will happen in the 22nd, i can't predict for so long, but by the 21st century to these two peoples...